I was dumbstruck the other night when out with the wife and several other couples.  We left a restaurant and decided to stroll and crossing the street in front of a club we saw a drop dead gorgeous young woman cross the street and enter the club.  Given her clothing and overall demeanor (as well as the nature of the club) I and the other men just 'knew' she was an escort.  The 'wives' were less sure.  This was followed by the question from one wife and seconded by the others..."Do men really still see prostitutes".  The husbands all stood by in awkward silence.  I assure you, all of the wives that night are well read, highly educated and generally smart on a large array of topics.  So I wonder, what percentage of women actually do NOT know what is going on in 2006?

Ditto.

You are lucky. Many women will gather evidence and leave you if they find out what you are doing. Your wife is trying to get you to confess.

Even if you cover your tracks they can feel your spirit and sense you are up to something. I suggest that you take a break for a few months, then start again.

A good wife will start to be more responsive and make sure that you are satisfied. Last year during the federal holidays I would go to work but really go out to hobby. Yesterday I stayed and my wife gave me 3 pops before getting out the bed, lol. I was still thinking about getting some extra after that but decided against it.

Only hobby when the wife is the rag or when I go away on business, lol.

I have actually showed her some sites of the providers I have been with. Maybe someday we can get to do a 3some, lol.

-- Modified on 10/10/2006 8:15:43 PM

Do wives & civvies WANT to know(or accept) what is going on?

Reo wives and other civies really know what is going on?

The average civie is so far removed from the scene, they would like to believe that any man who's attracted to them, would not possibly want to look at a prostitute/streetwalker.  Esp, when using the term prostitute they only conjure up images of streetwalkers, not your typical girl next door/ socially acceptable (on the surface) looking escort.  In doing so, they are allowed to distance themselves from the image of a "what they would perceive as low class" streetwalker/prostitue.

The wives might be well read and conversant, but they probably can't associate anything they read about or see on TV to anything they see in real life.  

One thing that assists hobbyists is the fact that so many wives don't have the slightest understanding of male sexuality-- and are happy that way.

Reo wives and other civies really know what is going on?

Maybe, maybe not.
Remember 'though that models pictured in magazines and commonly thought of as "respectable" neither look, nor dress nor pose differently from a quality escort - may, in fact be in both worlds.
The living proof of this statement who had posed for Playboy turned into an angel less than 2 weeks ago (traffic accident).

if the wives have the same kinds of questions about what their husbands know/don't know about their love lives.

-- Modified on 10/12/2006 7:24:01 AM

For God's sake, one of you should have been able to convincingly say something such as "I have no idea what "men" do--I think you might want to ask that question at a strip club."  Silence was one of the two biggest mistakes you all could commit (the other being to protest too loudly being asked the question).  Jesus, have you learned nothing from Fight Club?

JW,
I did not mean to upset you - If I decode correctly.

Indeed, the wives all used terms such as prostitutes and whores and one of the husbands recovered his composure and added: "well actually, they don't walk the streets like in the movies but advertise as 'escorts'".  Another piped in with something like "you woud be surprised at how many attractive and educated women do escorting".   My wife then asked where they advertise?  Now at this point I am thinking this is a great moment to light up a  cigarette but I quit a few years back.  You got to understand that I have been soooo under the radar (never even confided to the husbands)- not only were the wives being educated to how things work but I was realizing that their husbands were in the same boat as me (I mean how did we go from whore to escorts?)...as I guess I always knew this but I think there are many men like me who still consider this their little secret.  I could not resist...on the way home I asked one of the husbands: "so that provider was a knock out, no?".  He looked at me and replied, one of the finest providers he had ever seen.  

It has been a bit of time since this evening.  As far as I can tell, at least in this household, nothing has changed.  There are no suspicions.  So phundog, we were even more of dead give aways than you think, but it appears the wives are no the wiser. So my original question remains the same.

-- Modified on 10/11/2006 11:52:56 PM

The guys should have started talking about the potential pleasures of what could happen if they ever were to see an escort.  Each guy could talk about the things their wife doesn't do, and talk hypotheticaly about escorts doing deepthroat, swallowing, greek.

Just imagine...maybe one of the wives would have responded with "I can deepthroat" and asked for someone to "whip it out" right there

One of my favorite maxims is:

You can remain silent and let people think you are stupid, or say something and remove any lingering doubts.

initial reply.  It seems as if entire words are missing from your text.  It just does not make sense when I read it and I can't see the tie in to the orignal post.  No harm, I'm just confused...

