I was halfway through an appointment with a client and then he somehow managed to bring up payment and asked me for BBFS. I said no obviously. He said it was not a problem and said he would get the money from his car for payment. He realized his mistake when he brought up payment when he claimed to not have any money on him and said he will get it in a bit. We already went through many services but my gut was telling me to make him pay now. He left my place to pretend to get the money and actually emailed me twice from his car while he sat there 30 minutes into our date to beg for bbfs before he decided to leave. WTF!!!!! I am really at a loss for words since this guy has about 7-8 years worth of lengthy references from nice ladies. Not sure how to deal with this. I recognize I need to count my money upfront which I now have been doing after this man. I hate ruining the mood asking upfront and counting but this seems to be a new necessity once again.  Just a bit shocked this happened with such a large amount of ladies giving me a thumbs up on this client.  How do you feel about ladies counting money upfront?

count money in front of me. An alternative is to have your client leave his envelope in the washroom. You can check it out in private. Then, as soon as you come out you can exclaim how you're about to fuck his brains out.  

He probably had it all the time & was just looking to make a get away.  SCAM artists on both sides of the street.  Sorry this happened to you.
You should at least see the money before play time, you may choose to not pick it up but many invite their guest to freshen up & you may secure it

I don't care if you count it in front of me.   I'm really not into the whole GFE illusion.  I'm there for sex.  The only illusion I want is that you're not unhappy to see me.  Sort of like the smiling cashier at the fast food check out who probably wants to stab my eyes out, but says "Have a good day" instead.  It doesn't take much to please me.

I guess I need to ask the client to leave the funds  in my washroom in advance, I suppose. I dislike having to ask for money. I prefer to just screen well because it makes it less awkward. But that didn't seem to help this time. My next client willingly counted it out in front of me when he walked in. I felt very awkward having to do so since that is not my style. It ruins the experience on both ends .

It ruins the mood. However, I always put envelope where the provider will easily see it and then take a shower. I give the provider time to check the cash, but not while I'm in the room.  

If it's how to avoid a similar situation in the future, I would just ask for the "envelope" at the beginning of the session saying you wanted to put it in a safe place. When you are in another area (bathroom, etc.) you can count it and make sure you're not being stiffed  (pun intended LOL).

Who is this schmuck and who are the providers that PROBABLY went along with his begging for BBFS? You need to cross ALL these providers off your list of reliable references and safe doubles partners. This type of behavior is Blacklist-worthy.

A winner about the fucker's references. Now, to really have answer to this problem, none of these mongers have a solution for you.
It's the ladies you need to talk to.
That's my suggestion. Talk to the ladies about a better protocol.

My issue is, when I purchased a professional website which detailed where to discreetly place the envelope, very few guys would adhere to where I asked them to put the donation. The few star customers do. Most did not read my entire website thoroughly and I would have to oddly ask for it anyways. It feels like it has been an uncomfortable thing for me lately since most guys have no clue where to put it when it comes to most providers. I'd rather put my concern into making the client happy not into worrying where they put the money or if they did pay. Not sure if I should be odd about it and request clients to lay the fee where I would like in the final confirmation email/ phone text?

I will present the envelope before I take my pants off, whether she asks for it or not.  I will encourage her to into the other room and check it to make sure we are good.  It insures that I don't get an email the next day accusing me of shorting her, or "miscounting."  Once she has confirmed we are okay on the money, I put it out of my head and enjoy the session.  When I'm repeating and the girl knows me, I will usually pay at the end of the session.  Either way, I don't like her to count it in front of me.  

anyone had ever returned to a room after going to his (or her) car.  

I was blown away none of the ladies mentioned the BBFS part during reference check as well as nobody blacklisted this guy for doing the same thing that he did to me. It was the most awkward session I've ever experienced for many reasons. That should have been a red flag for me as well.

The gal did such a great job I felt like I owed her a tip. I told her I would go to my auto and come back with it, and I did. I would have met her again. But she disappeared from the scene.

I'm so sorry this happened to you! You should let the other gals who he's seen know so they don't continue to vouch for him.

Some of the ladies I've seen will go in the bathroom to "freshen up" a bit---they'll take my envelope in with them. And I always put the donation in a greeting card--so when they come out of the bathroom they can say something like "I really love the card, thank you!!" Now I KNOW they went in there to count what's inside but this takes the "edge" off of things, so to speak, and lets us both relax and eventually have fun!! (Which is what this is all about LOL!!)

One time I forgot the condoms in the car.

We both know why we are there.  Also eliminates any claims of being shorted, etc.  At least until I take off the boxers and she sees that she is going to get shorted.   sigh.

