is there something that's a red flag that causes you to second guess meeting someone new ... for me its when someone has over say 150 reviews.   i imagine everyone has their own criteria.  .......  or if her chest is smaller than a D   LOL ..  ( thus nevertoolarge!  

A new girl that has a flood of great, new reviews, all by clients who only have that one review, is a major red flag. The other biggie is a model-esque looking provider, who is charging well below market rate, and is using a sketchy website.  
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Those two situations are almost always a no go for me.

If a girl has an OF and she sets the subscription price to something like $50.

After I send my initial intro, I'll get the "Hey Babe" or the "Hi Hon" response. That response will end any conversation going forward.Now, most of these responses come from non-review or girls.
So... before anyone says, "why don't you see reviewed girls". On occasion I'll come across an ad where a young lady will grab my attention, no reviews. So I'll inquire and take the chance.Sometimes I like to beat the bushes to see whats out there.

Robert: my website is *not* sketchy.  

Sometimes, I come across ads loaded with what a provider doesn’t do or want you to do. It almost seems like she’s angry/upset that clients do these things. I get bad vibes when she seems so focused on what not to do/say. Last thing I want is to book an angry provider. We all know some clients can be time wasters, jerks, and get on a providers nerves. But you got to not wear that on your sleeve and let it jade you with every other client.

Calling me "honey"" baby" "sweetie" in the first message. I do not know you. Keep it light and keep it professional.  
Asking for a discount in the first message.  
Giving me a checklist of what you want to accomplish with explicit sexual details in the first message. Instant no.  
Saying in the first message that you know we are going to hit it off and you want to be a regular. Again, I don't know you. Just because you think we are going to hit it off does not mean I am going to think the same about you.  
Dick pics. Don't do this. Ever. Very good way to get black mailed by some mentally unstable drug addled rando or Mohamad who is living in a hut and cos playing as a provider. Never a smart move. Keep it in your pants, slick.

Or the ones who don’t announce they require a deposit. You go through screening and at the end they want a deposit. Well if you had it listed to begin with I wouldn’t have contacted you in the first place.

Yeah. Providers who post on forums other than advertising.

Posted By: nevertoolarge

is there something that's a red flag that causes you to second guess meeting someone new ... for me its when someone has over say 150 reviews.   i imagine everyone has their own criteria.  .......  or if her chest is smaller than a D   LOL ..  ( thus nevertoolarge!  

Good one!

The need for a deposit should be stated prior to screening, not after. I cant remember that ever happening to me but it would def dampen my enthusiasm to see her.

It's a red flag for you if a woman posts on these boards? Why???

This reminds me of a very funny Seinfeld episode.....
"He took it out"

Whew!  Good thing I am not a provider!

Ladies who refer to themselves as 'elite', 'bespoke' etc. who will let you know of their alleged advanced college degrees and all the wonderful places their suitors have taken them.

Your comment is contradictory. If the provider is pissy and does not want to be doing this, wouldn't you want to know that from the ad? Why would you want to see a provider who seems very friendly and chipper in their ad but in real life hates her job and is a bitch? This is good criteria to weed out providers that are going to be a waste of money, she is doing you a favor.

I love Seinfeld. Every freakin episode relates to life. Kids these days will never understand!!! LOL

I agree, it always comes across as very conceited and contrived. Being elite usually speaks for itself. Also, bragging about their education kind of makes them seem like morons. I'm supposed to think you're smart because you spent all that money on an elite degree and couldn't figure out how to leverage it? You blew a bunch of money on a degree and now you blow dudes for money, sounds great. I mean sure, personality matters and having a witty, intelligent companion is great. You still gotta fuck like a champ though. I'm not paying top dollar for analysis, I'm paying top dollar for anal. I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of them are lying. Anyone can say they went to Harvard but none of them are showing us their diplomas.

Hint: if you have to SAY you're classy, you're NOT.

You really got it out for me with the troll posts lol. But sure, I will entertain you anyway.

The ones who actually went to top schools might be more likely to not share that information. But I am sure of the ones who share it, some are true and some are not. It's hard to know for sure.

OK, this is getting awkward. Do you really not understand when someone is fucking with you and when someone is having an actual discussion with you? I do not have it out for you, I don't know you. We are typing nonsense into the universe, we are not curing cancer here bud. You are taking this way too seriously.  

