I see so many ads for 'outcall only'. Other than the obvious reason, not being able to afford an incall site, why do outcall only? Seems to me, incall would be much safer for you than going to a strange guy's house or hotel room, knowing very little about him.
Would really appreciate some insight from the ladies. Guys, don't bother to reply, I want to hear from the gals, not you and your speculations.
Ladies, feel free to PM me if you don't want to give a public answer, but I really am curious.
Thanks in advance girls,
Swim
Add an hour to 90 min. to the time we are being paid for, plus the added annoyance of having to park, possibly pay to park, walk through the hotel in full attire, find the damn room in some of these bohemiths, change when we get in, do the deed, change AGAIN, fix our faces to look like we did not just get fked, walk out with a wad of cash alone at night... um, no fkin thanks lol.
You are right... the only reason I can think of outcall only is they don't want to spring for a room or don't have an incall. They are twice as much trouble for half the pay. Is that the HONEST answer you were looking for lol.
Swim on General Board.. What else we want? Lets rip him apart.. :
don't worry, I don't plan on intervening. but I do find it amusing that swim would make the mistake of "demanding' that only women respond to his OP. Any one who has been here this long should know that that is like blood in the water to a shark,
I will confess, you sound like someone who has been waiting for this opportunity for quite some time. I hope you get your money's worth. lol
I like swim.. Don't get me wrong. He gives some good advice to the newbies, and has lot of patience.. But geez."Guys, please don't respond..." I mean even Taylor has stopped doing that lately...
and that's why I said that swim was on his own here, but he is a bit out of shape after spending a couple of years almost exclusively on the Newbie board, so don't be too hard on him. Give him a chance to get in "fighting shape" before going after him too hard. lol
We should be easy on him a little bit, so he stays a little longer.. 
...Shye on the L.A. board. She PM's him when she's about to post so he can immediately respond how great she is. He's clearly the winner of Mangina of the Year now that the K-boys have their own board.
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Ok, he's a huge fucking mangina. lol
You aren't right very often, but this is one of those rare times.
mangina to you because he knows how to talk to a woman respectfully on the boards?.......NOT a mangina. Not even close. I think you need to come up with a new definition of a 'mangina'.
He can come knock on my door anyday.
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You thrive on manginas, if it weren't for manginas you couldn't make a living. It's no wonder that Swim is exactly the kind of guy you want to see on these boards. He is the type of guy that would never call you out for anything you did wrong here, unlike those of us with spines. (Sorry Swim, but it's true)
FWIW Swim is not the only mangina that I like Scoed and I are good friends and he is not only a mangina, he is Mister Mangina around here. If you don't believe me, just ask him.
Most of the hookers really despise much of the chat here...especially when the terms like hooker are used LOL
But if you chat with these same gals they have little interest in the mangina crowd IRL. They post their drivel to attract them for sessions..and it seems to work for many here.
Think about it...how many London's post not caring about offending a prospect? Not many.
I would be willing to bet you 10,000 bitcoins (shit...now they're only worth $ 1.47) that Taylor would never ever fucking date a Swim type guy. Nope...she's likely to gravitate to clowns like CPA, GaG, Panthera and such. Yep...I'd be willing to double down on that bet too LOL
And the reality is that the Taylor's know that you, I and Pan would treat them the way they deserve to be treated. And that we wouldn't lay down and shrivel up at the first sign of a confrontation. Most women like strong and assertive in men...but to extrapolate the bullshit on these boards as how a woman would really want to have as a BF/SO....not a fucking chance in most cases. Fortunately there are enough domineering women that will indeed want the Swim's as companions....and they better stay in line or she'll beat the shit out of them. Kind of like that OP the other day who really wanted a ProDomme to beat the shit out of him.
Something for everyone
Posted By: GaGambler
You thrive on manginas, if it weren't for manginas you couldn't make a living. It's no wonder that Swim is exactly the kind of guy you want to see on these boards. He is the type of guy that would never call you out for anything you did wrong here, unlike those of us with spines. (Sorry Swim, but it's true)
FWIW Swim is not the only mangina that I like Scoed and I are good friends and he is not only a mangina, he is Mister Mangina around here. If you don't believe me, just ask him.
hit some key points for sure, perhaps you do understand the Taylor's of this world, perhaps......
