Thank you for your jumping into the "battle of fantasy fulfillment."
I agree it is not for everyone and there are those who like them, and those that like them at first but over time many providers get bored with the rides at Disneyland. Those providers move on to something more enjoyable. I too must move on to the next adventure. I am not for everyone. Nor do I want to be. My goal is to make my providers happy. To see the joy in their face. To see that smile or that tear of joy. I am glad you enjoy the experience. Now time to reload. Keep well! Thanks, I hope Mr. Lion can put his roar back where it belongs.My experience in this world has taken me from the hour dates to now multiple hour dates, dinner dates, overnights and travel dates. I have moved from a roll in the sheets to now full blown events with multiple providers as well as a complete list of supporting cast members. I have learned that a dream is but a dream unless others participate. My events have become more and more elaborate as I now live out my provider's fantasies and not just my own.
I am curious if there are others evolved into these events with your providers? If you are interested please PM me and I would be will to share examples of the events I have put on.
Because I spend a lot of money on these events I do require my providers to write a recollection of the experience to compare my impressions with their impressions. It helps me to fine tune future events. Do any of you ask for a 360 from your providers? Or is this too strange? A number of my providers tell me I am unique. But to each his own.
There are many guys whose fantasy would like to be Hugh Heffner. You might be unique when it comes to asking a woman for a 360.
I never thought of the Hugh Heffner experience. I have done a few adventures with fellow pooners and those can be fun as well. For some providers the 360 is nothing more than a thank you for a great time and what they liked. For others, it is a recollection through their eyes. I have learned what is of importance to and how to make my adventures more enjoyable.
I thought the 360 was a euphemism for getting pegged.
I thought he was referring to a real spinner, doing a one or more full rotations around his pole.
To each his own but, to me, your way sounds like way too much work. Glad you're having fun though. Personally, I've enjoyed the friendships that have evolved with a select few women.
Yes, Jake, it can be a lot of work but I do have others that help me. Concegiare and some providers will help with details. I have a personal assistant who helps out and kind of likes setting it up for my providers. To be honest it can be fun like getting Christmas presents and anticipating how they will react to the event.
It is not for everyone but I am a pleaser so I enjoy getting providers to say WOW! I like to watch them light up. Yes, it can lead to friendships and long-term paid relationships. Like I say to each his own. I just wondered if anyone else likes to do similar things with your providers.
Oh, Jake please do not get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a simple role in the hay. I use to do it all the time. Only now I seek more, much more from my providers. Not saying that is right or wrong. I just enjoy it more building on the physical thing with more emotions. Yes, I know some guys might say we do not pay for emotions and it is just a physical thing. I guess for them that might be the case for me I like more. A lot more.
Wanting a fantasy is MUCH different that wanting genuine emotions.
I know this should go unsaid, but you can't buy "emotions", you can buy an "act", but genuine emotions can't be bought or sold. I seriously hope you aren't deluding yourself into believing some hooker is going to develop actual feelings for you just because you ask her to, or even worse try to buy from her.
I've dated a lot of hookers over the years and have been friends with countless others and it's almost universal how they feel about guys who try to "buy their love" and the only feelings they develop for those guys are feelings of disgust and derision, with maybe a few having sympathy, but by no means do they develop the kind of emotions that it appears you are looking for. I say "appear to" be looking for in the hopes that you just expressed yourself badly and that you don't honestly believe that emotions are for sale.
Gambler,
Sorry if you misunderstand. It is the emotion of happiness or joy, excitement, much like you get going to the movies. I guess it started by taking a young lady to New York to see a play and during it she cried. I was blown away by that. I then experimented with other events like a birthday party where I had 9 piece band perform for her over a special dinner prepared for her. Once again the joy was overwhelming. I learned I am a pleaser so I love to watch the emotion on the face of a lady when little things can impact their lives in a moment. I try to create experiences like the young lady in Berlin and she got to be a "Bond girl" in an afternoon with a car chase, fight scene, climbing out a hotel window, her being tied up and stuffed in an Aston Martin. For her in the moment it was real.
Or one where the young lady got to be Cinderella for the night. It is about creating moments! so many great moments.
