Oh, no. The one I paid $800 is absolutely the best. Everything, from the first communication to the last, to the hotels she chooses, to the way she accessorizes the room, to her clothes, makeup, face, body, performance...everything is just perfect. She makes me (and I'm sure every guy she sees) feel like the only guy in the world. I wish I could find more like her.
It seems like most of the guys here have mostly positive experiences with providers. My experience runs the other direction for some reason. If it's me, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
I've seen three providers who had old photos on their sites, were much older than their profiles, who rigged the reviews, or some combination of the three. All had great reviews and scores.
I had one provider who was rated a 10/10 with reviews to match, and who was indeed very hot, very good, and very charming. She also brought her dog to bed with us, and petted it while she gave me a BJ.
One touring provider I saw was gorgeous with a killer body. She spent the first hour of our two hours talking, even as I tried to get into sex with her. She had an alarm that went off ten minutes before our two hours ended. I hadn't cum yet, but she couldn't (or wouldn't) book a third hour, as she had to eat.
My ATF is a legend in her city. She's gorgeous, had the most amazing body I've ever seen, and would do anything a guy wanted. I loved being with her, but she drove me up the wall. In all of the times I saw her, she was never less than an hour late. Once she was two hours late and then we had to wait another two hours before she could book into the hotel. She rescheduled me a couple of times. Because I had to drive several hours to her city, I needed to overnight and see her the next day. So I'd email or call three days before our appointment to confirm. About half the time she wouldn't reply, and I'd have to cancel.
The last time I made an appointment with her, I emailed four days in advance to confirm, as I had to book two nights at the hotel because she'd gone to outcall only (to raise her rates without raising her rates). I wanted to be able to cancel the hotel and get a refund if she flaked out. I didn't hear from her, and so cancelled that evening. An hour later she texted me to say we were still on. I warned her about the hotel, and booked it again for two nights. Hours later, at 3 am, she texted to say that she forgot her son had football camp the day of our appointment, and couldn't make it. I was stuck with the cost of the hotel for two nights.
Things like that were the reason I always confirmed three or four days in advance. If I hadn't, I would have gone to her city only to not have her show. And that was the last time I tried to book with her. I'd put up with more than just about any guy would, but I honestly couldn't find anyone who came close to her. Even suckers like me have a breaking point, though.
Fast forward to this week. A well-reviewed provider I've wanted to see for a long time was in town. I contacted her last week for an appointment on Thursday. We were exchanging emails back and forth and everything sounded wonderful. I suggested a time for Thursday. Late Wednesday night I got an email saying, in a very cold tone, that our schedules just didn't match up. I was floored, and emailed to ask if I'd said something wrong. I got a reply on Thursday morning saying I was fine. She said she was available on Friday. I said book me at any time she wanted, I just wanted to see her. I never heard a word again. I never got to see her.
I know that I'm going to be told I'm doing something wrong, and I'd love to hear ideas on what it is (aside from rewarding my ATF's bad behavior, which I already know). Meanwhile, I think I'll start taking golf lessons
A solid foundation is the key to a repeatable swing...
escorts and are unable to review them. IMHO that is bull-crap. From what I've read on TER, this happens a lot. Guys travel for hours, pay for a hotel room, and have to put up with delays. The escort suffers no lose. There must be a better way. Then again, how many guys have been no-shows?
I've seen three providers who had old photos on their sites, were much older than their profiles, who rigged the reviews, or some combination of the three. All had great reviews and scores.
I had one provider who was rated a 10/10 with reviews to match, and who was indeed very hot, very good, and very charming. She also brought her dog to bed with us, and petted it while she gave me a BJ.
One touring provider I saw was gorgeous with a killer body. She spent the first hour of our two hours talking, even as I tried to get into sex with her. She had an alarm that went off ten minutes before our two hours ended. I hadn't cum yet, but she couldn't (or wouldn't) book a third hour, as she had to eat.
My ATF is a legend in her city. She's gorgeous, had the most amazing body I've ever seen, and would do anything a guy wanted. I loved being with her, but she drove me up the wall. In all of the times I saw her, she was never less than an hour late. Once she was two hours late and then we had to wait another two hours before she could book into the hotel. She rescheduled me a couple of times. Because I had to drive several hours to her city, I needed to overnight and see her the next day. So I'd email or call three days before our appointment to confirm. About half the time she wouldn't reply, and I'd have to cancel.
The last time I made an appointment with her, I emailed four days in advance to confirm, as I had to book two nights at the hotel because she'd gone to outcall only (to raise her rates without raising her rates). I wanted to be able to cancel the hotel and get a refund if she flaked out. I didn't hear from her, and so cancelled that evening. An hour later she texted me to say we were still on. I warned her about the hotel, and booked it again for two nights. Hours later, at 3 am, she texted to say that she forgot her son had football camp the day of our appointment, and couldn't make it. I was stuck with the cost of the hotel for two nights.
Things like that were the reason I always confirmed three or four days in advance. If I hadn't, I would have gone to her city only to not have her show. And that was the last time I tried to book with her. I'd put up with more than just about any guy would, but I honestly couldn't find anyone who came close to her. Even suckers like me have a breaking point, though.
Fast forward to this week. A well-reviewed provider I've wanted to see for a long time was in town. I contacted her last week for an appointment on Thursday. We were exchanging emails back and forth and everything sounded wonderful. I suggested a time for Thursday. Late Wednesday night I got an email saying, in a very cold tone, that our schedules just didn't match up. I was floored, and emailed to ask if I'd said something wrong. I got a reply on Thursday morning saying I was fine. She said she was available on Friday. I said book me at any time she wanted, I just wanted to see her. I never heard a word again. I never got to see her.
