I think we all have been victims of discrimination. Maybe some more, than most? I don’t discriminate. I see it all the time in ads I read. Age requirements. Weight. References. Ethnicities. Disability. Duration of time spent. Hours needed to sleep on an overnight.

Interesting question.  I feel like this is one line of work where the provider has the right to discriminate, for any reason.   If not, doesn’t that mess with our ideals of consent and self-determination?

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About 15 years or so ago, a couple of agencies (Being from and in LA) wouldn't book Hispanics. Probably figured we were all cholos.
But that was then and I haven't encountered any forms of discrimination. Or at least I haven't noticed anything. So when a young lady feel we're not a match I don't take it as it being racially motivated...I got over that shit along time ago.

I answered a provider’s ad by sending her a text message. She texted me back asking that I text her a photo of myself for her screening process. So I took a selfie with my phone camera and texted it to her. She texted back with the response: “Sorry, I can’t see you.”

Several times in my early player career I had providers close the door in my face when they saw I was black. Later, ladies sometimes asked before the encounter and then declined to see me. In the last 15 years, I've made it a practice to tell the lady in my first communication. That has saved me from door-in-the-face syndrome.  

I’m a WOC so I definitely hear you and agree, but I think when it comes to sharing a private and intimate setting we as sw have every right to choose who we spend time with.. our body, our choice. We shouldn’t have to explain ourselves nor do we owe everyone who reaches out a reason why.  

I’m not sure I understand how duration and number of hours of sleep needed constitute discrimination?

I, 100 percent agree with this for sure. I have had clients reach out to me [around 11 - 12 yrs ago, and 1 or 2 recently] book an appointment knowing that I am a WOC and saw my pictures, SHOW UP and look me dead in the face and say ''Oh I'm sorry I thought you were white'' when CLEARLY my pictures say otherwise and either walk away from my incall or a couple of them tossed  a few dollars at me and said ''here for your trouble'' like I should be happy they even tossed me that.  

Because this is the most intimate service that can be provided. So none of the usual rules apply.

Help a Fella Out.....W T F.......is a W O C................?

Young lady turns down an older gentleman.
Look, I get the whole “Her body, her choice” especially in this intimate setting.
I won’t fault or gang up on anyone who makes a decision this delicate for her.
I’m over 70 and if age is a deal breaker with her, well so be it ..,I ain’t gonna trip

Exactly.... if she isn't in to you, it won't be a pleasurable experience for either of you.

WOC......Woman of color

WOC = Woman Of Color

Well I can tell you that I have  FEW OVER 70 friends and they are AMAZING and STILL have it going on.

If i am a provider, i would have the right to refuse service to anyone, at anytime. Its not bigotry lol.

This is a personal services business that involves physical intimacy.  It's a highly personal choice on both sides.  

Just as gentlemen have a preference as to who they see be it blonde, brunette, Asian, tall, short, skinny or fat etc. So do the ladies. It's a 2 way street and not actually discrimination in most cases.

Yes, a provider can refuse service to anyone they want to, but if that refusal is applied to an entire racial category based on stereotypes, than it’s a choice rooted in bigotry.

I worked for an agency. I was often paired with men in their 60s and 90s, and I personally loved every minute of it. I had friends who wouldn't see guys over 60 or a certain weight. I didn't state a weight limit, but I really wasn't paired with obese people. I don't know?  

It has nothing to do with whether it's outside the lanes of accepted commerce. It has everything to do with a personal, intimate choice.  
Forget P4P for a moment.  Let's imagine that your view took hold in civvy dating. So now you're no longer allowed to refuse to date someone regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, physical attractiveness, politics, social status, economic status, emotional stability, hair color, eye color, size or gender orientation. Making a decision to not date on the basis of any of those criteria would be discriminatory to all people in that class. Are you ready for that?

Is it legal for a legit U.S. brothel to discriminate their services based on race? IOW, if a SW tells them in the interview process that she will not have sex with any African-American, can they legally still hire her and allow that to go in on their premises?