But first off let's clarify, this Taylor hasn't 'dated' for over a year now and won't for a very long time......it's a ridiculous world out there and in my eyes I am here because the guys out there are the true 'manginas'. They have absolutely no balls and you're damn straight I walked over most of them...with ease. HUGE turnoff. I was like you've got to be kidding. Kiss my ass, kiss his ass, kiss your ass lol
You are correct about one thing only...that it would take a ridiculously secure gentleman to 'date' me in the real sense.....he'd have to be uber confident, more than my equal and he would have to entertain me in a way that would continually challenge me or I would get bored easily. I'm deff not the kind of woman who wants and strives for diamonds or a porsche or a fucking pony LOL.....would just like a true man on the level...a MAN, no different than most women in any world.
Now let's get to the point.....THIS is a TRUE mangina in my book.......and sad to say they come a dime a dozen in 'that' world, not this one and you know it. Let's take this guy for example, he's a friend of mine forever struggling with the same damn issue...so of course altho I am petite and sweet as butter 
had to give it to him straight with another text whipping because he's continually beating himself over the head after years with an ex who cheated on him. I'm like Jesus Age Christ already, would you get over it. Get some balls or I'll let you borrow some of mine and then GET OVER IT. MANGINA alert...I even offered to take him to a strip club, again MANGINA alert. Cry cry cry whine whine whine with no strength to pick themselves off the ground and make their life better. Give me a damn break. Pussy. Ridiculous. Mangina.
So you see my mangina is clearly not the same as yours. The guys here have balls at least (in my eyes) and are respectful and most certainly know how to treat a woman most of all and speak to her without cowering......definitely NOT a mangina. And yes Swim is EXACTLY the kind of guy I would be honored to see here.....you guys just don't get it. Who wouldn't want to? I have to believe I'm not alone here. Where is Swim anyhow? lol the Northeast?
So the moral of the story is....unless the Swim's of this world are acting like the manginas of the other world, please stop calling them that damn word already....cause clearly they aren't.
Sorry for the novel again people. CPA has a way of striking a chord lol.
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anyone's job to call anyone out on what they do 'wrong' here....are you the TER King now? It's your opinion....and it's certainly your opinion only on the sayings of what I have posted as 'wrong' while many think it's right or at least 'just'. This entire board is 'interpretation' based as well as the review system...don't you get that yet? Where's 'justanillusion' ...........
And again GAG, I must correct you.....this is where you and I will always have a simple disagreement on 'men' on these boards and such. If you honestly think a gentleman having a 'spine' by spelling out what he thinks is 'wrong' according to his own interpretation is NOT a mangina, then you see my friend, we will always disagree. That to me is the sole definition of what a mangina truly is........IMHO of course
Having a 'spine' most of the time appears to be a 'spineless coward' if you ask me.
Let's just say Swim as well as few other 'gentlemen' who do speak on these boards without judgment and without criticism according to their own opinions, are what I feel are the True Kings of TER. They just don't have time for nonsense.
The person who came up with 'mangina' must be the King Mangina himself.
Maybe you should go for it, you like 50ish hookers, don't you?
Remember, you owe me one for this, lol
are you jealous?
He owes you what exactly? You are kidding, yes?
He's a complete gentleman on his own without any help from you I'm afraid lol. However, you could learn from this gent Gag. In the meantime, would you let gooooo of the 50 crap already lol. Geezk you make me feel decades older than I am dammit. Aren't you turning 95 this year?
Posted By: GaGambler
Maybe you should go for it, you like 50ish hookers, don't you?
Remember, you owe me one for this, lol
Secretly I have always wanted a 50 year old hooker to have a crush on me too. I guess I will have to see two twenty somethings today to make up for it. lol
and when I am 95 I will wear it proudly, even if I have to hire someone to type my posts for me at that age. You should learn how to wear 50, I am well over fifty myself and having the time of my life, but I guess admitting your true age wouldn't be good for business. Don't worry, I am sure Swim will still love you even if it turns out that you are actually 60, that's the beauty about "gentlemen" (manginas) like him. He'll never judge you, while guys like me consider one of the main purposes of TER is one of judgment, otherwise why would we have a rating system in the first place?
Oh, crush "on" you, not "crush you". Sorry, my bad. lol
You better hurry though, she just invited herself to join me on whatever beach I find myself on. but I would hate to stand in the way of "true love" so you two go ahead without me.
Incall costs money..? Right? $$$$.... Remember those $20 that come out of the ATM machine? When they come out, your account balance goes down by the same amount.. Same principle when you use your debit card.. OK..So we got that one squared away.. Stay with me now newbie..Come to Washington D.C - The Home of Washington Nationals, room is about $250-350 on a week day. So bacially if you don't have at least 2 hrs booked on that day, you are in red.