I know that I'm going to be told I'm doing something wrong, and I'd love to hear ideas on what it is (aside from rewarding my ATF's bad behavior, which I already know). Meanwhile, I think I'll start taking golf lessons.
I've seen three providers who had old photos on their sites, were much older than their profiles, who rigged the reviews, or some combination of the three. All had great reviews and scores.
I had one provider who was rated a 10/10 with reviews to match, and who was indeed very hot, very good, and very charming. She also brought her dog to bed with us, and petted it while she gave me a BJ.
One touring provider I saw was gorgeous with a killer body. She spent the first hour of our two hours talking, even as I tried to get into sex with her. She had an alarm that went off ten minutes before our two hours ended. I hadn't cum yet, but she couldn't (or wouldn't) book a third hour, as she had to eat.
My ATF is a legend in her city. She's gorgeous, had the most amazing body I've ever seen, and would do anything a guy wanted. I loved being with her, but she drove me up the wall. In all of the times I saw her, she was never less than an hour late. Once she was two hours late and then we had to wait another two hours before she could book into the hotel. She rescheduled me a couple of times. Because I had to drive several hours to her city, I needed to overnight and see her the next day. So I'd email or call three days before our appointment to confirm. About half the time she wouldn't reply, and I'd have to cancel.
The last time I made an appointment with her, I emailed four days in advance to confirm, as I had to book two nights at the hotel because she'd gone to outcall only (to raise her rates without raising her rates). I wanted to be able to cancel the hotel and get a refund if she flaked out. I didn't hear from her, and so cancelled that evening. An hour later she texted me to say we were still on. I warned her about the hotel, and booked it again for two nights. Hours later, at 3 am, she texted to say that she forgot her son had football camp the day of our appointment, and couldn't make it. I was stuck with the cost of the hotel for two nights.
Things like that were the reason I always confirmed three or four days in advance. If I hadn't, I would have gone to her city only to not have her show. And that was the last time I tried to book with her. I'd put up with more than just about any guy would, but I honestly couldn't find anyone who came close to her. Even suckers like me have a breaking point, though.
Fast forward to this week. A well-reviewed provider I've wanted to see for a long time was in town. I contacted her last week for an appointment on Thursday. We were exchanging emails back and forth and everything sounded wonderful. I suggested a time for Thursday. Late Wednesday night I got an email saying, in a very cold tone, that our schedules just didn't match up. I was floored, and emailed to ask if I'd said something wrong. I got a reply on Thursday morning saying I was fine. She said she was available on Friday. I said book me at any time she wanted, I just wanted to see her. I never heard a word again. I never got to see her.
I know that I'm going to be told I'm doing something wrong, and I'd love to hear ideas on what it is (aside from rewarding my ATF's bad behavior, which I already know). Meanwhile, I think I'll start taking golf lessons.
It sure seems like it to me. You must be telegraphing that vibe to providers. Why would you put up with that crap?
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And how would I telegraph it in a simple email? The only way I can think of that I might be telegraphing such is saying that I'd really like to see them. Not "I love you" or anything like that. Just that I've been wanting to see them for quite some time, etc. Other than that, it's what I think is pretty straightforward, "can we meet at 2 pm for two hours" sort of thing.
I don't know how I'd telegraph them to have them be older than their photos, etc. That's something they're obviously doing to everyone.
Maybe I'm being too eager to see them. I could try something like this: I'm willing to see you for two hours, but you'd better take the offer now while you can. There's plenty of other fish in the sea, bitch.
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pigeons and some people are statues. You're a statue. Its just the way nature is.
If you want to be a pigeon instead, get some balls and don't put up with this kind of BS. I had a regular that was chronically 10 minutes late. I stopped seeing her for a month, and when she asked me why, I told her I didn't like having my time wasted by her being late, so I was tryng out new girls. She said if I kept seeing her, she would never be late again, and she wasn't.
coeur-de-lion, with my former ATF, I would often go for weeks or months without seeing her after one of her stunts. Like your regular, mine would ask and I'd tell her. I'd get the "I'm so sorry, I'll make it up to you" line. Then she'd just start in on the same old routine again. She obviously didn't care if I came back or not.
I put up with it because nobody came close to her, at least for me. There was just something special about her, aside from her looks. It helped when she destroyed her voluptuous body by losing a lot of weight and becoming pretty skinny. It was easier for me to stop seeing her.
reviews that may have been old?
If you take some time to read the Newbie Board, you will find that new hobbyists should only see well-reviewed ladies; meaning a lady with at least 6 reviews from established hobbyists.
If you take the time to look, there are many wonderful independent ladies who also see new hobbyists.
Good luck.
I leave it to others to TOFTT.
I don't know how many reviews are manipulated, or how many guys experience the same but don't write it. For example, my former ATF would every so often have a review where the guy complained about her being late, or a NCNS the first time he tried to see her. I do know that she would try to get such negative comments removed by the guys., and was usually successful. What she offered or threatened, I don't know.
I mentioned the dog in my review and the provider asked me to remove that. I gave an 8 to a provider who is scamming the reviews, and caught hell for that.
I'd just like to be one of those guys who have a good time on most dates without the drama
wow....i've been hobbying for 10+ yrs and i've never had the troubles you've had on just those 3. dude, what area are you in? i'm in Chicago, and tho I'm sure it happens here, i have yet to experience your woe's.
Fore......
I hobby in the Atlanta area for the most part, but sometimes providers will tour here in Alabama
If I had the money (and the time...) - I would see them every day and twice on Saturdays. I have reviewed them.
All of them have been reliable. Never had an NCNS. Occasional cancellation..... but well in advance. Occasional late start but no worse (actually better...) than a civilian date back when I was doing that.... though I admit that when you are paying them it is more annoying.
