c'mon folks, blacklisting someone you've never met/ WTF? Shouldn't a blacklist be for dangerous people? not just people you don't get along with. How can someone prove themselves dangerous if you've never seen them? Maybe this gives the smarter providers the opportunity to see through the silly nasty nature of some women/men.

Lets say you have a problem disputing the issue, then what? change phone numbers? lie about your name being that you now have a new number?

the providers as well as the clients.

It hurts a provider when she turns down business from a client who is otherwise respectable.

Fortunately, smart providers learn to see through the bogus sites and bogus entries and if they get direct confirmation through another provider that they trust, they will ignore future warnings on suspect sites.

Nature has a way of balancing these things.

Establish a fake provider ID.  Go to the site and start blacklisting your governor, senator, local high-school principal, local priest, Mr Obama...get lots of attention aimed at these abusive sites.

They have never done anything to protect one single provider.  All they do is try to sponge money from anyone and everyone that their poison can touch...including providers who pay for membership/subscription...or whatever they call it.

to put up with constantly,  fake reviews that they can't remove, from guys who just have some kind of beef with them.   This is the flip side. The lady gets a bad, nasty or just plain out fake review , so they retaliate.Can you blame them.?
A couple of months ago one of the ladies I visit got a hateful review. I read it. It was full of lies and hate. Could she get it removed ?? Hell no.  Guess this is all part of the game as wrong as it may be.

Blacklists publish your real name, real address, real phone number, for any google search to find.

This means any wife, child, brother, sister, employer, friend looking you up will find and read about your hobby habbits

"any wife, child, brother, sister, employer, friend looking you up will find and read about your hobby habits"


Giving providers your real name is not wise .
 Ask Tiger what might happen.

I receive hundreds of items of personal information annually.

Out-of-towners scan and email their licenses to me if they can't satisfy reference information for outcall appointments to their hotels.

I visit private family residences.

Clients email me from their work email address.

Clients offer up every single bit of information they can without me asking.

And you know what?

I don't give a fuck about any of their information.  In one ear and out the other.  I can  remember every minute detail about spending time with them, their preferences, what they need me to know about them to enhance their experience, kids names if they like it personal, kinks if they like it straightforward and dirty.  

But last names, jobs, addresses and all of the other shit I'm privy to means nothing to me.

I want to take the appointment and keep the client.  

I have NEVER abused a clients information and absolutely NEVER would.  MOST providers won't.

I think that instead of being so distrusting of professionals most of you screaming about information could stand to just be a bit more selective.  I will say that if you fuck with large interstate agencies that send girls all over the place and provide personal information you're going to get burned.

What sorts of things do hobbyists need to do to avoid the type of provider that would abuse information?


HH

You can ask ladies you know well to contact the blacklist site, but there's risk in that.  First of all, some of these sites don't exist for the purpose of women's safety, they exist for purposes of extortion.  So when you contact them (or have a lady contact them), they know they've struck a nerve with someone.

On one of them, a lady contacted the "administrator" and said that so-and-so wasn't a time-waster.  The administrator posted the lady's email on the site, and responded with a sarcastic post to the effect of "poor, poor XXXX, apparently you don't recall when he stood YOU up."

To be clear, that's not ALL of the blacklist sites, but some of them just take information from another, more secure site and make it VERY public on theirs.

Which is why ladies need to REALLY consider what reasons they'll blacklist a guy, and what information they're going to post on him.  In the case of danger, I'm all for a full outing.  For a "time-waster" or a NCNS?  There are other ways beside a blacklist to even the score.

Good luck.  I haven't figured it out yet.....

Besides, most blacklist sites require that you specify WHY you were blacklisted. It isn't a black and white issue. If this is a person you have never met, you must have really annoyed her. But, just because one provider blacklists you, doesn't mean others neccesarily even care of spend all day reading these sites. Besides, as long as you have other good references, you should be fine. Most hobbyists are intelligent enough that they would not pass on a lady who has one questionable review out of many positive ones.