Lets move on to the next concept.. Business model... If a hooker wants to operate in such a way that she doesn't want to spend $1000-1500 on a rental apartment or more money on 4-5 days of hotel stay, her opting for 'outcall' only makes perfect sense. She can do an appointment every couple of days and keep her expenses to bare minimum (basically gas only) and still earn a decent living. Makes perfect sense if you have a regular, civvie job..
Now talking about safety. Yes, granted that going to someone's house is a little weird but trust me, lot of gals are willing to do it. I used to have gals over at my apartment all the time, when I was renting back in my 20s. Its even safer to go to a hotel room and being able to leave if the guy is a creep, than having to kick guy out of your apartment or hotel room...
So various reasons it makes perfect sense to be outcall friendly - if it suits your business model..
And this ain't no speculation. This is a theory or POV.
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I used to do incalls. In NYC, you WILL increase your profits...but most of the dudes who like incall are the ones looking for convenience. They want a girl they can see all the time, conveniently located by Grand Central station so they can 'pop in' on a few hours notice after work.... Great $$, but all shorter dates, feeling on call, etc.
I do longer dates now...for an average date of over 1.5k, it's really no great shakes for me to get a room. But most of my dates are visitors, or I go to the dude's residence. I've never felt unsafe with any client. I've had bad experiences w/both outcall and incall, but they've never been dangerous, just assholes.
I've never spent as much on hotels in a month as I'd spend on an incall (at least 2k)...I might in January, but I'll also be making more.
It's not so much about being able to afford an incall as not wanting the overhead. I make enough already to cover bills and I have tons of free time...why do I want to sign myself to work more? I'd prefer to work less...so I can devote more time to my other business and pursuits. When I did incall before, escorting (and going out) was pretty much my life...
To justify the expense and hassle, I'd have to book at least a few extra dates per month. Which means that I'd have to work MORE...and possibly accept some of those dates that I've refused in the past. Possibly also offer short dates.
To me, it feels more private to make individual arrangements. Some guys tell me they feel the same...I come to their place, or get a place just for US. I'm not 'hosting' them and ten other guys that week
unless on tour of course. Outcalls work best for couple multiple hour dates per week while incalls are best for multiple one hour dates per day.
When I started i ONLY did outcalls. Then as I became full time provider I probably did 50/50 depending on the kind of date.
As for safety - I would rather be on the gent's territory than in my incall. Proper screening takes care of dangers of being at some strange guy's house/hotel room. Plus if for some reason the guy does turn out to be an asshole .. he is more likely to behave well if I am at his house/hotel room.
Nobody wants some pissed off hooker trashing their hotel room (especially on business trips) or screaming profanities in front of his neighbors.
For me, it is basically a cost vs. return problem. I prefer outcall, but I am not outcall ONLY. I'll happily get a hotel room if needed (with an advance deposit). If I were available more frequently, maintaining an incall would be feasible. But since I have an extremely low "volume", the expense isn't worth it to me.
Also, it's less of a time investment. If I had an apartment/condo, I'd have to make sure it was clean, well-stocked with beverages/snacks, etc. When I travel to an outcall, I don't have to think about any of that. Something to consider for you guys who see ladies at their incalls; if they have provided all the comforts you could think of, make sure to thank them for it. 
I have other women who maintain the lease on the places I use when I am not around to use them. It's a win/win for me.
What you said about the snacks, alcohol, etc. is exactly why I can't stand outcalls... I have to actually lug all that crap up with me, then plate it from the containers it is in. PITA lol.
When you go to outcall, you are not expected to provide refreshments...
On the other hand, I always ask if they'd like anything to drink and have soda, juice or beer in the fridge.
Then after the session, we sometimes grab a bite to eat at the bar...
For Vegas I can see it being simpler because most clients want you to come to their room.
I don't do outcall for too many reasons. Also, being in an unfamiliar person's house fucking to the sound of silence is never fun.
Posted By: swimtrekr
I see so many ads for 'outcall only'. Other than the obvious reason, not being able to afford an incall site, why do outcall only? Seems to me, incall would be much safer for you than going to a strange guy's house or hotel room, knowing very little about him.
Would really appreciate some insight from the ladies. Guys, don't bother to reply, I want to hear from the gals, not you and your speculations.
Ladies, feel free to PM me if you don't want to give a public answer, but I really am curious.
