I regret to say that I've seen some ratty old drapes that look like they've been wiped too many times.
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As the news reports and undercover (60 Minutes, etc.) exposes have shown, you can safely wipe your dick on the bedspread where it will blend in with numerous other stains from body fluids.
A gentleman wipes his dick on the back of the drapes, never the front.
Obviously not that popular if a majority of the girls I've seen so far is all like, "Ooh, what's that?" or "OMG, I've literally never seen it done this way before, like who would've thought, right." Sometimes they're even like, "Where's the donation?" And all along the donation was sitting there on the nightstand waiting for her and she ain't even see it, and then it's up to me to point her in the right direction, which defeats the purpose of concealing it in a envelope in the first place. Plus it makes it awkward because we're not supposed to talk about the money. There was even this one time, when her friend was tampering with the things I'd brought for the encounter, including the donation envelope, and if I wasn't watching her, I suspect that she might have stolen the donation that was meant for the girl I'd intended to see. And the thing of it is that that girl didn't even see the envelope, and didn't ask for the donation until we were already in bed. These experiences have made me realize that perhaps it's best to hold on to the envelope and give it to the girl in person, especially if there are more than one of them. So now I'm like, what's the point of putting out the extra effort when I can save that envelope for something else and fork out the dough from out of my wallet like an amateur? Do these girls even know why an envelope is often used in these kinds of transactions? I think it's worth noting that these are bp girls, which leaves me to wonder if the envelope is unique to upscale girls, or even midscale girls, but not downscale girls.
It is important that she see it being placed.
...envelopes. If it's going to be a deal breaker, I move on to someone else who doesn't have a stick up their ass about an envelope.
In the past, I have occasionally used an envelope. I get a lot of requests for donations from charities, so I used the return envelope. It's sealed and has pre-paid postage. Cops can't open the envelope - they don't know if it's mine or hers, or even what's in it. They wouldn't have a warrant to open the envelope and there wouldn't be exigent circumstances to open the envelope without a warrant. Of course, if we're arrested, they can seize the envelope and get a warrant to open it. But how can they prove I wasn't sending an anonymous cash donation to the American Cancer Society?
Besides, one of the greedy, crooked cops will probably pocket the dough anyway, so there goes the evidence!
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> Cops can't open the envelope
Assuming they're following the rules (they don't). Assuming the cop isn't just going to lie (they will). Assuming the judge gives a fuck (they don't).
Fact is, your envelope stunt does fuck all; If you're in the room with a cop you're already fucked.
> how can they prove...
They prove it contextually with the situation they found you in. Banging some girl who's name you don't know with a stack of cash on the bathroom counter.
He cheated a few ladies in Phoenix and Las Vegas. Those ladies now will not accept the donation in an envelope. They ask that it be placed in a specific place, loose.
"Loose?" The money or the provider?
Oh come on CDL! This is too easy.
As long as the money is loose, so is the provider.
Sometimes the money is loose but the provider is tight, at least in my experience.
who didn't expect the donation to be discreetly placed in an envelope, but I hear a lot of the lower end BP and CL girls want you to count it out into their hand when you get there. Now THAT'S romantic!!! Lol
I've counted money off to higher end providers. How is it less "romantic?" There is nothing "romantic" about buying a hooker! I don't feel more "romantic" if I put the money in an envelope. lol
count the money into her hand like at a supermarket checkout just seems crass and not very classy to me. I had one girl that was working at a hotel incall that wanted the donation slipped into a birthday card. I asked her why when I got there and she said it was in case LE came calling. She would say she had a few friends over and got a bunch of cash as gifts.
I believe the whole envelope thing started because some girls thought that if they never touched the envelope that they could not be arrested. That is not true but some girls thought it was true.
I don't see it as not "classy" if you peel off some C notes and put it in her hands. Hell, some agencies take credit cards. It makes no difference to me since the girl is still bought and paid for regardless of how you pay.
This whole envelope bullshit has twin roots, the first is that it makes a hooker feel less like a hooker and a john feel less like a john. This is the same fucking PC mentality that spawned terms like "hobbyist", "provider" and "the hobby" for those people who are secretly (or not so secretly) ashamed of buying or selling pussy.
The other root comes from some misguided and totally debunked belief that somehow putting a hookers fee in an envelope will protect either party from arrest and conviction when the exact opposite is true. Has anyone EVER convinced a cop or a judge that an envelope full of cash that happens to have the exact amount of cash that matches her internet ad is only a "gift" just because that's what's written on the envelope? Just how stupid are you people?
