when you have to try and explain to numerous people what you're "really" trying to say you, you should worry less about their comprehension and focus on getting your message across correctly the first time.
I hear providers often saying they like men and women, and some even say for dating IRL they prefer women. At the same time, it seems more want to upcharge beyond their normal rates for a threesome. Not all, but a fair amount.
I have seen some that ask that match the normal rate - highest of the two - and pay them an equal amount. I have seen some where their normal rates are multipled by 1.5 times or more to be in a threesome. I have seen some ladies who entirely work in pairs and their threesome rate seems bonkers given what they bring to the table. I'm talking about average looking or worse with either no reviews or reviews with low marks. When divided in half, their rates are what most would consider high end.
If most ladies who are willing to do threesomes actually enjoy them, why do so many charge well more than their normal rates to be in one?
I'm lucky that my ATF does not charge extra for that (and handles the logistics of it on her end as well). But I've seen plenty ads that hold true with what you're saying. It almost seems backwards to me, being that many hands make light work and all that.
I think it may be something that they claim to love to do just because they can charge extra for it. Who wouldn't love making time and a half for what they do anyway? In my admittedly finite experience, how providers charge for specific services or times seems to indicate what they actually prefer doing.
I'd love to hear some providers weigh in on this, though.
Come on man--either pay or don't play.
I've given up trying to count all the 3somes I've had. I wouldn't be surprised to find it's over 100. In every instance where I was arranging an engagement--just like one-on-one meetings--either I could afford the fee or I couldn't. If the former, away we go. I've paid as little as 500 in Scandinavia to 2500 here in the good ol' USA (and once 3k for 3 ladies). One lady charged double her usual fee for a 3some. Turns out she was so fantastic we did it no fewer than 10 times.
Maybe a lady figures she has to do more work in a 3some, maybe she . . . who cares. Her body, her time, her rates.
Not only did your post fail to address anything said in the op, you also framed it like some kind of a nagging pricing complaint
You also ask "who cares" when he clearly cares and hence why he even made the post.
Why in the eyes of many people customers are these wallets with legs and no voice, I will never get.
To be fair, he did address the topic when he said “their body, their time, their rates.” At the end of the day whatever a provider may charge is completely their choice, and their reasons for choosing their price don’t matter to us. The only thing that matters is if we want to pay it or not. Many providers charge more for certain acts, even if they like it, because they can. Some might not think this is fair. However there are obviously plenty of guys that don’t care and are willing to pay the higher rate. Providers should charge more as well, since it is a higher level of service and in demand. This doesn’t mean they’re treating customers like walking wallets with no voice. It just means that some guys are willing to pay more to fulfill certain fantasies. Even if the provider enjoys the sex, it doesn’t mean they’re doing this recreationally. It is their job and they deserve to get paid for doing it.
You seem to not understand what I was saying.
Where did I say anything about charity?
I meant that inquiring about pricing, trying to understand pricing decisions and "hooker math" and also - if needed - providing critical feedback is all part of customer voice here.
Saying all customers basically need to take it or leave it - or as you put it, pay it or not - is a false dichotomy and deprives customers of voice.
Former, current and prospective customers have the right to ask about pricing decisions and criticize and question them.
Please, speak for yourself only when you say "their reasons for choosing their price don’t matter to us." Who is 'us' and why not?
This is what I meant as to treating us like wallets with legs. As if we can only say yes or no and have no right to question, wonder or discuss this. Ie, no voice.
It's not like we're asking how the escorts are laundering money. It's not a personal question. Why extra overhead pricing in doubles is a perfectly reasonable question to ask.
I wondered it too in the kgirl world because a kdouble in the bay area is close to 3x the price of a solo and same type of kdouble in socal is closer to 2x price.
Customers don’t have a voice? For a guy who claims to have no voice you sure do say a lot. I don’t think you’re picking up on what I’m saying. Sure, you can complain and ask all the questions you want. It still doesn’t matter. Providers aren’t going to listen to some random guy bitching on a board, especially if they’re getting bookings. They’re going to listen to the guys that actually pay them. They’re not going to waste time explaining their rate structure when there are plenty of clients who just book them without question. You do have a voice, but that doesn’t mean providers have to listen to it.
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This might be harsh but I’m going to level with you. You seem to think you’re entitled to things from providers that you are not. It also seems to be based on some vague personal ideas about “customer rights.” You talk about them like they are universal principals but they don’t actually seem to be based on anything other than your own personal feelings of right and wrong. The reality is you’re not entitled to anything from a provider unless you’re paying them. Most of the providers on this board haven’t received a dime from you. You might want to readjust your expectations.