Thanks in advance girls,
Swim
LOL. Add to that there are GUNS and CAMERAS that can be hidden in a personal home... fk a guy in his wife's bed while she's out of town? No way in HELL. Guys also tend to have the bright porn star lighting, tv on when you arrive, etc. I do incall because I set the mood and the atmoshpere for a GFE, and I am also at liberty to let him stay as long as I want. If I am in some cold hotel room, I can't wait to get out of it. Seriously, I don't get how some women can stay couped up for HOURS in a one or two room place. I would go nuts! Where do you sit? The bed, in most cases because guys on business rarely rent suites. The company pays for a damn room with just a bed, a table, maybe a bar, and a bathroom.
All of the incalls I have shared have at least 5 rooms where you can run around. If I did hourly dates, probably would not be such a hassle, but then again, an outcall would take me 2 hours to accomplish and I would only be paid for one. I guess I would rather spend more money, and deal with less hassle lol. Same reason I shop at Winn Dixie opposed to Walmart... hassle is not worth the money saved. Married men do not want to put a hotel room in their name, so that's my biggest marketing factor...90 percent of guys I see demand incall, and not some one room studio.
Where does one park when going to a personal home? Do they take their own car so anyone can snag the LP number to find out who they are? Do they take a cab, that raises suspicion with neighbors? Never got that. Far too risky for me on all counts. I don't shit where I eat and I won't take a shit on a wife's bed.
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I'm not outcall only, but I've done a ton of outcall and prefer it, hands down. I will only do an incall if the room is paid for by a client (b/c I only do exclusive incalls without multiple clients), and I don't want to invest in a static incall b/c it's too permanent. I don't like to work often, and working to pay an additional rent a month is working too much for me. I might be lazy though. It's good there are incall ladies for all those guys who prefer incall. As far as parking goes, when I've visited outcalls with my car, I've parked in clients' garages (only those I know really well who are trying to be discreet) or driveways (single clients without nosy neighbors) or on the street. I've carried a briefcase, when needed to appear as a professional. But it's never been an issue, and I've never concerned myself w/ a client getting my name from my license plate; I have his from screening after all. What's good for the goose....IDK, it's never been an issue though. But this is my comfort level and I don't expect it to be for everyone, so it's good there's different strokes for us all.
When I do outcalls to casinos or hotels, I park in the parking lot or ramp, unless I'm seeing a client who likes to party and I might have a few drinks; then, I take a cab.
As far as fucking in a wife's bed, you're a better person than me. loll
Yup, You are probably in a high rent area... you could have three incalls in the south for what you would probably pay for one where you live. I rent my incalls out to other providers I know and trust, and I have their real names before I do. That's how I can get by only seeing 2 or 3 guys a month, and still have incalls everywhere I go... someone else is paying for them lol. I also have a real job now, so don't mind the extra money.
In Vegas and NYC, I have been told that outcall providers are who make the most money, but where I live... just the opposite. Guys spending the big bucks expect to be taken care of, and they will not get their own room, unless they are visiting. I always give my outcalls to other providers who prefer them.
you ladies can't control your environment. Ever wonder if their were other people in the room, suite or house? Or if there were "lights, camera, action!" for his & his buddies viewing pleasure later? Or even worse, on an amateur porn site.
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So that qualifies me to answer your question. What was the question?
Can't stop laughing!! Having not heard the word "dingbat" in ages Ha Ha Ha
Cooking and spray tans, hmmmmm!
xoxo,
Steph
I personally have done both. There is a benefit to both, depending on each individual situation. I'm not sure I understand your statement about not being able to 'afford' an incall site...I don't understand that. Include it in the rate or add it as an additional expense at least as an option for gents who literally can't provide the location for discretion. So that confuses me a bit.
Boys.......Swim is sweet, leave him be. Yes I'm WK'ing for you or would it be WQ'ing then LOL. Either way, please stay Swim, you are a true gentleman.
He had recently earned back his man card. I issued it for a year but I can still revoke it if he weeps at your reply.
We revoked his card years ago, and if I remember correctly, he wasn't even eligible to re apply for another one for another five years or so.
And I am always cheritable at this time of year. You should have seen the look on his face. It was like he was just baptized, a look of astoinshhment, fright and gratitude all wrapped up in one.
The fine print says revocation at my discretion.
Swim is a "nice" guy, but one of the biggest manginas on the boards.
I would say the newbie board suits his personality, unlike the previous two mods on that board which included yours truly. I also modded this board AND the P&R board at the time. I was in serious danger of developing "multiple personality disorder" after a couple of years of keeping order in a place like P&R, but having to be "nice" on the Newbie board. lol
As for Swim's man card, I also hope he read the fine print where it says that "Panthera's man card" is not necessarily accepted universally, and that said card might be rejected by others, even if not revoked by the issuing party.