I can tell you first hand that a number of providers not only enjoy providing, but actually love it. The Champagne, the upscale dinners, the gifts, the occasional trips, the adoration, etc are all things than many of these women grow to love that maybe they didn't think would happen when they first started out. Some women actually enjoy the sex! lol.
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Yes, stipulated, there are burnt out women in the biz but what line of work exists where that doesn't happen? People dont think doctors and lawyers get burned out? And when someone doesn't give themselves time away from something, i.e. a planned vacation, hiatus, etc that feeling of being burnt can grow to them becoming jaded, or worse, anger.
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I have said this before but I get burned out at times in this lifestyle. When that feeling comes, i.e. the thought of a date with a hot, young girl doesn't thrill me, that is my mind telling my body to give myself a break. I know plan them, in advance, as that is how experience has helped me.  
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I think in my case, specifically, I see very few women that I find are jaded, as I tend to see girls that have only been doing this for a few, short years, or in some cases, just weeks or months. Not sure.  
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Great post!

I love the “I was just fucking with you” response. That’s a classic troll thing to say. Way to stay in character.

Were you taken off the tit too soon as a baby?

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I watch it WAY too much! 🤣
I insert Seinfeld-isms into my every day life more often than I should lol.  Your post immediately reminded me of the "He took................ it out" episode.

Well, I respectfully disagree. It’s possible for a lady to be classy and state that she is. If a lady, for example, receives compliments over the years that she’s classy, a class act, or something of the sort, she may feel it’s wise to market this aspect. I think there’s a difference between being self proclaimed and taking advantage of feedback.

Back in the day, before I did TER and when I visited Boston and NYC strip clubs ... several exotic dancers were students or alumni of the major local elite colleges and universities. (You don't know the buildings, courses, and other minutiae they could accurately talk about without being closely affiliated at some time.) At least one of them I knew went on to med school. Another one was definitely on track for med school and probably made it. Those might be two rare cases. I can probably think of a few more examples if I put my mind to it.  
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(I can also recall a mainstream calendar model. I recall some who were wisely investing in real estate. Some were saving up to start a small business. I.e., some were classy, some were smart, ... )  
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OK. Back to TER ...

I only see girls who are completely shaved.  

when guys with no reviews and sketchy stories of why they don't have any reviews try to pass themselves off as experts in P4P.  The irony here is him calling YOU a troll when you actually engage in commerce on this site and have reviews of your own to prove it.   He thinks he's clever with his ruse, but most experienced mongers and providers can see through it.  

Mandatory minimums e.g. 90 mins for new clients and labeling hour long appointments "brief encounters".

One of the most experienced and reasonable posters here.  If you had any kind of real experience, you would know that a provider self-declaring she is "classy" is merely for the purpose of charging a few hundred dollars more without any added value to the session.  "Classy" because she can walk in stilettos without her ankles folding in is NOT the same as classy from breeding or education.  Not surprised YOU would fall for this one from a provider.  

Clients need to be careful when sex workers tell us what we want to hear. We're paying for a fantasy, the Girlfriend Experience. We want to feel like the provider likes us and enjoys having sex with us. Nobody is going to book a provider that talks about hating their job and the sex they have with clients. It is very flattering to believe that the fit and hot 20-something provider really loves having sex with out of shape dudes in their 50's and 60's. There are providers that love their job and the related sex. There are also providers that love the money and are good at acting. The thing is, we can't always tell the difference. There have been plenty of sex workers that raved about their chosen careers, only to sing a different tune once they retired. As a client, don't ever let yourself get too deluded. Even if they love the sex they love your money more.

All you can do is troll with an insult.

That you put so much creed in having reviews. Like, you actually believe that makes someone posting on a fuck board more believable and trustworthy? Come on CDL, stop playing the stupid idiot. It's posts like this that sink your ship. It's funny that you and QB never get along. You talk even more than she does and you are even higher on yourself then she is. You're like the male client version of her, but so much worse.

First, normal people disagree. It's a natural part of a conversation. Disagreeing in of itself is not a sign of disrespect. I don't think he needs you coming in like a white night. He is welcome to remain firm on his opinion, or add to the debate.

I think what you say is very true. Some are just good actors. And, we want to believe it's true, so we may even be more likely to believe it. And, I am sure this has happened to me several times. Another reason why I believe the one I mentioned, however, involves a few other things.

I went to NYU in the late 90s. I had a friend who stripped at a NYC strip club to help pay for her education. I knew her as a friend and student, not as a stripper. In fact, I knew her for over a year before she sharred this with me. Impossible to question her education path from the fellow student side of the table.

As a marketing trick it doesn't really work because of the obvious dissonance. Hiring an escort isn't really a classy affair. It is hard to consider a woman classy if she's banging dudes in mid-tier hotels for a few hundred bucks. It is a hard needle to thread. It is much easier to describe yourself as elegant, stylish or sophisticated than it is to use the word classy. Its really hard to call anything classy when sex and smut is involved to any degree.  