So emotions where they feel so good about themselves. Much like "the Make a Wish" program. But I get to see it and live it with my provider.
You seriously must have a LOT of time on your hands. lmao
If this brings you pleasure, as I said before, "I certainly don't want to piss on your parade". It's not my thing, but it doesn't need to be, as long as "no animals were hurt during the filming of this movie" I don't see why anyone would object to what you are doing. However, you did ask about the 360 questionnaire, so I will answer you honestly, which is something I doubt you are going to get from any of these girls who I am assuming you are paying thousands of dollars to enact these little fantasies with/for. I seriously think surveying the people you pay to have sex/fantasies with is a complete waste of time and energy on both sides, yours and theirs, and I doubt seriously you are going to get honest feedback by doing so.
Lastly, do you really need to take a survey to discover that women (people in general actually) like the "little things" like getting her a cup of coffee in the morning. If you really need a survey to know such things you are more out of touch than even I thought you were. So yes, I do agree you are "strange" but you most certainly have the right to be strange as long as no one is getting hurt, and nothing you have said would lead anyone to believe that anyone involved is not a willing participant, but yes you are one strange duck IMHO. lmao
diamonds, sapphires, rubies, emeralds, etc.
Thanks for YHO. it is respectfully accepted. That is why I asked. So thanks.
Next time I'll try to find tickets for a better play.
asking someone to write down something about your time together is a bit creepy on the face of it, concerns about blackmail and worse being what they are.
Myself, I would also like to arrange elaborate and extravagant outings, and I once had the bank to do so, but now have to contend with more sublime pleasures.
A multi-day trip to Bali with two gals was the high point of my excess.
Mr. Fisher,
I guess it could be considered "creepy" but my purpose is to learn what they liked and what worked vs what did not and I won't do that again. Based on these recollections I have learned that a simple thing like getting my provider coffee after an overnight can be powerful. Or having live music at an event is much more enjoyable than recorded music. Learning a dream is just a dream unless others participate to make the fantasy more believable. Blending reality with the fantasy makes things more real for all involved. Or keeping something as a surprise just gives it an extra Wow!
I am a strange bird and in no way would I say this is for most people. I am curious if others have done it. Your comment about Bali makes me believe I am not alone. I normally only take one lady and find another there but maybe your idea of bring two might be interesting. Need to give it some thought. Thanks!
"360" report would be either a load of inflammatory, suck-up crap, because they don't want to kill the golden goose, or else a little TOO much reality. Do you really want to hear the unvarnished truth about whether SHE had as much fun as you did? As others have said, it seems like a lot of work for the ladies, and they may not enjoy it all that much, but would fake it if the money was right. Tempting them to tell you what the REALLY think seems counter-productive with a paid escort, but I think most would just tell you what they think you want to hear, i.e., that you're the Cecil B. DeMille of directing a sex scene and they can't wait to collect your money for the next one. its like the vanity publishers. ANYONE can write a crappy book, give the publisher $20,000, and get a hundred copies published. THEN, you can brag you're a published author. Ego boost and bragging rights? Yes! Value to anyone else? Nil. I think your idea of a staged scene sounds like a lot of fun, but that the train leaves the track with the written report. Just my opinion.
Yes, Coeur-de-lion there is that aspect of it. However, ladies do give me constructive comments like they wish we could have spent more time on an event or less scripted. Or they did not like the choice of music, or the food was not to their liking. Yes I agree, some try to give me what I want to hear but it can simply them not noticing an aspect that tells me it is overkill.
I would be lying if I told you I do go back to re-read some comment as they do make me feel good. I do remember a lady in Toronto who was from Europe and she missed the Opera. I came to town and put on an event but Opera was out of season. So I hired a pianist and a local Opera singer to perform her favorite opera pieces over a specially designed dinner for her in a special room decorated with flowers candles. Well 8 years later I was in Toronto and I had dinner meet canceled so I was able to find that lady and I took her on a dinner date. Well if she did not have the photos of that night on her phone. Wow, that warmed my heart. That night stuck with her.
I just want my providers to say WOW!
