"American whores are ungrateful bitches"

That's a statement that I saw on a board that was dedicated to men who traveled overseas to see girls in countries like Cuba, Thailand, the Phillipines and Eastern Europe.  They claimed that American escorts are ungrateful, demanding, and not as nice or accomodating as women in Third World nations. I don't know what to think but I do know this: I certainly am grateful for all the business that comes my way.


Do you guys ( and ladies) feel that there's any truth to this? The post then became a rant about how the women's movement here in America spoiled women too much and therefore made them competitive and demanding, and that it also encroached over into the world of hobbying, making 'American whores ungrateful' as the statement above says.


Do you feel that there's any truth in that statement? Why or why not?

you can't compare the ladies in the US, to the ladies in SE Asia, it's not a fair comparision.
I spent 2 yrs in SE ASIA and i would take a lady home, spend the nite, fuck her and the give her a few pesos in the morning. ( 8 pesos = a dollar )
She would then, go to the market and buy her and her son's daily supply of rice and dried fish.
HELL yes she's gonna be more grateful, than an American women. The ladies here, could quit the biz and not worry about starving!!

Over there....it's called, SURVIVAL, not ESCORTING!!

i have to agree. bitch decsbibes the american woman as well as anything. and we all know americans in general are ungrateful. so....it kinda fits

I don't agree with the statement as presented. I also have not sampled the services of ladies in any of the countries listed. I have known gentlemen who have sampled the services of ladies in Thailand and the Philippines. Both countries have a lower standard of living than the US, especially for women, and both men report that their money went a long, long way when it came to sex services in those countries... and that their ladies were very, very grateful.

In fact, my friend who went to Thailand said he got an overnight with a Thai provider simply by allowing her to watch a movie on television in his room. He didn't have to compensate her in any way, her family was simply so poor that they didn't have their own television to watch and to her it was a huge treat.

So is it LIKELY that there may be more providers in the US who would be more demanding and not as completely accommodating as providers in countries with lower standards of living? I believe the answer would be YES. But it is an unfair comparison. Providers in other countries may be MORE grateful than SOME providers in the US, but that doesn't mean ALL providers in the US are ungrateful.

The statement is probably true in some percentage of US providers when compared with providers in poorer countries, but I believe the statement is painting with too broad a brush.

As I've stated before, I have a special place in my heart for our All-American providers. They offer a special service that often impacts lives far beyond simply being a sexual outlet.

It's comments like that that make me really happy that I am independent in the US, that I am able to pick and choose who I want to see, and that men with that attitude will most likely not be contacting me (or, at most, will send an obnoxious email to tell me that I'm spoiled).

It also makes me really sad that women in developing parts of the world who don't have many alternatives and, by desperation, coercion or force, get thrown into that world and have to deal with scumbags with attitudes like that about women.

There's my thoughts on that quote.

I have no basis of comparison with overseas providers.  I can only relate my own experience and my interpretation of these comments.   I wouldn't put any stock into comments such as these which appear fueled by anger more than anything rational.   Certainly it doesn't mirror my experience.   In general, the ladies I have seen been a pure delight to spend time with.

I have seen escorts in Mexico, and they were very nice and made my evening very special in terms of making me feel very appreciated.

The escorts I have seen in the US have been very nice and made my evening special.  But I have had experiences where no gratitude was expressed (as well as experiences where gratitude was definitely expressed).  I have also been treated very poorly and dis-respected.  

To put this in context, I have seen 4 escorts in Mexico, and 6 in the US.  So the treatment experience is unbalanced in favor of Mexico in this regard.   Maybe it represents a general truth, but my experience base has to be treated as unscientific.

I don't expect to be fawned over, but I always treat the women well, respect them and their wishes/boundaries, behave as a gentleman, and pay them more than they ask for.

So I appreciate it when a simple gesture of acknowledgement and gratitude is shown.  The Mexican providers have always done this, the US ones have not, although a majority have.

You have seen hookers in Mexico and escorts in the US!
American escorts are overpriced hookers,  ( like everything made and paid in America.)

We are good at only 2 things: packaging and marketing, the rest sucks...

Then it's easy to balk at the prices here.  But that's crazy, because those guys can just go live over there, then.  

I was just having this PM with another guy who was looking for FS with multiple pops for 250 max, and I told him to stick to Asian massage parlors.  He came back with how much cheaper it is in other countries, to which I said...well, we are talking NYC, here.

american women have personalities and are never afraid to speak their mind..that is more than i can say for the foreign ladies..

Ava,

These men who travel to those 3rd World countries are going to places where the sex slave is thriving. Those girls are FORCED to be grateful or act like they are grateful. The power of one have over a wide eyed, terrified girl is intoxitating to the point where those sex masters don't care about the girl's mental and physical well-being.