...Think about it.  If more wifes/gf's had a clue, a clue as to what their man REALLY wants, their men wouldn't be seeking pros.  Then, if they had a clue as what their men were "up to", they'd put a stop to it.  Again, I'm talking in generalities.  But trust me, there are A LOT of wives/gf's who have no clue!

on fairly close to civie dates... and in one instance, I have to admit the looks from other guys - either with SOs or not was incredible...  they knew.... the women? well who knows what they thought...

On another occasion I was with a provider that i fantasize about.... we went to dinner (it was supposed to be at Denny's but was not!) - it was at Wendy's instead.... lol!  anyway, I doubt that anyone would know that we were anything other than a couple of folks out for a nice dinner..... except for the fact that she is stunning....  and beautiful.  But we were very low key.  So it depends.

As monkeys flew out of your ass?

the penthouse  world only exists here- CUZ WE'RE PAYING!

Reo wives and other civies really know what is going on?

I go to a lot of H-wood events ( swag-  I'm not actually deserving of any special treatment)- and my SO and I or when I'm with my friends- we play "spot the pro"

The mid-level schlumpy guys with the spectacular date-  bingo!

The fat oily business man with the slammin' 19 year old in the FM pumps?  bingo!

I love this picture of you. When can I see your face?

be on guard.  Some late night or early morning, while you're at a ballgame together or walking up to the front door of the mother-in-law's house, you will get this spectacularly out-of-the blue question.  If you can't think of anything else grab her, plant a wet one on her and say you haven't been listening for the last couple of minutes because all you can think of is having her right now.  Gotta work better than the truth.

Oh, and as for your original question, women know what they want to know.

This was in a MSNBC online poll which means it is skewed towards yuppies and whites, but it asked have you ever paid for sex? answer was 30% yes for men. When asked of women,"have you ever been paid for sex?" answer 8%. Women read cosmo, they watch Oprah which recently had a show called, sexless marriages(I could have been the prime guest) and a book called women are from Venus,men from mars which explains the differences between men and women in the bedroom. So I think average woman knows that if she does not put out, he will either jack off like Howard Stern in the basement, or he will get his medicine elswhere. Or we could talk about the millions of fat guys and diabetics and high blood pressure guys who cant get it up any which way so their civies know what they are doin, NOTHING. Not to mention the millions of fat women and the millions who have issues with sex in general. The poor guys who marry them get laid for a few years til shes knocked up then it dries up and he is on his own since he wont divorce her because of the kids. Thank god for the internet and now we can realiably hobby and enjoy what god gave all of us, SEXUALITY and sensuality. I predict that hobbying will grow and some day the wacko right wingers will go after the internet and I will have to go back to the right hand.

But why oh why must life be so cruel?!  You write wise words, boberini.  Perhaps another thread, but where in the heck do women who are nymphomaniacs come from? (another universe I imagine). 30%-an impressive figure indeed.  The right wing may have to do a 180 and make it legal to cover the cost of their politics through taxes--imagine the revenues on this!!

Reo wives and other civies really know what is going on?

No.  And if it wasn't for the fear of STD I'm sure the % would be higher than 30%.

as I gaze upon a paid for tit.

We do to ourselves a mighty lot
when the wives perform like a robot

The net it came for me too late
the courts and lawyers I learned to hate

Now it seems I must admit
escorts please me quite a bit

I pay them now and for one I grieve
I know I pay her so she'll leave

Leave she does and I am left
feeling somewhat down and berift

but then I look at TER anew
escorts are there some with eyes so blue.

I pick and choose a lady for me
and a fantasy I have as it will be

so true.

Reo wives and other civies really know what is going on?

Escorting is successful because it is under the radar of anyone not involved.  
Streetwalkers working an area brings a lot of attention.  Will result in a lots of complaints, resulting in the police in every city trying to keep this activity in check.
Most 'Massage Parlors" and other storefront sex businesses also bring complaints.  Storefront operations also make easy targets for police stings, and civic groups are able to put political pressure of landlords not to lease to such a business.
Escorts can operate in most hotels with the majority of the staff and almost all guest unaware of anything.  
The internet has made escorts more available to guys looking for this type of entertainment, but more invisable to anyone not tuned into the adult services available.  

I think most women not involved don't notice the signs of escorts working in a hotel.  (i.e. Its a first class hotel that would never allow that kind of thing, She was dressed to nice to be a h___er, etc.)  

The information is there but they have other interest.  So the young lady entering the hotel goes without notice.