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I just have to say this because I can't help myself..it's one of those days
EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 1501 reads
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1 / 56

To those I am not speaking of in this (those good guys out there who have sense), please do not take offense to the following:

After reading several of the posts below and many of the responses to them, I have to say.....

Some of you guys are really lucky that this isn't a "hobby" for many providers out there and that they have to see you in order to make a living, possibly in order to feed their children and keep from being homeless. Even educated people can make mistakes and end up in dire situations, You many not think so because we know you would all like to think it's also a "hobby" to us more often than not, that we don't "have" to do it, that somehow we like to most of the time.....however, that's not always the case. Maybe ladies say they have day jobs or do this on the side because they like to, but guess what - we know you don't want to think of this as something we have to do to survive so we say things we know you want to hear. Unfortunately for you, in many if not most, it is a huge percentage of a woman's income here if not all of it. She may never ask you for help and be gracious about spending extra time with you, but the moment you leave she has to figure out how to make that money last as long as possible because she doesn't know when she may get paid again probably.  

Needless to say....there seem to be quite a few guys on this board who would never get a provider if she didn't need the money to get by. I can't imagine that any woman who does her homework would choose to please some of you "out of hobby" after how you talk about providers and women in general...no matter how much money you have. And that's right, there are some of you out there who couldn't PAY me to go out with you even with no BCD time. I wouldn't have dinner with you for free or for money. Because you don't seem to have respect for the opposite sex at all. Even being in the same room with you and pretending to like you and be "on" all night is work..yes maybe it's just dinner, but being in your presence alone is work to me. Many of you are not the cups of tea you might believe you are.  

I don't mean to sound terribly mean but I'm so tired of hearing people be so disrespectful of providers every time I look at this board. There women are trying to make it in this world by doing a service for you. I don't know where anyone gets the idea that women talk about men like this on "providers only" boards, but nothing even close to that happens. Even in back-channels, we are very respectful and don't give out personal information or preferences on anyone, unless they are dangerous. Sadly for you guys, most of us are classy enough not to insult you all the time and nit pick you to death. I'm sorry if when such and such girl went totally broke and had a kid that she wasn't perfect for you at that moment as a provider. Yeah, she should use the few bucks she saved from rent to get a gym membership to make sure you're turned on properly instead of trying to make a slightly better life for herself and get back on her feet. Come on.  

Please don't forget how spoiled some of you are and realize that this is someones living. When you don't show up to a meeting, I don't run around telling everyone and try to shut your business down.
The reason providers exist is because of a need based on men.....not because we're so in love with pleasing all of you that we just can't help but do this in our free time.  

Not to mention, women who participate in this are forever altering perceptions they may have had about men, relationships, family and many other things. It's nowhere near an easy gig even if some people who have never been close to this position seem to think so. We take incredible risk and sacrifice to participate in this for various and personal reasons. And no, I don't mean LE, I mean our lives (most women who are killed violently have historically been prostitutes) as well as our reputations, personal relationships and sometimes much more. You are not in the same boat as us and you don't have the same amount to lose, no one is going to possibly bash you over the head in a hotel room and drill a hole in your head. (Jefferey Dalhmer reference - although he murdered homosexual male prostitutes).  

Sure maybe no one will read this, but I just had to put it out there. I apologize in advance for anyone who may take it far too personally.

sexystephie See my TER Reviews 744 reads
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2 / 56

This was empathetic amd well written.  You gave a heartfelt and truthful portrayal of this "hobby".

Yes I know for a lot this is all about fun but for many it is about surviving.  I know men seeking the company of providers are looking for a fantasy..  But some are just looking for an honest good time.  I am nobodies fantasy. I am not high dollar enough for me to be that for you.    

I am older and tho I think I am one sexy bitch, the reality is that I cant compete with the young ones. Not because I wont show you an equally  good time but because I dont want to deal with the bs of asking for what I am worth.  You're too old.  You are fat. etc.... So I ask for a reasonable amount and I give the guy a good time.  

So in reality you get what you pay for can be true.  Tho I am priceless in my genuine attempt to make you happy.  If I was being paid double or triple the amount then I would have no worries and could be just about being your fantasy. But the fact that I dont charge alot doesnt mean I see alot more people. It just means I am broke more often than not and that when you guys nit pick on things you are hurting us.    