This is almost a repeat of the post you had put in a few weeks ago.

Serpius

American ________ are ungrateful ___________.

The words 'whore' and 'bitches' are superfluous.  Notwithstanding our Holiday in late November, most Americans are discontent and ungrateful.  We have been blessed beyond measure, especially compared to 90% of the world's population, yet we still all manage to bitch an complain about the most mundane things.

MT

I've hobbied in Europe and Thailand and I'd say that most of the European women were the same. Thai people are very nice and friendly and I think that the women are more subservient than women here. The economic situation is also very different and they are more outwardly greatful than providers in the US.

I think that statement is giving US providers a bad rap though. I had a couple great sessions overseas but I've had great sessions here where the ladies have been very accomidating. There is something to be said too about being able to connect with someone speaking the same language and having a similar environment.

I see a lot of the real issues in more of the lower end BP ladies. I do think that a few providers here in the US and on this site get caught up in trivial matters too much (like scores and cancellation fines) that are petty. But that is the minority.

It's all just relative to your situation. So remember; ladies play nice and be greatful, and guys be kind and thankful.

Women in third world countries are appreciative up to a certain point.

Men who can get more for less are too.

But women who are from poorer countries can change without any American influence.

If they work in Spain or other areas where countries have wealth they soon adapt to that society.

People become a product of their own enviroment and the man who commented that about

women probably has an abusive personality needing treatment in more areas than play 4 pay.


Angela  

I have long had a preference for women who either immigrated to this country or are the first generation offspring of mothers who immigrated here.  Their approach to men is different than that of women who have spent the last several generations absorbing western culture.  Make of that statement what you will.  I'm not saying one is better or worse than the other I am just saying that there is a cultural difference.  Anyone who doesn't see that is in denial of reality. There is a difference and I have my preferences.

That being said...

I would be hesitant to jump on the bandwagon that sex workers from "third world nations" are somehow more grateful than sex workers from anywhere else. That is an huge generalization and anyone who lives their life based on generalization will be in for a lot of disappointment...

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I'm not familiar w/ too many foreign providers, and I'm not familiar w/ any foreign clients....But my personal perspectives find this rant totally BS.  American providers are strongly Independent relative to what i perceive from foreign providers.  There have been times I have felt "another presence" In the background meeting w/ a foreign provider here, stateside.  It was gut feeling that the Lady was controlled too much and was being observed.  the encounter was very , mechanical, and punctual.  while I got off...I like to know I please my partner.  If I don't sense that has happened,  the encounter was a bust for me.  
American providers , being independent, demand respect, and are more passionate, than pimped providers. respect is a two way street  
Respect should not be demanded, but it should be a given.  You only get out of an encounter what you put in it.
It sounds like the author of that statement was a "Chauvinistic DICK" I can only Apologize for "Its" behavior and condemn it.  I know too many friends who are that way, and all I can do is shake my head....and they wonder why they are treated the way they are?  
I am reminded of the "Peter Pan Principle", where males refuse to grow up into Men...they continue in their Juvenile Behavior.
While I cannot claim to be a world traveler, I do know many affluent gents, and found they can be as chauvinistic as they come.  Many Women, outside of the States, do not have anywhere near the respect, freedom, and independence woman enjoy Stateside.  The posted rant provides it needs improvement here as well.
Another thought to wrap our minds around...are some of these foreign girls looking to be an American Bride?  That might be what is driving their ......
Liam

women who are easily manipulated. I think it is a shame that your friend could not see a cry for help and fked this girl without anything but to let her watch a movie...what a guy!


Women in other countries are easily taken advantage of BECAUSE they are not in a position to stand on their own...easy for cheap ass fkwads to take advantage of them. Try that shit in the U.S. with a woman who is not on drugs or addicted to approval, and see where it gets ya lol.

I think it's rather pathetic that some men prey on women like that. So no, we are not ungrateful but we are also not stupid.

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Most American providers are smart and sexy ladies that are confident and more secure in their life.

Still, look at how many american women have to fend for themselves after a marriage goes bad. We are raised to be independent because quite frankly, look what happens when you have to depend on anyone. We teach our daughters to be the same way, minus the hooker part lol.

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When most Americans take a look back and see the big picture they are greatful of all we have here. People no matter where they live complain about something though. It's like that all over the world. I think tough that as you get richer and have more stuff you take the basic things for granted.

As much as we hear crap about the US from people abroad, there are a thousand times the number of people that love us and would do anything to move here. I spoke with an number of people in Thailand and Laos that said they wished they could visit America or move here.

Just be thankful and greatful for all that we have.

Damn those ungrateful American women who have single-handedly increased the divorce rate. While we're at it let's blame them for the drop on the dow , global warming, and the state of the Middle East.

