Wonder why there is no link to this site on tbd. Wonder, too, why references to the site are routinely deleted by the moderators??????Dr Shish Kebob

let's see....TBD-   fairly useless litany of escapades with big dollar legends, with payola and favouritism obvious and rampant...TER-  A democratic/consumerist Zagat approach to sensual services with core useful information being relatively freely exchanged...I bet you that Fodor's doesn't like Zagats that much either-  except that TBD seems to be run by a real cabal of jerks who are really trying to shunt business to their friends/payola partners and have no moral standards at all.IMHO of course.

I have to basically agree with sully.  Though, I'm less certain its about financial gain.  I'd expect he runs the boards the way he does, because it gets him in good with the escorts.Falcon

If for no other reason to be suspicious of the TBD site, is the large number of paid (?) advertisements for escorts, who uniformly tend to be highly rated.

First, welcome aboard Dr.SK. It is great to finally see someone else from DC find this place and to answer your question hate is maybe to strong but it is rather funny how often when this site gets mentioned in a positve manner on any TBD Board that the post rapidly gets deleted but when someone slams it, ususally a provider not happy with the Review Section, that the rant stays up until someone challenges it. Then the whole thread gets deleted. As the popularity of this board grows, especially in NYC, the references keep popping up more and more. It should be interesting to watch the dynamics the rest of this year.

I tried to post a review on this site.  It is my preference not to post the exact details of an encounter, and I was not willing to answer some of the other explicit questions about the girl, which I personally find to be in bad taste. When I found that it would not allow me to post the review unless those questions were answered, I just marked "Don't know" next to the questions I didn't want to answer.  I also emailed this site and voiced my opinion in a polite way, simply pointing out that the furnishing of such information ought to be optional rather than required.  I also pointed out that my review (a very good one)did contain a lot of useful information about the girl, including all pertinent contact information, which members here would miss out on if they did not post the review.  (This girl has no other reviews on this site even though she has been in the business quite a while.  This is true of many providers in the Southeast -- this site is lacking in respect to reviews in my area of the country.)  I did get a reply, basically telling me they were not willing to change.  Also, my review was NOT posted (even with the "Don't know's" in it).  So, censorship is everywhere.  Please note:  I did NOT ask them to delete the type of information that I am not willing to furnish.  I simply requested that it be made optional.

Hello all! Well, this is one area that I have to disagree on. I have paid for a banner recently on TBD, although I have let it lapse. I have ALWAYS had good reviews on TBD and have never met TBD himself. So I have not curried favor with TBD do get the reviews I do. I believe all of that is only rumor, at least based on my own experiences. I found myself added to the top ten list way back in 99' and was very surprised by it. Landed there by my own merit of loving my "job"!Course, you only have my word on this, but then, my reviews on TER play out this as well. They are bit more objective in standard than all the ones on TBD, which is a more normal standard, I think. I have looked at the reviews of other escorts of very high service standard and noted that on occasion they recieve lower marks, as each persons taste can run differently, not to mention the chemistry factor. For this reason TER does provide a good base for you gents to play!Personally, I like both sites these days. Soft Kisses and Warm Hugs,Nicole

TER and TBD are fairly close competitors, you just don't do advertisement for your enemy.IMO, TBD is doing it the hard way, are their moderators paid?  It took much more effort to delete messages after posting than to let selected messages through.  So I wonder is it possible that someone (nuts) often tried to mention TBD positively but their posts never see the light of day.  You can't prove me wrong, can you?  Unless you are the moderator.IMO, TBD is more predictable.  Anything post that is against their interest will not last long.  You can learn from examples because you got to see which posts are deleted.For TER, you never knows, that depends on the moderator and how good you are in rimming.BTW, I have a question in my mind for a long time.  Why TER and some other sites cannot be found in major search engines?  They don't want too much attention?  Can't handle the traffic?  They only want word of mouth recommendation?  That doesn't make sense in cyberspace.