I've looked at those blacklist sites, and they're filled with so much B.S they almost seem worthless in eyes.

I think what a hobbyist should be concern about are the providers in your area. If you've seen at least 3 or 4 with in a month in a half (such the bwi area) many of the young ladies will know the type of guy you are.

A lot the girls and hobbyists know each other, one way or another, so if a guy does something stupid word gets out about him or her quickly.

Where do some of you whack jobs come from?

On a level of stupidity from 1 to 10, giving, give a provider a single piece of your real information is a 11.

They can make it harder to get a job, can lead to a divorce, or or other real issues. I wish him luck.

These public blacklists hurt providers in anther very real way. It is one reason why some provide false screening information, making it harder to screen. Screening is a providers primary way to stay safe in this game. Anything making it harder to screen hurts the ladies. Public blacklist sites do just that.

On a happy note here is Adraina F from Met-Art.com.

Blacklist sites out people in real life. Private blacklist site have there info stolen and put on public ones. Public ones show up on Google. I do Google job applicants, for fun once I spent a few hours day Googleing friends and family. Blacklist sites should be for dangerous clients only. If you use a stage name reviews don't out you, blacklists can.

Photo of Gwen A from Met-Art to make me smile as this topic even though I have never been backlisted pisses me off.

This is why you use a hobby phone, e-mail, and "Hobby Name" (Hi, I'm Kevin) lol! Any person stupid enough to give a provider is real home address is crazy

I understand very well how blacklist sites *can* work. I do not agree with providers listing real personal information about anyone for petty bullshit, and MOST providers have the same ethical sense of responsibility. However, if a client does something like rape a girl, rob her, physically harm her, legitimately stalk her or kill her, I am all for her real personal information to be out there. Frankly, if his kid googled him and found it, I wouldn't care. Once you decide to be a psychopath, you should expect there to be consequences for your actions.

Besides, most guys give us fake info anyway, and we make our personal choice of seeing him or not with the amount of info we have based on what he has given us, or what we can find on our own. It's the hobbyists responsibility to cover his tracks to his comfort level just like we do and to pick ladies with whom is comfortable. Basically what I am saying is that I agree with you. But are there crazy providers? Yes, like every other demographic. That's why hobbyists should just do their research, be respectful, and hope for the best in order to minimize risk.

Blacklisting is for (1) Informants who get busted by the local Vice cops:set up other girls,agencies,madams or clients. In exchange for a reduced sentence,keeping custody of kids. (2)Clients who set appointments then cancel abruptly to cause a pro to lose other appts. (3)Show-up just for kicks at Incall locations with no fee,or show-up at a later time uninvited to harass you. (4)Client who has a Sexually Transmitted Disease,then lies and says it's just a "rash",skin allergy or the smell of beer". When you know that is the smell of the clap that you are smelling. (5)Passing Fake currency,stolen checks,closed account checks. (6)Begins to Stalk you by calling your home,daytime job,showing up were your kids socialize,contacting your family and Outing you! Remember boys you are paying for companionship Not a girlfriend or wife. Nobody is here to fall in love. So move on...! (7) A client who is Racist,Woman-Hater or Manipulative post reviews on TER,MyRedBk,CapUK,Nr,Wiki,etc to demean a pro. Now ladies if a guy books appts that are bogus you do Not need to answer his phone call. Eventually he will move on to another by yelling just makes it worst. Ladies if you are doing Incall at your hotel/motel then you need to become "Stealth" to prevent. Robberies,assaults or worse stop being so nice in part the next time you open a door. It could be your last so when the guy arrives create other ways to prevent "Un-welcomed visitors". Incall at your home is just "Stupid" why, because we never return to a guys house unannounced. They can at yours ,,think! Stay safe-

