If you think badly named "Net Neutrality" legislation would protect sex workers' rights you are poorly informed. We should all be grateful that was stricken down. And that goes for well beyond the hobby.
Congratulations on killing this hobbyland...will soon be like never neverland
It was bipartisan ( Introduced by Senator Portman as a reaction to Backpage) with 27 cosponsors on both sides. With almost no votes nay. 388 to 25 and 97 to 2.
Trump certainly would not have come up with these laws. You think Hilary would have vetoed? She would be more likely to sponsor the bill!
You think Trump or most of the other politicians understood what the law does or the 1st amendment implications? Or how ineffective it may actually be at doing what it purports to do?
You think politicians are aware of the secondary effects of most things they do?
No, come on, of course not. This is what we used to call in economics class an externality. Unanticipated side effect of policy.
Who's going to stick their neck out against "Stopping Sex Trafficking.....?"
You wouldn't if you're sitting up there right now. Unfortunately many laws are created thusly.
Sometimes they do much more atrocious things than massively inconveniencing tens of thousands of hobbyists just trying to get a discreet, nsa nut and hardworking, nontrafficked providers trying to make a living. And putting some successful creative fringe entrepreneurs who did not traffic out of business. In the grand scheme of things, we are small potatoes to the real whores in DC.
I'm just glad I got to meet so many wonderful ladies and will attempt to stay in touch with the ones that I can still find. Hopefully TER will survive as a business, just so we can stay in touch. It certainly is going to be interesting to see how the hobby evolves to satisfy this market. Would have made for an interesting study if I had been driven to be an academic. Almost certainly it would have gotten university funding!
Hillary would have signed it in a heart beat too. And then everyone would have trotted out something about landmark women's empowerment blah blah and sex worker voices would have been even more lost than before.
Sex workers rights is a lose lose situation in the U.S. Civvie women got their tinders and middle class gay folks got their marriage. Not that I'm dissing on them but all these achievements were due to the activism of sex workers. Now that the moral right is coming and has figured out the language to appeal to the left, this is going to be an even more uphill battle.
Bill would not allow Hillary to sign this, because Bill like to trick.
You don't really think Bill wears the pants in that house ....do you? Hillary knew little intern was polishing his knob...for her, that just meant one less thing to deal with.
As much as Trump is an awful President... I also thought about the unusual bipartisan support this effort had. We have to accept that the majority of folks have an immediate negative reaction to our community.. they don't understand how most of it works..
This bill had Amy Schumer (Chuck's neice) and Seth Meyers doing PSA's for it.
Only Rand Paul (R but really Libertarian) in the Senate voted against, as did one Democratic Senator from Oregon( no doubt his seat is safe). This is a midterm election year. Only 25 in the House were in safe enough seats to vote against.. so what will be the case if any to provoke a Supreme Court Challenge, and when if ever would that be? We'll all find out together.
Perhaps if they called it the "Jack the Ripper Returns" bill it may not have passed, or even been voted on. I wish they'd focus more on cutting spending and growing the economy, but those are too difficult, it seems.
Because men would rather pay for pussy, than fuck Amy Schumer period!
The bill passed with a veto-proof majority. So had he vetoed it, the House and Senate would simply have voted again and the bill would have become law anyway.
Hillary wouldn't have appointed a moron like Jefferson Bouregard Sessions as AG who is a fundamentalist asshole and is behind this.. He in bad with the boss and this is red meat he can throw to Trump's moron base. I'm no Hillary fan but would NOT have happened under her.
AG's are supposed to enforce laws, not pick and choose. Selective enforcement is the stuff of banana republics.
Both social conservatism and liberal progressivism are authoritarian ideologies. They're both trying to force people to behave in certain ways. They both hate individual freedom.
Which is why almost all Democrats voted for it. Hillary would have signed it with great enthusiasm.
#MeToo gave this bill the push across the goal line. Senate Dems like Kamala Harris pushed this from the women’s rights side, while Republicans pushed it from the law and order aspect.
As far as saying a Clinton AG wouldn’t back it, but Sessions would? Wrong on that count too. The Department of Justice warned the Senate that they believed certain aspects of this bill were unconstitutional. Senate passed it anyway.
and I am no supporter. The feminists, on the left, are as much to blame. SW is an easy target. But the big picture is that it is a way to stomp on our first amendment rights. Why is no one upset about that? Can't take away your bump stocks, because that is a slippery slope, but you take away my right, as a adult, to see adult content. Seriously? What next will the government censor? Years ago they banned books, now this. Forget the hobby, real rights are being stomped on and half you guys, will never say a word about it. You only speak up, under aliases, on hobby boards. Get real.
The hobby is not dead, just need to readjust some things and it won't be as easy to catch up on the "latest". We will survive this.
That's a saying I've heard in legal circles (full disclosure, I'm not an attorney). BP allowed itself to become a prime target in the anti-trafficking crusade when it became known through their internal emails that they suggested revised wording for ads that initially indicated young, possibly underage, providers. Then they added another nail to the coffin by establishing shell companies to move money around, which left them wide open to money laundering charges. And now the coup de grace is that the CEO is taking a plea deal which will involve testifying against the founders.