Seriously though, it gets really old when women are blamed for shit that takes two. ...

is it really any different than picking up a girl at a bar, which despite what any man says, we KNOW is drunk beyond the ability to make a good choice, and fking her a couple times without so much as leaving her cab fare in the AM? i mean, she made the choice, asuming she was not heavily drugged or intoxicated, to let him in her pants for the free tv.

I agree with London's entire post. Your friend is King Jerk. He ignored the fact that this woman was destitute and offered her no money that I am sure would have helped her and her family out in a major way. Just come spend the night, watch tv with me then roll over and suck my balls. What a gent! (rolling my eyes). We have more advantages than many other women in other countries. I am very grateful for the men that visit me and choose to spend time with me. I appreciate every one of them. It sounds as if the person who said that quote had a bad experience with a provider who was probably ungrateful and unappreciative but she does not represent all of us and a man with a functioning brain knows this.

Very different if me and my family's survival depended on it. And the men who see that and exploit it are another breed altogether. In those cultures the women are treated more like slaves than an individual with equal rights. American women are not too keen on being anyones slave.

My advice to those men who are bitching and complaining about American women...emigrate to the country of your choice, problem solved.

That such statements reveal a lot more about the people saying them than anything else. People who say that are scared and angry at best, misogynistic and dangerous at worst. Even if the person saying it is not misogynistic, her is encouraging the misogynists, isn't he? To conclude that it means anything more than that is to give the person way more credit than he deserves.

It is a lot like trying to have a serious discussion about why a reasonable person might conclude that the earth is flat after someone seriously says to you that they know it is flat. The person is either deluded, or really stupid, no more than that.

I hope there are more providers in the US than elsewhere who demand to be treated with respect and consideration, and do not feel they need to be grateful to every guy they see for paying them in return for receiving the promised good time. Both sides should be appreciative, of course. I also hope it is harder to find oppressed and exploited providers who will do what they are told and express slavish gratitude. I am not sure that is the case, have seen no objective data that would tell me it is or is not the case. I care about that.

I do not care about the statements of assholes, beyond hoping the only person they hurt are themselves.

zig

If you pick up drunk girls knowing they are not in a position to make a choice, that says a lot about the kind of person you are. Just because a woman is here...does not mean we are all here for the same reasons, and you are naive to assume it's always a choice. But hey, who cares as long as you get your nut for your box of tacos you fed her for dinner.

Money, sex, and raising kids...3 main reasons for divorce.

We could go on and on belittling the opposite sex till the world explodes. I agree there are bitches and piggish assholes out there, but to agree that American women in general are bitches tells me more about you than anything. It tells me that feel you are entitled to a certain level of treatment, and when you don't get it, you're disappointed and offended.

If you find us that objectionable, why are you here? Why not move to a country where you feel you get the sort of treatment you feel you're entitled too?

more to do with being brainwashed and raised to be that way. It reminds me of that Eddie Murphy skit, when he made fun of African women having a bone in their mouth and being submissive until he let his girl mix with us American women lol. "Half Eddie...I want half!"

But according to the OP about this very matter of high divorce rates, he is singlehandedly blaming US women.

"It's my wife's fault I cheat. It's the wife's fault I gained 50 lbs. and stopping shaving my ass...and wonders why he is not getting sex from her. It's that damn hookers fault I got HPV, because she made me pay her, kiss her, and eat her pu**y" lol. This shit is funny!

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If the roles were reversed little man, I hardly feel you'd be happy about it. And yet here you are whining about American women. And you are as much as a foreigner as anyone...this country was built on "foreigners".

You think that equal rights is BS? Trade places with a woman in the Middle East and then tell me how you feel? We have equal right s here and I am thankful that I can drive a car, get an education and don't need a man's permission to take a shit.

I have to honestly say from my point of view I am very grateful and very accommodating to my clients and appreciate the repeats that I can see regularly and those that understand my personal family situation and still see me regardless. On the one hand, I am not spoiled and this statement is offensive to me because I know how I treat my clients. NOW on the other hand I have run into those ungrateful prissy rightfully named bitches that think they are the shit but offer half the services I am willing to provide and then have the nerve to look down on me for doing too much, but they don't have as many repeats as I do.

Those girls in foreign countries are under appreciated by american men because I know that American men go to foreign countries simply because they know they can find a girl like me offering their services for half the price. But those girls can afford to do that because they work all day long I only work 6 hours a day. Albeit I have fun in this hobby it boils down to economics and I work accordingly, I am not working for  $20 but I am grateful to be seen for 250+

I am not blaming men, the very thread here is about men shitting (yes I said the "s" word) on US women and doing the whining and complaining. Listen don't sweat it, you can pay to see whomever you want and I hope she gives you good value for your money.

If you can't find an escort to act the way you feel women should act here in the good ole US of A then I have run out of alternatives since you feel moving countries is out of the question.