I can understand if the gal misrepresents herself.  I dont believe I do.  And too many men would rather have a good actress than a good f**k and hand out 10s like they were kleenex.  How is it even believable to you all that a gal can be every ones 10.  If she is, then she should be in Hollywood.   Because in reality even if she is doing this for fun, some of you just arent that fun

ROGM 901 reads
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3 / 56

I ain't no Gem. I agree. Women won't give me a second look. I'm in this Hobby, for a lack of a better description, is because this is my last Resort on meeting Women. I never have or will Disrespect any Woman I've seen in this Business. I Thank you Women that are in this Business. The Girl I'm seeing is in this Business for Survival. She has no other income other than this. She's so Adorable and Sweet that at times I've helped pay her Bills without a Session. So not all Guys Treat Women as Badly as you've described. There are some of us that Respect and even help these Women out when they need it without Demanding Sex from them.

EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 775 reads
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4 / 56

Posted By: ROGM
I ain't no Gem. I agree. Women won't give me a second look. I'm in this Hobby, for a lack of a better description, is because this is my last Resort on meeting Women. I never have or will Disrespect any Woman I've seen in this Business. I Thank you Women that are in this Business. The Girl I'm seeing is in this Business for Survival. She has no other income other than this. She's so Adorable and Sweet that at times I've helped pay her Bills without a Session. So not all Guys Treat Women as Badly as you've described. There are some of us that Respect and even help these Women out when they need it without Demanding Sex from them.
Oh don't worry, I certainly don't feel that way about the majority of men I have met in the hobby. But then again, I do my homework. If I read a review where someone talked like some of these dudes, there's no way I would see them. Most of the gents I've met have been wonderful and the very reason I am able to continue along this adventurous line. If you are as you say you are, that message was not for you, don't worry. It was for the group of men who seem to frequent this board so often giving it a negative vibe.  
Most of the women they complain about will never look at a board such as this or any review board. They're busy swindling people apparently. But no BP girl really has any interest in reading a hobby board. That's why this one always turns out to be an odd mix of lower volume high end ladies with mis-matched clients who shop on the lower end more often than not and just like to make people feel like crap.  

Don't fret, I'm well aware and quite happy that there are many men who are nothing like the ones I described. But then again, I would never have to remind those men to keep things in check because they would never speak about women in the way these others do, not to mention they simply don't have time to hang around on boards, they have jobs and lives. lol. I actually generally prefer lurkers or men who don't look at these things at all.

2jaded 47 Reviews 1051 reads
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5 / 56

I understand that some guys are assholes.  That is a fact of life in and out of this hobby.  That doesn't make all of you ladies angels in comparison, just like outside of this hobby.

Ultimately this site's primary purpose is for us to exchange information, not promote your business.  There are PLENTY of other avenues for that.  This is The Erotic REVIEW, not The Erotic Adboard or The Erotic Social Club.

We're tired of review score inflation.  We are tired of dishonest pics and advertising.  We are tired of being blackmailed and harassed for giving honest reviews.  

You ladies have your own back channel and blacklist sites.  This one is ours.  We know how to screen out one off vindictive reviews that are mean and disparaging.  Please get over it already.

I await the flaming replies and hen-pecking, but I assure you I am far from the only good looking, socially successful guy here who feels this way.

-- Modified on 10/15/2013 1:25:35 AM

808transplant 45 Reviews 847 reads
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6 / 56

OK, I read through your rant and you did not explain nothing new. Girls doing this to make a living feed their kids and the risks they run. Well, here are some of the risks we run:

1) We have just as high a risk of getting arrested.  

2) For many of us getting arrested for solicitation means we lose our Job and/or our wife and wind up doing a menial labor job like washing dishes and paying alimony the rest of our lives. If it has not occurred to you that divorce court usually favors the woman regardless of how frigid, psycho or wrong she is.  

3) We run just as many risks of getting robbed and murdered. There have been plenty of documented cases of women setting up unsuspecting guys into a trap she has planned with her pimp, BF or other accomplices.

4) We run just as many risks of getting an STD via cunnilingus, analingus and condom slippage or breaking. Heck, one time my ATF told me that she had a fever and sore throat well into our session. I eventually forgave her but never returned to see her for giving me Strep Throat.

5) We give up lots of our personal info. There are some agencies that want last 4 of the Social Security. References are only a fraction of the screening.  

