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Aphrodighty 23 Reviews 2077 reads
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1 / 49

I usually followed the TER advise to stay safe, only see well reviewed providers.

I just started a P411 membership. I came across an ad for a lovely looking woman with no reviews. Is P411 strict enough to screen out LE?

DT_lover 188 Reviews 740 reads
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2 / 49

I don't know anything about this girl, but P411 does not allow girls without a personal recommendation from at least one established provider and one established hobbyist.

Low rate may be due to lack of reviews.  You can also chat with "customer service" at P411 as they are very responsive to inquiries.

Good luck.



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earthshined 823 reads
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3 / 49
Dave76015 38 Reviews 710 reads
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4 / 49

Cost of living is less, and wages are different.  There have been providers that roll into the South and West with their East Coast prices and are definitely at a competitive disadvantage.  Check out the Dallas Ad Board for verification.  

Do you research, then make your decisions, but try not to compare apples and oranges.

1192967 45 Reviews 522 reads
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5 / 49

...then look at the rates. Life is good in the south.

inicky46 61 Reviews 588 reads
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6 / 49

And this case is one where following his advice could actually hurt someone.  He needs to stick to the Newbie Board.
As to the girl in question, while it's not likely she's LE, you just can't know enough about her to book based on this listing.  And P411 is not fail-safe.  While I like the site and am a member, there are two instances in the past year or so (one in Denver and one in the South) where P411 has been compromised by LE.  P411 responded appropriately in dealing with both breaches but the cops do share information and may use it again.  Beware.
But not for the lame reason Turdwell suggests.

GaGambler 656 reads
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7 / 49

As for the OP, yes I can see why you would be tempted, and yes P411 is much different than Eros or Backpage as they won't just take "anyone's" money without a bit of vetting. Also the price is certainly not out of line for NOLA, so that wouldn't scare me away either.

There are a couple of things that do make me take pause however, She is email only number one, which gives you one less tool to do your research. She not only has no reviews, but she has no website, and only one, single pic to go by. I "might" take a chance if I were in the mood and no one else struck my fancy, but I really can't say that I would recommend that anyone else without very high risk tolerance do the same. Ask yourself what would happen if she were to be either a ROB or LE, if it would ruin your life, I would say stay away until she gets a  review or two. If getting busted or ripped off would only be a minor inconvenience in your life then I would say the odds really aren't that bad since you found her on P411 and not some other escort mall.

BTW there is one other thing I might recommend, but I can only do it by backchannel as I would hate to break any TER rules, drop me a PM if you are VIP

Dave76015 38 Reviews 663 reads
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8 / 49
Gemma Coreana See my TER Reviews 624 reads
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9 / 49

Check out where else she advertises, her website, maybe she has reviews on other boards, def google image her... See how many "Okays" she's given... There are many tools/ways to check to see if she's legit...   Good luck...

harborview 10 Reviews 809 reads
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10 / 49

I would pass on any gal where there was only a single 'hot' picture.  I really want to see several pictures, from different angles, poses, props.  Why?  Because I have discovered one I was planning to see...  using 2 pictures over & over.  They were 10 years out of date.  So I insist on an assortment of pictures which gives me confidence that they are real & current.  
Lack of a web site or other info, gives me pause as well.  Sure she could be a new gem...   but being so new, there's no cred either.  Lots of new gals give it a whirl but don't want to give the services expected.

angelexotic See my TER Reviews 674 reads
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11 / 49

