This question is for the high rollers but almost anybody can put their 2 cents in.
On average I have good to great experiences with providers but I have never really splurged meaning that I haven't spent a great amount of $. I'm assuming that if I were to spend more than I would have a muc hmore awesome experience. Is this true or is it a misconception?

How are you splurging? Are you spending $1k per hour on a 10/10 girl instead of $400? I don't know that translates into a significantly better experience. However, if you're paying that for a double or a longer date with your favorite girl, then I can almost guarantee you that it'll be worth it

a certain very low price point....

for example, in my market you are generally not going to get a quality experience at 200/hr  

however,  you can find an 8.5 average performance at a 260-300/hr price point

and the average performance at the 325-400hr or more price point is actually less based on a review search than in the 260 - 300hr level

so no - in my opinion you will not get a higher performance experience *by paying more money* in and of itself -

instead I advocate searching reviews - without respect to donation amount - to find providers whose approach and performance will please you -

you may wind up spending more than average - or less than average -

it's not a matter of the dollar amount....

I understand what you're saying, but at the same time I'm wondering why the market can't determine if a provider's rate is too high for the quality she delivers. If she's not getting enough customers, wouldn't she consider lowering her rate? If she's too busy, wouldn't she consider raising it

I am sure that what you describe does in fact happen -   every provider is making choices about her rates and her desired volume of business and often changing them depending on both market and personal conditions -

and many actors in this marketplace - consumers - are operating without the transparency / free flow of information required to make informed choices

plus this is a very emotion driven market as well.....

but it still leaves us with the phenomenon I describe -

in may ways this is not unlike the larger marketplace - many strong values in the general economy are to be found at the mid and upper mid range price points....    quality is often less at the lower range and many find that the upper range does not bring proportional advantages or does not do so in many cases....

And if you want longer time or special fantasy scenarios played out, it'll probably require you to give more

Not someone who just says it - someone who really (mostly) means it.  In these cases, at least for me, cost has not mattered one bit.  Otherwise, at least in my experience, the better the actress the higher the cost.  

My experience exactly.  For 300/hour, I can find anything and everything I want.  Why pay more?  Only if you want to see a real porn star, or a real-life Penthouse Playmate.  And the Playmate may not even be a good fuck.

Stay away from the $200/hr girls.  Too many flakes, "problem child", and "walking disaster area" girls around that rate.

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examples to ponder:

at an agency there are a few providers whose rate is substantially less than the other girls.   These have performance numbers among the highest at the agency, higher and more consistent than several of the other girls who are higher priced.  These two are priced lower in order to draw business - they get less bookings.....    even though their performance numbers are great.  They have pretty faces and slender bodies.  They are also small breasted.  Apparently some guys would rather book with a gal with larger breasts whose performance is less on average or inconsistent.....

In my market,  and I think this is true in a lot of areas,  Ebonies on average seem to need to charge lower rates to sustain a business volume.  This includes a number of ladies who are beautiful and have very high and very consistent performance averages....

In my market.  Asians and Latinas charge less than the premium rates as well.  For the same reasons as above as far as I can tell.  And yet,  as a group,  Asians have the highest performance ratings in this market and among Latinas are many beauties with very high performance....  and Asians as a group also have the highest appearance score averages in this market as well....

Now yes there are outliers in each of these groups -   Ebonies Latinas and Asians who command higher rates.   I am speaking of averages and means.  

I also note that in many cases ladies rated as "thin" or "skinny" tend on average to have a higher performance vis a vis price average in my market area as apparently a desire for a more typical American body style is in play....

So I conclude that this is not a rational marketplace from the consumption side if by "rational" you would mean that choices were based on highest established track record for performance (and to a great degree, appearance....) for the investment.  

What appears to be in operation on the consumption side is preferences that are not based on evidence with respect to a desire for Caucasian women, women who do not rate "thin" or "skinny" and women with larger breasts.....  because it is here that the prices are higher on average (even though performance score averages and to a degree appearance averages do not always bear this out....)

This trend has influenced the way that for example Asian providers especially k-girls are marketing themselves.   They are going for larger implants these days (a trend that I personally decry) and for Caucasian grooming styles (bare as opposed to the Asian style of trim and groom - a trend that I also decry.....) in order to increase their business.  K-girls are also going for more Caucasian hair styles and colors as well...  