There is not a one of them whom I would not see again - and honestly, I have seen all but two more than once. A half dozen times (or more...) in some cases. And I continue to see them. Though not NEARLY as often as I would like to see them.
Now - it is very possible that these ladies are outside your comfort zone with regards to weight and age - but their pictures are accurate.
Didn't you post a similar story of whoa a week or two ago?
But PRS ... forget golf ... it one of the only activities that's more frustrating than what you're experiencing with hookers.
Does this happen when you're trying to schedule a therapeutic massage too? Or maybe you might consider BDSM? Now that
would pissed me off if I got a NCNS from someone I was gonna
pay go kick my ass ...lol
You'll figure it out. It's just a run of bad luck? Stay outta casinos.
I don't know how many reviews are manipulated, or how many guys experience the same but don't write it. For example, my former ATF would every so often have a review where the guy complained about her being late, or a NCNS the first time he tried to see her. I do know that she would try to get such negative comments removed by the guys., and was usually successful. What she offered or threatened, I don't know.
I mentioned the dog in my review and the provider asked me to remove that. I gave an 8 to a provider who is scamming the reviews, and caught hell for that.
I'd just like to be one of those guys who have a good time on most dates without the drama.
Sounds like you're sensitive, maybe get some thicker skin about it? They're girls for one and hookers for two... being late and sometimes unreliable and disappearing are part of the process. If youve seen truly well reviewed ladies it might've just been a bad string of luck. If your texting or emailing constantly for days about an appointment you look needy. That's high maintenance and no one likes that guys or girls. I'd blow you off also, not a critique just saying. I understand you're driving from far away and need to confirm but expecting some these girls to be able to plan several days or weeks out is like pulling teeth. I like to email or text in the morning and see them within a few hours. Otherwise it's too much work for both of us. If you're hobbying out of town maybe just get a hotel for a day or two and call it a vacation for yourself. Once you get there try to round someone up to come over. If you score a good one, good for you. If you run into problems, oh well, you wanted to take a day or two away anyways. Go have some fun and enjoy wherever you are. It shouldn't be that difficult. Was thousands of chicks out there willing to do this. If someone gives you the runaround just cut ties and don't talk to them again. It's the best way. Have fun and don't sweat it.
I don't know how many reviews are manipulated, or how many guys experience the same but don't write it. For example, my former ATF would every so often have a review where the guy complained about her being late, or a NCNS the first time he tried to see her. I do know that she would try to get such negative comments removed by the guys., and was usually successful. What she offered or threatened, I don't know.
I mentioned the dog in my review and the provider asked me to remove that. I gave an 8 to a provider who is scamming the reviews, and caught hell for that.
I'd just like to be one of those guys who have a good time on most dates without the drama.
You make street walkers sound more reliable than the well reviewed.
There is something to be said about shopping at a brick and mortar.
Zzbottom2, I was married for decades to a woman who was proud to call herself a bitch. I have a pretty thick skin. 
I'm sensitive to this right now because I have limited time. This latest provider just wasted a weekend in which I could have been with someone else.
If a provider runs a touring ad a week before she's going to be in that city, I figure she wants advance bookings. I've seen many cancel tours because they didn't get a sufficient response.
As for emailing or texting constantly, I'm just replying to the provider's emails or texts. Once everything is settled, I don't contact again until I've arrived at the hotel.
I'm actually starting to run out of providers I want to see, even in a full market like Atlanta.
I'd rather the provider just say that she doesn't want to see me than to say she does and then jerk me around. I've had providers politely say that there's one thing or another that won't work, and I respect that honesty.
Others have said in the past that there's something I'm doing wrong. I think that's possible, but I don't know what it is.
One provider I saw recently is from New York. She's $1000 an hour, although she grandfathered me at $800 per hour because I'd seen her before her rate hike. She's 100% professional, 100% reliable, and treats me (and presumably every other guy) like a king. It shouldn't be necessary to pay $800 to get quality service and treatment, though.
One of the providers who uses old photos and is older than stated in her profile is otherwise very professional in her communication, very prompt, and very attentive. She kept offering me a blow job about every 15 minutes. I was on my way to the door when our appointment was over, and she dropped my pants and gave me another BJ. I was impressed.
It's clear that you are spending a lot of money and not really enjoying yourself. If you can't find what you are looking for in Atlanta for less than $800 there is simply no hope for you. Atlanta is one of the very best places in the country where it comes to the number of available hotties and ladies at a quite reasonable price point.
I don't know exactly what you are doing wrong, nor do I care to put forth the effort to figure it out for you, but CLEARLY you are doing something wrong and perhaps it is time for you to find a new hobby.Thousands of other guys are having a great time and doing so in markets much less "target rich" than you, Any guy with money who can't find a decent hooker for $300 hr, much less $800, really needs to call it a day. Sorry, but it sucks to be you.
Reviews are not a guarantee that you will have a positive experience, or an experience at all.
For every positive review written for a lady, I guarantee there are at least ten other guys who would never see the lady again.
In Atlanta I'd be seeing Grace Kelly and Ginger Taylor
Opposites in size and stature but both pleasers.
...Well PRS2005 many of us have experienced individual disappointment with the providers NCNS & not behaving the way they have been reviewed or advertised, and although your case seems a bit extreme if I were you I would begin by examining the common denominators. I would encourage you to spend more effort in scrutinizing any reviews that you use to decide which provider to choose, look at the history of the reviewers you may even use the TER PM system to contact other reviewers. I am fortunate enough to have many great providers in my area so I seldom book appointments with visiting providers because if they get booked up they may choose to see to many guys in one day. I hope this helps you happy hobbying,
to figure it out. Maybe he could ask the question, how did I treat my former ATF differently than I am treating these new ladies?
