No, I don't, because I know that my original post still contained comments condemning it, and I know you're still trying to argue about it. Why? I don't know. People love to use their imagination and I think that's great for the most part.
I am a very long time lurker hear. I rarely have ever posted over the years because I rarely had anything i wanted to say that wasn't already being said. I reecntly saw a wonderful very well reviewed mid twenties provider with mostly 10's with a few 8's and 9's thrown in. She is the best possible date in IMHO. I saw her for 3 hour date and in the middle when i was having problems keeping it up because of the cover, She offers bareback!!! I straight away held her face and said don't ever do that honey you are risking your life. Why !!! Why!!! I want to know how prevalent you guys think this is. It has shaken my false sense of manageable risk hobbying. This girl is so pretty and gives such great service that business reasons make no sense. I will sadly never call her again. How many others are doing this? I have been hobbying on and off for 15 years and this is the first time for me.
Is greater than the ones who get it, and I think the girls who do it are really not thinking things through even if for the simple "give em an inch and they'll take a mile", and I also think that it is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
I am woman. Hear me change my mind.
Knowing a provider offered this would definitely move her off my TDL. Just not worth the risk for me.
I'm not overstating unsafe sex practices. I'm just saying that we are not all the AIDs infested cesspools that we'll be accused of being in 5...4....3...
Edited to add: all, literally all. You know how these threads go, lol
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It bothers me that you are so accepting of BBFS. I have always felt ( maybe wrongly as it turns out ) how i hobby was representative of how other successful, rational and well adjusted men hobby. I read reviews very carefully of reviewers that are like minded ( based on like choices and experiences ) and saw women frankly so pretty and normal that I still wonder why they do this. I have always thought this greatly lowered the chance that i would encounter unsafe practices. I avoid the 10/10 20 pages glory seekers because i always felt that they would do what it takes to keep on Top. i have always seen the beautiful early twenties to early thirties girl who only sticks around a few years and goes on with her life. They I felt had something going for them that they would roll the dice so to speak. I guess my bubble has popped.
I believe that a large majority of men DO hobby responsibility…the difference is the "taboo" activities, such as BBFS that a smaller percentage are involved in, comes to the light more often, strictly because of the topic itself. Do otherwise sane and intelligent people sometimes engage in unsafe activities? Of course. But there are many more who do not. Too many people take the stance of "well, he is married, so he must be clean", or "he is so polite, and I've been seeing him for awhile..so he must be OK"….and fail to take into account that, if he is doing BBFS with you, then more than likely he is doing it/asking for it, from other ladies as well. It's not just you…so the whole, he's safe because he's married theory goes right out the window.
In every situation, one has to weigh the good with the bad, and approach that situation in a way that they are comfortable with. Those who engage in unsafe practices, such as BBFS, will eventually learn the hard way. If you yourself are protecting yourself, then the risks are cut down substantially.
My question was rhetorical. You definitely did not overstate it. You suggested that bbfs is not as big of a deal as some make it out to be.
I'm surprised at that. How can disease, pregnancy, etc be "not that big of a deal"?
We are all at least in part a product of our experience. I've had females go BSC on me....it takes A LOT to trust someone enough to go bbfs with them. End of story. Won't ever happen with me in hobbying.
Edited to add: all, literally all. You know how these threads go, lol
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Btw....it's not just "you" I'm worried about. Shelling out a line like "we are not all aids infested cesspools" is a bit myopic. If you choose to go BB with some guy...I now have to trust your judgement in your partners and I don't get to review them or all the other providers they've gone BB with. Regular testing will not surface a result in time to save me from your judgment. I'm not willing to take that risk. Many happy returns to those that disagree with me. Not a game I'll be playing anytime soon.
I'm surprised at that. How can disease, pregnancy, etc be "not that big of a deal"?
We are all at least in part a product of our experience. I've had females go BSC on me....it takes A LOT to trust someone enough to go bbfs with them. End of story. Won't ever happen with me in hobbying.