Now I personally benefit from all of this because

given a choice I prefer smaller natural breasts to well above average sizes and thinner ladies
who also do not seem to be preferred over the American average body shape

I very much like Asians Latinas and Ebonies  

therefor I am able to happily hobby at an average cost below the average rate and enjoy a very high average performance......

that charges $$$$. She doesnt have one bad review out of almost 50. Another charges $$$ but while she is hot and sweet, her performance and "dedication" leaves something to be desired. To me, in this case, the higher amount the first lady charges is worth it. Now if she raised it to $$$$$ I'd be done with her but...

I do not care for the Top 10 types or real pornstars so I'd NEVER pay $700+ per hour rates that these ladies charge.

... there is a point of diminishing returns, as regardless of the cost Katherine Hepburn ain't walking through that door.

Or a fabulous actress that makes you think she does. Either way, if you are happy that is all that matters

I believe the key ingredient to a great experience is chemistry.  You can have great chemistry with a provider at any rate and paying more doesn't automatically mean you two will click.  

Also, everyone has different taste.  I may be "the most beautiful woman in the world" to some and "old and ugly" to someone else and my rates won't change that.  Some men like spinners, some curvy, some bbw, etc.  Some like 'em young and others mature.... you get the gist.

But, if you find a provider that you have chemistry with and she is exactly what you are looking for physically, then you need to look at what she can offer you.   This is where the rates could possibly change the out come.  

DISCLAIMER: The following is just my personal opinion based on my own experience.  

For me to mentally prepare for our time together, I spend days preparing.  I put all of myself into each date, and I call them "dates" because that's how I see them.  I am not focused on the money, who's next, or who was before you; I am only focused on you and our time together.  I am excited to see you and happy to be there.  Now, if my rates were significantly lower, I wouldn't be excited, happy, I wouldn't waste too much of my time preparing, and I wouldn't give a damn about you*.  I would take your money, get it over with, and move on quickly to the next appointment because I have bills to pay and mouths to feed.  That is why I would quit this life and do something else before I would lower my rates.  I value my time and I value our time together and I wouldn't want to do this if I couldn't do it right.  I take pride in my service.  I love what I do.  And I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy every moment.  

Think of your current profession, if your boss came in and cut your pay and you had to start working overtime to make extra pay; would you be performing at your best or would your moral and quality of work suffer?  

* When I say "I wouldn't give a damn about you" I simply mean, I wouldn't get too emotionally invested in our time.  I'm sure I would care about you as I would any human being, but I wouldn't let you in my soul, because I wouldn't be able to be so open to so many

when I particularly "click" with a woman. That is a matter of human chemistry, attraction and chance - shared humor, common interests, the same things that attract IRL. Sometimes that is a one-time thing, other times it holds.

I believe that rates do reflect enjoyment to some extent when the chemistry is not so potent. I can find a very good experience anywhere between $$ and $$$, with the reliability of that good experience going up with the rates. Above $$$ or $$$$, I see little or no difference.  

Actually, I tend to prefer longer dates and look for women who enjoy the same and offer extended "packages" or clock-free evening or afternoon dates.

Everyone will have their own experiences, preferences and style.

Women with larger breasts are more in demand than women with smaller breasts, assuming the rest of the figure is similar. Apparently the larger breasts are enough of a draw to override lower performance scores, or the guys aren't comparing the scores.

There's also less demand for certain minority providers than there is for caucasian.  

I don't know about you, but I look at the provider's photos first, and if I like what I see, then I look at her profile, and then her reviews.  

Since we're using anecdotal examples, the provider I've seen the most is the only one I've scored 10/10. She's gorgeous, with a killer body, and fantastic performer. A bit over a year ago she was priced about the same as other providers in her city. She raised her prices $25 at a time over the course of many months, each time watching to see how it affected her bookings. She's now about 40% higher than most providers in her market. There's apparently enough demand for her at those prices, as she's as busy as she wants to be.

There's an agency provider in a city 600 miles from me. Her reviews are solid 10/10's. I've looked at the other reviews of the guys who've given her those 10's, and the guys don't give out 10's often. Her reviews and her photos are incredible, yet she's priced the same as the other girls at the agency. I want to see her soon, as she's new to the agency, but I can easily see her going independent and raising rates. If the agency doesn't raise her rate (I think they're still doing a promo rate on her) or if she doesn't go independent and raise rates, I'd be amazed.