First of all a guy who sets appts with assorted providers then gives out references of girls. Who live in other states that can Not place the individual, then he must make arrangements prior. When a guy uses another lady as a reference he must abide by the rules to prevent a dog chasing it's tail. First of all there are men using the TER and stealing other male member's TER:.  You know who you are because other guys have stolen info about men on MyRedbk. Posing as the guy in mention can create so much HAVOC. If you have a STD,history of (?)this behavior or that D-list baby! First of all never allow your TER,MyRedBk,Wiki,etc number loaned out to other new members. Second if a girl or guy is using another member of a Gay,Lesbian,Heterosexual review site mem#. That person must be banned from that site once it is learned that they are engaging in that practice. A well known pro that uses another site told me that a client she nearly made an appt with. Was posing as another guy from this site and had boasted that he had slepted with 20 ladies from here. Not being a member she couldn't verify his info except for the name,handle and some pro's. That apparently hadn't worked since 2010 so did a bit of detective work. Soon learned from an email account he used that he was Blacklisted. What he was blacklisted for is so degrading that I won't repeat online. No agency in San Diego won't allow their girls to see him. Nasty bastard....

These sites have saved many girls from arrest,time wasters who play jack-ass games! Let me break it down for ya spuds....if you are a horny guy and have no $$$. Then please do NOT dial a chicks number,give info,references, and confirm an appt. Then when she is ten mins away call  her by lying" my brother is coming,my wife is here,etc". Just click on You-porn,Brazzers.com for free porn clips and stop with the drama. Most of the men who play these jack-ass games are in their 20's to mid 30's. Mostly day dreamers with too much time on their hands. If a girl has been robbed or raped by a client she may Not file a police report. Some police officer's in some countries have arrested call girls who admit they engage in sex acts for $$$:. But were a victim of a Incall assault,now in the USA the laws may help the provider. Her life will never be the same once a police report is on file with her data. That the public can Now access and learn all the juicy details of what was behind her rape. That it was a trick who turned the table on her not a random stranger. Also it helps when the fuzz  has popped a few hot mamma's...By now means if a guy refuses to tip blacklist him. That's stupid because if you require tips (up-selling) then mention that on your website. Your website or ads must be specific not to waste other's time. It works both ways...

If you think you have something important to say, and you actually want people to read it, then you need to learn some grammar. Now I try not to be the grammar police here, but at least make your post readable to the normal average person. If English is your second lnguage, or you didn't get past third grade grammar, then at least get someone to ghost write for you.

Someone was repeatedly sending me racist hate mail for 3 months straight. I never met them, but they were clearly psycho. After sending the BL report, another lady (who was Black) responded saying he had contacted her for an appointment and was relieved to find my report. Her research had already given her a not-so-nice impression of him, but my report sealed the deal. She rejected his request.

I have another email stalker who has been contacting me 2 years! Demanding to see me because he wants to marry me. Cracked! When I wouldn't respond to his emails, he started bothering me on FB.  
People like this, while unacquainted with me, deserve to be on Blacklists. I don't care about their marriages or jobs. If they had left me alone, they wouldn't be there.

Would I ever BL someone because I didn't like something they said on a board? NO. But sometimes BL-ing people you've never met is necessary like in the situations above.

There are different levels of "violations" on BLs, harassers/email stalkers/fake reviewers/nc-ns etc is one category. If one spread nasty gossip about a provider, it can get someone landed on a BL. Obviously, the amount of accessible info is limited in these cases; a phone number and a first name are usually the only things you will find (if they booked by phone). The providers posting reports with minimal information are the ones who aren't screening and run into constant issues due to their carelessness.

If you find out you're on a BL and the report is clearly a lie. Contact the board admin yourself. Some will add your side of the story to the report. For example, I know a client who is all over the boards for Nc-Ns. He is a surgeon so he constantly is called last minute and forgets to cancel with the provider. He isn't doing it to be malicious, but its an inconvenience to ladies. I sent in comment explaining this so the readers can make their own decisions.

The bottom line: if you want to continue seeing escorts AND keep your privacy, don't be a gossip, a rip off, discourteous or abusive! Escorts are not punching bags.

He used an aliases to protect himself from the crazies.  I hope he doesn't take the bait that u tossed.