Could you possible next time spend a little more than $20 on the piano player? I know this is a Chinese restaurant, but if I hear Chop-sticks one more time, I'm not going to cry, I'm going to puke.
It was just a tip to the piano player in the restaurant. I gave it to my provider who then put it in his glass. She got a kick out of that. One of those things that came out of the 360. Who would think that was meaningful to my provider.
I have been called worst things. LOL
just to say, "WOW!", when I drop my pants, and nothing more. By them saying only "Wow!", I have no idea if they're thinking, "Wow, that's a monster", or "Wow, is that all there is?" With brevity, WE can interpret it in a way that is most flattering to US. No further explanation is necessary lest it destroy our illusions. Lol
LOL
But not the kind of Wow! I was looking for.
and like Jake, it seems like an awful lot of work to me, for both you and the providers you hire, but each to their own.
To answer your specific question about asking for a "360" from the women you hire, yes I do find this VERY strange. Hey you asked. If you hadn't specifically asked I would have chalked this up to "each to their own" as well, but you did ask...
If I were to play armchair therapist it sounds like you are lacking in any "real world" sexual relationships, and that you are trying to fill that hole in your life with more and more fantastical dates with hookers. I don't share that need, I will concede I like dinner dates and even overnight or (short) travel dates, but I don't to make anything more out of them than the good time I have.
Fair enough Gambler.
It is a lot of work but I get a kick out of putting on the event with a supporting cast. I guess you are not much for the theater.
I appreciate your comment on the "360" and respect your comments. Funny thing it was my therapist who suggested it as well as a few fellows who had participated in a couple adventures. Just to give me the other peoples perspectives. Just to ensure I get a balanced perspective.
I have my own therapist but thanks for your assessment. By the way, what is real? We create things in our mind that can be distorted ie "he liked me" "He did not like me" all perspective my friend. Likewise one can like a resort another hate the same resort when they were there at the same time.
For me, these adventures are like a ride at Disneyland. I get to escape my real world to enjoy a fantasy world I can create with a provider. It is like going to a movie. Only now I get to live it not just watch it.
But to each his own. I wish you well and hope you enjoy your experiences.
and I certainly don't mean to piss on your parade.
BTW it's easy to tell how a hooker feels about you. If she sees you for free, she REALLY likes you. If she won't see you again at three times her normal rate, she REALLY doesn't like you. If she initiates conversations with you that are not for the purpose of getting you to book with her again, most likely she likes you as a person. If she is eager about having another date she likes your money and at the very least doesn't dislike you as a person. If she is ambivalent about seeing you again, she most likely doesn't care much for you as a person. If she doesn't return your messages, well I am sure you can figure that one out for yourself. lol
indicators of where you stand with a hooker based on her conduct with you. I have been guilty of a few "event"-type dates, but not of the marathon sexual variety. Although most of my outside dates end up with an overnight at a hotel, her place, or more rarely, my place.
My biggest one so far was meeting a girl in Paris last summer (France, not Kentucky, although I would consider seeing a girl in Paris, Kentucky if she has all of her teeth) for a week before I went to London to work for two weeks. I paid all expenses including her airfare from Korea. I do a lot of outside dates of various lengths but mostly prefer two- or three-day weekends, and cover all expenses, just as I would if I invited a civvie girl, but I don't pay for her time or the sex that comes with it. I make sure they understand that from the moment I invite them. It means the sex is at their discretion, and not automatically expected, but I have only had one instance where a girl passed on the sex (because she got food poisoning), and I was okay with it because I didn't want to get barfed on. (I wonder if that's why most hotels put plastic liners in the wastebaskets?)
I did a quick search on one of the sugar sites for both of them and while the pickings were rather slim in Paris KY, the women were anything but slim. Paris TX OTOH did have a few "doable" girls on the site. There is also a Paris TN, but it wasn't any more promising than Paris KY. lol
That issue out of the way, yes I also have done quite a few weekend dates with providers, and once I made the mistake of taking my Korean hooker GF with me to Hawaii for a ten day trip. I knew it was a mistake before we even got on the plane and sure enough it was one of the longest ten days in my life. Like you I don't pay "her rate" if I take a provider on vacation with me. I am the exact opposite of most of the guys here. I absolutely refuse to pay for "time and companionship" I pay for NSA sex, and if I am going to spend more than a few hours with a woman I want her to be there because she wants to be, and not because I am paying her.