Customers have input in this business. On this board we discuss everything hobby related, from habits to preferences and rationale behind decisions. This is a two way business. We get a say too and we have a right to criticize anything in the business.
Just because you don't care about rationale and reason doesn't mean others don't. Once again, whether you like it or not, customers have more than just "take it or leave it". That doesn't mean that we expect anyone to act on it. Expression of displeasure is reactive feedback and showing reaction is a thing.
"Sure, you can complain and ask all the questions you want"
That is NOT what you said. You and others are effectively trying to stifle criticism as well as any discussion of prices.
And hehits wasn't even criticizing anything he simply asked why is this math discrepancy in prices. That's all.
"You seem to think you’re entitled to things from providers that you are not."
I think youre mistaken here. I don't ask for anything from providers. Hence I don't feel like I'm entitled to anything from providers. However, we on this board as consumers have the right to discuss any aspect of business, question it and apply criticisms if needed. Do you disagree with this? Seemingly you do because you think we are just limited to paying or not paying like people with no brain or mouth.
So yes, I find it exceptionally weird that mongers on here are answering all questions posed by agencies and providers, without ever saying "because we can" but the topic of doubles pricing gets them panties on the the seller side in a bunch. If you don't want to answer the question, don't answer it.
Essentially telling the customer it's none of our business is just dumb, when it IS actually a part of our business too since we're the paying clientele. Providers jobs don't exist without customers.
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Last time I checked, we're in a capitalist society. If a lady offers something other than normie sex, why wouldn't she charge for it?
If OP has a concern about underperforming providers, that's an entirely distinguishable issue from whether a lady "should" charge more for a specialty. If there are women out there doing duos that he thinks aren't worth the money, by all means review them accordingly. Otherwise, maybe try enjoying the fact that there are numerous attractive women out there who will DFK, DATY and strapon play with each other. Even as recently as the 90s, finding that was about as easy as discovering Plutonium.
My understanding is that plutonium is relatively rare and hard to find, but you make it sound like finding ladies into hot threesomes is easy. Is it hard or not hard lol?
Please tell me where my complaint is. If you try to answer, you will fail. You have 2 options. 1, admit you’re wrong. 2, make something up that I said which is a complaint.
It’s called being curious. It’s something I noticed, and I was wondering why. That’s it. No need to complain. First, threesomes are not my preference anyway. Second, I would just see those who don’t upcharge if I wanted one.
Do u suggest any threesomes where the girls are truly bi and super interactive with each other?
This should be the lead-in for someone to post a youtube or other video of the Friends episode where Ross, Carol and her girl friend are suppose to be having a threesome but Ross is a bit left out.
I love entertaining, but no one gets a feee ticket. The admission price should always be more if you’re entertaining more people = more energy.
I’m not talking about if a client brought a friend. I’m talking about if you bring a fellow escort. Neither of you are there to entertain each other. If you say otherwise, I’m not buying that lie. You’re both there to entertain the client. Anything you do with each other is for the client.
...damn right I want them entertaining each other as well as me! I can see where it takes more energy for the lady bringing pleasure to both the client and the friend but that would be why I hired her. Some years ago, I learned the hard way but it took a couple times because I took the cheap route looking for that great experience. You get what you pay for.
As for this...
"I'm talking about average looking or worse with either no reviews or reviews with low marks."
That sounds like you're looking at ads on shitty sites and you should try your query on reddit or find some chat boards that specialize in low hanging fruit.
Every time you open your mouth, it’s like a pile of make believe trash comes out. Just because you were with women who did stuff with each other, doesn’t mean they were doing it for each other. If they’re both sex workers and both hired by you, don’t think for one second that they don’t both know who they’re there to entertain. It’s you, you baboon.
But of course, you would think I’m talking about a couple of ladies who pretend they’re into each other as long as they don’t have to do much with each other. If that’s what I really wanted, then this wouldn’t even be a question. Finding two ladies who hardly interact with other on the cheap is easy to find. If I paid premium dollar and got this service, I would be rightfully livid.
As for the average low reviewed ones, that was just one example dumb nuts. My question is based on many more than just that one example. But when I see an add for a duo that as a solo would net maybe $500 an hour each, charging $2000 because they’re a pair, yeah I’m going to think what the heck their value is doubled because they’re together?
