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Alyssa Marie See my TER Reviews 747 reads
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I do not use blacklists as my only resource. That is just as foolish as using a provider reference and thinking you will find out all that you need to know.

I also just spent a month in Australia where things like blacklists, provider references, etc, do not exist. What did I use there? My gut. That has always been and will always be my number 1 go to.

I choose to not go to motels in the middle of nowhere or to someone's private residence. That's my biggest feeling of safety for me. I live in city where everything is on camera.  

I'm not an idiot, so.. Like BCG said.. If we have even 1/3rd of a brain we can tell a difference between a bull crap and legit submission similar to a guy with at least 1/3rd of a brain can tell the difference between a bs and legit review.

If you want to be so pessimistic, why even have reviews or any sites in the first place? Seeing how you think they are it seems like they are all just lies.  

You have to remember.. Things like..
Britney Spears sucks is opinion.
Britney Spears lip syncs is fact.
Britney Spears showed up 30 minutes later or BS cancelled due to sickness.. Well.. I'm sure you get the gist.

About what silly princess type hookers say about you on BL sites? Did you waste her time? Did you give the appearance of obnoxious? Did you argue concerning her photoshopped portfolio?

Do you even care about the BS placed on BL sites?

You can't even begin to imagine what's been said about some folks. Folks who don't fall at the feet of girls who insist that men SHOULD, and will, pay for sex. Folks who refuse to believe that a 19 y/o has 5 years experience. Folks who won't pay deposits. OMG, the list of "folks" is extensive

TalkToTrees887 reads

I've seen a few postings that will yell RAPE, but give no other "identifying" information about the guy except for his first name. Do you realize how many Harrys there are in the world?  

No phone number is given, but this one poster claims that this Harry raped her. Really, how did she know his name in the first place? Real rapists are secretive and don't advertise their name, especially to the lady they are raping. Duh...  

(Disclaimer, don't get me wrong, folks, rape is a major crime and when rapists are caught, they should be fed to felons in high risk maximum security prisons! skip the criminal trials!)

I've seen enough crapola on those blacklist sites that it borders on comical.

How can a well reviewed provider honestly use those blacklist sites as one of their tools of screening a hobbyist?  

Like I said... blacklists are stupid.

The Forest Waits

DollyHaze951 reads

1. Why shouldn't time wasters be blacklisted?

2. What does "the appearance of obnoxious" mean?

3. Why shouldn't guys who don't want to/don't think they should have to pay for sex be contacting escorts in the first place?

cult affiliations. How is the easter bunny, the tooth fairy and Santa these days? Why not swap out the babble for Grimms fairy tales to give yourself a break from all the hypocrisy and sexism. When are you going to go the way of the dinosaur? You take up valuable space.

Dictate principle? Libs take up air dude and I want mine free of "entitled" libs

Panthera12843 reads

And yes, the libs do stink up the carbon monoxide.

Heck...we get the best of all worlds.  Jews, Christians, Easter Bunny...heck let's see if David Koresh is available as a guest speaker  LOL

When is the Jupiter 2 taking off for Saturn?

How's looking for that thread where CPA get's all bent out of shape...love to see it.

Posted By: hbyist+truth=;(
cult affiliations. How is the easter bunny, the tooth fairy and Santa these days? Why not swap out the babble for Grimms fairy tales to give yourself a break from all the hypocrisy and sexism. When are you going to go the way of the dinosaur? You take up valuable space.

MikeShanahan810 reads

Almost never seen anyone post so much while saying so little. Go away. Please.  

Posted By: hbyist+truth=;(
cult affiliations. How is the easter bunny, the tooth fairy and Santa these days? Why not swap out the babble for Grimms fairy tales to give yourself a break from all the hypocrisy and sexism. When are you going to go the way of the dinosaur? You take up valuable space.

When the hamburger looks better in the advertisement?
It's an ad.. It is supposed to look its very best.

Also.. Why care what is said about your alias?(I'm assuming a girl shat on you on some BL site)
If you are a good guy. You know everyone who knows you knows that..
Most of the ladies I know. Screen in their own way.. They don't rely on aliases, and websites like this.
So all you need is your own honor dude.

Sooo...YouWanna704 reads

But they are useful, and we ladies are supremely happy that we have it to avoid people like you

If you treat a provider well, you won't end up on BL sites.  Your personal references from ladies you've seen will mean much more for screening.  Karma goes around...