Then how come I've seen such things as negative posts (things like failure to return deposits after no showing) about TBD's favored providers deleted?  This happens even after the lady has posted confirming that indeed she is having a dispute with the client about the issue mentioned.  I've seen this sort of thing a number of times there.  TBD seems convinced he needs to protect some of these ladies from their own decisions.  The problem with that is that he is preventing clients from making informed decisions.Falcon

I'm not trying to suggest that most of the ladies who are so well thought of on TBD's site don't deserve it.  But, I think its only reasonable to take any information garnered from the site with a grain of salt, since it may not be the whole story.  So, its a good place to get leads, but do followup with checking them out on more reliable sites.Falcon

Dear Readers,The two boards are not comparable.  TBD is no longer a legitimate "review" board, but is rapidly evolving into a pure advertising board, along the lines of an "escort mall" like eros, exotics, etc.  I agree with other comments: by accepting heavy advertising, allowing moderation that openly favors higher-end providers ($250+), and limiting information flow (no details, critical/negative reviews heavily censored),  the only session information left standing lacks even the pretense of objectivity.  The end result?  Inflated, promotional reviews, mostly worthless.  Certainly TBD is reluctant to link to a board that provides more objective data, because he is still promoting his board as having value as an "review" source.  In fact, he disallows any links to other sources of provider info as a matter of course (read his board guidelines).  It is apparent that he seeks to "control" information to further his own agendas, whatever they may be (currying favor with providers? maintaining ad revenue? inflating prices?).  If he himself is well-intentioned (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), he has certainly set up his boards so that other mods can easily manipulate and work to further their own agendas.  Whether good-intentioned or bad, the end result is the same, the reviews are tainted.   Naturally TBD doesn't want to lose his user base to a superior business model. deleting pro-TER posts is one way to try to control this.  But ultimately, actual session opinions are the biggest draw for a review site, and TBD has fatally compromised his ability to deliver that content.  I predict the continued migration of "real" reviewers away from TBD, and the TBD board ultimately ceasing to function in any capacity as a review board, but merely as an escort mall.Have fun, stay safe, and leave the lights ON!!Iceman

Fine. Just dont call my reviews that are existing tainted! I have "worked" long and hard at making sure my clients are satisfied by enjoying meeting them and sharing time with them. I guess I take the inferences to TBD to a personal level. Somehow feeling that the inferences to reviews is generalized to all the reviews up there. Frankly, not a one on TBD was either self generated, nor posted by freinds, nor posted by anyone other than a satisfied client who wrote about the good time they had. No discount was offered by me to have them write a good review either. I suspect that is true of many of the other ladies as well. I think you may find some tainting even withing TER if it does go on. Just have to do your homework I guess! and As I stated, TER creates a much more objective format with the ratings scales on appearance and performance. It creates a way for people to step back and think about the session. Although, if ya had fun,thats the bottom line! Shouldnt have to think to hard about it!Happy Hunting All,Nicole

On a slightly different point of view from my post below I can tell you that in most instances the moderators of the local TBD Boards have very little communication with TBD and many times get no warning what so ever when he jumps into a heated debate. I know five guys who at one time or another were the mod of one of his regional boards. Most of them found out at the same time that everyone else did when he didn't like the way a thread was going.In defense of TBD it is his site and his baby. I much prefered the way it was two years ago, at least in DC when a bunch of us could pretty much openly talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly without offending him or one of his rules. Obviously his boards have changed but then so has our culture. Before if you wanted to know something in your local area you went to the board, now if it is on the board probably someone either because you belong to a group of some sort or because of a freindship has already told you the information. (Again my points of reference are east coast but I would tend to believe it is the same everywhere) I think also that if we walked in his shoes and heard some of the things he probably gets dragged into on a repeated basis we might be a little more understanding of his actions. Again, this is not a blanket endorsement of him but except when he shows favortism to a ridiculous extreme or when he has publicly outed some hobbyist on one of his boards- to me the ultimate no-no, I try to give the man the benefit of the doubt.Finally I do hate to see a thread turn into a public hanging, especially about another site. I have on multiple occasions either warned posters on the ER Boards I moderate or deleted their post when they trash TBD or anyone else for that matter. So hopefully this thread will not degenerate any further.

>>IMO, TBD is doing it the hard way, are their moderators paid?  It took much more effort to delete messages after posting than to let selected messages through. Not all messages on TER are moderated.  Most participants with registered handles soon have their posts go up immediately.  I have moderated these boards both ways, and I find this way to be more time-consuming, but it keeps most of the spam off the boards.  And the moderators on TER are not paid.>>So I wonder is it possible that someone (nuts) often tried to mention TBD positively but their posts never see the light of day. No.  As you can see, there are positive remarks about TBD posted here.>>You can't prove me wrong, can you?  Unless you are the moderator.I don't know how even I could prove you wrong.>>IMO, TBD is more predictable. Anything post that is against their interest will not last long. Yes, as some people here have pointed out.>>For TER, you never knows, that depends on the moderator and how good you are in rimming.How did you know I like that?  >>BTW, I have a question in my mind for a long time. Why TER and some other sites cannot be found in major search engines? They don't want too much attention? Can't handle the traffic? They only want word of mouth recommendation? That doesn't make sense in cyberspace. This is a question for Staff and should be asked on the Suggestions and Policies Board.--modified by Girl Next Door at Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 14:57:15