Nice post.  Much easier to read.  I guess u are coming down.  Hit me for a re-up!   Lol

Right on! @ nota clown.  I thought it was me.

I have lived in many countries...my slangs toss(confuse) people ....Every burb from Jamac,U.k,Ireland,Aussie,Swaziland, most lassies and mates don't understand until they read my notes. I love to confuse the hell out of people in part:This is a public forum.  So you gotta throw in a bit of vinegar... We say the same about Negro americans,,Urbanites stateside,...my slang is like twitter.com. A generational thing ...........................! BTW I am an AFRICAN born in the land of Nelson Mandela. Whats so funny is that when I was nearly ticketed for speeding recently. The bobby(cop) had no clue what I was saying. It's nice to punk flatfoots..LOL..LMAO...

Every country has a native tongue that visitor's to that region often become a stray to. Like in the U.k there are so may quips that many Canadian,American and English speakers draw confusion towards.  In South Africa we have words/phrases that confuse Brits,Aussies,Scotch. Growing up and traveling all over . I have absorbed many quips and puns as ammo to attack many predators. I love my fellow black sis/bros in part their urban slang's have become a global imprint. When you switch on the tele many whites repeat black slang to remark as :"I'm cool, Ya digg". Most of that is similar to what is spoken in Ireland,Wales,Jamaica,Caribbean,Mexico,Columbia,Turkey,U.k (Liverpool). Phrases,cut-offs that every generation coins,mostly poor dwellers. Some how it turns up into popular culture.....like a trend. Eventually looses its popularity like the Rubik's cube,Cabbage Patch Doll,Break Dancing. When I chat in 20 forums globally I can either compose in a manner to assimilate like the college nerds. Or choose to throw a Curve-ball like Lou Gehrig ...get it. I'm smart,VERY political and militant which scares the hell out of nice people. Now lets repeal this F***ing pros laws. So you guys/girls can Screw without fear of arrest!! Then lets burn those books on faith...

This person has no grasp of it

Well my darling american chaps I admire your determination,your wit and your balls! Living upon the land of the great Winston Churchill,Margaret Thatcher and Asquith & Somerset. I salivate  to trade on the saucy puns and shake the mere minds. Next time you visit the queens kingdom or the dark continent. Please refrain from ..What ya say again" .."Can you repeat that?....Lol..Lol Must be a white and black thing in the states??

I love to piss off COPS,Crooked politicians and the Foreign Governments. If not nothing gets done...

I have no issues with you or your posts. I simply want to say that reading your posts is extremely difficult. Why? Because often there is no spacing between words. The punctuation is incorrect or isn't there. Sometimes I can't tell if you have inadvertently left out a word or used the wrong word in your sentences. Sometimes it seems that you have chosen words that sound important but they actually obscure your meaning rather than clarify it. Some of your sentences run on stating what appears to be more than one idea but none of them fully developed.
I can appreciate that the American version of English may not be your native tongue. (If it is then I'm at a loss to understand why you write this way.) I agree American idioms can seem nonsensical. Some here have stated that your posts are hard to read. They may have stated it more harshly than necessary but I attribute that to their frustration in attempting to understand it.
I'm sure you have something worthwhile to offer in these discussions so all I ask is that you take some time to be sure they actually communicate with your readers. The few times I have read a post by you I have to shake my head and wonder, What did that say?, and simply move on wishing I had understood.
An example: "I salivate to trade on the saucy puns..." What does that mean? "Salivate" I think would be another word for -looking forward with great anticipation. Then you say "to trade". By this do you mean to exchange? Going on you say, "on the saucy puns...". Would it be correct to say it this way? I (meaning you) look forward with great anticipation to exchanging saucy puns. Then why say "on the" those words seem out of place and confuse the meaning. If I have discerned this correctly. The rest of your sentence makes this an incomplete sentence as you say "shake the mere minds. Mere minds of who? Again I'm left wondering what is this trying to say. Clearly all the time I have put into this shouldn't be necessary to gain understanding. I'm left still questioning if I've done it correctly.
I hope I have made my point. I hope you see it as an attempt to communicate without attacking.
Thanks for your time. xyz23

Her loins moisten at the thought of having you all thrusting and parrying (verbally) with her....AND her besting you at every turn.