I don’t waste my time with cheap women. I’m talking about above averaged priced women where some are fine with getting their hourly rate, and not more, while others up charge it a lot. I’m talking where the sex is still on the vanilla side, but there’s now two of them. And yes, they’re doing stuff with each other too, but nothing they wouldn’t already be doing with just the guy. Kissing, touching, and oral is all already on the menu.
If the session calls for greater kink, Greek, pegging, or anything else not normally on the menu, then I absolutely expect an up charge. Heck, if a lady said, to be honest I prefer solo sex and a threesome, even with a partner of my choosing is harder/more work, then shit okay I get it. Charging more makes sense.
But if she’s going to feed me a line about loving it, or preferring it, and saying she likes it or likes it more, and that it’s no harder, but she wants even more money for her time, I see nothing wrong with me wondering why. It’s just a question to stroke my curiosity. It’s not like I’m bargaining a session by posting on the board.
....but you still don't get the obvious. OK, we'll agree that you see me as some ogre that doesn't like you, whatever. On that, I don't dislike you but I do like making fun of you when you do or say stupid shit....which is often. I gave you a non-aggressive response that was meant to aid in what you seem to be looking for even though you can't understand how certain providers wish to charge more for a curated, highly personal experience. BTW, there are numerous women out there that will give you a 3-way interactive experience at their normal rates. Why not just focus on them and not worry about others that command a premium for premium services because you're clearly not meant for that kind of arrangement. Besides, given your proclivity to play on both sides of the field should open your options much wider than normal men.
I didn't post this as an attempt to get any providers charging more to change their rates. That's not my lane. I have always said they should charge what they want. And, I am very well aware of my options. I laid that out from the beginning. This is not about me not finding options or wanting more options. It's more of a question to understand why some up charge. I'm just curious.
Yes! I am there to please. You’re totally wrong. Let’s agree to disagree. I have a real like girlfriend, so yes we are there to please each other included.
Why would you think you get another female for free?
Many women are single mothers & you think they don’t deserve to be compensated for their time. 😂 ☠️
I never said you're not there to please each other. Quite the opposite. But you also know that if I hire you and I pay you both, I am the focal point. I am the client. What you do with each other may be to please each other, and I am not saying otherwise. But you also know it's to please me. Part of the fantasy is me seeing you two with each other, and Bia you are smart enough to know this.
And who said anything about getting another female for free? If I pay you your hourly rate. And, I pay your duo partner her hourly rate. That's double. And, in the event one of you charges more per hour, the assumption is I pay the higher rate to both of you. Nothing about this is free. I'm paying twice as much.
I will use your rate, as an example. If I pay you 1k for an hour, that's exactly what you ask me to pay. I'm not asking you to bring a friend and not pay more. She would also get 1k for an hour. Now, I am paying 2k for an hour. It's double because there are two of you. But in some cases, I see providers wanting $2500-$3000 for the two hours. They increase their hourly rates so both are getting more for their hour then if they were solo. I'm just asking why some up charge while others don't.
And to be clear, I am not asking you or any other provider to change your rates. That's 100% your decision. You decide your worth, not me. I don't haggle. I either book a provider at her advertised rate, or move on. I'm just asking out of curiosity.
👉 Reply "From A Threesome Specialist"
@hehitshewins
Your statement in so many words:
"They both get paid but don't have to work as hard and their expense is halved"....
I respectfully disagree Sir.
I find Threesomes to be more "work" because we're aiming to please said
Client and the "Duo Partner", thus 2x's the "work" (Fun!).
Just like marriages;
Sometimes Threesomes are great, other times, I've heard, they're average depending on the synergy.
(I've always experienced excellent
ones however)
If "Duos Partners" are synergistic as my Partner and I are, we always provide ultimate satisfaction for our Clients for
a competitive, market-rate donation.
The logistics of creating a truly
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Omniscient of individual likes, dislikes, strengths and weaknesses, we're in tune and abreast of each other's stamina.
This awareness translates into "unspoken nuances" of when to change activity, positions, alter pace and timing...
"Synergistic" indeed!
We're intimately aware of each other's safety/pain threshold in the instance when/if a Gentleman is being too rough, or needs to hasten;
Timing is of-the-essence whilst
completing an earth-shattering release!
I enjoy working with my "Duos Partner" because the chemistry is apparent;
We joke, laugh and love to pamper our cherished Clients and each other, and it shows.....