Research, research, research; use the PM system to verify validity of reviews, etc.
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Agreed. However, even the PM system isn't without flaws. I pm'ed guys about the latest provider with fake 10/10 reviews, and was assured that she was beautiful. The guys are just cowed by her. If I could post a full-length photo of her on this forum showing her face and body, I'm certain there's not a guy here who would score her a 10 or even a 9. But her reviewers keep giving her 10's, and probably because she's pressuring them as she did me.
or you're just lying.
Well, you could go see her for yourself and let us know. I can't think of another way to prove to you I'm not lying. And why would I lie? It's not like I'm saying I have an 8" dick or I'm a billionaire or I'm the greatest fuck in the world. I'm saying I have a problem, and I'm looking for ideas
Yet, you're sill having problems. At this point the problem is you. Not other reviewers, not providers, not anybody else but YOU.
I'm sure you have contacted other people other than garbage dude and others via PM. Quit blaming everybody else or finding an excuse for everyone else. The problem is you. You've been given a lot of good advice in this thread, and I'm sure for individuals. Why don't you take that advice and shut up.
You know, I am getting some good advice, but not from you. You're just an asshole. Why are you even reading this thread if it bothers you so much? Fucking pervert.
Look like you've learned something today. Pervert!!! hahahahaha
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Fucking perverts.
Probably safe to say that of those 10 other guys 7 of them may well have written a good review as well. -- Okay, maybe not as I suspect most hobbyist don't write reviews but you get the point being made. The willingness to repeat and good reviews are only loosely related.
a 10/10 ...
a Touring Provider ...
your ATF ...
a bucket list gal ....
It's like one from column A, one from Column B...
Dude, do you have a sweet spot? Maybe a K Girl?
Spinner? Agency? That's it, get verified by an Agency
in your town. Nobody can fuck that up. And I think I've and others have asked before, where do you live?
Gotta steer clear of those parts
.
I hope this all passes for you unless you're that guy... the guy
that's totally cursed? Maybe hookers are your pet peeve? Hope
not. Can't do nothing about that shit
I'm not making this up. I also don't understand your first paragraph.
I've had mediocre experiences with agencies. The girls don't seem as motivated. I've noticed a relatively new agency in the Ohio area. They have a winning formula: slender, curvy, leggy girls with nice breasts and what appear to be attractive faces. It's tempting to meet up with one at a nearby city when she's touring. The problem is that just about all of the reviews are mediocre. They're mostly Russian girls with what reviewers describe as little motivation. I've noticed looking at escort sites in Europe that the best looking escorts are almost always Eastern European. I've also noticed that the reviews aren't all that good for those girls.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that I live in Alabama. I have Atlanta, Nashville and Birmingham within reasonable driving distance. Every so often a decent provider visits a city very close to me, but not often. The overly-talkative provider with the alarm was visiting that city when I saw her.
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The OP sounds like one of those guys.
From reading his posts on this thread, he most likely lives in Birmingham AL, about two hours west of Atlanta. Finding great hookers in Atlanta is about as hard as finding a good bowl of chowder in Boston. Anyone who fails at it should simply hang it up and find a new, and cheaper hobby. He's hopeless.
Maybe you're right, GaG.
You and I had a PM conversation about some of this a couple of years ago, and I gave you more detailed information. IIRC, you couldn't figure out the problem back then.
For the most part, I'm happy as can be once I'm with the woman. The problem seems to lie in the scheduling.
after you're screened, the gal has invested the time to move forward and receive your money. It makes no sense she'd invest the time to verify you then not see you.
Perhaps you should not book so far in advance and only contact the hooker the day before/ morning of. When I've booked in advance, I've often heard back from the gal a day or so before to see if I'm still on. But I've usually communicated prior.
Try something different ... you admit what you do ain't workin. I also think a good agency can help you break the string. Clear the cobwebs. Start a winning streak. God, this ain't that hard.
You and I had a PM conversation about some of this a couple of years ago, and I gave you more detailed information. IIRC, you couldn't figure out the problem back then.
For the most part, I'm happy as can be once I'm with the woman. The problem seems to lie in the scheduling.
Thanks for the constructive criticism.
If I break down the problems I listed, I find three specific types:
Providers who misrepresent themselves. As I recall, scheduling with those three was all efficient, and they were all on time. They were just big disappointments, and I was upset that they were not as advertised. Sex with two of the three was good, though. (What I find interesting is the comments guys make about all three on the regional forums, talking about them as if they were absolutely gorgeous. These same guys talk about my former ATF in almost reverential tones, with most of them wishing they could afford to see her. Is $500 really that much more than $350?)
The provider with the clock, and the one with the dog. It's just not the way to do business. I can't help that, nor can I foresee it, nor do I think anything I did caused it.
My former ATF and the latest provider debacle. Both have problems with scheduling, or I had problems with scheduling with them. Both led me to believe that we were a go, then changed their minds at the last minute, then changed back again. I know with my former ATF that I should have just cut all ties. With this latest one, I should have just stopped communication after her first "sorry", instead of asking what happened. I can see where with both of these women I'm setting myself up as a doormat.
On the issue of scheduling a week or more in advance with touring providers, I've had several instances where the providers cancelled tours because of lack of interest, and providers booking up far in advance.
When you spoke under your real handle, I had a more of a foundation of knowledge about who you are/were to try to help you.
Given the info you have given on this thread, and having only that to work with, the conclusion was easy to reach that you are simply beyond help. lol
I do remember some of the challenges you face, but lets face it, you are setting yourself up for failure by being a doormat. I also have to say you are putting much too stock in the reviews which often are written by guys with zero standards.