As one who knows I agree wholeheartedly w/Nicole.  And I have never self reviewed.  ever.Re TBD's placement of top escorts, well in my case it's laughable. I was one of the first listed in the top 25 Tbd national escorts when there were no regional boards.  i knew nothing knew about it ~ had not been contacted by Tbd, so no favors asked there.  It was clients who later informed me. When I contacted TBD, he said that if I felt uncomfortable w/the exposure, he would remove me, so for a while I was  taken off. only to be voted up again, and so at the urging of clients, i said "okay". I'd just have to screen more tightly.The man, TBD, was always decent to me and never, ever, ever compromised himself to me, nor put me in any position to be compromised by himself as aforementioned posts(favors, et al).I was the one who approached him about advertising on his site.  Asked for money or favors?  He NEVER did.  You'd think he'd be asking the top ones, if anyone, wouldn't he?And, in conclusion on that note,  I think he should finally make some dough off his site. It's a lot of work.  TER staff know that much!!Reliability of reviews?  Boy there have been some stinkers on this board too, right?  Try to be fair, gentlemen.  I've said my piece.cheers...ff--modified by feliciafoxx at Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 16:06:12

Sure, the place is great for providers.  After all, you never have to worry about reading about the customer you disappointed or failed.  You never get told that you weren't that great a time.  You don't have to worry about hearing from the guy who's deposit you stole or the guy whose personal information you have been handing out.  Certainly its understandable why you like that.  Unfortunately, the lady's prospective clients don't get that information either and can't make informed decisions because of it.  I don't doubt that TBD doesn't take anything from the providers.  I also feel he has the right to run his boards anyway he chooses.  But, no one can deny that he chooses to run them in a biased manner that doesn't allow clients the oppertunity to develop a true picture of the quality of any of the "reviewed" providers' services.Falcon

Is the Commisar still in town?--  Sorry could not resist the 80s reference!Rock me I'm a dentist!And now back to your regular board...

May be we should meet somewhere to do it.  But then the oldest one I did was 19, a year or two ago in OC!  Probably I couldn't bring myself to do it for you, but who knows, we can always do something else. ps Did BD's writing style that bad?-------------------unforgettable!--modified by xxxx at Sun, Apr 29, 2001, 09:54:32

Dear Falco ...I gave info as to my knowledge and experience.  But as per your statements, personally addressed to me, all TBD women, or not,(Btw, who is "you"?):* I dont take pleasure in upsetting my patrons.  Never have taken pleasure that way. I do try to improve so that the next client doesnt have to suffer a mistake I made in a previous session.  If a patron is unhappy or uncomfortable I try to read his energy -  am much better at it than I used to be...* Had you read my post above you would note that I indicated that I was uncomfortable for some time being rated on that board, (or even any board which at the time were Blue Pond and Foxfiles).  Yes, what is nice and that I do like is that by virtue of reviews and ratings, clients KNOW that i dont rip them off. * Re "biased and uninformative reviews" ... TBD does not allow explicit details, TER requires them, is that what you are saying?  If so, my response is Hallelujah, we have choices! * Aberration?. Nah. Notice. there are some ladies rated well on that board (TBD), who are also rated well on THIS board (TER). But of course, a dangling hairball gets anyone coughing for a LONG TIME...one bad apple....so on.  Falco, with due respect, I'm not trying to change what you might know as fact, of course.  Facts dont need help from FF. But I dont think throwing the baby out with the bathwater solves anything.  You love TER, stick wid it! TBD will be fine.Take care,FF  --modified by feliciafoxx at Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 19:12:49--modified by feliciafoxx at Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 20:04:46

To be clear, I in no way intended to imply that these sort of lapses where ever commited by you.  I simply meant that I have seen these sorts of lapses attributed to ladies that TBD rates at the top of his list.  When these sorts of lapses occur, TBD actively works to cover them up.Falcon

Nor have I been involved with "these sort of lapses!" Nuff said!