that worked for a service in New York and she charge 250 an hour.
I couldn't believe it because it's New York and I was under the impression all the girls that have reviews make a lot more than that in our in New York.
I can't remember the name of the service and I know we're not supposed to mention particulars anyhow.
but she got 250 an hour or the service you work for charge 250 an hour she was skinny good looking beautiful long hair Asian.
and this is in New York in and they were getting 250 hour.
the guy that was showing me this on his phone told me that she works a lot and that she is in every morning and every night and she just works constantly.
and then he said that she gets very varied reviews because she works so much.
and she had so many reviews it was ridiculous tons and tons and tons of them
like 5 or 6 reviews or more every single solitary month
and they ranged from 6 to 10 s. it was definitely all different kinds of reviews checkered into her reviews.just because she doesn't want to subject yourself to becoming known and having reviews doesn't mean she might not be an excellent provider and you may not like her. in my opinion I would say go and meet up with her and I would say ask her if she'll meet you in a public place first for coffee.
there is nothing illegal about two consenting adults meeting up as human beings.
if it is a bait-and-switch you're not going to get arrested if you arrive to get a coffee for some lady to say hi to her.
I know for me I haven't done it recently but for the longest time I used to tell the people to meet me over at the beach.  
I guess it was kind of funny because I would have him tell me what kind of car is not go walk over to the car but for me I don't know it just made me feel a lot safer it was reassuring for me
if you want to go see her who cares about her references who cares about her reviews just because people don't do stuff this way doesn't mean you're not going to be fun and a good person and a good client.
I know I can get a good feel for someone within 2 seconds of taking a look at them.
I would say go and meet up with her but ask her just to meet you somewhere.
I mean the idea of walking up knocking on a door when you have no clue was going to answer it no clue what's going to happen but if you got to see the person in person first it's a lot better.
a lot of the times I don't even screen I will just make sure I see the person outside first. just because a guy doesn't have any references from people who are reviewed and just because a woman doesn't get reviewed doesn't mean that they are not valid.
broaden your horizons take a risk and go and see the lady and tell us what happened....after.
I swear to God ask her to meet up with you to Dunkin Donuts for a second if she looks sketchy and she's not like the pictures you're free to take off and you're not stuck in some room with her and whoever she hasn't had his going to rob you or whatever she setting up.
I did massage and escorting for the longest time and I never got any reviews and I like it that way.
I made a lot more money to cause I didn't feel like I had to be nice to everybody else I get a bad review.the reviews are great but the guys take advantage.I recently got a pretty bad review and the guy was here for about 2 hours and I gave him all the energy I had and he wrote a review saying that I didn't do a good job and he also took some of the money back and he didn't write that in the review either.
some ladies just don't want to subject themselves to all that it doesn't mean she's not necessarily going to be a bad provider maybe she just mentally can't handle the stress that goes with getting reviews for better or worse.
and there is nothing saying that because they charge left they're not valid
I have some extremely low rates for massage only sessions and I am definitely a real provider and I definitely prefer to be really busy then too barely have the phone ring and have high rates

inicky46 61 Reviews 655 reads
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12 / 49

And your response is laughable.  I never suggested staying away was wrong, and in fact I agreed with that part, though you seem incapable of understanding my post.
Where I differed with you was that your reason was dead wrong, as others have pointed out.  So, no, I am not "reaching now for anything to bitch about."  I am pointing out that P411 is not perfect and LE has used it in the recent past to snare mongers, something you clearly know nothing about. What is also totally clear is that you are so naive and stupid it is impossible for you to understand simple posts.

Fancy8888 See my TER Reviews 667 reads
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13 / 49

Maybe escort got reviews on other webstes.I'm P411 without review.I'm not cop.

GaGambler 807 reads
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14 / 49

Lets look at how many mistakes you made in just a couple of sentences.

First you claim that $280 is an unrealistic price, That is patently untrue, The "sweet spot" for most providers in most of the south is between $250 and $350 an hour, this woman is right in that sweet spot, so no red flag there.

You go on to say that she has the "body of a model, sounds like a scam" as if no woman with a body like that could possibly be real which again is completely false, P411 is full of well reviewed ladies with bodies "like a model" and many if not most of them are at that price point.

and lastly you claim

"Also no way new Orleans prices are that different from DC"

Again you miss by a mile, as virtually EVERYONE who does have a clue has said, prices in the south are MUCH lower than in places like DC or NYC

You finish by saying that "4-6" which I assume means $400-600 hr, is "increasingly more normal" I will stipulate to that, not being in the DC area myself and not wanting to follow you down the path of pretending to know things that you don't have a clue about.

Do us all a favor Turd boy, hang out on the Newbie board for a year or two, LISTENING to advice before giving out advice that you have simply pulled out of your ass to make yourself feel smart. Some of us actually know what we are talking about and it's a pain in the ass to have to debunk bad advice before being able to give good advice to mongers actually looking for advice that doesn't revolve around how to ask a hooker to do what you have paid her to do.

anonymousfun 6 Reviews 619 reads
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15 / 49

YOU ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT MAN ON TER PRECEDED ONLY BY THE ONE OAND ONLY GaG

Blowing Chunks 804 reads
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16 / 49

I'm on my shitty ass fucking phone and suddenly the piece of shit copy paste isn't working on this shitty ass browser for some god damn MFing reason,  but here's one I found on her in LA,  the page scrolls fast so you fucking fuckers have to dig the fuck around a fucking bit.  

Also found a body rub place using her God damn photos.  Gut feel tells me it's a fucking bait and switch but can dig the fuck around a bit fucking more once I'm in front of my god damn computer later.  

http://losangeles.bposx.com/escorts/page/36

 

Fucking Fucker

inicky46 61 Reviews 563 reads
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17 / 49

But why would anyone expect one of the board's most consistently idiotic posters to get that?  Still, thank you for your support. LMAO!