Because why not?
Life's too short to not indulge
"disfruta el punto dulce!!
The pinnacle of sensations via a
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Xo AJ
This - ""They both get paid but don't have to work as hard and their expense is halved".... is not at all what I am saying. I would disagree with me too.
I’m talking about you normally charge $700 for an hour. Your duo partner does as well. It’s still an hour, and $1400 would not be halving what you earn. It’s still paying your hourly rate. But I see providers who want $2400, $1200 each, when it’s a duo. That’s a big jump from $700.
And, if it’s your duo partner, you likely have your shit worked out. I fail to see where the need for an extra $1000 comes to play. If I want a threesome, I just won’t choose you for up charging so much, especially when there are plenty that do not. It’s a competitive market.
Nothing about what I am saying suggests that either of you are working any less hard. Neither is this about sharing expenses. If I am paying for your time, my assumption is your working just as hard and your costs are just as much as it would be for a solo session.
And I’m not looking for bargains and cheap escorts. I’m simply looking for what I feel is fair pricing.
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If you can buy a bottle of Opus One at the liquor store for $495 but you try and order one with dinner at the local steakhouse and end up complaining that it's unfair to the manager because it costs $1200? Does your BF get embarrassed?
I’m on topic and trying to move the convo forward. It’s just difficult when you cannot understand what others see as so obvious. I can’t help how incredibly stupid you make yourself look.
It's impossible to take anything you say seriously when it's clear you lack reading comprehension skills.
when you have to try and explain to numerous people what you're "really" trying to say you, you should worry less about their comprehension and focus on getting your message across correctly the first time.
Meanwhile, I have asked several who made false accusations to point out where in my original message I said such a thing and all I have gotten is crickets, you included.
Unlike in this topic, there is logical explanation and reasoning that restaurant businesses give for high bottle prices and corkage fees. It's not merely "because they can" or "because they want to".
or in heshitsondik's case, another penis-haver and have that highly interactive 3 some where the client is still pleasured by the other two. The guest he brought is the corkage. There are still providers that will charge substantially more for the threesome and that's ok if they have no basis for the upcharge other than because. After all, the +1 is doing half the work, right?
He's sounds like the same guy that will get his house reroofed and "help" the contractor and then want $45/hr for his time deducted from the final bill.
Is whatever a willing seller and a willing buyer agree to. You don't have the money for dinner at Carne Mare or Muku? Good luck getting them to lower their prices to what you think is "fair".
My goodness, it's like you feel the need to respond without reading. No one is trying to get anyone to lower their prices. They can charge whatever they want. It's a simple question of asking about their rationale, given some do and some don't charge more.
I mean you posted a rant about a providers rate structure and are arguing with the providers who are responding to you with their rationale. So you’re just complaining and arguing for no reason?
Read my original post. Tell where the complaint is. Can a man not just be curious? Last I checked, this is place to create conversations. I was simply asking a question and trying to see what their rationale may be. Instead, I got accused of complaining, of expecting a freebie, of tyrying to force rates to be lowered, and a whole bunch of things I never said. So yes, I argued with them because they made stuff up I never said. I'm not arguing to get them to change. I'm arguing to get them to not make stuff up I never said and get a straight answer.
See my answer to one provider who just answered the question, and her answer was because they can? I thanked her for answering the question. If that's someone's reason, I'm not hear to argue with it. If someone was to provide other reasons, that's fine too. I'm not trying to judge or fight with any for whatever their reasons are. I'm not here to change their minds or their rates. I'm just curious. And, I have literally said this like 8 times in this thread. Why is comprehending this so hard?
And you didn't even criticize anything. Lol.
You see, you are not allowed to ask questions or even dicuss pricing here.
All you are allowed to say is yessir and no m'am. That's it.
Rationale? Pffffftt a customer is just a wallet with legs. These pesky customers should be grateful providers are gracing them with their mere presence and existence.
He's NOT trying to get a lower price...what the fuck is wrong with people?! He's just made because if he went into Carne Mare as some rando and ordered the Tomahawk but wanted Chef Andrew to come out to the table, hand carve it and entertain he and his boyfriend for 20 minutes there might be an upcharge for that. In heshitsondick' world, Chef is working anyhow so why should he have to pay more because he's just working differently?
Not really. I only pity nice people who are stupid. But stupid assholes like you deserve no pity.
Because they can. And because guys will pay the rates. The free market always decides. Always.