I will confess that I have taken a few putas in Latin America on trips lasting a day or two that were "paid dates", but the amount of money paid was such a pittance, never more than a few hundred dollars, that the money was kind of inconsequential. The good thing about paying in these cases is that I can usually only take about 2 days of being with the same woman, if I am paying her I can be a dick about it and end the date whenever I want to and go fuck some other girl, it's harder to do that when you are dating a girl.
is always dicey. As you say, a week can seem like two weeks because when you are 24/7 for more than about 48 hours, all of the negative things about her get exposed because they can't maintain "showtime" continuously for days without giving you a good dose of their real personality, habits, and peculiarities. My Paris trip last year actually went well because a year before she had hosted me in Seoul for five days on my way to Hong Kong for business, so I know we would be compatible and have fun together for more than just a weekend. If I don't have some successful three-day weekends with a girl, I would never consider asking her to go anywhere for a week, even when its "free" as far as her time is concerned.
I totally agree that is why I start off with an hour or two meet and greet. If that goes well I might do a dinner date. If that goes well an overnight before I take them on a travel date. But unlike you guys I do pay for her time. I might want to reconsider that. However, when it is not paid do you run into what Gambler said they start to fall in "Love with you and what you bring them" If it is paid there is no mistake about it. Just a thought!
Paris TX has an excellent junior college. Perhaps that is why there are some possibilities.
It would also be a better place than Paris Australia where a 1974 movie, The Cars That Ate Paris was filmed.
Gambler I think you miss the point as it is about the event and how they felt about the event. What they liked and what they disliked and how they felt about participating.
I would agree with your comments on how a provider feels about you. It is pretty clear.
over the years? Some from past hostesses were first class parties with guides if I remember correctly...
Steph XO
Yes, I did have had a few ladies who requested similar events and I have put on such events. If you private message me I can share the events.
My dear, did you not get my PM?
...and as mrfisher said, we're all unique in our own way. To answer your questions... yes, the types of women and the amount of time spent has evolved as I've learned more about myself during my journey on this playground... and no, I don't require any written feedback. Whether it's strange what you do is not for me to judge. Solo mis dos centavos. 
Send that gal's contact info please!
Lov the lady Senator, Maybe too much ink. Not sure why someone so beautiful would do that to her self it is kind of distracting. But then again to each his own. Not my place to judge.
My question is how do you know the event had value? I was criticized by others who said my events were cruel and I did have one provider tell me after she would rather have a client piss on her, slap her around, short change her, and call her a hoe before doing another event. Wow, that was an eye-opener. I did not even have sex with her. I sent her to the spa for the day, took her to her favorite restaurant, Had two tall blondes play her slaves undressing her and then washing her, shave her, and place oil on her. I paid her more than her normal rate giving her three months for her monthly expenses. I even let her leave early. Yet I missed the mark. So I do like to have provider tell me how it went. What worked and what did not. Oh well, some work and some do not. That was one where I questioned what am I doing? But I have far too many that I enjoy.
I believe all my experiences have value. I learn from them... both the good and the bad. For me, some of my favorite experiences haven't been scripted or even planned out. They were spontaneous and the ladies and I enjoyed being in the moment.
As far as the example you shared, it appears that the two of you weren't a good match regardless of what the event was. I'd think it would have been obvious as it was happening, unless you don't have the ability to read the cues. I pretty much know in the first five minutes whether she's into it or not. I'm sure I've been fooled a few times, but not many. 
Senator, thank you for your comment. I totally agree. Each experience is just that an experience. We can see them as negative or positive. They become part of our experiences. I totally agree I like my experiences to be unscripted but I do give people parts to play. However, my experiences can be viewed as completely different from my providers. I try to create romantic experiences or exciting experiences, or joyful experiences that will be memorable for them. However, a gift is only a gift if the one receiving the gift sees it as a gift.
The more my provider buys in the more exciting and enjoyable it is for them. I do need to know the kind of music they like so they can feel it. Otherwise, it is just noise. Expensive noise.