Enjoy her while you can.

at least I understood what you said.

from a number of spaces, paragraph breaks, etc.  And I don't agree with ALL the reasons she cites as "blacklistable" either.

you waste my time I get to out you to your friends and family? No? Why not?! That is what you say you do. Blacklists out people. So what is good for goose is good for the gander. Many blacklists are very public and those that aren't have their info stolen by some of the public ones.

IF you are blacklisting people for any thing other than dangerous behavior you are dangerous as most of the guys you blacklist. You should be ashamed. I hope to god I never book you, because you give providers a bad name. Ladies like you make it hard for providers to screen as guys are afraid of bitches like you. You are a threat to everyone in this hobby, provider and client alike.

P.S. I would never out a provider unless she outs me first, even if she NCNS me.

And as I speak gibberish I understand her posts.

Freedom means having the ability to eat,breath,sleep,work,self-educate and function in society. This country has laws that are enforced by civil servants,local,county,state and federal. With the internet comes the ability to express,research,and extend into areas that wouldn't be possible. Without the net this site,CaptUk,MyRedbk,Eccie,Wiki,etc would not exist. So many of you would either be calling a chick from a Yellow page ad,asking around for an illegal brothel,asking (3) other sources for a card/#,hotel bar,Street walker,?. Politics and the local law is the reason you all hide in disguise on this site. Why because YOU fear an arrest for paying a female,male,transsexual for SEX. The ladies fear an arrest,long term record,humiliation in the local newspaper. Don't forget the search sites where they upload local escort/john arrest nationally. I don't fear no man but god and hopefully some of you will summon up the courage. To say that setting up stings and arresting girls is a waste of tax dollars. In some countries if a woman is charged with prostitution she can spend life in prison. I know for a fact that you don't appreciate your freedoms. If you did you would say make this activity LEGAL,let the girls apply for a healthcard/License as a Sex worker. Now back to blacklisting if you are blacklisted explain to the provider that it is either a mistake,or you pissed off a girl. You could prove the new lady incorrect or continue with the stigma. Or you could start your own site? lol

I've only blacklisted guys who shortchange, smell or look diseased, ask for unsafe practices,get too rough, write unwarranted bad reviews when you won't see them, stalk you, or overstay their visit by A FUCKING HOUR! The NCNS guys aren't dangerous, I only blacklist guys who are dangerous or extremely annoying. I have no regrets about anyone I've blacklisted and I've not had even one of them dispute their status.

Well I was able to understand that. Thank You very much. I recommend writing in that style all the time if you want to be understood here. I can appreciate you wanting to throw the proverbial curve ball at us but if your communication isn't clear then what's the point?
I will point out that Lou Gehrig was not a pitcher so he probably didn't throw curve balls though I'm sure he could have if he wanted to.

I understand I'm a handful but I mean well and I hate the pros law. It has ruined so many nice chick's and not to mention their clients. Blacklisting has it's good side and it's bad side. I stated that it should be used wisely and Not abused to 'I'm gonna get you'. A healthy debate is awesome and it gets us fired up and increase's our heart rate. I have been in many countries where this is either legal or a lady can be jailed for years for such a charge. Clients must be courteous to ladies and express themselves discreetly if not then a conflict of interest will occur. Ladies must be clear but professional over the phone,e-mail and your website is your calling card. I have an appointment with a client and I must talley- ho... A Lou G means a curve ball like a Fag means a 'smoke'..... Gd Ny

Sorry ddd4111. I agree with the others. After just a few sentences, I skipped over all of your posts until I saw others discussing them. I think you are capable of writing well but this is a forum, not a graduate level writing course or your editor at a publishing house. If I want to read James Joyce, I won't do it on TER.