I appreciate the honest answer. It's all I am looking to get.
That is a nonanswer that would be considered rude in many respectable discussions.
It's essentially a "none of your business" answer when in fact, it IS part of our business as we're the buyers. It also appears very insecure.
I cannot imagine asking my doctor about why doing two crowns instead of one costs 3x the price, and getting that "answer" back.
"Because they can " is an nonanswer that treats the customer as someone with no voice or reasoning capabilities...but rather a walking atm, without brain or voice and the only ability is to open or close the wallet.
And BTW this market isn't really free. It is not perfectly competitive and typically there is no undercutting.
Overall it's funny when customers are asked all kind of questions on here and we reply with full honesty and transparency. And yet sellers balk at our questions when they are insecure.
Like for example, we can answer why some of us prefer paying a bit more for several one hour sessions with different providers over multiple hours with same provider. And not resort to "because we can" or "because we want to" but actually providing reasoning (imagine that) behind our decision-making.
But ask why the discrepancy of pricing in doubles, etc and it's the same ol' insecure bs nonanswer. And then providers ask why we are grumpy at sellers. Shit maybe because some of us don't like to be treated like wallets with legs?
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This is one of those instances where you’re getting a very simple explanation but refuse to listen to it because you don’t like the answer you got. A lot of guys want threesomes. Finding women who want to do threesomes is hard. Clients are willing to pay more for it so some providers will charge more for it. It’s the same reason why many providers that offer Greek charge more for it. If you don’t think Scarlet’s answer is acceptable then you’re not going to find an answer you like. If you think Scarlet’s response was rude then you’re too sensitive and need to toughen up. You can be very blunt and rude yourself too, so give it a rest. You got a perfectly cromulent answer.
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Anyway, plenty of providers have chimed in with an answer on this thread. You can keep posting if you want but I don’t think you’re going to find an answer you like. This is one of those instances I talked about a few weeks ago. The way that you’re carrying yourself is going to make people less likely to consider your point of view.
No, "because we can" is not an explanation. It's a "none of your business" answer". But it is my business as long as I'm a customer. I have a voice besides saying yes and no.
The next time a cop asks you why you were speeding, reply "because I can". What do you think would happen? The next time a judge asks you why you did something in court, reply "because I could". Lol. Do it and I want to hear what the reaction was/is. Please.
Do you see ceos of companies justify pricing increases and changes in pricing of their products as simply "because we can"? I don't think so.
Its not that I don't like the answer, it is not an answer at all. Not writing anything would be a better answer.
Funny enough, when it comes to providers rationale behind deposits, providers don't say "because we can". They actually provide rationale behind their decision to charge deposits. Do you know why? Have a guess.
....and reminds me of the "double dip" thread some time ago where several morons were twisting themselves into knots trying to rationalize the arguments they should have not gotten into.
Because we can IS THE ULTIMATE REASON no matter how unsettling of an answer that is for you. If you can't grab onto that, maybe ask your clinician for a prescription of Risperidone (or a higher dosage).
There are no industry standards to form any kind of standardization of rates. Supply and demand + perception of quality="because they can fucking charge whatever they want." I would imagine there's an element of seeing the buyer having the means to pay more or a greater desire to spend what is required to have the best time possible.
Telling a cop or judge you decided to break the law "because you can" is comparing apples to hammers. Neither party in either of those examples are contemplating engaging services of another. Please.
As far as a CEO or a company charging whatever they want, lol, ask Pfizer why an Epi pen 2 pack is usually over $600 in the states and the equal dosage in Mexico is $15. Because they can? I think so...
Provider deposits are much more of a recent thing, and yes they do justify why they do it. Someone did it first and it caught on, now it's common practice among many.
Restaurants began charging automatic gratuities on larger tables somewhere in the 50's and 70' according to AI even though there is no required amount or guest count. They do it because they can.
Las Vegas popped the cherry on resort fees 20 years ago. Now, lodging properties across the country add resort fees to the lodging rates and it's absolutely an arbitrary charge...why??? Because they fucking can.
See a pattern here??
Once again, "because we can" is condescending bullshit mixed with a dose of "none of your business".
Maybe you sellers who have contempt for innocuous questions - in hospitality and whoring industry alike - need to realize that the year is 2025,people online, prospective customers and current alike will ask for reasoning behind rates. And will review you and criticize you online. And it's not because "we can", it's because we're part of the business. And it's not just take it or leave it, many of us will leave in-depth pieces on why a pricing strategy is wrong or damaging. And our voice should be heard too!