Lastly, people treat you the way you train them to treat you. Have you ever noticed that some of us almost NEVER have any of these problems you are constantly running into, while with others (YOU) it seems to be the norm and not the exception? You really need to start looking inward for the solution, not outward.
PS, forget my advice about golf. I expect you'd be throwing your clubs in the lake after your second round. lol
Too much stock in reviews, and setting myself up to be a doormat. I agree on both points.
I know that most guys here don't have these kinds of problems, and I can't just be some mathematical outlier. There's a reason, and I just have to figure it out.
BTW, just twenty minutes ago, I was thinking about your lifestyle (fucking chicks every day, or multiple times a day), and was reminded of the joke that got Groucho Marx kicked off of TV. He was the host of a game show, "Who Do You Trust". Groucho was asking a contestant questions about himself. The guy said he had eight kids, to which Groucho expressed surprise. The guy said, "I love my wife", to which Groucho replied, "I love my cigar, too, but I take it out of my mouth once in awhile". That got him kicked off TV. I wonder if you ever take your cigar out of your mouth.
Yes it is! It is all relative but by your logic I could say, "Is 5 million really that much more than 3.5 million?"
With my situation, I spend an entire weekend seeing someone in Atlanta. I drive there on Saturday, overnight, and see the provider early Sunday afternoon. After expending all that time and effort, I'd rather pay a little more for what I think is a better "package".
I just can't imagine knowing that there's an incredible provider available for $500, but I balk at that and settle for one not as good-looking (and maybe not as good a performer) just to save a bit of money.
First, $500 for the weekend is not much more than 350. Phone numbers please.
Second, if it ain't that much; see how many women will drop their rate that little much to fuck ya.
Third, I can get 3 fuck dates with a $350 gal instead of 2 with a $500
Ya know what you need .... a great $250 gal. I know a great provider up here that would sort you out and I'd make 50 on the deal hahaha
that speak you language. Someone who sees women as you'd like to see them...if he calls them fat ... they're FAT, if he says they do a BBBJ and you like that, run don't walk. Someone who's word you respect.
I cut my teeth on about 10 locals who's reviews I UNDERSTOOD. One guy was a bit of an dick but I could read through his bullshit. He was and they were reliable. If they didn't review a gal, I looked for a common thread in the gals reviews. And my gut. Gut is good!
If I break down the problems I listed, I find three specific types:
Providers who misrepresent themselves. As I recall, scheduling with those three was all efficient, and they were all on time. They were just big disappointments, and I was upset that they were not as advertised. Sex with two of the three was good, though. (What I find interesting is the comments guys make about all three on the regional forums, talking about them as if they were absolutely gorgeous. These same guys talk about my former ATF in almost reverential tones, with most of them wishing they could afford to see her. Is $500 really that much more than $350?)
The provider with the clock, and the one with the dog. It's just not the way to do business. I can't help that, nor can I foresee it, nor do I think anything I did caused it.
My former ATF and the latest provider debacle. Both have problems with scheduling, or I had problems with scheduling with them. Both led me to believe that we were a go, then changed their minds at the last minute, then changed back again. I know with my former ATF that I should have just cut all ties. With this latest one, I should have just stopped communication after her first "sorry", instead of asking what happened. I can see where with both of these women I'm setting myself up as a doormat.
On the issue of scheduling a week or more in advance with touring providers, I've had several instances where the providers cancelled tours because of lack of interest, and providers booking up far in advance.
The touring issue is probably one of those -- set your expectations low and have some backup plans. Same with the ATF and some of the other indies -- just expect scheduling issues and don't let them get to you.
I'm largely at a loss to suggest much else as there's really not a lot but generalities and that's not the problem the problem is going to be specifics. I'm making a really wild guess based on lack of information but what do you do during you sessions? I don't claim to be every girls favorite guy but I do make an effort to make the session fun for the provider and not just part of their job responsibilities.
I was talking with one of the touring girls I will see whenever she comes to town about her next stop. It was the first time she was going to visit the city and told me she wasn't really excited about it. One of the other girls had said the clients there were boring and just "lay there"!
I've been privvy to what some of the providers have told new providers asking for a reference. It's been good, and really better than what I expected. Even the provider I gave the unwanted 8 to had good things to say. The most lackluster was from my ATF's assistant, who just said, "he's clean and safe".
I'm not very good sexually any more, but I try my best, and I try to engage them in conversation that interests them during the cuddling time. Some I don't get off, others I seem to get off to some degree or another.
Some guys say you shouldn't compliment a beautiful woman about her looks, as she's bored with hearing it. I find it hard to not compliment, as beautiful women just make me genuinely happy.
If a lady goes to outcall only, it doesn't necessarily mean she is "raising her rates without raising her rates"!
Maybe her incall wasn't available any longer? Or it wasn't being utilized enough to pay the rent? Or some other reason? Safe, discreet locations for incalls are not easy to secure, and hotels are just getting more and more expensive.
And not all ladies charge more for an outcall than an incall.
"...she'd gone to outcall only (to raise her rates without raising her rates)."
Sure it's raising her rates. Before, she included the cost of the hotel in her rate. Now, the customer has to pay for the hotel. That's another $125 to $200 for the customer, and $125 to $200 that she doesn't have to shell out.
In the case of my ATF, it could be that she had worn out her welcome at the hotels in her city. She was working a lot in 2013 and 2014, and it could be that the staff started recognizing her. Just a thought.
But at least in golf you get 90 shots in 5 hours, instead of 1 shot in 1 hour. And for 500 big ones, one can play Pebble.
