200 incall and i gave half back
the guys say fs on the phone and i know im on vacation and cant provide it .. he's a new client so being overly confident of my excellent french skills i think i can get away with it.
a frustrating hour and a half later i admitted it, he was angry, and he deserved to be.
oddly enough i was glad he wasnt happy because he was 6'4" and wearing my corset but shouldve known better than to try wearing my stockings cuz he ripped them all up.
i hate horrible sessions like that
now i always admit when im on vacation and advise service will be limited.
and if they ask me if i have stockings i tell them no, bring your own damn stockings.
Wow you were game seeing a guy who mentioned full service over the phone and a first time client at that. I guess whereever you are the heat is not nearly so hot as most places.
its hot.
it was over 3 years ago and the client wasnt calling from a public ad. i belong to several private hobbyist groups and only recently started advertising publicly.
you must be new to the business. full service is still a term that can be interpreted several ways. its not like you're agreeing to ride a sybian.
lol
It's only happened to us once. (For those who don't know my partner Jessica and I are TS's and usually date together.)
Maybe 18 months ago this young guy maybe 24 yrs, old called us up just as we were getting ready to go down to our pool and jacuzzi. So I told him to bring his bathing suit and come on over. We don't usually date younger guys but he seemed nice.
So he comes over, pays whatever it was, we take some beers down to the jacuzzi and hang out for awhile with a couple of neighbors who were there. You know, like a group of normal friends having a evening pool party. We introduced him to our friends as we occasionally do with guys we like.
Then we go back to the house, and while I was changing, and getting the bedroom staged, he and Jessica started playing a video game on the computer.
The next thing I know the guy comes into the bedroom and says, "I can't do this." "I'm in love with Jessica." "I want my money back."
WTF? Of course he's in love with Jessica - EVERYBODY is in love with Jessica! Sheesh.
So I tried to explain that we were paid for our time and he'd been there an hour drinking our beer, and we could go flop on the bed with our legs spread open if that was all he wanted.
Then he was like Dr Jeykle and Mr Hyde - totally turned into a different person and threated to call the PD, started to get violent, etc. So I gave him his money back. He didn't even have the courtesy to pay for the beers.
Meanwhile poor little Jessica is sitting there in shock wondering what she did wrong. It's kind of hard to discover you are "too nice." She was really devestated.
And that's why we never date men under 35 or 40 at home (we will occasionally on tour) and why we very rarely take short notice dates.
PS: If you are over 40 and a nice, open minded guy, and visit San Diego, and want to date two really fun TS girls we'd love to have a pool party with you and desert at our place.
Giggle,
TS Jamie 
You're right. We all want to have a good experience but with men like that... we are better off returning their money and never seeing them again.
Based on this post and after perusing your website, we have the following advise: STFU. We don't mean this in an unkind way. It's just that with one review (from a guy with only one review) plus the too-chatty tone of your blogs, you're giving the impression of being way too high maintenance. We go to providers for some nice, uncomplicated sex. If we want drama, we'll stay home with our wives.
None of us wants drama. But right now YOU are the one causing it. TER doesn't exist solely for you or me. It exists for anyone and everyone involved in the hobby and it exists for reasons other than posting bad jokes, links to stupid u-tube videos and guys asking if it's possible for a provider to fall in love with them.
Jade is here asking for feedback on an issue that is no less appropriate than most of the topics that appear here on the TER National Discussion Board. What exactly is the point of your totally rude response, using an alias of course? If you don't like her approach that's your choice, don't book an appointment with her.
You certainly are not "every one of us". You are simply a jerk. The lady had a question, and it is every bit as valid as some of the brainless and vapid questions posted here. And it beats the heck out of reading the exact same question for the 1,000th time as well. (think, "where can I get online Viagra?")
I for one am interested in the answers.
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i didnt check out her site when she first posted but since i read your jackass comment i figured i'd go check out some escort drama and instead i found an intelligent, engaging, multi-faceted collection of thoughts from a girl who is honest and humble enough to admit that clients have asked for their money back.
rarely will an escort share anything that might reflect negatively upon herself. obviously this one has a product so good she doesnt need to worry about the market value of every post.
you are lucky she was brave enough to post her question.
but i can see why you'd be afraid to let an honest woman speak.