Panthera121014 reads

I have seen quite a few blacklistings over posts made right here on TER. Yes, posts. I have seen newbies ask the wrong questions and get their full names put out on public blacklists. Nothing like a bunch of blacklisting hookers ruining newbies who would probably have been a meal ticket when they were/are down and out. The blacklists have been heavily abused, especially in the last 5 or 6 years.  

Do a little research there Sparky.

How are you sure it's some hooker that is posting this on a public blacklist??

How do you know it's not one of the guys who post 163535 posts a month on here and admit to being on here drunk and constantly ask and post ridiculous things...

Just something to think about before going to sleep tonight. :)

Panthera12903 reads

You have been around long enough to know what happens outside of TER. If you want me to sleep on something, please give me something that is going to really make me think and not something that I know about.

Don't do anything stupid and you won't end up on a blacklist.

If someone writes a review that the guy didn't worship her feet, umm.... I'm pretty sure unless the lady is a dominatrix and this is the type of meeting the guy is looking for, we're not going to pay any attention to that...

If you try to take your donation back, try to force bbfs, no call no show, etc.. Etc... Well, maybe you should find another hobby. That is what blacklists are for. When used properly, they are an important part of this whole deal.

JackDunphy764 reads

And the NSA and CIA only spy on known or suspected criminals right? You can't be this stupid. BSC hookers put johns on BL for seeing other hookers. They do it b/c they didn't get tipped. They do it b/c....well...b/c they are BSC so please don't give me this "don't do anything stupid" bullshit for that's all it is, is bullshit honey.

The only guys who have a problem with BL sites are the ones who are likely to be on them.  

Do some melodramatic bitches abuse them? Sure. But there are just as many vindictive reviews out there. Any system like that is bound to get misused and abused from time to time, but that doesn't invalidate their original purposes. Furthermore, it's pretty easy to tell which BL entries were submitted out of vindictiveness, and those of us who are smart know to take those with a grain of salt.

after the client walked out on her heavily photo-shopped bait and switch looking almost NOTHING like the photos.  The dumb tard agency then blacklists the client and sends his personal info to another agency and who knows where else.  

Was the client supposed to stick around and get bullied into going through with the bait and switch in order to avoid getting blacklisted?  

 



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While what is on blacklists isn't supposed to be talked about.. Similar to any type of guys only boards...
We do know that information gets leaked.

That being said... If the situation you described happened to you, why not message a few ladies that you have seen to write a note under it, "I have actually seen this guy and he is great to see."

We can argue that the Internet itself is a horrible idea. It has ruined lives, sure... But it's also a very resourceful tool.

Any type of anything can have reviews. From yelp to google, etc. Personally I love reading reviews of casinos.. They're classic. The ones that are complaining either include how the person lost money or I just go to assume that they did. I don't not go to somewhere because one person complained. If I can see other people said that they enjoyed it, that kinda wipes the one complaint away.

We also have to remind ourselves that not everything we read is the truth...

Anyway, everyone is allowed to believe what they want to believe. For me, I believe blacklists are a valuable tool so long as one has half a brain. If one doesn't have half a brain, they shouldn't be on escort boards to start with.
:)

It's still irrelevant to my point.  

Posted By: Drunken Asian
after the client walked out on her heavily photo-shopped bait and switch looking almost NOTHING like the photos.  The dumb tard agency then blacklists the client and sends his personal info to another agency and who knows where else.    
   
 Was the client supposed to stick around and get bullied into going through with the bait and switch in order to avoid getting blacklisted?    
   
   
   
 

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DollyHaze830 reads

Reviews get abused and misused just as often. Does that mean that reviews shouldn't exist? Many will argue yes. But hey, this is a business and businesses get reviewed. But just as I read Yelp reviews and remember that some are vindictive, severely biased, inaccurate, etc. I read both blacklist entries and TER reviews the same way.

And I got a review once that complained how I didn't cuddle afterwards.. But he didn't bother to put in the part where we were already ten minutes over our time...  
I would hope that someone would be able to see through that.

On blacklist sites if a girl writes something and another girl has seen this guy and knows he is legit, she will stick up for him. It happens ALL of the time!

TalkToTrees863 reads

Really? When used properly?  

When was the last time a blacklist was used properly?    Hmm, I thought so. Never.

A well reviewed provider like yourself have to rely on blacklists that are nothing more than a unverified bitch-fest. Surely, you can do better than that.