I frequently see beautiful and well-reviewed providers who are in their mid to late 30's, and whose rates are much higher than their competitors in their markets. I conclude from this that their looks and performance still make them in demand, but they don't want to book as much, and so reduce the "supply" of themselves by pricing themselves out of reach of many hobbyists.

Some guys just want to bust a nut with something other than their hand. Those guys probably don't see any value in spending more than a couple of 20s.  

Some value solely physical attractiveness. Some place value on pure performance/skills/"menu" regardless of looks. $200 will easily get you one of those qualities.  

There are others who expect a standard of physical attractiveness AND performance, but aren't concerned with exclusivity, personality, intelligence, ability to communicate, or special touches in terms of ambience. You'll get the sexual fulfillment as well as eye candy (minus any additional accoutrements) from most reputable agencies at $300-$350/hr.  

Once you start breaking into the $400-$700/hr range, you'll mostly be dealing with independent ladies who invest much more time, money and dedication into their business. These ladies are likely lower volume (though there's no way to know for sure), and typically put more of a personal touch into each date.

More than $800/hr or so typically goes with super high rankings, or possibly porn stars. Typically this range means you're dealing with more of a "big name" gal.  

Obviously I'm making some sweeping generalizations here, but you get the idea. It all really depends on the value that you place on certain things. Some guys see no value in things like atmosphere or ability to engage intellectually, so for those guys there's no reason to spend more. On the other hand, there are guys who strongly value an overall "experience," so for them $700/hr can easily be justified. It's all about what you put stock in.

1) BP is the most efficient if not downright brutal market. The guys are very sensitive to small changes in price...

2) The middle market is slightly overpriced but stable in the 300-500 dollar range: 300 in the sticks and 500 in the big cities. Within a given market the really hot girls can charge 100 more but anymore and the guys get price sensitive...  

3) The HDH (high dollar hooker) market is just tardedly priced. They are selling something (I don't know what it is and don't want to pay that much for it anyway) but it isn't what the top two markets are selling. These dudes are buying what dudes buy when they buy a Lambo or Bugatti and I have no idea what that is other than it ain't a car...

Just Kidding!!!!!!!!!

larger markets where people consider features for cost on a basis where most everyone would make similar rational decisions -

rather it's a market driven by the preferences of an apparent majority of consumers - but not a very heavy majority considering that women who do not fit the paradigm are emerging into the market and prospering all the time with a very enthusiastic following....

hey - I'm not complaining - the women who are of a type that I personally prefer are available at bringing high performance at a lower than average cost to the market -  that makes me a "happy hobbyists" :p

I would have to imagine chemistry is part of what goes into whether a provider enjoys what she's doing, at least to some extent.  And fees don't matter as much to me if that chemistry is there, at least to where I can feel with some certainty that you are happy to see more than just another envelope walk in.  

And I think chemistry in short bursts is about as much as humans can hope for from anyone; provider, spouse, SO, or bartender - spend enough time with anyone and there is going to be friction, so I don't think hoping for a couple of hours of chemistry, if that's what someone is into, is delusional - well, not irreparably delusional

And I suppose that what enters into your chemical needs is the need to not have to worry about paying bills or feeding mouths so you need your dates to meet your needs at least to that extent if you are inclined to let them 'into your soul'    

But where I take a differing view is when you talk about a boss lowering my pay and expecting more work, and how would it make me feel.  I can say it is hard to imagine I would feel all warm and fuzzy about my boss - that is unless the company was in trouble and this was the only way I could stay employed.  But where I depart from what you are saying, if I am understanding you right, is in two ares: 1. if your rates are lowered, no boss is making you do that, this would be your choice, so there should be no reason to feel that resentment (for lack of a better word), and 2. if a boss put me in the position described above I would still do all I could to serve my client to the very best of my abilities, and while I might look for another job and not feel warm and fuzzy about my boss, the client would still get the same level of service from me as if I was being compensated at my original rate.  

 

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It's a man's wildest fantasies come true.  I got to meet some well known celebs in the industry and it's a blast sleeping with them.  

But I have to admit, my best experiences in terms of performance were with girls who are not "brand name". Now many of these girls did raise their rates to the 400/500 mark so it seems the good ones do eventually raise rates above the 300 zone.  