You know the hobby can go in cycles. I've had highly rated ladies no show, string me along, talk for an hour, and so on. A couple of times the ladies cried for the hour. Even had doggie, and kitten experiences. I'd say be patient, and keep trying. The hobby cycle has to turn your way soon.
One other thing. You keep saying things like gorgeous, hot, 10/10, killer body, and so forth. Those are nice, but my down to earth ladies are tons of fun too. Maybe try a more down to earth approach just to get you back on track. I've also found that down to earth enhances beauty, and dependability.
I agree wholeheartedly with this advice. The OP mentioned a pet experience and of being strung along via email while booking .. amusingly both of which in different manners I've experienced. Unfortunately, I do have a very busy schedule so I try to book in advance as well. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. It takes thick skin to survive and stay a gentleman in the process. Mojojo is right about down to earth ladies and one of my past favorites used to say that whatever one does "always keep it classy." The bad experiences are what we have to compare the good ones against. Continue enjoying life and spend your time and money with the providers who are classy and respectful.
Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone in this. I think.
I mentioned in another thread that I've seen a provider who's maybe a 7 in looks. She treats me like a king. I just have a thing for really hot women, though. It's what got me stuck with my ex for decades.
like a bad hobby experience, was still better than my best day at work,
You know the hobby can go in cycles. I've had highly rated ladies no show, string me along, talk for an hour, and so on. A couple of times the ladies cried for the hour. Even had doggie, and kitten experiences. I'd say be patient, and keep trying. The hobby cycle has to turn your way soon.
One other thing. You keep saying things like gorgeous, hot, 10/10, killer body, and so forth. Those are nice, but my down to earth ladies are tons of fun too. Maybe try a more down to earth approach just to get you back on track. I've also found that down to earth enhances beauty, and dependability.
once I'm alone with the woman, it's almost always good. Even with the ones who use old photos or manipulate the reviews, with just one exception the sex has been good. As I've mentioned in other posts, the problem for the most part is getting from first email or text contact to getting to the hotel. The sex with the one provider with the dog was great, too. The three of us laid back and had a cigarette when it was over.
fido enjoyed the cigarette too ?
just asking .... as in daisy chain ?
Post up some links or names. I"m sure guys in the Atlanta area can chime-in to your curse.
Always check check the number of reviews by the poster, it is a string of only one posts with 10/10 by a bunch of 'reviewers' then I pass.
Also, were these AA women? I've noticed a ton of over inflated reviews in general from these providers for whatever reason.
You can choose to believe me or not. I'm not going to post links to reviews and embarrass ladies. If I were raving about them, it would be a different story.
I've learned the hard way about all 10/10's. One of the providers I mentioned had all 10/10 scores. When I saw her I couldn't believe anyone would rate her a 10 for looks. She just wasn't in that league. She got bent out of shape when I gave her an 8. Now I look for a mix of 9's and 10's and even an 8 every so often.
Only one of the bad experiences I mentioned was with an AA woman. I've only had good experiences with AA women, except for that one. I really liked her, though. If she had treated me better, I would have seen her every time she was in the area. I don't think I've ever seen a woman with such long legs.
Still don't believe you.
Post up some names that were rated 10s, but that you don't think were 10s.
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I think he was referring to the response from josulli saying you can't post links.
I was thrown off at first because there was nothing in the post tippicanoe was replying too that said anything about not being able to post links.
I've mentioned my learned experience with all 10/10's in previous posts.
That said, my former ATF's reviews were almost all 10/10's, and her face, body and performance were definitely 10/10. Her propensity for being late, or even NCNS? Not so much.
Have you learned how to read other peoples reviews from this experience as well. Just because some will give that max to all the girls they see AND you don't agree with the assessment learn to use an adjustment factor rather than assuming your scale is the same as others' here. You might start with better expectations going in -- or knowing to go somewhere else.
What I've been doing for quite some time is looking at the reviewers' scores of a provider I'm interested in, and then looking at his reviews of other providers. I'm looking to see if he tends to score high, low, or have a pretty good spread from low to high. I also look to see if he's reviewed any providers I'm familiar with, just to see if our tastes are the same. I wish I'd done this last year, as I could have avoided one of the providers with outdated photos.
None of that would have helped with the provider from this week. I'm pretty sure her reviews are accurate. There must have been something in my communication with her that turned her off at the last minute. Or she just had something better come along (an all-nighter or all day, a short trip, something like that
I've seen three providers who had old photos on their sites, were much older than their profiles, who rigged the reviews, or some combination of the three. All had great reviews and scores.
I had one provider who was rated a 10/10 with reviews to match, and who was indeed very hot, very good, and very charming. She also brought her dog to bed with us, and petted it while she gave me a BJ.
One touring provider I saw was gorgeous with a killer body. She spent the first hour of our two hours talking, even as I tried to get into sex with her. She had an alarm that went off ten minutes before our two hours ended. I hadn't cum yet, but she couldn't (or wouldn't) book a third hour, as she had to eat.
My ATF is a legend in her city. She's gorgeous, had the most amazing body I've ever seen, and would do anything a guy wanted. I loved being with her, but she drove me up the wall. In all of the times I saw her, she was never less than an hour late. Once she was two hours late and then we had to wait another two hours before she could book into the hotel. She rescheduled me a couple of times. Because I had to drive several hours to her city, I needed to overnight and see her the next day. So I'd email or call three days before our appointment to confirm. About half the time she wouldn't reply, and I'd have to cancel.
The last time I made an appointment with her, I emailed four days in advance to confirm, as I had to book two nights at the hotel because she'd gone to outcall only (to raise her rates without raising her rates). I wanted to be able to cancel the hotel and get a refund if she flaked out. I didn't hear from her, and so cancelled that evening. An hour later she texted me to say we were still on. I warned her about the hotel, and booked it again for two nights. Hours later, at 3 am, she texted to say that she forgot her son had football camp the day of our appointment, and couldn't make it. I was stuck with the cost of the hotel for two nights.
