What do you think is more risky for the hobbyist, Incall or Outcall?  Forgetting the "Neighbors my see her coming in" type stuff during Outcall or "my car might get towed" during Incall, I mean more in terms of running into a dangerous situation with a provider that is not legitimate (yes I know, "then don't see providers without reviews and you won't get robbed"), or getting caught in a bust, which do you think is more risky?

I only Outcall rendezvous at a hotel, until I've had at least one prior rendezvous with the client. Then, I may consider meeting at his/her residence.  

Coming soon, I'll offer Incall to local residents, but again...not until we've had a prior rendezvous at a hotel.  

There's always a risk, when hobbying, so you need to choose what makes you feel the most comfortable.

Let me just say up front I've done quite a bit of outcall with more than a dozen providers this year who did not have prior reviews.  Their ads have to meet certain standards, but having reviews is not necessarily one of them.

In terms of LEO, NO undercover officer or even informant is going to walk into your home, apartment, or hotel room, and let you close and lock the door behind them.  Just never going to happen, and that isn't how sting operations are setup anyway.  Bottom line is that outcall pretty much eliminates any risk of LE for clients.

For other "dangerous" situations, I'm not sure either is any better.  The ideal for a client is probably outcall to a hotel room.  I don't bother with this, since I'm single, and mostly don't give a fuck.  Though various nightmare scenarios involving blackmail or home invasion have crossed my mind, the most common risk on outcalls is the girl will grab the cash and run....which is annoying, but not terribly scary.

In fact, the "scariest" thing to happen this year was a provider who showed up unexpectedly on my doorstep after she had a really awful night asking if she could crash in my guest room.  That was...a bit awkward.

There IS ALWAYS some risk no matter what. Since this is the case always make the smarter, wiser, and better choice.

I always choose incall. I will never do an Outcall to my home.  I think Providers should never use their private residence as an incall either. There are so many reasons why this should be obvious.  The last thing any of us need is a desperate man snooping, lurking, or sneaking around or seeing private information he should not have.  Same goes for men too. Even without trying there is a level of privacy and a boundary to our personal lives we should not cross. Even our absolute favorite and "trusted" client or provider we do not know as well as we think we do.  

There are a few that I have seen whom I feel I could trust, but it is a line of privacy in my personal life that I will not cross,  my lady friends should feel the same.  I know it can make a financial or practical sense for one to host at home,  but think safety and bigger and longer term.  Your home is your castle and haven away from  the stresses of the world and the hobby.  Protect it as so, especially if one has a family or kids.

 Not to mention nosey neighbors. I notice my neighbors cars and actions a lot. Then again I have a heightened sense of awareness of my surroundings due to 15 years in a certain profession.  People watch and know our patterns, even if they are not trying to. They catch on eventually.

the next rule applies, trust your gut. Do your diligence.  Never book with someone you don't feel you know well enough or trust or meet somewhere you do not trust. BP meetings are notorious for meetings gone bad for both parties.  

We all have different levels of danger we are willing to accept son to each their own.

Three rules to hobby by
Be safe
Respect one another
Have fun

Both are equally risky. No hobby safety plan is foolproof. But to reduce the risk, I have a list of hobby rules in this regard. Much more detailed than just don't see unreviewed providers. Those rules have been instrumental in reducing the risks you're concerned about, and others as well. After a while, one develops a second sense about hobby situations. Even so, as I stated, nothing is foolproof. Because of the nature of the hobby, things are going to happen. Sometimes dumb luck is what saves you. Sometimes you don't get saved, and the fall from grace is hard.  

What if you're married, and can't do outcall? What if your relatives work at local hotels? What if the lady has been arrested, and LE can enter her incall without a warrant? What if the lady has been arrested, and has been offered a deal to turn on her clients? What if someone is waiting in the closet? What if the lady is a guy? What if you find out LE is going to random hobbyist homes with the addresses they got from that big website raid? What if it's raid day at your local amp? What if your wonderfully wild atf is just plum crazy? What if there are four LE cars outside her incall? During the session, what if her ex boyfriend starts pounding on her door saying he's going to kill her?  

Yeah, all of those things have been in my hobby experience. As cautious as one might be in this hobby, trouble, from time to time, is unavoidable. Intuition got me out of three of those situations. One was a no brainer. The others it was just dumb f*cking luck. After each dumb luck save I promised god I would never hobby again. But alas, the call of the cock is much more profound than god could ever be, so it was always back to this risky business. Good luck! I'd pray for you, but........

you have vetted the provider properly.

I would hesitate to invite a person into my home unless I was very comfortable with the person already.

There are little quirks to both incall and outcall, that mostly cancel each other out.  For example, if you decide you don't like the looks of the person and might want to bolt, then obviously outcall is going to be a bit dicey.  Doing incall on the other hand means you don't have to worry about the cash and dash scam that occasionally gets aired on this page.

Incall has the advantage that you don't have to bear the expense of a hotel room, which is nice.

Bottom line:   Don't let security issues dictate your choice of incall or outcall

Legit or not hookers or in and outcalls.Promoting business  and writing reviews on sex boards going to jail.

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a little diligence.  Although I don't often do outcall (I would never do it to my residence) if I do , I will meet the lady in the lobby/bar of the hotel and chat awhile before going up to my room.  I know how to lead the conversation to uncover anything suspicious.  

I prefer incall, but will not do it with someone hosting at a hotel.  If its not a residence/apartment setting, I will pass completely.  I think there is more risk in going to an incall at a hotel than any other setting because there are more things that can go wrong.  Likewise, outcall is the riskiest for the provider because she is going into unfamiliar surroundings.