6) This is a very expensive hobby. I for one need to get laid and although I dont consider myself ugly, its been years since I got a phone number or some random hottie just came up to start talking to me. So $400-$500 that goes towards hobbying evey week does take a toll. In a way you should be a little more appreciative that we chose you instead of wasting the $$$$$ at the stripjoints, casinos or asian massage parlors.

I apologize on behalf of those clients who don't know how to behave. However, please  don't judge us by our bad apples. We are all individuals here and should be treated as such. More importantly I for one appreciate what you girls do and genuinely LOVE each and every woman who has shared something so sacred such as her body with me paid or not.

 
Mahalo,
80

anonymousfun 6 Reviews 1199 reads
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7 / 56

There is always two sides to the story.

ATLDAWG 1048 reads
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8 / 56

Wow !  Read all of this from start to finish and I need a nap !!!

londonheather 1017 reads
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9 / 56

Baby it's not providers it's in all walks of life, men today just see women as a piece of meat to get them off, it's all down to things like music vids and rap where the woman is an object only to be used for sex. I keep telling guys who ask you to get into a relationship if they have paid to see, you. honey why would I want to be with a guy who first met me having sex with me. I want to meet a guy who likes me as a person and then you have sex with them. Of course I blame a lot of women too who believe a guys BS, the number of times I hear girlfriends taking so much BS from guys and I'm thinking honey he just wants to use you bec he's hard have you no fucking self respect. Me you have to work for it and if you can't be bothered then go take a running jump ps I don't care what a guy thinks about me or calls me in this biz for yes I am a hooker some days of the week and I don't care bec I  actually like myself xxx

preferbareback 1 Reviews 878 reads
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10 / 56

Estella:

Sorry, but it sounds like you have totally burned out in your chosen line of work. If at all possible, go do something else or at least take a long break. Does some of your attitude cause a lack of repeat clients?

My gripes are girls who deliberately blur their online images, not out of privacy concerns, but to hide what they really look like, wear excessive lingerie for the same reason, falsely describe themselves, use old photos and otherwise deceive potential clients about their true appearance, weight, tattoos, stretch marks and other issues. Packaging is important, as anyone who does marketing will tell you.

A hobbyist who pays $150 should expect a $150 provider. A hobbyist who pays $450 should expect exactly what was described and promised and nothing less. An analogy is reserving a BMW as a rental car and paying a BMW price. However, when you get to the rental car counter, all they have is a Volkswagen, though they are still charging the BMW price for it.  

By the way, how is Miss Havesham?

lungman 10 Reviews 750 reads
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11 / 56

So, what are you asking the men on here to do, that would make the hooker life so much better for you?

needacure 915 reads
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12 / 56

Miss Haversham is still cackling about all young men she ruined from attaining their dream SO.  

In the dusty draped room . I have seen a senior citizen provider's house which looked like that!

Dick-ens must have seen glimpses of the future

needacure 1069 reads
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13 / 56

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London Rayne See my TER Reviews 911 reads
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14 / 56

As someone who has never really had to take much shit from anyone, I do feel bad that some women have no choice but to put up with a ton of crap and for peanuts...Houston comes to mind. Some of the hardest working women in this industry are not the ones charging a ton of money or in the Top 100 (not that those don't work hard too) but it is what it is. A woman with 3 children and a dad that left them, is more deserving of the money than many others who go out and buy shoes.  

So I agree....there are men here who should thank their lucky stars even a hooker would fk them. They have no clue how to treat a provider, let alone any woman and I am shocked they do have a dumb ass wife at home who puts up with half of their shit. For the others, keep doing what you're doing guys...you get it!

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 1074 reads
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15 / 56

You're one of the idiots she described, and I don't have to sugar coat shit. Her so called attitude is not a result of "burn out" in general, but a burn out on DIPSHITS! Get it now? Don't sit here and tell me you or anyone you know does not have one single complaint about their job, because I will call you a liar to your face. Why is it every time a hooker expresses the least amount of discontent with her job or the idiots in it, she should find another line of work? How about you find another line of work? Yea, don't worry about your bills and whatever else...just up and quit the next time a customer does not kiss your ass.  

She was mainly talking about guys on the board who show lack of respect in their posts...I can't say what her dates are like, as I don't know. I can tell you that for myself, getting rid of the bottom feeding crowd was the best choice I have ever made, and I have zero complaints about the men I see now, which are limited to less than 3 a damn month.