Hi there,
   I’m sorry this happened to you

not a big deal. I understand completely and can't blame you.

I usually drop the donation off right after the door of the incall shuts and before the first lfk Exchange. After that I’ll ask for the bathroom, giving her time to count the donation if she wants to.  

I am sure he had the money the whole time, but was just trying to get more out of you. Congrats on sticking to it and not agreeing to BB. Unfortunately some girls may be desperate for the cash and this may be how it gets girls to do this. I would say in the future make sure you see the cash/card/envelope sitting somewhere before you start. Sometimes I have gentlemen that forget, and I ask "do you have a gift for me?". I do not count it in front of anyone. I take the gift to my spare bedroom in the back of my house to count and then return for playtime.

I usually put in in a visible place  where she can count it then I go to the rest room.   If I don't I will forget about it.  After all at that point I'm thinking with my small head. It always takes control after I enter the room.
I have forgotten a few times but they have ALWAYS  received payment.  One time I drove 80 miles round trip the next day to pay the lady I had forgot about the day before.  So I mostly do it for myself.  I have a good excuse I'm almost 80 years old.  Buy the way these ladies really like us old guys, I think it's because they can whip our ass if they need to.
As to the BBFS  I've had at least three of them that asked me for it.  Of course I refused.  I still have a few good years left to play and don't want any STD's to stop that.

I've had RAs ignore the envelope, and RA's open and count right in front of me.  First time I was a bit surprised, but found it didn't bother me at all.  I'm not looking for a fake girlfriend but for a lady who provides me good sexual entertainment, clear-eyed and cheerfully, for a set fee.  I pay her, she knows it, that's part of the deal.  I may want some illusions, but that's not one of them.  

he could have been a perfect gentleman to the other providers. That's why you should go back to them and tell them that he's using them as cover to abuse other workers

Both providers and johns use to defraud each other!

....if the shoe was on the other foot which admittedly and regretfully it often is, the cries of "OUT HER"  would be loud and clear, sadly not surprising....
Suzee

Always. I would just blacklist and move on. Sorry that happened!

I just met with a provider who told me how much she had been ripped off/taken advantage of, and it was so upsetting to hear, sorry for the experience. Nearly every provider I have met with has been genuinely great company and warm (and none have ever been less than professional), so to hear that clients do this really is terrible.  

CalloBooty, you sound wonderfully sensitive and caring, but please stop fretting over such a basic expectation as getting paid the proper amount at the proper time in the proper manner. Any guy who has done this more than a handful of times knows the basic drill from reading it on countless provider websites, for instance for incall, unsealed env placed in plain view without prompting at the start of the session before excusing yourself to the facilities to freshen up and give you a chance to count. Not exactly rocket science. If they are not reading your website, include your instructions in an email sent the day before and ask them to acknowledge in an email response that they have read and agree to abide by the instructions. I'm sorry, but any guy who is willing to make this part of the encounter an issue is at best an asshole and at worst a scam artist. Don't put up with it.

As a guy who tries to be a painless trick, I can say... this is never an issue (OK, almost never... early on I screwed up once but that was due to inexperience), and I sure as hell don't want it to be. There are lots of ways I can enjoy my hour on the clock, and futzing around with a basic issue like the envelope is not one of them. Honestly, how sad is it that we are even having this discussion? You (the provider) are willing to lay out your body for some unknown bloke like me? Guess what, I am grateful enough to not make an issue out of the payment.

Once, as a newbie, she undressed me in another room & I failed to place the donation... oh, yes, she was gorgeous & my brain was fried... but she gently reminded me & I actually had the cash counted and ready.  

And I don't care if it is in front of me or not. I have has an issue before of the lady not finding it (It was in plain site exactly where her site told me to put it.) and having to turn around after I left and show her the envelope as instructed on the sink where and how I was instructed by her website to leave it.  

the envelope down with my hobby phone, car keys, and any other items like sun glasses on top. When I go to leave, I pick up everything but the envelope.

It's so distressing because you put your best foot forward and then you're not respected.  

That's why when I'm seeing a new person, I give them the envelope upfront. You can see the apprehension on providers' faces when they see a Black man walk in thinking if their past experience will repeat itself. When I get comfortable, I ask about the NB rule and sadly theft is the number one reason, I don't know how true that is. I really don't care if you count it in front of me, so far as you're comfortable, I'm good. My regulars, it depends. Sometimes the session starts at the door and I don't get a chance to give them the envelope.

I hear about the Black List.
How do I find it?