With all the recent chatter about NC/NS, and the thread about a hobbyist leaving early, etc...
Here's my idea, and I'm actually starting to get serious about it.
Let's start our own credit report service for hobbyists. Each provider has to register to be a legitimate "creditor" who has access, and can post to, the database. The credit score would be based like the real one: a base score, with detractors taken from that base that are related to their offense. For example:
Here's a few items that don't show up in the reviews...
Late, -10 Germ-a-phobic -10 Too Chatty -5 Too Small or worse, no condoms -5 Handlers and/or pimps in the parking lot - 50 Girl Friend in bathroom - 10 Overly aggressive moaning, feigning pleasure - 10
Sorry, but most of the guys I know in the hobby are stand up in every way and we get a bad rap along with all the others, so this list is just as valid.
did you put any thought at all into how that would work? every hobbyist would have to disclose their TER handle which would then be linked back to their real name, which any reputable provider knows if they did screening. You can pretty much start throwing out honest reviews of providers once TER handles are known.
Her being angry? If you see professional providers, then they know the business and know that they can't please everyone all the time. They move on, if you see CL girls and they get angry, I certainly hope you didn't give your last name or address.
Basically in those scenarios, so what if you give a poor review and she knows. Heck she might even work on her shortcomings then invite you back at a discount to see if she is any better.
What are you afraid of, the boiling rabbit scene from Dangerous Liasons? Because if you are, then you need to see different women or stop completely.
that some previously well reviewed providers have thrown after recieveng a bad one. It's not just CL girls and it happens a lot more often from supposedly "professional providers" than you would think.
I could understand a provider having a fit and rightfully so for a review that was made up to make her look bad, but as long as it's the truth, so what if she doesn't like it. I own up to my mistakes and bad ideas. I expect others to do so also. If a well reviewed provider is having a really bad day and sees a client anyway, thus giving the client a really bad time, she should get a bad review.
Personally I would rather have a provider cancel on me then have a bad time. Reschedule for me when it is convenient to me (even if that means she works on one of her days off).
In the course of their temper tantrums, some providers have crossed the line and have harrassed hobbyists, threatened to out them to their wives, I've seen thinly vieled threats of violence, all because the hobbyist gave a less than stellar review of her.It happens rather infrequently, but it does happen, with previously well reivewed provider too.
So when your repied "risk what?" this is what I was referring to
This can't work. The hobby isn't that formal. It can't be made that formal. The last thing any hobbyist wants is a database somewhere with his name. If it's not done by name, but by alias it can be defeated just by changing one's alias.
As flawed as it is, back-channeling works better. Till there's a better social/legal situation for the hobby, that will be the only way to do it.
First of all I agree that this removes the anonymity of hobbying. Secondly, this takes away the basic premise of what we do. Many guys hobby because they are less than perfect or don't want to be judged. Obviously each hobbyist has to be respectful and meet the minimum requirements (hygiene, discretion, etc), but by doing this you open the door for ratings based on looks, performance, etc. Suddenly it becomes a dating service where girls won't see an otherwise really nice guy because his ratings aren't high enough. Next thing you know hobbyists will have to have a website with photos in order to get an appointment/be reviewed.
Okay so that's a stretch. My point is just that by going to any type of hobbyist ratings you basically make guys compete for dates, which is what most of us are trying to avoid in the first place. I mean face it, if a girl gets a request for two appointments, she will always choose the guy with the higher rating, right?
Ladies, tell me if I am wrong, but doesn't the current system police itself pretty well? I mean how often do you really have appointments that are that bad?
Agreed you gentlemen do not like or want to be judged and you are quite right...that's why the majority are here, however you are always being judged on hygiene, promptness, attitude, NC/NS, rip-offs. I think you just don't want it out there for everyone(mainly other guys to see). What do you think "escort only boards" are for? It's not just for the really crazy or dangerous...it's for the rough ones, the dirty ones, the women-haters etc. That's all that would be placed on such a site. I could care less what you looked like or your performance(as long as you were gentle and respectful).