Edited to add: all, literally all. You know how these threads go, lol
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99% of these threads turn into Udo vs. YOU WILL GET AIDS AND DIE!!!!
So just because I point out that I think it's stupid (funny, how hard it is to read, isn't it?), but people have certainly managed not to die immediately after for thousands of years does not mean I am accepting. Just realistic.
So once again:
I think that the claims by hobbyists of when it happens are greater than what it actually is. Sorry, some of y'all lie. Especially about that, for whatever reason.
I think that it is stupid to engage in BBFS because of about a million reasons. Ranging from he'll expect it every time after that to STDs and pregnancy.
I ALSO think that BBFS is not the death wish that people make it out to be on here. I realize sensationalism is exciting, but I prefer actually understanding. Dumb? Sure. Neither side is the best candidate for this activity. But lets not act like this is what makes us all scream like little girls in the night. There is a certain amount of risk, though not high, that you have to accept when you play this game because you are never going to be able to know or control what other people do. Still worried about bringing something home to the wife? Then methinks you probably shouldn't be bopping someone else, because there is never zero risk.
Would I? Not in a million years. Do others? Sure. And that's their deal, we've all gotta die from something, and we've all got to accept the risk we put ourselves up to
Learn to tell a joke and I will be happy to laugh at it. I'm not married. I'm not concerned with anything other than my own health. To the one that is pregnant, sick, dying...the stats don't mean much.
Your post below is not surprising like your first. If you had just said that...I have no issue whatsoever with your opinion.
So just because I point out that I think it's stupid (funny, how hard it is to read, isn't it?), but people have certainly managed not to die immediately after for thousands of years does not mean I am accepting. Just realistic.
So once again:
I think that the claims by hobbyists of when it happens are greater than what it actually is. Sorry, some of y'all lie. Especially about that, for whatever reason.
I think that it is stupid to engage in BBFS because of about a million reasons. Ranging from he'll expect it every time after that to STDs and pregnancy.
I ALSO think that BBFS is not the death wish that people make it out to be on here. I realize sensationalism is exciting, but I prefer actually understanding. Dumb? Sure. Neither side is the best candidate for this activity. But lets not act like this is what makes us all scream like little girls in the night. There is a certain amount of risk, though not high, that you have to accept when you play this game because you are never going to be able to know or control what other people do. Still worried about bringing something home to the wife? Then methinks you probably shouldn't be bopping someone else, because there is never zero risk.
Would I? Not in a million years. Do others? Sure. And that's their deal, we've all gotta die from something, and we've all got to accept the risk we put ourselves up to.
Learn to read and you'll see that I did say that, word for word.
We all slip our cranky pants on one leg at a time, don't we?
Your first post didn't include this:
And it also didn't include this:
That's a pretty big difference considering your first post is stating that BBFS "I also think that it is not as big of a deal as people make it out to be". It almost sounds like your are okay providing BBFS. Your later post, which I have excerpted here, has now cleared that up. You clearly do not provide BBFS based on these comments.
See the difference now? Maybe you should be taking your own advice and learn to read. Stop being so defensive when others question aspects of your comments. Simply provide a clarification so that your original meaning is understood. That is the point and counterpoint of civil debate and discussion.
We all slip our cranky pants on one leg at a time, don't we?
No, I don't, because I know that my original post still contained comments condemning it, and I know you're still trying to argue about it. Why? I don't know. People love to use their imagination and I think that's great for the most part.
It's not for me except with Someone who's achieved SO status.
That said I don't get botheredeither way by someone fishing for it.
However, I think you've missed the new HIV data.
There's actually a rising trend in women probably stemming from the multiyear trend in men who swing both ways.
There have been reports on the gay male population, particular among certain ethnic groups such as blacks, where barebacking is the norm not the exception and HIV is rampant.
It is a public health issue- It's a risk to the spread of endemics and epidemics.
So, to use your word cesspool, there's a cesspool next door if not in our own house.