I concur, I'm not from here so I can compare...American males are real pigs and treat their females like shit, they are so insecure that they "compete" with females...in return they got those  American "bitches " they actually created...

Yeah yeah I know I'm a european pussy...and you are "real" Men...don't you have a war to start or finish somewhere? Go play Rambo and let me take care of your girls! Ha!

Please don't get me wrong, it wasn't his choice. He brought her to his room for an overnight, they stayed up late, he wanted to sleep but all she wanted to do was watch the TV because she didn't have one. When he woke up later she was gone, and she took nothing from the room, all of his money was in his wallet.

He's not the greatest guy in the world, but I never said he sought to get an overnight just for watching TV. That's how it turned out.

Still, that's him and not me, I've never been to Thailand but I've heard the stories!

I'm not a woman and take offense to that broad generalization.

1st off, everything you do in life is a choice. i go to work because i choose to be able to take care of my child. i play sports because i choose. why are you a hooker? because you CHOOSE to be one. dont give me that product of an evironment crap, or the "i was scared" or anything else.  if a person doesnt want to do something, they wont do it. period.

now since you wanna make a personal thing here....i do not drink, smoke, do any drugs...i do not go to bars, therefore i am not running into drunk women all the time. has it happened when i was younger at a high school party? sure. but do i now? no. but, i wouldnt think someone on a hooker message board would be talking ethics and morals.

Stopped shaving my ass..omg, she's on a roll tonite....funny shit, for real!!!!

Box of Tacos..thought i was gonna puke i laughed so hard.

I definitely think the guy who said it probably had his share of disappointments in BOTH relationships as well as providers in America because he came back with a mail order bride, basically. I didn't put much stock into what he said, but wanted to know if there were many other American guys who felt this way, the way he did about how American women in general ( not just providers) became overbearing and too dominant because of the women's movement.

....but then think about it. Forty dollars for a lay in a Third World country is an entire month's pay or wages for those women.  I think it's more or less that men who frequent these countries because they really think the women 'are more grateful' are also thinking " They're a lot cheaper" that's excluding the airfare and hotel and buses that take them to the Red Light areas of these countries and cities in places like Thailand and Cuba or the Phillipines.

To me it really sounded as if he gave up on American women for whatever reason, not just given up on American escorts and their 'ungratefulness' or high prices.

...so he got what he wanted. But what he doesn't realize is once she gets 'Americanized' it's doubtful she's going to wash his feet everyday or do his laundry. And she'll begin by bringing all her family members over to America to live with him...and her...one by one.

You're justifying, and that's ok. It's what you do. You contradicted yourself in your own damn post, by saying everything is a choice...yes, it is. If you have the ability and the emotional and mental maturity to make that choice. You're a fool to think that your environment has nothing to do with the way you react to things, especially if you have been manipulated all of your life. Not all women are here by choice, and that was my point. Just because you need to lie to yourself does not make it true lol.

I love it when you boys always throw that "all for one and anything goes" crap everytime someone does not agree with something that's fked up. What does your not drinking, smoking or doing drugs have to do with your level of compassion and your mental state? Not a fkin thing lol! Sounds like you're Catholic to me. All the outward things one must not do, but we can fk little boys lol.

Here's a clue. I am a hooker who has never cheated on a BF or husband in MY LIFE! I am a hooker who does not curse or dress like a slut in front of my parents and child. I am a hooker who does not think it's cool to fk your sister or brother just because it's the hobby lol. I am a hooker who has never stolen from her employer and got to work on time.  I am a hooker who would never want my daughter to do this shit, so what's your point?

Maybe you assume that because one part of your life is not moral that you have to toss the rest to hell and engage in every immoral or unethical thing that comes along, but I don't. Now, back to those drunk girls you knew were too drunk to say no lol. I believe that's called rape in some areas! I am not saying "you" have done this, and we have joked about picking up sluts at the bar, but any sane guy who is married would not take advantage of someone who has obvious issues of making an adult decision.

Just because your age makes you legal does not mean your mind is ready to make certain choices as you say...as I said, keep living in denial.



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Tell him to go find his mommy or a shrink and leave the fking to men who can actually handle it for what it is...fking!!

He might actually like getting beaten!! In time, his new mail order bride will do just that.

i have never assumed that you or any other hooker is a "bad" person. you dont steal, cheat, etc....thats great. no sarcasm, it really is a good thing. but that wasnt the point. you are doing this because you choose to. even women who are used and abused choose to allow it to happen. sure, the alternative may be a murder trial, but every day many women get tired of being used/abused or whatever the situation may be and they choose to put a stop to it. no matter what you did today, you chose to do it. everyone has free will and freedom to choose. some may have terrible consequences if they make the "wrong" choice, but they can still choose.