You stated nothing of the many lies and bullshit that gets put on those blacklist and the honest guys gets their name sullied and have no recourse against those lies. Are you sure as a well reviewed provider that you rely on such bullshit to verify hobbyists?  

The Forest Waits

I do not use blacklists as my only resource. That is just as foolish as using a provider reference and thinking you will find out all that you need to know.

I also just spent a month in Australia where things like blacklists, provider references, etc, do not exist. What did I use there? My gut. That has always been and will always be my number 1 go to.

I choose to not go to motels in the middle of nowhere or to someone's private residence. That's my biggest feeling of safety for me. I live in city where everything is on camera.  

I'm not an idiot, so.. Like BCG said.. If we have even 1/3rd of a brain we can tell a difference between a bull crap and legit submission similar to a guy with at least 1/3rd of a brain can tell the difference between a bs and legit review.

If you want to be so pessimistic, why even have reviews or any sites in the first place? Seeing how you think they are it seems like they are all just lies.  

You have to remember.. Things like..
Britney Spears sucks is opinion.
Britney Spears lip syncs is fact.
Britney Spears showed up 30 minutes later or BS cancelled due to sickness.. Well.. I'm sure you get the gist.

TalkToTrees734 reads

Again... I go back to the question...

When was the last time a blacklist was used properly?  

Suppose out of 100 submissions to a blacklist, only 3 are legit, how are YOU supposed to know which one is legit? You don't. That's my point.

When it comes to me checking out the reviews, yes, some are bullshit and some are not. Like yourself, I use my instincts. If something is off, I won't pursue that lady. I move onto someone else. It's that simple, but not for a blacklists that are used by ladies like yourself.  

Oh, BTW, Brittany Spears is not a provider, using her as an example is a poor choice.  

The Forest Waits

Opinion. Logic, reasoning, and deduction.

BTW, the Brittany Spears comment- that she is a poor choice as an example, is just "your opinion"- she could have used Hillary Clinton or anyone else that has a Va-jay-jay, but for the example, she used a semi-hot-chick. You should be glad, and not critical. Who gives a flying eff is she is a provider or not, she is a a PRETEND EXAMPLE....

It would seem you are arguing for arguments sake.

Unless you come up with a better solution than the blacklist as it is now, you are yet another complainer, and offer no useful help. (Fact.)
We are stuck with the system we have and our own intelligence to "figure it out." (FACT)

And btw, I think you give the men too much credit, I would think 70-80% of the "Blacklisted" ones are on point.

Once again, hopefully, us ladies, do our homework, and use other verifiable information (i.e. link clicking from reviews/profiles/etc etc) before resorting to the blacklist solely. That would be like believing a girl's one & only review that was bad, but wait.... :-P

 

Posted By: TalkToTrees
Again... I go back to the question...  
   
 When was the last time a blacklist was used properly?  
   
 Suppose out of 100 submissions to a blacklist, only 3 are legit, how are YOU supposed to know which one is legit? You don't. That's my point.  
   
 When it comes to me checking out the reviews, yes, some are bullshit and some are not. Like yourself, I use my instincts. If something is off, I won't pursue that lady. I move onto someone else. It's that simple, but not for a blacklists that are used by ladies like yourself.  
   
 Oh, BTW, Brittany Spears is not a provider, using her as an example is a poor choice.  
   
 The Forest Waits

DollyHaze751 reads

The blacklists I use are ones where information is kept private and off of search engines. Ergo, you will not be able to know whether or not you've been put on it. Also, if a gent gets blacklisted for either erroneous or overblown reasons, it won't ruin his life.

Blacklists are not the only tool that are used for screening, but they can be useful. But in the end, it's a case by case basis thing. If someone's on a blacklist once for a NCNS, I'm happy to see them. Shit happens. If someone's on a blacklist for multiple cancellations, I'll ask for a deposit. If someone's on a blacklist for being violent or forcing BBFS, I'll pass. It's just not a chance I'm willing to shoulder.  

And again, I'm just curious what your solution is, if you think all blacklists shouldn't be used? If a woman is violated, hurt, not paid for her time, etc...should she just keep it to herself?

Panthera12758 reads

They may require a log in and not subjected to Google bots, but they are far from private. Frankly, I don't have a big problem with the "private" sites because the entries are not made public.

TalkToTrees753 reads

Blacklists are nothing but subjective bullshit that can never be verified by someone else. You say that you use "effectively used blacklists", really? Compared to what? What are you comparing those "effectively used blacklists" to? Angie's List? I doubt it.