Ooohhhh....HEY Everybody!    Longtime no See/Speak/Post/Rant  etc!

I was mostly replying to Robert. His line "Some women actually enjoy the sex! lol" made me chortle and prompted the response. There are without a doubt providers that enthusiastically enjoy the sex. I just think as clients we should keep an even keel before we get full of ourselves and our own sexual desirability. I do like it when the provider is sexually attracted to me. I don't know if that is always the case. Anyway, since you chimed in I'll cheerfully provide a bit of that healthy skepticism.  
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The thing is there are so many things going on in her life that are completely invisible to you. You have no idea what her dynamic with her husband was like or how much money she really had access to. You don't know all the choices she made and how they could have opened or closed certain doors. You'll never know if someone is telling you the whole truth, part of the truth or no truth at all until you get proof. You're not the first guy to spend a few extra hours with a provider for no charge, both in and out of the bedroom. Its rare but not uncommon. When it does, I just appreciate it for what it is. I wouldn't recommend drawing any conclusions or projecting anything when it does happen.

Welcome back GUS! This is a BANGER. I think you're 1000% correct. I feel like there are the guys that 1) went to Ivy's and look down on people that didn't and 2) Guys that didn't get in to an Ivy but are mad/insecure about it. Its either "hey she's on the level, unlike the lower class ruffians" or "she's unobtainable, until now!" The thing is, I've been around the block a few times. I've had some very interesting, intellectual conversations with women who were duds in the bedroom. I've definitely had intellectual connections with woman that lead to better sex. Some of the best sex I've ever had was with women who barely spoke English. Chemistry is important but hard to define. Despite all that, what I see on this website tells me most guys are seeking looks and performance. The reviews mostly talk about how hot they are and the crazy stuff she's willing to do. Does an Ivy League degree make a woman a more desirable provider? Clearly to some it does. Does it make her a more interesting person? Maybe but not always. Does it mean she's great at sex? Inconclusive because Harvard doesn't offer any degrees in fucking.

Hey buddy! Welcome back!!! Hope all is well with you.  

As a provider I am often mystified by the provider requirements of a minimum of 90 min. I have even seen some providers who now require a minimum of 2 or 3 hours!!  I prefer 60 min for a first date. Sometimes they go great and I am very open to longer dates, sometimes not. Sometimes it is not a bad date at all but 60 min works great for both of us. I think one hour is the perfect "get to know each other" appointment.

I frequented the NYC clubs in that time period: Flashdancers, Legz Diamond (just north of FD), NY Dolls, The Paradise, Private Eyes, (I didn't go to Scores - bad rep, even back then), and several others ... the Blue Angel Cabaret and, the best of them all, THE HARMONY (sic transit gloria mundi). BRING BACK THE HARMONY!
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Maybe I knew your classmate! I'm sure that she will vouch for me and affirm that I was a polite and generous gentleman.

Ha! Maybe we were in the same club at some point. I went to most of those. I wasn't a huge fan of Scores either. Though, the Scores Westside was a little better. The one near Times Square had a bad rep. I went once because I got some deal on Thirlist that included steak dinners and a lap dance for a pretty decent price. There was one on 7th Aveneue around 47th Street, can't recall the name, that I liked.

She didn’t tell me anything about the husband. It was all over the internet. Because of her ties to Clinton, a lot of her life was exposed. She did interviews and what have you. This was 15 years ago for me, and I think it was a 10+ years ago old story back then. So we’re talking 25+ years ago when the scandal went down. But if you search right, you can still find a lot of what I found back then on the web now.

Hey  Luv,      👋 @Gus_n_MollyPugs  :
As  per  usual,  you  "get  it"!  🤓 💐

90 minimum is just as baffling to me. I guess I could understand in cases where a provider has a long outcall trip, or if provider does some extreme services (water sports, hard sports and so on). But a regular incall of minimum 90 mins? Sometimes you just don't click and want to cut your losses.

I think it is one of those things that is a holdover from Covid, when providers started requiring longer dates. It isn’t practical for meeting a new provider. It used to be I would book an hour to feel someone out before booking that extended date. I think everyone got used to covid rules and some providers got greedy.