Incall has the LE risk to the client.  Outcall has the LE risk to the provider.   Outcall has a greater criminal element risk to the client -- you have someone inside who could potentially be casing the joint.  They know where you live now, etc.

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I would definitely say incall is more risky. The number of scenarios that can go bad is endless, LOL. That's why you want to stick with reputable girls who provide clean and safe incall locations. On the other hand, outcall is far riskier for the provider especially if it is at the guy's house. I've never had any problems with either.

Reputable professionals going to jail to for conducting and promoting illegal business..Doesn't matter if it's low or high volume professionals-High end or low end professionals going to jail .Doesn't matter if it's high end location or not it's still risky.All level professionals need to have safe and clean locations.Hello It's illegal business that's why clients and professionals worried about the police

I have always felt comfortable with well reviewed, independent and mature providers at their incall (hotel, or condo, or apartment) or my hotel. I say those three things because, I am afraid really young girls (18-24), especially those who work at an agency, could have a pimp, could be trafficed, or homeless or something. ESPECIALLY if they are Russian, Eastern European, or Asian and dont speak fluent english and the agency always has new girls that they keep on travel schedules. I think LE is focused on agencies, massage parlors and use Backpage to sting because its low hanging fruit ... (and rightfully so). If a young Russian girl had her passport stolen and was swept up into human trafficing, I want no part of that and there should be people out there who can help those girls. I am choosing to see more mature, reviewed, independent women working on their own.  

Back in the early 90's before the internet, verification sites and review sites, you called agencies thru the yellow pages. Site unseen, with only a description of the girl over the phone. Sometimes they would come with drivers who would wait in the car, or even stand outside the door. It was sketchy shit. Girls (usually two working together) would leave leaflets on cars outside nightclubs, or near the college. Cash and dash city back then. Verification sites offer secure ways to find, communicate with and set up appointments with many independent girls with pictures, links to websites and twitter accounts. Sites like TER allow you to find someone who is legitimate, currently active and to find someone who fits your physical requirements as well as level of kink. You can find someone who would travel with you, or go to an event with you etc. Its never been easier, more safe and straightforward than it is today. I have been doing this for 22 years and It has never been easier and I have never felt more secure and had better experiences than I have since I joined a verification site, stopped using agencies and started using TER.

I understand the risks, but I think you can greatly reduce the risks by being smart. I understand verification sites have their risks too, I believe Lion had a very valid reason for being afraid to give his personal info to one, which was mentioned in a previous post... word of mouth between girls who are willing to provide references is great. You have to love the digital age. Beyond it becoming legal and heavily regulated, it is as safe is it can be if you are smart about it.

Thanks for all the thoughts!  I'm generally comfortable with the idea of a provider I haven't met before with no reviews in my home, so that aspect doesn't bother me so much, but I've noticed a lot of BP ads will state outcall only, and I have decided to roll the dice on some of them and they all have flaked out, not shown up, etc., while unreviewed BP incalls have worked out fine, so that just seems odd to me and made me wonder if those are generally not legit more often in some way?

What are those standards you're looking for?  If you'd rather, you can message me direct, I'd appreciate it.

I'm selling clients my time. What we do with it, is between us. The last client I saw, he didn't even want sex. We just talked for hours and I enjoyed my wine. I've also had nice dinner dates that sometimes end with sex, and sometimes they don't. Paid companionship is not illegal. Prostitution is illegal. What I'm doing is no different than what a sugar baby does. Only difference is the SD/SB relationship is more exclusive.

It not FREE.......NO MONEY no time or companionship or SB/SD relationship

Business trashing other business.Rolling the dice in illegal business...

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Anyone have a coherent answer?  I don't know wth this guy is talking about.

And, yes, that's damn risky. I've only done it a few times with someone I already knew. In the other cases it was my hotel room.

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minimized either way. I prefer incall because I usually am not staying overnight when I travel.

I have to disagree completely, in my case it's one of the "many" things I like about being single.

You don't consider it a risk to have girls to your home, where I would not do so, except in rare circumstances. So it really comes down to what each of us thinks is more risky for us, which could be very different than someone else.  

Solo mis dos centavos

Every village needs an idiot, we have several to spare.

Please don't think "selling time" is going to keep you out of jail if you end up in the same room with LE. IT WON'T

Fancy is still a moron, but even she is making more sense than you right now.

Like it or not, you are a hooker. That's not a slam or an insult, some of my very best friends are hookers and that is what you are. Denying it just makes you look foolish. Cute, but foolish. lol

No difference for arrests because cops do both incall and outcall.

Getting ripped off more likely during outcall.  Cash and dash.  

An incall girl can fail to provide service but a pre-meditated ripoff would want to run away.

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Every village need ass wipe worry about other and show his ass on a board

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Though only with a couple of LTR's under my belt, I've already learned there are drawbacks to having the ball and chain.

But there are also drawbacks to sleeping alone snuggleless in my big empty bed. Obviously if I had unlimited cash I'd just keep supreme goddess escorts (like the two 10/10s in my reviews) on permanent arrangements. But in the absence of that, yeah I'd be happier with a gf

Very, very, VERY few outcall appts are "on time".  In fact, I now consider within +1hr of the appt time to be "on time".  And also, many BP girls will often flake out.  They fall asleep, their rides (usually a friend or relative) will flake out on them, or maybe they just got a better offer from a regular.  Still the advantage of outcall is that I can do something else, even get some work done, while she figures her shit out.

There is also the chance (slim, IME) that you were actually in contact with an agency/pimp, and not the provider herself.  Either way, if an hour elapses between your last response and hers, just consider the appt cancelled, and contact someone else next time.

There is also the possibility that you are scaring them off though....so be sure to communicate only as much as necessary; limit your discussion to date, time, location, duration, price.