Things like that were the reason I always confirmed three or four days in advance. If I hadn't, I would have gone to her city only to not have her show. And that was the last time I tried to book with her. I'd put up with more than just about any guy would, but I honestly couldn't find anyone who came close to her. Even suckers like me have a breaking point, though.
Fast forward to this week. A well-reviewed provider I've wanted to see for a long time was in town. I contacted her last week for an appointment on Thursday. We were exchanging emails back and forth and everything sounded wonderful. I suggested a time for Thursday. Late Wednesday night I got an email saying, in a very cold tone, that our schedules just didn't match up. I was floored, and emailed to ask if I'd said something wrong. I got a reply on Thursday morning saying I was fine. She said she was available on Friday. I said book me at any time she wanted, I just wanted to see her. I never heard a word again. I never got to see her.
I know that I'm going to be told I'm doing something wrong, and I'd love to hear ideas on what it is (aside from rewarding my ATF's bad behavior, which I already know). Meanwhile, I think I'll start taking golf lessons.
There will be some great deals on golf equipment right after the holidays.
However, please keep in mind that golf can be just as heartbreaking
I was expecting more sage advice.
Keep your head still, now down. I'm sure golf will suit you well. You can lie on your score card ,just like you lie on this board.
If I were here saying that I was a multimillionaire, or that I have a giant dick, I was the greatest fuck of all time, or even if I was here naming the providers (and thus damaging reputations), that would be a reason to lie. But saying, "I'm such a fuck up that I can't successfully pay for sex"? How is that a reason to lie?
I have no idea, maybe attentions seeker, troll, who knows.
You're in a target rich environment, but you can't get a 10/10 lay with $800? Something is wrong, and as others have suggesed - look in the mirror.
Oh, no. The one I paid $800 is absolutely the best. Everything, from the first communication to the last, to the hotels she chooses, to the way she accessorizes the room, to her clothes, makeup, face, body, performance...everything is just perfect. She makes me (and I'm sure every guy she sees) feel like the only guy in the world. I wish I could find more like her.
I think we all might think you're just catfish ing us a bit.
If you're as inept as you seem to claim, maybe you can open the PRS University. They say those who can't do, teach. FYI ... I ain't enrolling but there's a sucker born every day.
I see the lie accusation often when I start threads, and I can never figure it out. I can't see what the angle would be. It's not exactly a joy to open up and have people criticize you, even when the criticism is constructive.
I do think that some people who accuse others of lying are hoping those people will provide additional information (provider names, for example) so that more drama can be created. Maybe the providers will put the OP on their DNS list or something. Not saying that's you, but there's some folks I think could be shooting for that.
"But saying, 'I'm such a fuck up that I can't successfully pay for sex'? How is that a reason to lie? "
But with that as the starting position I'm not sure that posting the links to the providers reviews -- and perhaps your reviews -- would be damaging to the provider unless you think your situation is contagious or something.
Moreover, some might actually be reading this and have some useful advice to give.
They are not the same.
But if you want some of the latter, take a break for a few months, or maybe a year, then give it another go.
Sometimes there are ruts to get through
I firmly believe, even in the hobby world there are Jills for every Jack. The issue is finding a truly compatible match or two, where you both are totally thrilled with each other's company, and the business arrangement.
Like suits, some of us are an off the rack fit; others require more individualized fitting but when in the end the result is the same - a great suit makes us look and feel like a million bucks.
My sense is you are not a once size fits all. Reviews are great and helpful, to a point - but my guess is that you will be best served finding someone you feel is a match via traditional means of website and reviews. But then should things check out for you with those two approaches, I am thinking you will be best served by then individually contacting some hobbyists who have seen the woman you'd like to connect with (perhaps someone you respect from the boards) and talk more specifically to see if the reviewer can give you the insight you need to make a decision either way.
This may not work perfectly, but I think the goal here is to give each of us the best chance to succeed, and I think an approach like this will enhance your chances.
My guess too is that you don't need me to tell you this, so let's just put it in the category of 'just in case you want to give this approach a try again' as once I started these pm follow-ups I got a much clearer picture of whether or not i was barking up the right tree.
I think too that even in the hobby a good long term business relationship is not easy as people are not easy creatures to understand or interact with all the time.
Happy hunting, stick with it as it's still more fun than golf, and good luck...
PS just on the off chance that something unforeseen happened you may want to make sure you/your phone # isn't on some blacklist out there - but you probably thought of that too, and i'm just grasping at straws. Sorry, too many words, not enough new ideas.
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Sounds to me like you are just letting too much slide. I feel bad that you are having such bad experiences!! But I do agree with what someone said about you train people how to treat you. They can only get away with what you let them get away with. If they aren't treating you the way you feel you deserve to be treated, don't be scared to walk away. There are a million providers out here, in this hobby. Find one that treats you well.
I would NEVER dream of showing up an hour or more late to an appointment! That is insane. I was literally a minute late when I rang the doorbell to a meeting last night (because I missed my turn 
), and I was so apologetic for it. He laughed, and said, you aren't even late. I just know that I expect others to respect my time, so I do the same. To me, five minutes early is standard. If they aren't ready for me yet, I can wait a few minutes.
And a dog with you in bed during your appointment?!!? I honestly cannot believe the unprofessionalism and lack of customer service that some providers live by. I know it happens. I just can't fathom it. We are in a people oriented business. Our goal should be to have happy clients leaving our places, not more frustrated or upset.