GaGambler 1071 reads
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18 / 49

Not that there is anything wrong with being a board (or bored) blabbermouth, just look at me Nicky and HTG in that regard, but with Turdy, he just babbles nonsense or vainly tries to defend the nonsense he posts. I think he spends more time attempting to defend the stupid shit he posts than he does posting stupid shit in the first place.

Blowing Chunks 586 reads
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19 / 49

Welcome to the jungle  
We got anonymous fun and games.  

And Trollwell seems like he's the kind of guy who would learn one thing and then make it sound like he knows everything.  Of course he would because he picks things up quickly like how he picks up providers off the floor. lol

 He'd get some answers right but based on mostly flawed reasoning.  
He kinda reminds me of cheating kids back in high school when they'd know the answers to the exam ahead of time but when asked to "show work" they'd turn up a bunch of scribbles with completely flawed logic

Sidney Starr See my TER Reviews 619 reads
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20 / 49

P411 is a great site but dEF not foolproof. Cops have been on there busting providers. So be careful.

AnotherDonJohn 656 reads
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21 / 49

First, pricing in Nawlins is much lower in general than DC's. 250-350/h i would think in NO. HTG was the exception. I lived there for ten years.  
Second, for the market rate on p411, you can get model-type bodies.  

For anyone just tuning in, listening to Turdwell is like listening to a complete newbie, maybe worse. Hard to believe, but he probably would get the color of the sky wrong.

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Cosette 779 reads
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22 / 49
Blowing Chunks 706 reads
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23 / 49
GaGambler 552 reads
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24 / 49

Not just legit, she may just be a new star rising.

Note to anyone seeking advice, Whatever Turdy recommends, do the opposite and you should be fine.

To the OP, if you'd like to drop me a PM I can start you in the right direction to find out a little bit more about this hottie.

We really are a helpful bunch around here for those who ask nicely and really ask for advice, and not just an excuse to argue. I for one would like to extend kudos to you for being able to hobby in the first place which is part of the reason I decided to go an extra mile to find out about her for you.

Peace

Cosette 611 reads
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25 / 49

In terms of referrals, I had nothing when I signed up for P411, I'm trying to think how I got there, what the sign up process was, but I definitely was not recommended by anyone, I knew no one. I was asked if I had a site or some other presence, which I did have a site, but no presence. I don't necessarily think it's rocket science to get on something if you try.

quadseasonal 27 Reviews 710 reads
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26 / 49

There are  millions  of   cases of guys that can't count , or drunk out of their mind ,  hitting a 12 and winning big time  ,  when the dealer  was holding 4, 5, or 6 .  Not a good idea from my perspective ,  but I'm not using your money .  

    There are  cases of four and five star restaurant patrons   finding themselves  with food poisoning   .  
     
   There are cases of new unknown  restaurants that some  would call two stars , with much better food ,
kitchen cleanliness , and service , than some  established , overrated  five star  restaurants .

    There have been cases of TER reviewed providers and seasoned TER hobbyists , finding their own skin  in trouble yesterday ,  cooperating with LE tomorrow  , attempting to save  themselves  .    

   One of my  best experiences by far ,  a provider with no reviews . She was brand new , working for an agency without a majority of excellent TER reviews .  

  One of my few turn around and walk away ,   a highly reviewed independent TER provider , with mostly nine  and tens .  

  One of my best experiences was a provider from a site ,  little big boys would never use .

  The best advice I can give you   , stiffen your back bone , listen to your self ,  use your own mind  .  
     
Posted By: docrolling
I usually followed the TER advise to stay safe, only see well reviewed providers.  
   
 I just started a P411 membership. I came across an ad for a lovely looking woman with no reviews. Is P411 strict enough to screen out LE?
 

 


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traveler_in_LA 786 reads
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27 / 49
traveler_in_LA 750 reads
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28 / 49

I don't think it's possible for hobbyists to see how many "Okays" a provider has given. I sure wish I can see it. It certainly will make me feel safer.

GaGambler 603 reads
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29 / 49

She does appear to be quite legit, but I guess you will never know. Have a nice fucking day.

BTW, TER and P411 are not the only resources out there, they are two of the best, but far from the only way to check out a provider. My offer still stands though, if you want to know more about this lady you can contact me through PM

Gemma Coreana See my TER Reviews 738 reads
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30 / 49

I didn't know that.... From my end I can see the girls a hobbyists have seen & their okays... But other tools of the trade, def inquire via TER especially on the board in which state the girl is in...

Dave76015 38 Reviews 495 reads
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31 / 49
Aphrodighty 23 Reviews 690 reads
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32 / 49

I am not going to contact this girl. I try not to meet someone with so little info available (pictures, reviews, web pages). I am a little OCD about who I try to meet researching carefully. "Shopping for my perfect provider is a big part of the hobby for me. I am still looking for my ideal experience with a provider, and this girl is not her.