Every lady is an independent contractor and has 100% say over who she sees, what she charges, what acts she engages in and in many cases, what hours she works. The only interest the house has in what activities a lady provides is for advertising purposes and to bolster the image of being legally compliant (everything is covered, kissing is frowned on, anal is not allowed - has to do with the health regulations and what STD testing they do).
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The house has a minimum dollar threshold and as long as it is met, the house has zero say in anything (legally compliant) that transpires. They will have varying house policies and guidelines, of course, but those are designed around minimizing drama between the ladies - ex: house minimum *policy* is $500 (cashier will not accept less) and the *guideline* is that it can include a handjob/tittyfuck/CBJ but not sex (though who is really going to know?) and should not last more than 10-15min. The minimum booking policy keeps the ladies from undercutting each other and the guideline serves a similar purpose without creating an 'employer/employee' relationship.  
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Trying to attempt to coerce a lady into not/accepting a client, not/performing an act or regulating her financial negotiations (other than the house minimum and medical legal considerations) are all sex trafficking issues and it's a gut twist to see anyone insinuate that that sex work could/should be treated like any other industry/product regarding this. Just gross.

I agree that it is certainly not like any other industry. It is quite obviously unique on a number of levels. I also agree that no woman should be coerced to do anything.
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But what about the view from, say, an African-American male client who is turned away by the establishment for no other reason than he is black? He would clearly be the recipient of discrimination. How would that brothel (and not the individual woman, like you state) not be in violation of the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment? Is there a special carve out for sex work?  
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Thank you EC. Much appreciated.

In that scenario, the establishment wouldn't be the one turning the gent away - though a business has the right to refuse service to anyone and good luck proving it was on the basis of a protected status.  The 14th Amendment, federal and state anti-discrimination statutes apply to employer entities (in my understanding), not  independent contractors, either in the awarding of hire or in the performance of their work so I don't think there's a need for a sex-work carve out.
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And just to clarify, I didn't get the impression from YOU that these interactions should be treated callously and with the whole "equal service for everyone as a *right*" kind of thing. There've been a few posts on this thread that lean too dangerously in that direction for my taste, tho...

Two things can be true at the same time, but people often treat them as mutually exclusive:

I've never been to a brothel.  Is it possible that when an person enters, then the girls not interested in him can just excuse themselves to the restroom until that gentleman chooses a girl?  This is assuming the girls are waiting around the room to be selected... No idea if that's how it works.

I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that an independent contractor is excluded from the state's laws on anti-discrimination. A doctor or lawyer who refuses patients or clients based on race or ethnicity might find herself crosswise with laws and regulations beyond the 14th Amendment.  

The provider in question just hates blacks, Mexicans, redheads from Croatia and polyglots from China. What's the remedy? Sorry lady--you've gotta fuck anyone who comes in the door with cash.  

If she is it comfortable for any reason when you walk in the door the session will not be what it would have .

So I take your point that some of the posters talking about bigotry may not be implying that a lady doesn't have a right to implement her bigotry.  

So a guy can ask for a lineup or a mingle. If it's a line up, the shift manager rings a certain bell and all the ladies available will stand in front of him for him to select. Once he does, they go chat in her room to negotiate acts/time/money - this is where a lady would just quote a crazy high price if she wanted to get out of the 'party', or simply say "sorry, I don't do X activity or see Y type of people".  
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Negotiations are intended to take less than 10min during which time the remaining ladies wait in the parlor/bar (or excuse themselves if they don't want a shot at booking him if the first lady fails).  If an agreement is not struck, he is informed that everyone's rates/activities/time frames are different and is invited to return to the parlor to choose another lady and repeat the process. It's considered good luck if the ladies can help find him someone to service him (both a superstition thing as well as practical, it's teamwork and the house buys the food after all).  And yes, some ladies don't see couples or certain minorities, so they leave the parlor during that initial 10 min negotiation time, though I've never seen it be for an AA gent. If the guy goes to chat with another lady, the first lady will let any remaining ladies know what his budget is and what he's looking for... sometimes the ladies decide they still want a shot at him if the second lady fails to book, and sometimes they don't want to bother and leave the parlor.
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If the guy wants a mingle, a different signal is given and then depending on the house guidelines, either the available/interested girls will sit in the parlor/bar area and try to strike up a convo with him (innocent topics) or they'll wait in the staging area and take turns chatting him up one on one. Depending on how the house handles it, a mingle can be a lively "normal bar" kind of energy or the guy can feel like a guppy in a pool of piranha. And if a lady has a DNS issue then she can peek in the bar, see that it's a couple or some other DQ and go back to her room.