I hope that you have a turn around. If you ever make it Houston, look me up. Maybe we can change your luck.
Adina
I've seen three providers who had old photos on their sites, were much older than their profiles, who rigged the reviews, or some combination of the three. All had great reviews and scores.
I had one provider who was rated a 10/10 with reviews to match, and who was indeed very hot, very good, and very charming. She also brought her dog to bed with us, and petted it while she gave me a BJ.
One touring provider I saw was gorgeous with a killer body. She spent the first hour of our two hours talking, even as I tried to get into sex with her. She had an alarm that went off ten minutes before our two hours ended. I hadn't cum yet, but she couldn't (or wouldn't) book a third hour, as she had to eat.
My ATF is a legend in her city. She's gorgeous, had the most amazing body I've ever seen, and would do anything a guy wanted. I loved being with her, but she drove me up the wall. In all of the times I saw her, she was never less than an hour late. Once she was two hours late and then we had to wait another two hours before she could book into the hotel. She rescheduled me a couple of times. Because I had to drive several hours to her city, I needed to overnight and see her the next day. So I'd email or call three days before our appointment to confirm. About half the time she wouldn't reply, and I'd have to cancel.
The last time I made an appointment with her, I emailed four days in advance to confirm, as I had to book two nights at the hotel because she'd gone to outcall only (to raise her rates without raising her rates). I wanted to be able to cancel the hotel and get a refund if she flaked out. I didn't hear from her, and so cancelled that evening. An hour later she texted me to say we were still on. I warned her about the hotel, and booked it again for two nights. Hours later, at 3 am, she texted to say that she forgot her son had football camp the day of our appointment, and couldn't make it. I was stuck with the cost of the hotel for two nights.
Things like that were the reason I always confirmed three or four days in advance. If I hadn't, I would have gone to her city only to not have her show. And that was the last time I tried to book with her. I'd put up with more than just about any guy would, but I honestly couldn't find anyone who came close to her. Even suckers like me have a breaking point, though.
Fast forward to this week. A well-reviewed provider I've wanted to see for a long time was in town. I contacted her last week for an appointment on Thursday. We were exchanging emails back and forth and everything sounded wonderful. I suggested a time for Thursday. Late Wednesday night I got an email saying, in a very cold tone, that our schedules just didn't match up. I was floored, and emailed to ask if I'd said something wrong. I got a reply on Thursday morning saying I was fine. She said she was available on Friday. I said book me at any time she wanted, I just wanted to see her. I never heard a word again. I never got to see her.
I know that I'm going to be told I'm doing something wrong, and I'd love to hear ideas on what it is (aside from rewarding my ATF's bad behavior, which I already know). Meanwhile, I think I'll start taking golf lessons.
I would put him on my list of DNS. Somebody with that bad luck, isn't luck at all.
What's your problem, dipshit? You claim to be bothered by my thread, yet you keep following me around bitching about it. Why keep reading it? Everyone else has moved on to other topics.
Since you seem to have a problem with me posting under an alias so as not to show the names of the providers I'm talking about, and thus embarrass them, why not come out from behind your alias? Or do you just want me to post links to my reviews so you can whack off when your mom's not home?
Fucking pervert.
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You probably are failing because of a combination of asperger and autism. Take your own advice, nobody invited you into this particular discussion. Your actions in this thread are pretty clear indicators of why you can't succeed when even paying for it.
Your use of the word 'pervert' is clear you are projecting your own failings. Seek help, its cheaper than paying for sex and you seem to be able to afford psychiatric help
Quit following me gay boy, and I mean that as a piece of advice. You're renting from the wrong office space, which is obviously your problem paired with your psychiatric issues. You've answered your own question to your problems.
Stalker
Tua madre è una puttana, e Il tuo padre aspira il rubinetto di cavallo
How cute, your obsessive compulsive behavior is finally shining through. Its now clear why you're failing.
I'll pray for you my son.
This has gotten boring, father. Let's clash on another thread sometime.
Evidently you are already well versed in humility based upon your post.
When I first started, I thought that supplying more information about my date availability (time, day, etc) would be a good thing, but it seems that I may have been lumped with time wasters, and I didn't even know what a time waster was. I understand it now though and it makes some sense.
After this discovery I learned to be as concise with my request, with as little correspondence as possible. I will request a specific time, day, duration (key: along with this request my screening info) and then if I'm flexible I'll describe my flexibility and offer her to change the day, time accordingly to her schedule. But my requesting a specific date, time, duration and including screening info lets her know that I'm not a time waster and I'm serious about spending time with her.
Accept certain inalienable truths, prices will rise, politicians will philander and hookers will be late. Even the very best of the best, not sure why, I'm convinced that it's not a general disregard or disrespect of our time. It seems that most hookers drive very unreliable vehicles, there must be car lots all over the country which offer discounts to hookers and who sell them unreliable vehicles just to fuck with us, lol. Seriously, just count on the fact that your hooker will be late and make allowances accordingly for time.
As far as old photos and bogus reviews, I don't know what to tell you. I've not had that experience, perhaps I'm lucky, but I believe that we make our own luck. I do my research, I spend more time on TER than I should, but I know what I like, what I want and I like to ensure that I've done everything I can to get it. My few negative experiences in this life has been with ladies that I did not research (a last minute BP or similar).
Golf is a great game, it takes a long time to get any good at it, similarly our sport is incredible, but it takes time to get good at it as well.
Thanks, Russ. Some good pieces of advice.
As for providers driving old cars and being late, that doesn't account for my former ATF. She had a brand new BMW 700 series and a brand new 528i. Before she decided to dial it all down, she was very, very busy and, at $500 an hour, was I suspect making a very good income. The BMW's still didn't get her to her appointments on time, though