About the only verifiable site that I would even bother with is Preferred 411. At least those folks will work with both providers and hobbyists alike and verify them based on their methods.  

Or, develop your own screening method that has worked over the years. I have ran into a number of ladies who detest blacklists because of the constant bullshit that goes on. They don't have time to wade through the bullshit to pull out the legit ones. Many of them require at least 2 references, usually that will be the key if the provider sees a hobbyist.

But, if you insist that blacklists site are the way to verify someone, good luck to you.

The Forest Waits
 

Posted By: DollyHaze
The blacklists I use are ones where information is kept private and off of search engines. Ergo, you will not be able to know whether or not you've been put on it. Also, if a gent gets blacklisted for either erroneous or overblown reasons, it won't ruin his life.  
   
 Blacklists are not the only tool that are used for screening, but they can be useful. But in the end, it's a case by case basis thing. If someone's on a blacklist once for a NCNS, I'm happy to see them. Shit happens. If someone's on a blacklist for multiple cancellations, I'll ask for a deposit. If someone's on a blacklist for being violent or forcing BBFS, I'll pass. It's just not a chance I'm willing to shoulder.  
   
 And again, I'm just curious what your solution is, if you think all blacklists shouldn't be used? If a woman is violated, hurt, not paid for her time, etc...should she just keep it to herself?

You're a dude, right?
Why are you so concerned with how ladies screen?

We can't contest our reviews on TER. Some of the sites we can't even see our entire review..

Are you pro or anti reviewing ladies?

You can read through the bullcrap, right? So why do you think we can't?

TalkToTrees852 reads

Does it really matter if I was a lady or a man? The concept is still the same, isn't it?

My concern about ladies using blacklists as part of their screening process is how can I trust a provider who puts her faith in bullshit sites? I can't and never will.  

Your next comment would be, Ok, move onto the next provider. I have and I will. Thank you very much.

Where did you see that I was anti-screening? I never said that and you know it.

I mentioned that providers who have been around for a while will develop their own screening methods that don't require the use of blacklists sites.

I'm sure you'll find the need to put in the last word, go ahead. I don't mind.

The Forest Waits

Posted By: Alyssa Marie
You're a dude, right?  
 Why are you so concerned with how ladies screen?  
   
 We can't contest our reviews on TER. Some of the sites we can't even see our entire review..  
   
 Are you pro or anti reviewing ladies?  
   
 You can read through the bullcrap, right? So why do you think we can't?

1) Britney Spears is an entertainer.

2) Do you take your iPad in to the bathroom with you and speak your posts out loud in the mirror while waving your arms like, "success!" Has anyone ever told you that you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. I hope you got some fresh air today.
Xx
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fanoftheo643 reads

Then the BL's would be so much shorter.

There is a lady I know that I haven't seen in over 7 years who recently (in the last year) put me on a list because she thinks I lied about something. She doesn't say what I allegedly lied about, but she seems to have a vendetta against me. I simply ignore her and her BSC thoughts.

Now, just as with a lady who has scores of great reviews and then gets a bad / mediocre one, it doesn't mean she did anything wrong, it was one person's perspective or experience. As a guy who usually looks at the last 10 reviews of a lady (I look for consistency), I can tell you that one less than stellar review out of 10 doesn't concern me that much. The ladies that I see know about me being on the BL because I am honest and let them know. Since I'm only on there once, it is no big deal to me. However, I have found that a vast majority of the ladies who use these lists take the information on them with a huge grain of salt, just as that one less than stellar review is looked at when I do my research on a lady.

I do wish your first sentence were true, but we all know it takes all types around here and unfortunately, there are many ladies (and guys) who simply cannot and / or do not wish to keep this enjoyable for everyone

A lot of the problem is people throw the words "black list" around without knowing what they're really supposed to mean.
National Black List sites contain the personal information (in some cases the real stuff, not just handles) of clients, outing them to the world.  These sites are intended to protect girls from men who physically abuse, rob, threaten or stalk.  They should never, ever, be used against guys who NCNS, waste time or other things that are merely annoying.  That's what DNS lists are for.
Then there are the BL sites that are simply rip-offs and charge guys money to get taken off. If scoed wants to chime in he's got lots of direct info in this area.
And, yes, I know I'm beating a dead horse here.
PS: I have no doubt I"m on some BL site but am too lazy to check and don't really care'

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...I'd suspect that "checking" to see if you're on a Bogus BL is the first step of winding up on the list.

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