Single shingle professionals will be, at the very least, structured as single member/manager LLCs. They are not legally viewed as ICs even if they operate within referral networks. Also, the professions in your example are licensed in a significantly different fashion than a legal courtesan working in a brothel (still needs a SoS business license, FBI background clearance, registered with county sheriff) and differ even more significantly from other forms of legal sex work, let alone illegal sex work.  

Personally, beauty comes in many forms. I have been with most races, countless ethnicities, older and younger, and likely many other check boxes. This doesn’t mean I find everyone attractive. But what I look for is body shape, skin softness, eyes, lips, tits, asses, and so on.

I don't think he is stating (or implying) that any SW must have sex with anyone at all. He can correct me but what he is saying is much simpler and less controversial. My reading of his point is that while the woman in question certainly has the choice to turn away anyone she wishes, for whatever reason she wants (that is my view, btw) others can view that choice as bigoted, if her decision is solely based on race.  The two are not mutually exclusive.

I think we’re closer in agreement than it might sound. I’m not arguing that clients should spend their booking conversations asking providers to unpack their preferences, or that anyone owes anyone introspection in the middle of setting up a date. I wouldn’t expect that of you, and I don’t do that to clients either. If someone isn’t interested, the practical reality is exactly what you described: you move on.  

In my experience booking providers, I've noticed many do not see women (at least not outside of a couples session). I could not care less beyond how forthcoming they are about it. Besides, I have my own preferences and restrictions on which escorts I would see, so why shouldn't they have theirs?

Patterns of exclusionary behavior exist in P4P, I think there is no dispute.  It has been identified on this board many times over the years. Note for instance that some current ads (including quite a few K-girls) explicitly say "No blacks/AA". It's a reality. Maybe it's less today than yesterday, or maybe not. Hard to say.

I usually start out my email or text messages to providers including the following: I am blind and have a guide dog, let me know if that’s cool. I have generally found that less than half the providers I contact respond. I’m curious if other hobbiests with disabilities have had the same results. Of course, I can never suss out whether it’s discomfort with a disability or a dog or both.

Sorry--should have said 200.

Metaphorical hat off to you brother!

It is true that a provider can refuse service for any reason. It’s also true that if the reason is race, than in all likelihood it’s a preference rooted in bigotry.

I'd absolutely accept a date like this! A kind, cool dude.... a very unique style of interaction... and...  a doggie!🤩 My next  thought was that I'd be intrigued to go through the majority of the session blindfolded myself (obviously, able to take it off/on as needed) because yes, there's a significant shift in perception when one of our senses is limited. That would be fascinating to experience. And serious props to you for getting the human touch/interaction we all need, regardless of our "able-ness"🙏🏼

can heighten the senses. I've done it a few times and always carry one with me to the incalls.
Knowing the routine, but not the location or the girl made for a great time!

I’m not a fan of the oppression Olympics. This is a person’s body we’re talking about here. If a lady doesn’t want to see you, that’s her choice. Move on to someone who will.

Seeing a provider you wanted to see, then the line, "no Asians." Why they say fuck me for?

I actually have a massage session that I offer [Sensory Massage] where it focuses on just that. I blindfold you, have you wear your own set of earbuds and listen to whatever music you like while I massage you with different things.. ie; feathers, ice, candle wax, toys, whip, etc while doing long strokes and its been one of my favorite add-ons to my GFE. I love adding massages to my time with my friends because it just adds something even more enticing and exciting to our time together.

i only want to see providers who were at least raised in the usa and are fluent in english…i don’t care about race creed or color…some reviews make it clear comminication is tough with some providers

Really, have to be raised in the US? I have never had an issue having a conversation with women from other countries who are fluent in English. This can be hard to know if they are from non English countries. But if they are from an English speaking country - like England - there are no issues. Now, I'm not taking them out and having overnights where hours of conversation is needed. But I have brief conversations with them before, during, and after sex. Not one issue.

I have been discriminated against many times due to the lack of size......... Of my wallet.  

No, its a choice rooted in personal preference.  

i am not really attracted to british women…maybe a red-haired lass from ireland…

The only thing worse is a German accent. Makes her sound like Colonel Klink. Or Goebbels.

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It's always an interesting philosophical question.

If a gal doesnt want to fuck asian guys that work on Wednesdays, more power to em. Dont care. Neither should you.