The OP was talking about the fact that not all women have the luxury to charge what they want, work when they want, and see who they want. Many of them have no choice but to put up with assholes, because they need your money.

lungman 10 Reviews 676 reads
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16 / 56

LMAO.
Dude, you ruffled the wrong feathers.

skarphedin 1096 reads
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17 / 56

and posting like you do and the OP did. What do you think would happen? Do you think everyone would be sympathetic? Or do you think they'd come down on you like a ton of bricks?  

I know, you don't give a shit what anyone thinks. I know you're a bitch. Etc Etc  

I get it, I like your style too. But c'mon now.  

The guys around here are waaaaaaay easier than they could be and you know why that is.

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 1060 reads
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18 / 56

Your comparison of providers to cars kind of makes the OP's point even more relevant.  We are not objects built and designed in factories, we are human beings.  As London said just because the OP wrote of discontent with this job doesn't mean she's burned out and should take a break.  Even if she was its how she pays her bills so "taking a break" isn't really an option.  If you are burned out from your job can you take a break whenever you want?

random133 117 Reviews 1017 reads
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19 / 56

This thread is breaking down along familiar lines. A lady is feeling the stress and unfairness of her situation and some anger at the men she believes make it even harder for her. Some hobbyists respond that basically life isn't fair, we all eat shit from time to time and moreover we aren't the ones you're complaining about. It's unfortunate when these things become a battle of the sexes.  I've had some shitty jobs along the way but none of them involved P4P so I can't completely empathize with OP. And the fact that most men in the hobby treat women with respect doesn't change the reality of OP's situation and the hurt she feels.  Misery is not relative.

On the other hand  if as a hobbyist I am lumped together with a bunch of men who are disrespectful and told that,  in essence I am a loser because I have to P4P is that likely to make me happy or resentful?   If I'm told that the risks are all on one side of the ledger when I know they're not,  is that more likely to make me sympathetic or less so?  And yes,  if I don't know where the "lines" are drawn (can I say fat or old or tall or short or unattractive or zaftig or scarred or whatever in my reviews?  Are the existing TER guidelines in need of revision?) then how do I file a review that fulflls the purpose of this board's existence?  

Many of us recognize the basic fundamental risk of hurt that comes with making the most personal judgments about another human being.  I can assure you it's no fun for guys either--I don't look like George Clooney, I don't have a 10" dick and I am not a millionaire;  I have been reminded of those facts in ways both mild and cruel. That's life.  So if we can all try to treat each other with a little dignity and respect I'm all for it. But even for those of us with the best of intentions sometimes the judgment will seem harsh and the choice of words inartful ; as for the intentionally hurtful those people (male and female) will always be there--yin and yang. I guess we all just have to try to figure out a way to make peace  with that.  This curious recreation is an odd one requiring subtlety and care that is sometimes not that easy given the mixing of commerce and carnality. I for one intend to keep practicing until I get it right.

EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 948 reads
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20 / 56

Posted By: 808transplant
OK, I read through your rant and you did not explain nothing new. Girls doing this to make a living feed their kids and the risks they run. Well, here are some of the risks we run:  
   
 1) We have just as high a risk of getting arrested.  
   
 2) For many of us getting arrested for solicitation means we lose our Job and/or our wife and wind up doing a menial labor job like washing dishes and paying alimony the rest of our lives. If it has not occurred to you that divorce court usually favors the woman regardless of how frigid, psycho or wrong she is.  
   
 3) We run just as many risks of getting robbed and murdered. There have been plenty of documented cases of women setting up unsuspecting guys into a trap she has planned with her pimp, BF or other accomplices.  
   
 4) We run just as many risks of getting an STD via cunnilingus, analingus and condom slippage or breaking. Heck, one time my ATF told me that she had a fever and sore throat well into our session. I eventually forgave her but never returned to see her for giving me Strep Throat.  
   
 5) We give up lots of our personal info. There are some agencies that want last 4 of the Social Security. References are only a fraction of the screening.  
   
 6) This is a very expensive hobby. I for one need to get laid and although I dont consider myself ugly, its been years since I got a phone number or some random hottie just came up to start talking to me. So $400-$500 that goes towards hobbying evey week does take a toll. In a way you should be a little more appreciative that we chose you instead of wasting the $$$$$ at the stripjoints, casinos or asian massage parlors.  
   