Once again, purely speculative thinking on my part, but this is how I sometimes interpret the 1.5 or 2 hr minimum.
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The Provider knows that she needs to at least break even (if she has more than one meeting that day: the first meet can break even / cover expenses; additional meetings then provide some profit for the day) or even better than break even. That break even number might be at least hotel + travel + hair / nails / cosmetics + dry cleaning + ads + candles (if that's her thing) + man-stuff (soap, etc.) for the guests ... = $X. X will vary with city, etc., but let's call it $500 for this example.
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Once in the room with out of pocket expenses covered, staying only 60 minutes OR the extra 30 or 60 minutes is not a big deal.  (Not all Providers will think that way!! I'm just suggesting one line of reasoning for SOME Providers. I have been with hostesses who didn't rush me out on the hour and were fine with hanging out for a little while if they nothing better to do.)  
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Because she doesn't want to lose customers or scare anyone off with some outrageous 1 hour rate, she might require a 1.5 or 2 hour minimum that works out to a lower, less psychologically off-putting hourly rate and creates a more welcoming, unrushed meeting.
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(Assuming $500 to break even ...)
1.0 hr $500 = 500/hr but the Provider makes zilch; Client: "500/hr? Kind of pricey."
1.5 hr $700 = $466/hr but the Provider makes $200; Client: "$466/hr? Not bad and I have the time."
2.0 hr $800 = $400/hr but the Provider makes $300; Client: "$400/hr? Good reviews. Not a clock watcher. MSOG - check. Appearance - 10. Good deal!"  
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I would add that it is usually the case that a client can always leave early. If he is OK with $700 for one hour, he is free to leave after one hour and not use the full 1.5 hours. I think you can also ASK (not demand) ahead of time if you can schedule just one hour. If the Provider has several meetings that day and feels she can afford a shorter meeting she might be accommodating. If not, just pay the 1.5 hour rate and leave early.
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In summary, I think that some Providers have a 1.5 or 2 hour minimum to maintain a competitive RATE ($/hr) but insure that the day will be profitable.

You are correct. Realistically gals know that with either a 60 or 90 min visit the amount of sex is going to be the same. The 90 min is usually going to have more talking, massage, etc. Also some providers want to guilt trip guys into booking a longer session and make you feel like a cheapskate if you say you only want to book 60 min. It is more of a sales than service tactic, but everyone of course is able to run their business as they choose.  

I don't think you understand what I am trying to say. I'm not saying the information you have is false or fake. What I am saying is despite the time you spent with her and all the news stories you read, you don't really know her or what is going on in her life. You only know what you read in the papers and what she wanted to tell you. Even if everything you read and heard was 100% correct, there is a ton of other information relevant to her story that you will never know. She only exists for you as a fantasy. A fantasy that you crafted to suit your needs.  
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It is very easy for a client to get ahead of themselves. Sex is a very intimate act and it creates chemical reactions, it is natural for certain feelings to arise. It is a good idea to keep these feelings in check, however, because the emotions and feelings are not real or based on reality. When hiring an escort you skip a lot of steps to get to the main event. There is no flirting, courtship or getting to know someone. Your brain is forced to fill in the gaps and it creates an image of someone that does not exist. It can become confusing though, since this image is based on a real person. It can become very hard to distinguish reality from fantasy. That's all my friend!

That’s the best description of CDL I’ve ever heard!!

When I first read this, I read it as a client…I’m like why wouldn’t you want her to say hun! lol I do it to everyone.. but sometimes I wonder if it sounds condescending

You can SAY someone else is losing, but you're still showing no reviews on a review site, and your advice is sketchy.  This is what REAL trolls do to try to fool people into thinking they have experience they don't really have.  Name something I said about you that is false and how you will prove it to the readers here?  Reviews on a review site would do it.  Is that crickets I hear?    
 

you would know the difference between what someone "believes" and what someone KNOWS from experience.  You still can't name a single provider that you have ever seen.  Pick any one of my reviews and ask me about the provider and I can still answer questions about them.   Maybe you could do that, too, but you don't have any reviews.  There are other discussion boards out there that are not attached to review sites.  Maybe someone there will buy into your uncorroborated claims.    

You are the literal definition of dumb. The only argument you have against me is that I am using an alias that doesn't show reviews. That's literally all you have. You can't discredit what I have actual said, so you are making a weak attempt to discredit me. You're like a broken record and just keep repeating the same stupid argument. Show some brain activity and try to argue the points being made. Are you even capable of this?

I said you mostly have seen kgirls, and you draw I am racist from that? My goodness, you cannot make this stuff up. I only said that to point out your limited experience. Though, now I am even questioning that with your copy, paste, and edit reviews. More fakeness from a fake person.

I didn't miss that point. I even said it's possible that not everything that was written is accurate. Of course I don't know what's in her head. Of course there could be more to the story. I get all of that.