This is all so new to me and I am a bit surprised by how people automatically think the worst of somebody they haven't met. If anything, their behavior sounds volumes of who they are.
Every One of Us, I wish to highlight one thing which all of you in USA might have taken for granted. I am operating from Singapore (a small island in Asia - where the practise of having a review written for an escort much less post it for other men to read is unheard of). I had asked my best client to write the TER review for me and it took him considerable trouble to establish his profile (since he initially didn’t get his ID and password), write the review, post it and then make sure it was approved. I am not sure anybody but him would have been willing to do it.
In fact another regular I asked found it the process of registration too intimidating and ended up not following through. Afterall the reviews would benefit only me - both gentlemen neither had any intention of participating in the forum discussions nor seeking out escorts based in Singapore. Coincidentally no one escort in Singapore has had more than one review written for her and none were independents? There is no system of client verification in Singapore. My efforts to establish a web presence, get listed on TER and other escort directories were all based on my desire to have greater safety and interest quality gentlemen – not just men who can pay, but who will respect me as an individual.
Today I was rejected by Preferred411 because my reviewer has to be an 'established' one but how do I meet an established one when I am in the other half of the world altogether and NONE of my clients knew what Preferred411/ TER was or play around enough? I am planning a first tip to Boston (second trip to USA in 10 years)and hopeful for some positive reviews.
Like many providers out there, I am trying to learn what is the most appropriate balance of blogging – keep it light or really unleash the mighty pen and write what I meant to write. However it is comforting that for now, I am getting way more positive than negative comments.
I have turned pro for less than two months and my website has been live for less than a month. If I had not escorted part-time whilst studying, I would not have been able to pay off my masters loan, photographer, web designer, rental and furnishings. You accused me of being high maintenance? You haven’t met me much less claim you know me just from a few blog entries! You have no idea how hard and expensive it has been for me to get to where I am now - even if I may be just a provider one might go to for "nice, uncomplicated sex".
I like to suggest you stay home with your wife. She may well be the only one who actually wants to keep seeing you.
Yes, I have given the donation back on several ocassions actually. Twice I've given back part of the donation on a multi-hour booking when our time had to be cut short - once was my fault, the other time he had an emergency.
There have been a few other times as well, but those stories are (long horrible stories) too LOL that don't need to be gone into. Some will say that once the donation is given, there should be no refunds because it is your time that you are being compensated for, and you can't make up a lost session. That is certainly true, but for my part, I preferred to give the donation back really as a matter of pride more than anything else.
All that being said, I am reminded of a gentleman who once told me, being completely serious, that he should only have to give half the donation because he had only been able to set off one round of fireworks - despite my best efforts. In his case, I was not rude, and I did not laugh - but I did not return a nickel of the donation either.
I had 1 experience which led me to my "DON'T RUSH ME" Policy... I felt as though I was in a race against time, and if not finished quickly enough, we would get caught. Suffice it to say, he did not touch me, wanted to watch me, and play with my toes. In and out in 15 minutes (which I never do below 1 hour now) I gave him his donation back telling him it was my gift. I never saw him again, by MY choice. It really wasn't worth my time, it was NOT fun, I felt litterally violated. I just wanted to be gone...and believe me...he coulda used the donation more than I needed it.
For standing up for me.
Yeah I won't give a refund to the client who ask for it 'cos he came once either. And because such a thought could even cross his mind, I won't see him again.
Would you give a refund if you have a two-hour appointment and the client is willing to pay you in full for say 15 or 30 mins?
I have only had gentlemen who ask for a donation back if they have not gotten to all they asked for. Sometimes in the thick of things, even though they want it they may not have the desire just then or be able to go for the 2nd cup. (I charge more for one certain greek activity)In that case I have never refused to refund any of the $. If a client leaves early, then hey, that's his deal and I don't offer refunds.
For certain people I have offered them partial refunds if they booked for a while and it just naturally ended early. No reason to stay if you're really done and need to get going right, but those gents are regulars. If I ever have to end an appointment I would give the unused time/donation back.