What I find even more ironic is how attitudes on this have finally changed, we have been having this conversation here for well over a decade and if you go back ten years or so and do a message search on the subject where the hookers and BSU's were up in arms over how "disrespectful" and crass I was because I refused to be browbeaten into using the stupid envelope. I am sure the whole thing started because some idiot hooker, maybe SashaBenjamin's older sister, got it in her head that an envelope was both "classy" and protected herself from LE and then browbeat all of the BSU's until an envelope was synonymous with "class" while any other way of payment was/is considered rude and disrespectful.
I don't feel the need to be starting threads about just how fucking stupid johns can be like MiddleAgedCeo does on such a constant and annoying basis, but it's true, some of you johns are incredibly fucking stupid and easily browbeaten by women, some of whom are equally as dumb.
Your right to object if you want of course. But if the additional cost to me to eat a hot woman's pussy for 30 minutes is to put the money in a 3 cent envelope it seems worth it to me. (Of course no rational person thinks that's a get out of jail free card) And if calling her a provider or escort instead of a hooker smooths the way for me to watch her tap her girlfriend with a strapon I can live with that. No skin off my nose.
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My opinion about the outrage that NOT using is used to provoke is quite another.
To hear the BSC hookers and BSU johns tell it, not using an envelope makes one, dangerous, low class, a misogynist, rude and disrespectful.
I am sorry, I have to revert back to one of "rules to monger by" that goes like this. "I will beg for pussy, I will pay for pussy, but I will not beg to pay for pussy" Words to live by.
I agree that if I hear myself speaking or see myself typing words that seem like some peasant come to court to seek royal favors I stop and ask myself what the fuck am I doing. In that vein when I see a lady's ad is replete with "NOs" and "DON'Ts" or a lot of pompous nonsense that suggests a princess I go elsewhere. Really--a list of expensive gifts I can buy her in addition to the benjamins I'm shelling out? Come on.
If you had a whole group of low self esteem types willing to buy you expensive gifts by simply putting up a single page on the internet, you wouldn't do it?
The only reason those "Pamper Me" pages are on those sites is exactly because manginas will gladly shell out the coin to be her "favorite john."
Let's point the finger where it belongs on this issue and that should be aimed directly at the demand side of p4p for going down that absurd road.
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And you're right. If a guy lets a provider separate him from extra cash and gifts for the same lay he would've gotten for the donation then he deserves no sympathy. My point remains that for me those pages are at best a joke and at worst a "stay away" sign.
But I have never seen a correlation between a girl having a gift page and thus making me being incompatible to see her.
Remember a lot of girls get into the biz and they copy cat from successful girls. Them seeing a well reviewed, highly paid girl with a gifts page will make them want to have one too. They think it is needed to be "elite."
I am much more concerned with attitude, than any single thing they might have on their website. And while an attitude can certainly come across on her site, and possibly her reviews, it will almost invariably come out through a pm exchange with one or more of her reviewers.
If you take off your list every girl who has a "Buy Me Shit" page, you will miss out on some incredible women so I don't put any stock into it at all.
Although I am not a big fan of "buy me shit" with ridiculously expense items on it, I really don't look long enough (if at all) at her wish list to really notice, and like Jack I don't cross a girl off my list simply because she has a list for the BSU's who think they are "romancing" the girls here.
"Buy me shit" lists are kind of a non issue for me, unless she is constantly referring to it, then it would become a turnoff.
Wish lists are too easy to miss, so I like the direct approach. I keep a tip jar on the nightstand right between the big clock and roll of paper towels. Before the appointment, I’ll toss in a few Krugerrands so you cheap fucks know to be generous to a classy lady.
You don't want to seed your tip jar with singles, now do you? lol
and what's up with the fucking paper towels? I thought you were a classy hooker, I would have expected for you to at least have "wet wipes" for me to wipe my dick off with. Given the choice between wiping my dick with a paper towel or your drapes, I am liable to pick the drapes. lol
A gentleman wipes his dick on the back of the drapes, never the front.
ALWAYS wipe my dick on the front of the drapes. lol
I regret to say that I've seen some ratty old drapes that look like they've been wiped too many times.
.
As the news reports and undercover (60 Minutes, etc.) exposes have shown, you can safely wipe your dick on the bedspread where it will blend in with numerous other stains from body fluids.