My Dear Nicole.Point well taken. I jumped in right after your post, because you are  a shining example of the ladies to whom I refer in my previous post. Having been with you and spent a lot of time talking with you, I know you put your heart into this work.Expounding on my point in the previous post, other ladies who are rated highly on both boards include wownikki and  franchescha. On both these boards with outstanding reviews. xoxoFF

My Dear Falco,I have no firsthand experience of this.  I surmise, knowing TBD personally  to some extent, that he puts some thought into the tone and apparent intent of whomever, and does try to avert a suspected problem.  Right or wrong, my take comes from an entirely different perspective from yours, as you've made clear in your previous posts.  I was under attack on his board once together with wownikki. TBD's response was most gratifying to us; in that case we had substantiation that it was fair, astute and accurate in final action.But in your specific case/s I wasn't there. So I can only comment based upon my perception of your comments which seemed  to me a  blanket discrediting of us ladies' ratings and characters simply because of TBD affiliation.I hope your quest is answered in some constructive way (despite my input) and also alleviates the recurrence of your irritant.  take care,ff--modified by feliciafoxx at Fri, Apr 27, 2001, 21:32:52

hehehe

maybe I wouldnt have put a banner up on TBD's site. Only problem with that blanket statement is long before I paid TBD a cent for his site, long, long, before, I was already well liked by gents across the nation. I know that is true of the majority of ladies on the top ten, perhaps all of them. Yes, if I had to do it all over again I would still advertise on his site. Plan to again in the future.

With William Gaines now dead, the new editors of Mad Magazine agreed to accept paid advertisements. There was a howl raised by readers, concerned that this would corrupt the ability of Mad to freely lampoon individuals and companies. In a similar vein, Consumer Reports refuses to accept paid advertisements, as they believe it may suggest bias in their product reviews. Considering everything, TER's business model which refrains from such ads is much superior to that of TBD.

I believe one of the rules on the TBD is to make no mention of other Boards.  For myself, I like to foster healthy discussion on the Vegas Board.  If someone makes mention or links to the TBD, I do not delete or edit the posts.  After all, aren't boards designed to be informative to the reader?  Deleting or editing links to rival Boards does nothing in terms of the free exchange of information.

Yes, I agree that I would prefer to see links to other sites, info allowed on other sites. Is better for exchange of information. Share the wealth!

NBC mentions TBD complaint site and viable scandal.

The fractured grammar and creative mispellings?  Or the subtextual hatred toward women?

Dear Nicole,My point wasn't to suggest that your posts were tainted, that rather, my point was that the overall body of session data on TBD is skewed towards the positive side, due to the way he runs the board.  Yes, I agree that positive reviews are usually real,  but on TBD you see far fewer "mediocre" sessions reviewed or contructive criticism made about a provider than here.  This means that you only have one side of the story, the story from the satisfied clients.  So I don't mean that the individual reviews themselves are "tainted", but that the entire perspective gained from reading a provider's review history on TBD is biased.  Here the reviews use a more accurate formal process, which allow "statistics" to even out the reviews.  The 10/10/10 posts can be taken with a grain of salt, and the 3/3/3's can also be looked at with a critical eye.  The law of averages works to this boards advantage, and because reviews are not mixed with discussion, people are more comforable posting reviews without fear of flames, or defensive posts.  So more data is available, making the history even more accurate.I agree, everyone can choose which format they prefer, and of course, most people "graze" for info across many boards.  Also, I agree that TBD can choose to run his board as he sees fit.  However, I believe more and more reviewers are migrating away from TBD because of this favoritism problem.  As far as being equitable and non-partisan, I feel that TBD favors providers at the expense of hobbiests.  Information flow is restricted on TBD, and ultimately, this hurts the hobbiest, who may go into a session with inflated expectations, or having missed significant "downside" session information on a provider.  Of course, to each their own, and YMMV.Have fun, stay safe, and leave the lights ON!!Iceman

Iceman, I think I stated some of this in one of my posts. Perhaps it was my most recent one on the discussion of reviews. I agree with you to a degree. I just did not know TBD was controlling any negative reviews that came through on me?? Cant see that there would be any, other than I might not be someones attraction appearance wise. I just did not want a blanket statement made regarding ladies like Felicia, Francesca, etc. who provide excellent services coming under the TBD is bad umbrella. I guess that is my main concern.

TBD has the following rule"No other postings/ads allowed for new/existing message boards"Now "why" he has this rule I will leave up to the readersto determine.

Dear UnholyPirate,I tried to post a message about TER on your new Seattle board  http://www.thereviewboard.net, and it was promptly deleted.  Do you have a similar rule in place? I'm curious.  I notice the link to TER on your "links" page, but I take it you don't want any actual posts concerning TER on your board?  Please let me know. Thanks!Have fun, stay safe, and leave the lights ON!!Iceman--modified by Iceman at Fri, May 04, 2001, 08:40:44

Your posts there are no longer welcome.--modified by UnholyPirate at Mon, May 07, 2001, 08:23:23