Yes with many ladies I think I can sense it but there have been times after the event they walk away and I never hear from them again. Some ladies do not feel they are worthy of such treatment. I have even had some who tell me they can not dream or do not want to dream because it never happens. I feel so bad for them. If you PM me or email me a response I will be happy to share a few examples.
...produce and direct a detailed and extravagant play!
But to each her own.
Your posts reads to me almost like you are staging an elaborate, erotic play. I've done dinner dates, overnights, and even a few trips but nothing as elaborate as yours. But I am content in those situations to let the provider be herself to whatever extent she feels comfortable with.
Yes Vorlon, I too use to just do dinner dates, overnights, and travel dates. However, with a number of the providers, we started to dream or share fantasies and that took us to live out the fantasies and wow it to us to a whole new dimension.
I now seek out providers who have bucket lists or fantasies or dreams they like to live out. I do have a bit of a backlog of fantasies to get through. For me, it is so much fun to live out and see them enjoy. They have taken on a life of their own. Just wondering if others have experienced such events. Or if I am just crazy by myself.
who have done their share of high style wining, dining, and more.
Like I said, back when I was in that club, I did a few five figure multi-day dates.
One reason you may not see too many guys jumping in is that they might see gals who don't know they do this kind of thing with other and not them, and they may therefore feel uneasy about that, jealousy being what it is, and all.
As of this posting there are only 827 "users online" Virtually anything you ask around here nowadays is going to get a rather muted response.
But I seriously doubt that even in it's heyday would you find many (if any) guys who are into not only all the play acting, but the "360" aspect of what the OP is doing. Are there guys who can afford still on TER? but just because you can afford something doesn't mean you are going to partake in it. For example we have a mutual friend who does multi-day, multi-provider dates all the time that run well into the five digits, I can't imagine for the life of me that he would ever survey those ladies asking for feedback about what he could do better.
and yes, I too have done a lot of multi day dates and even a couple of multi day/multi provider dates over the years. The reason I don't do them any more has a lot less to do with money than it does the fact that I start crawling up the walls after too much "togetherness" and my limit presently is about a weekend with the same woman before I start feeling the serious need for some "me time". I guess I am on the exact opposite end of the spectrum from the OP. lol
We don't pay for you to come, we pay you to leave.
maybe 4xs and has gotten to know you well over the years, I have to say, that's not the vibe you give off at all with me.
Sigh...
Steph
He, as in the client.
I think the majority of women would all say the same thing. Pay more, and finish faster.
I believe I've read those actual words on this here board.
Oh no Gambler,
I think we can agree. Multiple day dates are rare indeed. I can count the ladies that can put up with me for more than a couple days on one hand. I had one I took to London and on the third day she asked if I would mind if she went to see another client for lunch. I was kind of hurt but I am a pleaser so I let her. I found out after he did not even pay her. Now that was a slap in the face and it was all downhill from there.
So I agree if we travel it is for only a few days. Most events are one or two days.
Mr. Fisher what I do is not for everyone just as golden showers are not for me. I am curious if there are other guys that do the fantasy adventures. I am learning I am not the only one. It is nice to hear from a few of you that you do travel dates. I learned already that some of you are so good that ladies will not even charge you to travel with you. I never knew such a thing was possible. So it is not the quantity of the people on here as the quality.
I have been targeted by other pooners on other boards that are pissed at me because they think I spoil the providers so I get a few hate emails. But I do get a few guys who want to learn more. I have even had a few guys participate in my adventures in supporting roles. I enjoy it when multiple people can fulfill their fantasies. Laying on fantasy on another on another. A bigger risk but bigger gain.
I know of at least two whose fantasy was to be with two guys at the same time. A friend and I indulged both of them, with dinner afterwards. Our DP, in particular, got rave reviews. Those are the kind of bucket lists I can go for.
Yes, now you are talking!!!!!
I like this concept.
But sanity is sometimes overrated.