A gentleman wipes his dick on the back of the drapes, never the front.
I should've said " those words simply disappear from my sight".
Is exactly what I would tell her before I keep it moving.
She has been here all of 2-3 weeks so I am sure she knows what all the different subsets of hookers do regarding the envelopes. Ha!
It's easier for me to hand her the Cash.
Seeing someone for the first time, yeah, especially if it's in their deal to have it there in plain site or in the shitter, whatever. But after seeing some ladies a number of times, they know I wouldn't stiff them, lol, and got it after the deal. Sometimes I even paid in advance. Yeah, I know, but I was lucky AND was 'rewarded' for it, if you know what I mean...
Just depends on whom you're tight with is the way I see it....
A general birthday or holiday card (if a holiday is near) oe greeting card and put donation in there.
Place it when and where she sees me place it.
Never once have they said. "Ohhh, what's that?"
Who are you hanging out with?
separate the "PROS" from the "GIRLS."
A "pro" will DEMAND that any "donation" be placed DISCREETLY inside an envelope in a NOTICEBLE area, with no need to CONVERSE about it.
A "girl" will just come out and say, "yo BITCH, u gots my MONEY? S'up?!"
Hence, that is how we separate the WHEAT from the CHAFF, the WOMEN from the GIRLS. 
so you say that your date's friend was there and was tampering with your personal items and handling the envelope? That didn't raise about a thousand red flags to you?
I honestly can't remember if I paid with cash in the 90's or not, but since the internet, I know I've used an envelope. When I was getting girls from agencies thru the yellow pages back then, I think I just left cash on the end table. Even if I leave it in an envelope, I just make a non verbal gesture and when she sees me lay it down, I don't even think of it again. Gamblers point of view on this really made me laugh.
I require the envelope as of means for a proper introduction and doesn't create awkwardness before the date. Now I have had gentlemen place my gifts in gift cards and some that may forget. Overall, as long as it is placed on my counter where I can see it and it is not acknowledge is cool with me.
I admit I say in my website put money in envelope. But I take it as cash in my hand, my dresser or on the bed. Tuck into my thong like stripper if you want.
Can one single guy even tell an honest story of one single girl that turn him away and say get out, because it was not in an envelope? So many providers feel so special. It amaze me. Its one thing to say thats what I want, its another to try to tell everyone thats the only way I do it. They fuck for money, just like me. I am sure they have never sent guy out the door who had cash lay it on table.
I think some people just full of crap. Look at all girls who take Paypal, or visa or any other payment not cash. How do you put Paypal in an envelope?
The envelope is very much common place in the "luxury" escorting industry. You're meeting girls that are unfamiliar with that practice because they advertise on Backpage. For me personally, I really don't care either way. I do ask that the donation be placed in an unsealed envelope on my website. But if a gentleman forgets the envelope, its not of any real concern. As long as the donation is promptly and willingly provided without my asking or having to search for it I'll be a happy girl 
I put stuff in envelopes for convenience (so I know it's there and the envelope keeps it there) and privacy -- I don't have a wad of cash in hand walking through the hotel lobby.
Of course I could have just left it in my wallet, but as I say, it just fits my style better to have it pre-counted and ready to go. Walk in, lay it down -- simple, fast.
I don't really care if other guys use an envelope, but I simply put the amount of the donation in one pocket and the rest of my money in the other. I know I drink a lot, but even I can remember which pocket has which money for the short time it takes to walk to her door.
Let me ask you, would you REALLY be walking with a "wad of cash in hand" through the hotel lobby if you ever forget to grab an envelope??? lmao
It's convenient (money's already counted and it's easy to carry)--and it sets a positive tone for the date. (I'm thanking her for setting aside the time for me--a small gesture but it's always appreciated.)
It's a business---but a little human touch never hurts!!
That's one of the myths bestowed upon us by different moderators of different groups. Though it is nice. xo
I received my rate in the middle of the books before.. love it!
I find it easier to organize my money that way. I am gonna business that does cash purchases and almost all way have business cash on me, plus I prefer to do most of my minor purchases in cash. I keep cash for separate things in separate marked envelopes with receipts for my expenditure. I just find envelopes covenant in and out of the hobby to organize cash. I have done so since I was a kid.
Common sense that the donation would be in the envelope lol otherwise it defeats the entire purpose of "discretion"
I always use an envelope that I can carry discreetly in a hotel lobby ...