You only want to go ultra high end if you really want a fantasy to come true. It's not mainly about performance in that market.  It's mainly all about banging that hot popular girl.  

You can always stick to k girls if you want most bang for your buck.
K girls seem to charge less than 3 while delivering a good performance.  

My most expensive was 3k for the session UTR penthouse model.  She was no different from a no name girl in terms of performance  but fucking her was still awesome. She was just as hot as her photos.  

I've met a hand full of porn stars in 1700 range,  again mostly fantasy not necessarily performance.  

A larger portion of brand name girls are in the 500 hr range, strikes a balance of both stellar performance,,established,  well reviewed.  

There are also new girls starting out, who charge much less. I have seen plenty who charge 260/hr to 400  just starting out in the biz.  

Price is usually determined by a girls experience & name recognition...  Sometimes they overcharge sometimes they under charge but over time they find a right price point that works for their reputation

ha, very good.  Me neither - I took the name because of the diet doctor who was killed by a lady he'd done wrong.  Keeps me grounded!

rather than spending more for the same amount of time.

I've only twice spent over $500/hr. that many consider the dividing line between the rarified provider and the run-of-the-mill provider.

In one case, it was definitely not worth it, in the other, she was definitely worth it, though my piggy bank just does not allow me to indulge.

As commodities go, the hobby is probably the murkiest in terms of relating cost to quality.  With some products, determining the latter is not that difficult, but given the range of tastes and expectations, it is very hard to quantify.

so if the lady has the appearance and the service quality, I do agree that there a premium for a true "courtesan experience" is warranted -    

for those who are seeking this....

my very few favorite indie ladies have provided the full "courtesan" experience complete with a lovely incall,  wonderful hospitality,  charm and an entertaining manner.....

however I would note that I often encounter these qualities where they would not be expected -  with the exception of a nicely appointed incall -  when dealing with providers at a lower price point who do not feature a 'courtesan' quality experience....

I have come to prefer not to emphasize the element of "connection" in terms of my pursuit -  if often happens and I do enjoy it but I find this quality so often honestly that I personally no longer seek an encounter that is predicated upon it....    I aim for appearance that pleases me and performance likewise and find moments of pleasurable connection frequently in this context.....

I know at least two (for sure) providers who clearly love what they do. I can be sure of that because I've known them for a long time and our relationship extends beyond client/provider. I think a couple of other providers I know love their work, but I don't know them well enough to say for sure.  

And I know several providers who are excellent actors.  I'm amazed at their ability to deliver such performances day in and day out. And I appreciate their professionalism and effort.  

But I prefer to patronize the ladies who truly enjoy what they do.  And related to the OP, these two ladies are on the lower end of the rate scale.

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A lot is said about it being a provider's 'job' to, well, to provide - and of course that's true, but one gal I know told me very matter-of-factly 'I think sex is a good thing, not a bad thing.  And I really like it'   Funny how simple truths can make a complicated world much better.  And she was neither high priced nor high volume.  She had a good job.  As others have said elsewhere, that's a healthy mix - and I would agree

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left out one key part to the rate/value debate.  

Location matters.  Rates are going to be higher in NYC, LV, and other "major" cities than are the rates in midwestern cities likeCincinnati, St. Louis, Louisville, etc.

At $400/hr, I'm pretty much at the max for the Cincinnati market. In NYC, that would be considered fairly low.

It's really interesting to see the break down as a market here, very interesting facts/informations/trends here.
Thankyou all for such thought provoking discourse.

The emotional/irrational aspects of the higher/mid market discussion... very, very interesting stuff here.
Too bad that it isn't decriminalized, so actual reports/studies with market statistics with cold hard numbers couldn't be produced. The trends of consumers (clients) and how/why they use their dollar power could be vital information for a business person in this market. I am loving just reading these dissections.

And yes, paying an exorbitant rate for a provider who has lower performance averages just makes no sense to me (putting myself in a client/consumers shoes, here) but then again, some things in Hobby-world make no sense, anyways! LOL
  Indeed Mr. Ketterman, indeed! As one of the non-paradigm following ladies, I have yet to raise my tares after many 8's, a few 9's, and even a couple 10's; And all of my clients seem uber happy with performance AND price. If I feel good, they feel good, whose not to be happy