Being rude and condescending bitches about it does nothing for you.
Its not apple to oranges when talking to popo or judges. It's exactly why you wouldn't say this to police or a judge when asked for rationale behind your actions. It's rude, condescending to an authority and makes you look unlikeable - which of course is a huge point for yall. You'd rather keep the perception than to take off the mask.
But I forget, yall view authority with hind legs on the floor and your forehead on the floor too. But customer is shit to yall. Don't have to explain yourself to customer, customer can't ask questions. Just sya yes or no, accept price but no under circumstance can they criticize or complain about it publicly.
Lol. Fuck outta here. Any customer not only could but they also should question prices. If it's tgtbt, ask questions. If it seems like weird "hooker math", ask questions. Many feedback and comments on prices have made agencies and amps in my areas to change their rates.
"Provider deposits are much more of a recent thing, and yes they do justify why they do it. "
Yes they justify it but you know why? It's not because they are new. It's because there is a strong link between deposits and scams, so sellers want to emphasize they're not scammers.
So in this case they DO go out of their way to provide rationale and explanation. So - holy shit - they CAN do it. But only in situations where they think it's necessary. As usual customers are just dirt so they don't deserve an explanation from viewpoint of sellers. They deserve a condescending "because we can". Im Judy showing the hypocrisy here. Seller only willing to provide rationale in cases they can benefit from it. What does it say they think of customers? Right, wallets with legs.
And as far as I can say, treating customer like an equal with as much respect you have for any authority >>>>> mere existence of your business in any industry.
As far as pfizerr ceo, please use Ai or whatever you can to find a direct quote. Thanks in advance. Usually ceos take pr classes to not be rude and say dumb shit to customers even if they think that. And if they say something like that there is usually a huge customer pushback and that ceo resigns.
" Now, lodging properties across the country add resort fees to the lodging rates and it's absolutely an arbitrary charge...why??? Because they fucking can."
Nope, it's not because they can.
It's because resort fees don't show up in many searches and thus exploit psychological behavior of customer. Because resort fee end up tucked on and are not viewed as full price, it helps to reel in customers who wouldnt otherwise bite on the higher price. They will only see the resort fee at checkout and then might be too committed at that point.
So no, snafu. It's not because they can. It's because by adding extra fees that are semi-hidden nstead of adding those fees upfront, this enables to trick customers and extract more $$$ from them than they otherwise would. That and them being greedy. But who wants to admit they are greedy amirite?
Do you see the pattern here where I actually explain the reasoning behind pricing structures? You should try it for once instead of chasing another dirty dollar in customers pocket.
There are books written as to why people structure prices a certain way. Pretty sure those books aren't filled with "because we can". No, they are filled with human behavioral patterns.
For example decoy effect has long been discussed on this board as well
.......Holy shit dude, you should take a deep breath, LMAO!
If you want to question every provider you meet about how he/she has structured her rates and demand those rates remain reasonable...good luck, bro! I usually walk thru the door carrying a gift or a bottle of wine as an opener but if you want to walk in and audit her P&L to make sure her margin is fair, well, that's an interesting strategy, I'll give you that!
The only two words in your whole post that made any sense at all was "hooker math". I kick myself for not throwing that out as a primary reason right away. The only thing that makes sense in pricing is that they can price anything they want for whatever fee they can. You are free to patronize or not, that's the reality. Stamping your feet and crying about it is a real bad look dude.
And no, I'm not going to go on a deep search for what the Pfizer CEO said, what is it you're looking for me to find? The board minutes or the presentation from marketing on what to charge? Fuck off, my example stands as previously written.
" You should try it for once instead of chasing another dirty dollar in customers pocket."
This one really confuses me...you know I"m a monger, right? I'm not selling sex. Hope that clears it up for you.
Also, yes, I believe providers see you as a wallet or atm. Well, after that post, they probably see you on a "do not see" list because "boy is cray cray...NO CAP!", actually. The minute the client thinks he's something more than a source of funds is when he's losing his grip on reality.
I'll wrap this up with a suggestion. Next time you come home after a nasty bender, stay of the discussion board or at least don't hit "send" until you look at it in the morning.
I was merely replying to your asinine post.
I do not ask for every providers rationale, I believe part of the discussion boards is to dicuss this biz related matters including matters of pricing strategies. That's exactly what hehits did.