If we want to play the "what if" game, what if BP had done in private what they claimed to be doing in public? What if they hadn't let greed and arrogance cloud their better judgment? I know where I think the finger of blame should point.
What is happening now is exactly why we MUST engage in political discussion. The last political wave put us on a course toward totalitarianism. This censorship is a classic symptom. Same thing happened in Wiemar Germany. Everybody blindly followed and trusted one asshole who made politics simple for them. He threw them red meet of cleaning up the sex trade in Berlin. He also threw them the Jews. We can't bury our heads in the sand.
They did take away bump stocks, didn't they?
Not a gun owner personally, but ultimately if you take away the 2nd amendment, 1st amendment goes away immediately after...and the only ones left able to protect themselves are the government and the criminals after that.
Our constitutional freedoms, even eroding as they are, are what still distinguish us from all the other "free" countries.
Without the Second Amendment, the rest of the Bill of Rights is merely suggestion.
A bite here, a bite there...there go your rights...
Read up on the Civil War. (Spoiler: it did not go well for the rebels.)
"took away" bump stocks, they just quit selling them. I didn't get any memo about turning mine in to anyone. Its like the assault rifle ban of some years ago. Those of us that had AR-15's, AK-47's and Tec-9's just stuck them in the gun safe until the climate changed again.
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I'm Voting "Libertarian" the Next Election. Our "Free Speech" and "Right to be Happy" in this Country is under DIRECT ASSAULT, from both sides Liberal & Conservative Politicians. If I want to "Provide Companionship" & enjoy My "Sex Life" Via the "Hobby" its My Personal Decision and right as a Woman to do So! Hopefully we get a "Split Gov't" in 2018 and they will have to be forced to "Negotiate w/each other" to Pass ANY & ALL New Bill/Laws. "Otherwise Nothing Gets Done!"
-GiGi Amour
That was my message in 2016. Vote for anybody you like as long as its not Democrat or Republican. Untilwe break the 2 party system both sudes will just continue to become more polarized and radical stupidity will reign.
These bills were overwhelmingly supported by Republicans, and Trump is who signs bills into law. I'm not a Democrat but I'm not blind. Dems have long supported net neutrality and online freedoms. Republicans have been pushing back against them for some time. Now was their chance to get it done.
Personally, I am betting on stupid.
These bills were overwhelmingly supported by Democrats too. Did you even read your own link to see the number of Democratic co sponsors?
If you think badly named "Net Neutrality" legislation would protect sex workers' rights you are poorly informed. We should all be grateful that was stricken down. And that goes for well beyond the hobby.
This was gonna happen...
Regardless of who sat in the White House. The sex trade is deemed illegal in the U.S.
Even a tug job from a massage parlor can earn you bracelets. People who are open minded enough to see it as it is are a huge minority.
From bible thumpers, to prudes, to sex denying soccer mom's using their pussies to keep their castrated spouses in line. The United States is full of people who think they know what is best for everyone else. Be it individuals, or groups with lobbiest's on the Hill.
Just imagine if it were legal, or even just accepted...
What would Jane be able to hold over Dick, so that he would remain subservient to her?
Voting for it was the Politically correct thing to do, for both parties. After all which party want to be the party that's in favor with child prostitution? Republicans have their pedophiles so the Dem didn't want that sort of tag on them...But my guess, and this is just a guess..Is that 80 percent of House republicans, in their core believed in this while I'd say 50 percent of the Dem actually favored this..and here's the kicker, I bet trump had no ideal what he signed.
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So you're saying 50% of democrats will vote for stuff they don't believe in, while only 20% of republicans will.
to look at it. Lol
It's not ALL "stuff". Got that?
And I'll say your typical liberal is a virtue signalling milksop. But that's just my opinion.
Kamala Harris was the driving force. Back in 2016, when she was attorney general in California, she charged BP owners with a multitude of crimes, only to be laughed out of court and the charges dismissed. Now, as an elected senator form my home state of CA, she came up with this law to destroy the industry by making websites liable for content put on their sites by third parties using the ruse of "child sex trafficking". Just wondering how other sites like youtube, FB, etc now feel if they were to be held to the same standard. This could only be the beginning of a new age regarding internet publishing
I can call myself an escort, prostitute, or a sex worker, there are stereotypes associated with this job and none of them are great.
I am feeling really bitter honestly. I wish feminists/leftists studied their histories more carefully and modern day leftists were more familiar with their histories, and the sex wars.
But hey history repeats itself. It is more useful to malign sex workers, and to leave them in the dust to "look respectable" than to ACTUALLY tackle the real world issues at hand.
Trafficking is something I've seen first hand. It's not something I've experienced personally (there but for the grace of God go I) but I can tell you, criminlizing sex workers and their clients is not going to help victims.
And if they truly wanted to target victims, they'd think about folks working in agriculture. Hell they'd look more closely at all the domestic staff of all the politicians. But none of them is "sexy". So hey to win some useless points, go after sex workers.
It's both disgusting and heartbreaking.