It will be revoked January 2nd at which time I will stop being so damn nice to everyone.
don't weep. They simply read and move on without the likes of what most on here have to say keeping to themselves (my kinda guy)
Now, Panthera, if you're going back to a big ol' meanie, I appreciate the warning, I'll be sure to stay clear. However, if I may make a suggestion, I would blend the two if possible....ya know, nice and mean, that might go over much better with some here, not me of course, but some.
See Gambler, told you it wasn't just 'me' with all the 'like' and 'nice' talk. Perhaps you need to drink some of that 'love' juice too...you're extremely confrontational coming back on after a lil distance....did you miss TER that much? Do you need a hug? I give those away for free but you have to come to me of course. Or are you just a big ol' Grinch......if Panthera's not a Grinch right now, you shouldn't be either.
I am unpredictable and can turn on a dime, especially when tempted or provoked. Never waive a raw steak and yell "come and get it" while running away. It will guarantee a chase but maybe not the anticipated result of being caught.
Cool for a blend?
works hahaha and I pictured it too...remember I'm a very 'visual' chica myself. Ya know, men have their periods too sometimes worse I have noticed...ahem, unpredictable and turn on a dime...sounds like PMS symptoms to me lol.
Nonetheless, cute......psssstttt....I won't tell too many people how much you missed me hahahahahhahaha, sorry I dont' feel like being a 'good girl' today more like a brat.........but I do like your 'uplifting' moods these days...keepm comin. You should rub them off on GAG as of late...he's a grumpy ol' bear and he's even gotten Tica laid, go figure. Some people are just never happy LOL
Off to shop...btw, I HATE shopping. Perhaps I could convince you to shop for me, can I put you on a leash too for the full roleplay scenario? It is very suiting, no? LOL Maybe not, cats do like their freedom and they don't go for walks. Nevermind. But I bet I made you giggle.
It's not a question of affordability, I just don't see the benefit.
If I were doing mostly dates where I had to get the room, and it was costing me tons of money...I'd definitely consider it. But that's not the case.
I don't necessarily want to 'expand' my business and have to work more just to justify the added expense/arrangements. I'd have to do about 4k/month worth of *additional* dates to make an incall worth it for me. And of that 4k...+ or - 1.5k would actually make it into my pocket, after rent and expenses.
there are days on my calendar that I state outcall only.
Those days I don't plan to work if I do its a one client deal and don't mind coming into the city for an outcall.
Many of my clients have beautiful homes and I love visiting them.
Ill do outcall only on a day I cant devote to incall all day but don't mind seeing one Gent or sometimes two in the city.
I have clients that I visit for outcall only. Some are not able to come to me for various of reasons, so I will drive to them. I don't live in a heavily populated area, so a short drive(an hour or less) doesn't bother me. I won't ever go on an outcall in a unsettling area. Most requests are either in a private neighborhood or a beach town. My schedule varies so I try to provide an incall for my regular friends during the week and keep the weekends open for outcalls. Safety is always a concern, but I have never felt threatened while on an outcall
and I don't have a permanent incall, and I don't charge extra even if I'm paying for the incall for just one client (which happens frequently). AND I charge extra for outcall. Thus, my profit is MUCH higher for outcall than incall, and yet I still prefer to do incall. The ability to control my own environment is worth that much to me.
I seldom if ever do outcall anymore..
but occasionally, I really enjoy it ( really nice upscale hotel in town) or one of my favorite clients home or office.. Gosh, It is been a while since I have played on a conference room table..
It is nice sometimes to just do something out of the ordinary..
Understand all your concerns about both situations.
Swim
I use to do mainly outcalls. It was just easier.
However, the past two years I have been converting over and mainly do incall only now. All my friends that visit me are repeat friends or ones that have a reliable reference/screened.
I find it is easier to have all my supplies in one place. There is no hotel staff or guests that could be an issue. Everything is personally cleaned by me. There are always fresh linens and towels on hand.
The atmosphere overall is more intimate and we don't have to worry about any interruptions.
For me the change is one that fits my lifestyle and comfort. And from the responses I have gotten my friends enjoy it just as much...
I do not have to pay for a private incall PLUS, I can arrive early to scope out the area to see if everything site right with me. Plus, I don't have to worry about the extra work of setting up the room, refreshments, etc. So much better.