Dumb it down for us!

(Someone else used to reply to every post changing the subject line to "X". I skip all of those, too.)

the question is, how much information should you put on the blacklist?

In my particular instance, ALL of my personal information was put on the blacklist....as a "time-waster".  From there, it was copied over to a VERY public blog from which my personal information is highly searchable, and its return was prominently on the first page of a Google search.

OK...it's true that I'm an idiot for ever having given personal information early in my hobbying.  For that I take full responsibility.

BUT.....what kind of woman lists a man's WHOLE PERSONAL LIFE on a website because he "wasted her time"?  Do they not understand (or care?) how exponentially the potential sentence is (it will be divorce in my case) when weighed against the crime of "time-wasting"?

For the record, I am and have always been universally respectul of ladies' time, space, and boundaries.  I've never once been denied an appointment with a lady, though there are rare occasions when a cancellation occurs---always within a reasonable time of the appointment, and I've never stuck a lady with costs associated with an appointment.

The blacklists have become a laughing-stock of the P4P world; their usefulness has been undermined by abuse.

choosing ladies to spend time with.  

I treat every woman I meet like a princess, and am universally respectful of their time, space and boundaries.

Yet my full info is on a searchable blacklist.

So "being more selective", I don't believe, will change my approach.  I can honestly say that of the few women I gave my personal information to, it never crossed my mind that it would leak.

Because, in my mind, I was being selective.

Who the fuck cares if a lady will see you or not based on so list. I don't. If blacklists was only view able by providers I would say sure blacklist that NCNS but THEY ARE NOT JUST VIEW ABLE BY PROVIDERS! Many of them are public very public and some on them steal information from the provider only ones. BLACKLISTING IS OUTING THE GUY!

You encourage providers to out clients on these lists for the smallest of offences like a bad review or NCNS. What you are saying encourages guys to lie to providers during screening. This makes this game much more dangerous for all. Even you.

Now I am all for outing on blacklists dangerous men, men who out, stalk, threaten, blackmail, arrest, hit, rape or rob ladies. Hell I am all for outing ladies that d the same. Scum deserve no protection but being a flake and NCNSing a lady or grading low does not make anyone scum. Outing none scum does make you scum. Remember blacklist out people, outing destroys lives. It is that simple.

I grant you that you are free to spout your garbage, but that does not mean that it is not dangerous garbage. It is dangerous garbage, and it is not worth while. It is not worth while because it would lead to a more dangerous situation for all. Plus you go on strange off topic rants in your posts. Add that to your even poorer than mine writing, you post are not worth while.

P.S. I do work to legalize prostitution. I have had many conversations with state representatives and seniors. I donate money to sex worker rights organizations. I have signed federal petitions on the issue. And should the internet escorting go down I will visit legal brothel about two and a half hour away. No yellow pages for e thank you.

I have never been Blacklisted so I don't know what to do about it though.

This thread is depressing. Here is a photo tht makes me smile, it is of Kara from Nubiles.net having some fun. I would like to be her sex toy.

The short answer: Whatever info is available to you. In your case, a lot. If what you say is true, I'm sorry that happened to you.

It sounds like you were dealing with a very emotional, jump the gun type.

Not everyone is going to BL someone for a cancellation- even a last minute one. Some pros have their cancellation policy on their sites for these situations. If not, it may be prudent to ask about these things when booking. Everyone handles cancellations & no-shows differently.

The reality is when you decide to see escorts, you have to accept everything that may come with it.

I see. Another of those idioms that has no basis in fact except that Lou did play baseball. Thanks for the enlightenment.

as with many things in life its a good news / bad news scenerio


bad news is that aint much you can do, if you contact the site they tell you that the provider wouldnt have posted the incident if it didnt happen, even if you never saw her

good news is that if youre like me and have dozens of quality references you can use those BL sites dont mean much and wont affect your ability to hobby at all

btw more good news , I understand that if you can get providers to contact them and vouch for you they will remove the info

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