Unfortunately not everyone is as savvy as they should be
It happened to me with my first provider during the 3rd visit. I resisted. I have seen other providers that were out of condoms (I don't carry any) and have offered bbfs. The first one said "I'm out of condoms, is that OK". I said yes, expecting a bbbj to finish. she laid down on the bed and spread her legs. I said, I'd rather have a bbbj. One provider even said she was out of condoms, but could give me a bj, after getting me good & hard she turned around & offered doggie...wtf?
This girl is 500 hr higher end classy girl. Not the type that runs out of condoms. She does greek and every other "safe" thing a guy could want and young and really pretty. I just really don't see that she wouldn't be fully booked all the time with just what her ad offers. I am questioning my hobbying over this. Maybe i have been naive all along.
I believe it's pretty common.
Why do they do it? Boils down to trust. She sees you, you seem well adjusted and normal, perhaps married so she trusts that you take care of your health for your sake and your wife, and so she feels it's ok to engage in it with you because she "trusts" you're safe and she knows for sure she is.
It happens at every price spectrum, so the illusion that very expensive women don't do it is very much that, an illusion.
Same thing with men, you see her, she seems so sane and safe that you think this once won't be a problem.
Not that it's right but everyone seems so shocked and these threads come up so often wondering why someone would risk their health - simple, they don't think their health is at risk.
I, on the other hand was pretty surprised once when I started a thread asking what people thought if someone contacts you and said "I have an std, I'm completely honest, will you still see me." And the response was an overwhelming no. Logically I wondered, if you protect yourself in case he might have something, why wouldn't you use that same protection if he was honest about it.
Not condoning any actions. Simply sharing thoughts
Quite possible.
Quite common in BFF & Sugar Baby situation
Your theory is mostly likely correct for most cases. It still doesn't make sense for her to offer it when all her other service and looks are so good. It wasn't asked for. We already had one cup and i usually always have condom problems on the second and always am happily to finish another way. She had to have known I was very happy and having a great time and she didn't need to do anything else to get me to come back. This is a business for her and she doesn't need to do anything more to have guys calling all day and repeating anytime she crosses their path. In fact she lost a customer.
So can you see why she would think you're a safe person to offer it to? Everything points to you being quite safe and non-demanding. It's human nature is to offer things when someone doesn't ask for them.
But it is a shame that she couldn't read how safe you were that she has now lost you
Unless a lady is giving CBJ, she can quite easily get what ever it is you have that can be transmitted via a penis. Sadly, there might be guys with something that never say anything and let the unsuspecting ladies BBBJ them.
And vice versa. Now if we were all using condoms for everything and dental dams then lesser risk, never 100%. If a provider was contacted by a guy who freely admitted he had an STD then she could cover everything and be super careful, only the basics (no fluid exchange etc) or not see him at all. Most give BBBJ and kiss so the "same protection" would not help as there is obviously fluid exchanging.
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Happy now?
Is this first BBFS question for 2014? More to come
No I am not. I also don't care how many times it has been brought up before. I always felt ( or told myself) it was very uncommon to run across when you Hobby how I do.
Awesome. Keep up the "lurking" and your novel threads.
Guess what? I have lost track of how many times BBFS thread has been posted here and on other boards. So you are saying something that has been said for the gazillion times. And we pretty much get the same response every time: People said they have been offered but they would never do it. In reality, we all know this goes on far more often than people care to admit. Why do you think 8/9 providers suddenly are getting all 10/10s? If you read their recent reviews, you will notice quite a few never mentioned covers. TER used to modify a review that doesn't mention cover, but they don't bother anymore after they start allowing BBFS reviews. I also know people bc on which provider offers bbfs so it is not a secret bbfs goes on here. Especially for some high-end providers so they can keep their score averages up and charge their expensive rates.
She is so good looking and the service is so good she wouldn't need too, is my point. I also felt I was being very selective to avoid this behavior. ( naive) 15 years and never running into it and when you do it's a shock.
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If condoms were designed with his pleasure in mind, the packaging would be empty.
Seriously though, who needs the risk of BBFS? Condoms buy me at least an extra two minutes! 