And offers critique of them if needed. Which he didn't - but is also well within his rights as a consumer.
That's a basic, consumer feedback and participation in the business they are a part of.
"hooker math" isn't a reason. It's a symptom.
Like I've said there are reasons behind hidden service fees such as resort fees. It's not because they can there is a concrete underlying reason for it.
Just like there are underlying reasons for deposits.
People acting like talking about pricing is none of customers business, is absolutely pathetic and insane. Some of us mongers care about reasoning.
....the conversation HAS OCCURRED and you didn't get the outcome you apparantly wanted. Seems like the conversation has now died and you won't let go of it. What else is there to say on it than women will charge what the hell they want and you have a choice...the power lays in your hand, or hand if you're a cheap ass. OR, just clench your little fists and keep stamping your feet like a little girl I guess??
Listen, you’re just kind of being dense and obtuse here. You’re having a hard time understanding the basic concept of supply and demand. I know nobody has explicitly used these words yet but it’s not our fault you’re struggling to pick up and understand concepts at play and the nuances of communication. When demand is high and/or supply is low, the price of a product will increase. There are a lot of guys who want a threesome with two women (high demand). There are not many woman who want to have a threesome with them (low supply). So the price is going to be higher. Scarlet said this very eloquently with three sentences. Maybe you should read Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations” before you start posting random wikipedia articles about pricing theory.
I don't think you understand that in a perfectly competitive market, if you want to talk economics, the price is determined via equilibrium price.
It is NOT or *ever* determined by the seller, at all and cannot be interpreted as "we set it to whatever we want". It's strictly determined by supply (seller) and demand (buyer).
Perhaps you should revisit your microecon. Shit, arent you in finance?
And my article isn't random. It talks about a pricing technique that manipulates customer behavior. And hence there is explanation behind pricing. There are many dark patterns in marketing and behavioral science.
Hidden fees is another one that snaffu brought up. The resort fee exists because it's obfuscated hidden fee. Not because "they can". The question is "why is it structured like that", not "why can they get away with doing this".
OK buddy, here you go. You asked, and I will give you the equation that ALL providers use to determine how much they will charge to get the highest rate of return. Now this is a HUGE insider secret, so don't go blabbing!!!
d/dx (4x3 + 2x2 + 1) = 12x2 + 4x
The result, 12x2 + 4x, is the gradient of the function.
12x2 + 4x = 4x(3x+1), which equals zero when x = 0 or x = -1/3.
d/dx (12x2 + 4x) = 24x + 4
At x = 0, 24x + 4 = 4, which is greater than zero. This is a minimum.
At x = -1/3, 24x + 4 = -4, which is less than zero. This is a maximum.
At x = -1/3, y = 4x3 + 2x2 + 1 = -4/27 + 2/9 + 1 = 29/27
Therefore the function has a maximum profit value at (-1/3, 29/27).
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I hear "because we can" didn't quite work out for the old CEO.
What a shame.
where you might be implying that an assassination is justifiable. Go ahead, it's just a fuckboard, you can say the quiet part out loud in here.
You are struggling to understand basic Econ 101 concepts and how they work in the real world. Perfectly competitive markets are theoretical and many markets in the real world aren’t perfectly competitive. Perfectly competitive markets require identical products. Obviously no two providers are the same. This is why there are porn stars charging $2000 an hour and other providers charging $200 an hour. If the market was perfectly competitive each provider would charge the same price. However they don’t, so the market isn’t perfectly competitive. You’re starting with a faulty premise that renders your argument illogical. That’s problem number one.
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Problem number two is when you said price “is not ever determined by the seller.” This is simply wrong and there are plenty of real world examples that demonstrate this (including the one being discussed in this thread lol). Have you ever heard of a “price maker” and “price taker?” These are Econ 101 concepts. Price makers have market power, usually due to their size or a lack of competition. As a result they have the ability to influence and negotiate prices. A price taker is someone with no power. They can’t influence or negotiate prices. The only choice they have is to take it or leave it.
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So the thing is, you’re just babbling about this crap but you don’t really know what the hell you’re talking about. The situation discussed in this thread disproves your whole argument. Your ability to ignore reality and babble about bullshit you barely understand is impressive. I’m truly impressed, you really do love to argue even if it means spouting nonsense. Have a good weekend my friend. I’ll see you on another thread.