I posted the question more as a philosophical one as I am new to P411.

VOO-doo 560 reads
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33 / 49

The 'perfect provider' for you or anybody else likely does not exist.  

A wise madam said to me once, "They go from girl to girl looking for Marilyn Monroe, and when they finally find her...she's too blonde." Shows her age, but anyway...

This really isn't the place to find a perfect, or ideal, girl. It's a place to satisfy a need and have some fun. If you happen to find someone who makes you want to sing and dance - great! Stay in her good favor, keep things in perspective, and keep going back.  

Also, the girl who seems 'perfect' on paper might not be satisfying for you, in person. The girl who you might just 'settle' for because nobody else is available might be the girl who does it for you. The chemistry factor is incalculable.  

Also - (I don't know but I would guess) sometimes unrealistic expectations might keep you from recognizing a provider who you might eventually come to enjoy. From the provider side, I've given a second and third chance to some clients I wasn't crazy about the first time around...and now they are some of my favorites.

Keep an open mind :) Gambler seems to think she's legit

Blowing Chunks 583 reads
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34 / 49
Blowing Chunks 656 reads
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35 / 49

Reminds me of McDonald but McDonald was actually funny

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 649 reads
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36 / 49

A provider can get into P411 with the recommendation of a member provider OR a member hobbyist OR by having reviews on a review board.

A hobbyist can get in by giving personal info OR by two recommendations from member providers.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 553 reads
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37 / 49

My understanding of P411 entry is they require a provider to have reviews, or a recommendation from another P411 provider or hobbyist.

Cosette 563 reads
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38 / 49

Went back to my records, I signed up for P411 at the end of July, at that moment I had exactly 1 review. But definitely no recommendations, just a TER ID and a site, no blog.

anonymousfun 6 Reviews 633 reads
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inicky46 61 Reviews 539 reads
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40 / 49

Tell us, af, were you actually drooling on your keyboard when you wrote this

AsianManNOVA 641 reads
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41 / 49

Not even a thank you after all the help and suggestions you have received? GaG even offered his help in PM. On top of that, making a comment about this is not a great discussion? Get the fuck out of here. I seriously doubt you will ever receive any help here from now on. Some people really feel entitled.

nahtynikkey See my TER Reviews 505 reads
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43 / 49

Correct. I did not get on P411 through the use of a provider or hobbyist recommendation, but through my past history of reviews and the length of time my website had been up. I think ladies with no reviews have to go the other route.  

I've also known hobbyists who have gotten approved through just one provider recommendation...but those providers have many OK's and have been on the site for a long time...so maybe that plays a part in it.  
Posted By: perfectstorm
A provider can get into P411 with the recommendation of a member provider OR a member hobbyist OR by having reviews on a review board.  
   
 A hobbyist can get in by giving personal info OR by two recommendations from member providers.

Sooo...YouWanna 553 reads
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44 / 49

Anything over $160 will get them crying their little eyes out. She's actually pretty high priced for the area and not having reviews.  

Posted By: RodTidweLL
Besides 280 only? And she has the body of a model sounds like scam to me. Also no way new Orleans prices are that different from DC where 4-6 is increasingly more normal.

inicky46 61 Reviews 449 reads
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45 / 49

Yes, you posted for him to stay away but for the wrong reason.  And my reply is still correct, so thanks for posting it again.  You are totally clueless and, of course, have no idea.  You really need to go back to the Newbie Board, but you are so totally clueless I'm becoming afraid that it won't help. You seem incapable of learning anything.

GinaXXX 606 reads
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46 / 49

While P411 is not perfect, to this date it has never been used to "snare mongers". Over the 9 years we've been in business, there have been a handful of client accounts compromised and used to target providers only.  

I'm not saying that it's not possible for a provider account to be compromised and used to target clients, all I'm saying is that it HAS NOT happened up to this point... and I would really appreciate it if people refrained from spreading incorrect information.

If anyone has any specific questions or concerns, I'm always available via email. :)

GinaXXX 759 reads
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47 / 49

Your account was approved because you had multiple good reviews posted by established reviewers, which means that direct referrals from hobbyists were not required. :

GinaXXX 507 reads
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48 / 49

Hi Cosette. You actually had a review by an established reviewer, AND a P411 client member vouching for you, when you signed up.

I'm not saying it's rocket science for a provider to get on P411 either, but she does have to have a review posted by an established reviewer, OR a P411 client with at least 5 Okays to vouch for her before we'll approve the application. If a provider has that information, it's definitely not difficult at all.

Cosette 586 reads
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49 / 49

I'm assuming he also vouched for me. I was fortunate, it was a seamless process.

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