One thing mafishman1 that you mentioned that is perfectly true and logical is if I had two guys want to book at once and I knew their scores as it were, I would obviously pick the cleaner, more prompt, more discreet and gentle guy than over the other.
Actually as it is you guys go through this on the quiet. I carefully pick and choose who I am alone with one on one very carefully. Yes I do refuse some, but we all do. We just have other less intrusive ways off doing it. What I think would be most distasteful to you men is that your scores would be public...not to mention the lack of anonymity.
the thought of this being in the hands of the reviewers themselves makes me nervous. That's not in the ladies' best interest imho.
I don't want to be mean, but let me burst your bubble here for a sec. Again, I don't mean to be rude, but I think there's much you haven't considered...
One of the good things about the various sites listing problem men is that they are predominantly female controlled, offer the offense and as much detail as possible to keep the ladies safe. Your system does not offer the same detail and is not female controlled, but rather gives these offenders access to their info and I'd be willing to bet, allows them to talk their way out of it- she's a lying hoe is an excuse I think you'll hear a lot. This doesn't help the ladies, but rather the men. NOT A GOOD SYSTEM. I personally wouldn't use it.
In what ways is a hobbyist supposed to "correct" his behavior? To be honest, you guys know what you're doing and if you're a nice guy, you won't purposely be trying to short a lady or pay her in counterfeit, run out, hit her, or etc... To do any of these offenses, I wouldn't see a gent no matter what. There is no correcting that. Does the lady who was the victim receive the benefit of this correction? Unlikely.
Your scoring system is off as well. Some of these are just as damaging to the ladies as others... I routinely see stories of men who stay an hour longer or more by bullying her (which pretty much screws her plans up for later and gives them a stolen hour of time because of her fear), who put fake money in the envelope, run out on a lady, use counterfeit, etc... Your scoring of these makes it seem like a minor transgression when they are serious offenses.
It's a nice thought, but let's leave this to the ladies who already have systems in place to watch out for one another that are a lot more accurate.
wouldn't it be the same as using TER in a sense? What is the difference. The only ones that don't seem to make it to the reviews are CL and that's cause the hobbiest there are some what cheap and don't want to use TER even though it is free to review. Call me blonde!!!! I'm confused as to why add another verification site and anohter hurdle when this and the others that are already here work for the most part.
Most established providers have a series of factors that they use to determine whether they wish to meet with a new hobbyist. Judging from the suggestion of your "demerits" you obviously don't think anything is serious enough for a provider to refuse service except physical assault.
Sorry to second guess your value system but if a client ever: *Shorted the requested donation *Was a NC/NS *Overstayed their agreed upon time *Arrived in a "less that fresh" state and declined a shower invitation *Arrived in a state of intoxication or under the influence *Shared the location with another individual *Abused providers time by calling repeatedly *Mistook hospitality for weakness and sent numerous emails *Was guilty of adding drama to a providers routine- through board assaults, through IM's, through text messaging or anything else out of the ordinary
I would NEVER see them again,,,,,-and, would have no problem sharing my thoughts with other providers if asked.
-So, I guess it is obvious, each provider has different behaviors she will not tolerate. Your "report system" just doesn't take all of the variables into account. The whole concept sounds like an attempt to add another element of argument and seems to be an attempt to re-invent the wheel. What's in place works.
Have to agree with Tori on this one. In fact as she pointed out we already have this system in place and where I see the guys objecting is having it on a public forum for their peers to see. Now that would be embarrassing and depending on the score, humiliating.
We already have the luxury of deciding whom we want to see. The "escort only" boards are not just for the violent or plain crazy, but for the rude, annoying, dirty and disrespectful as well. And references are used not only as a "Did you see him?", but for much more...at least I do. They are sort of like a review if you will minus all the gory details(we just want to know things about hygiene, boundaries, attitude and not looks or performance etc.). I take into consideration the lady who provides the reference. Some guys I won't see because of who they have seen(ie. the reference).
I think we have everything covered and there is no need to plaster the details on the net.
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