All in all I don't think that if you are on a date and you are there the requested time you should give anything back. They are paying for your time only. You sound like you are a very level headed woman and I congratulate you for making the gains you have in the land u live in.
Alyssa
For your advice.
I feel bad when the client wants to leave early but like you said, a deal is a deal.
I had a guy who booked 90mins..and he wass done in 40mins? or close to an hour? He said he wa sjust going to stay an hour..and was trying to pay me fo ran hour, meaning he ws going to take some of the money back..I put a stop to that right away.
Why? Becuase its not fair, its not right..HE booked for 90mins, HE decided to leave early, I was NOT telling him to go...and I planned my day..I could of booked someone else fo rthe time he booked..so it snot fair..it just isnt..and it certainly isnt respectful to ask fo rsome of the money back just becuase the guy "finished" sooner then he expected.
I was nice and explained this to the gent..and he said ok..
Kisses, Sidney Starr
Maybe this question should have been posted on the providers only board? When I read this post I wonder WHY your clients would want their donation back? I would not have posted since you asked for provider's opinions, but a valid, if not well-worded, piece of advice was submitted by another client that offended you. All too often, posts that are not meant for THIS board, are posted on THIS board. I thought your question was interesting as well, but the information you provided to ALL of us was far from complete. If you only want providers to respond, then do not post on the public board, as you are almost certain to get clients chiming in as well. Many clients have "long horrible stories" about sessions as well, with providers who did less than act professional. The vast majority of clients in this category do not post about their experiences on a public board or demand their money back. Why you ask? Because then they could be viewed in a bad light by some providers they have never met, just as you are now viewed in a bad light by some clients that you have never met. This is exactly the type of subject that brings drama on public boards, and you needed to be told this because you are a self-admitted newbie to this community. Better luck to you in the future.
Don't worry. I will post there in future so as to avoid insults and being told off.
First off, she can't ask her question on the Provider's board, because she isn't able to access that board yet. TER requires that a lady have 3 reviews before granting access to the Provider's board, and Jade has only one to date.
Second, why the hell SHOULDN'T this question be asked here? Lets go with your logic for a moment. If questions specific to providers should be restricted to the Provider's only board, doesn't that mean that questions specific to reviewers should be restrcited to the Reviewer's only board? Shouldn't questions about "guys, what do you do when the girl doesn't match the pics"? questions be relegated to the boys only board? Shouldn't the poor guys who have the audacity to ask such a question also be insulted and told to STFU as this lady was?
So she is specifically looking for insight on how others handle this situation. Big deal. Its not at all uncommon for a member to post a question specifically to providers or to reveiwers.
One of the things I like best about TER is the fact that discussion is encouraged from men and women both on this site. It appears to me that you and "every one of us" would do better on a different site that shall go unnamed, where it is made VERY clear that women are to be seen and reviewed, but comments or discussion from them are NOT welcome. For myself, I'll stick with this site, where the intelligence and contribution that ladies have to offer is generally welcomed and encouraged. Generally.
I like to keep financial discussion to an absolute minimum, for obvious reasons. I post my rates on my site, so for the most part it's unnecessary unless a man with a vulgar attitude wants to haggle.
That being said, I've walked away from a couple of encounters (during the conversational stage, of course) without taking anything. I do this because I want to, and I *don't* want to have to put up with rude or insulting men!
The reasons for me walking out the last two dates I refused? One man, aside from being just generally repulsive (picking your nose is gross. It's even grosser if you insist on doing it during dinner. Is it so much to ask for you to excuse yourself first?), seemingly could not get over the arrangement we had negotiated and kept on pointing out how I was so much "different than other whores" - in public no less! The second repeatedly made horrendously ignorant racist remarks (I'm totally not talking about jokes here), the kind that would make *anyone* pale, even a black girl like me. Funny thing is, he was a Jew, lol.
Both times I excused myself from the table, and told the loosely-defined gent that he was on his own for the evening. I don't need the money *that* bad!
Maxine
If there is something I had to learn very fast, it would be to stand up for myself and knowing when enough is enough. You're doing well.
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