I totally agree, Vorlon,
Sometimes a little crazy is just what is needed. I like to think that there are times when one should just step out of reality and enjoy your dream. I love it when the lady can get away from being a legal assistant and in our fantasy, she is a lawyer, or for another, she had a day job as a cosmetician and now she owners her own cosmetic company in our fantasy. Others can be successful real estate agents, or Doctors, or architects, or performers. They can play my girlfriend, my wife, my personal assistant. In this moment they can be whoever or whatever they want.
Call it crazy. But I love it. Like in a movie you live out the experience. At the moment. Like a ride at Disney Land you can go there and escape for the day or two but you can not live there. No one calls that crazy.
There's nothing wrong with getting feedback from a provider that you know and trust regarding improvements/suggestions for your next multi-hour/multi-day experience. This is not the same as asking some robotic whore with a published list of do's and don'ts if she liked the way you DATY or what's her favorite position. I would think that a provider that is up for a multi-day event would be happy to give a little feedback on making the next experience better for both of you.
I've never asked for a recollection of events, but nothing gets me hornier to see a girl again than a very personal and well timed text or email about our last encounter.
Yes, you get it Mr. Laroche!
I appreciate your thoughts! I thought I was all alone on this one.
....not to say they are better, but they are certainly different (apples and oranges etc)
If the pleasure you derive comes from creating experiences then who’s to say you should do anything different? There are men out there that pay for experiences that don’t involve sex (thinking fetish/mistress Dom etc) but involve creating an experience. Those scenarios are generally created by the woman so your essentially just flipping the ownership here...no biggie. In your case because YOU are the one creating the experience I don’t think it’s odd that you are requesting feedback. Women frequently ask for feedback on the experience they provide - why shouldn’t you? Carpe diem!
Well, thank you, my dear! Nice to see someone shares my thoughts and gets me. You made my day.
This is an interesting concept.
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What would I do with minimal time and money constraints? Something a little different. I would go to LA, rent a nice apartment somewhere, get screened by the leading porn star agencies, and then just start seeing a different one every few days. Two hour appointments. Watching videos of the next one I was going to see on the days in between appointments.
Well Barry,
Have you ever heard of an "elimidate?" PM I will share those experiences with you. LOL
I don't have VIP membership so can't PM. Not expecting to have the time and resources for this for the foreseeable future anyway.
Oh sorry to hear about that. Well, we can all dream. That cost us little but time.
A Dorian Gray complex.
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"You will, mrfisher, you will."
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Hello gentlemen,
Well I am not going to dive into the trenches of "The Battle of Fantasy Fulfillment” but given my experience with Dickson is in the discussion I am compelled to make a response with my own reflections.
The uniqueness and freedom of this world is that we get to explore ourselves in a way that is otherwise limited in the conventional world. I think we can all agree we live in a sexually repressed society, like we are supposed to live a certain way and have sex in a certain way. The beauty of this world is you get to be yourself sexually without societal constraints. And whatever those fantasies are, are not judged. This is what I love about my role as an SP I get to create a space of authenticity, non-judgement, intimacy and exploration.
Now Dickson is not for everyone. He knows that, he is a ‘strange bird,’ but this is what I love about spending time with him. I like quirky people, what can I say. Am I getting paid? Yes, of course. This is the nature of our relationship. Would I spend time with him if I didn’t enjoy him? No, I spend my time with those I genuinely want to connect with. Are his fantasy fulfillments for everyone? Certainly not. Everyone has a choice to participate or not. They are for me. I was so excited to have someone want to bring my fantasies to real life. I am very creative, open-minded with a performance background so Dickson and I are a fit for each other.
I had tried to post the 360 of my memorable birthday event put on by Dickson in this forum but it is too long to include…
I am happy to address any direct questions, so please don't hesitate to reach out.
Tara xo
Thank you for your jumping into the "battle of fantasy fulfillment."
I agree it is not for everyone and there are those who like them, and those that like them at first but over time many providers get bored with the rides at Disneyland. Those providers move on to something more enjoyable. I too must move on to the next adventure. I am not for everyone. Nor do I want to be. My goal is to make my providers happy. To see the joy in their face. To see that smile or that tear of joy.
I am glad you enjoy the experience. Now time to reload.
Keep well! Thanks, I hope Mr. Lion can put his roar back where it belongs.