I’m fairly confident from reading thousands of websites and ads that the supply isn’t the reason. That said, this is simply for a threesome. You may be onto something with a threesome where the ladies interact with each other. There’s a whole crew of mostly European escorts who go as far as trying to bait you into a threesome when you show up to find her friend/roommate leaving. They almost all just charge their hour rate but you’re paying both of them. So no additional up charge. But from reading many reviews on these types, they do little to nothing with each other. Some might kiss a little. But they are more just pleasing you.
Ladies who truly get into each other are absolutely less common. Not necessarily hard to find. But perhaps they’re not meeting the demand?
Which goes along with the answer being "because they can".
I think those that seek out 3-somes are actually signalling a greater demand/need for sexual stimulation. That is information any escort can infer, and I suspect those that offer 3-somes pick that up from their sessions, and will see it as an opportunity to make a bit more money. So that increased profits seem to come in one of two forms, a pecuniary return in the form of premium paid or in a non-pecuniary form in sharing the work with some other escort (same money, less effort = greater profit for effort).
But is seriously doubt that any (maybe a few) actually run through some explicitly thought out price plan rather than it being just an intuitive, inarticulate grasp of the price that can be asked.
Had him on my ignore list for a couple years now. And seeing the replies you and others give to his comments that I can’t see always just validates my decision. Lol.
What were the results of your spectrum testing? Were you able to find a therapist that can work with you?
Obviously, in the free market world of escorting, an upcharge for a threesome should not surprise anyone. But the OP is curious about what many escorts who do upcharge say about the “why” of the charge. If pressed to defend, I’d imagine that the statement “it’s more work to please 2 than 1” is most common.
I’ve had double digit number of threesomes and I am of the belief that NONE of them involved “more work” for my escort partners. In fact, I can confidently say that my experiences fall into 2 categories:
1) Threesomes where the companions have shared “the work” and;
2) Threesomes where the companions have shared “the pleasure”
In the very best experiences (#2 above) there is true 3way interactive interaction…mutually pleasurable and not “more work” for anyone…just lots of pleasure. In #1 above, the sharing of a focus on me, with minor interaction between the ladies is more of a shared, or division of, labor experience.
So, yeah, companions who upcharge are simply playing by the rules of supply and demand. But, please, the idea that it is more work? I don’t think so
And, I appreciate your answer. One of the main reasons I asked it is because of the inconsistency. I feel I see as many that up charge as those who don’t. Whereas, something like Greek is by far usually an up charge. I think if up charging for threesomes was more consistently done, I wouldn’t wonder why some do and some don’t.
I personally prefer when the girls give discounted doubles rates because they feel it's less work and/or they enjoy it, but there aren't that many out there anymore that do this. Nor do I insist on it with I decide to book a doubles. That being said, I can understand why girls don't discount or make it an upcharge. No discount with regular rates is because even if it is less work, it's still the girl's time that she could be working elsewhere. Why an upcharge? Well it actually is more work in some cases because contrary to what you may think, many women who offer doubles don't actually like girls and are faking it. You have to entertain 2 people, and some of these guys want the girls to keep putting on a show during refractory period which means no break. There's also the challenge of coordination and scheduling, which is extra work before the appointment. Final thing is if the market bears it, then they can upcharge. Of course not every girl feels this way and you as a client are not entitled to anything and you can choose not to meet girls who do upcharges.
I believe this is the first post here that actually attempted to answer the question and not circumvent it.
Thank you!
Personally in 3somea I prefer both girls working on me than with each other. One of my favorite threesome configuration is for one girl to rim me while I fuck the other girl and switch between her orifices. I don't mind the girl to girl play but it's far less important than double pleasing me.
Of course, everyone has their own preferences.
I guess you can tell her she's wrong as well I suppose, you've already made the point of telling the other women they are.
Why would I say she's wrong?
It's a valid answer (as opposed to a non answer of because I can ), and it's based on her experience.
It's a perfectly fine answer that I have zero qualms with. This is the type of answer people will tell their loved ones or a cop or a judge, ie it provides logical and coherent reasoning for a higher price point than simple linear scaling would make it.
I can only speak for myself, but there are definitely legit bi (and even lesbian) escorts who have their reasons.
In my case, I love the idea of duos (paycheck to include a skilled beauty, right?), but in reality I find it far more stressful than a one-on-one appointment. Attraction to women and its byproducts (investment in her personal opinions of me, fear of her not enjoying it, fear of getting carried away and offending either of them, fear of incompatibility, etc) mostly add stress in the context of P4P.