 I apologize on behalf of those clients who don't know how to behave. However, please  don't judge us by our bad apples. We are all individuals here and should be treated as such. More importantly I for one appreciate what you girls do and genuinely LOVE each and every woman who has shared something so sacred such as her body with me paid or not.  
   
   
 Mahalo,  
 808  
   
 
As I said in my OP, that wasn't a rant for everyone, only those who routinely seem to think it's okay to talk about others like non-human objects. You, MR 808, are not one of those, so you needn't be offended ;)

As for the others:
Don't worry, I fully anticipated many of you silly men out there saying "oh she's burned out from all our crap.." Come on, I love my life, but I'm lucky. I can be selective and I don't have to take just anyone who offers, but there are some women who do out there, and are very good at hiding the chaos you leave behind them. All I ask is that you show a little tact and maybe keep to your back-channels with all the negativity and nit-picking. Or perhaps not even that since it seems too much for you. Maybe just considering being a little nicer is all you can handle today.  
After-all, you are showing an example to possibly numerous younger men who may be reading these things because they have no social life and determining how to treat women from it. Of course that's not a smart thing to do, but the world if full of instances where people don't do that "smart" thing.

EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 925 reads
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21 / 56

Posted By: londonheather
Baby it's not providers it's in all walks of life, men today just see women as a piece of meat to get them off, it's all down to things like music vids and rap where the woman is an object only to be used for sex. I keep telling guys who ask you to get into a relationship if they have paid to see, you. honey why would I want to be with a guy who first met me having sex with me. I want to meet a guy who likes me as a person and then you have sex with them. Of course I blame a lot of women too who believe a guys BS, the number of times I hear girlfriends taking so much BS from guys and I'm thinking honey he just wants to use you bec he's hard have you no fucking self respect. Me you have to work for it and if you can't be bothered then go take a running jump ps I don't care what a guy thinks about me or calls me in this biz for yes I am a hooker some days of the week and I don't care bec I  actually like myself xxx
Well Heather, I think I like you too. ;)

EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 730 reads
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22 / 56

Posted By: preferbareback
Estella:  
   
 Sorry, but it sounds like you have totally burned out in your chosen line of work. If at all possible, go do something else or at least take a long break. Does some of your attitude cause a lack of repeat clients?  
   
 My gripes are girls who deliberately blur their online images, not out of privacy concerns, but to hide what they really look like, wear excessive lingerie for the same reason, falsely describe themselves, use old photos and otherwise deceive potential clients about their true appearance, weight, tattoos, stretch marks and other issues. Packaging is important, as anyone who does marketing will tell you.  
   
 A hobbyist who pays $150 should expect a $150 provider. A hobbyist who pays $450 should expect exactly what was described and promised and nothing less. An analogy is reserving a BMW as a rental car and paying a BMW price. However, when you get to the rental car counter, all they have is a Volkswagen, though they are still charging the BMW price for it.  
   
 By the way, how is Miss Havesham?
She's dead, lol.  
I get that you have gripes and that's fine. But assuming that all of us run around insulting you guys like some do here is totally not true. We are way more respectful and discretionary than some of you are. I have no problem with repeat clientele, but that is neither here nor there. My point was just a reminder that these are humans your talking about, and you have no idea how much of a "non-hobby" is for some, it shouldn't be taken so lightly.  
Honestly, you are lucky how easy this process is for you now, back in the day....you'd never get what you hoped for and your money would always be gone. Please have a little respect for those who take time and are not part of the low-end ladies you apparently frequent which cause all these problems. Sure the hobby is expensive, but your income and survival does not depend on it.  If you don't want to spend the money..don't.

EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 906 reads
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23 / 56

Posted By: London Rayne
As someone who has never really had to take much shit from anyone, I do feel bad that some women have no choice but to put up with a ton of crap and for peanuts...Houston comes to mind. Some of the hardest working women in this industry are not the ones charging a ton of money or in the Top 100 (not that those don't work hard too) but it is what it is. A woman with 3 children and a dad that left them, is more deserving of the money than many others who go out and buy shoes.  
   
 So I agree....there are men here who should thank their lucky stars even a hooker would fk them. They have no clue how to treat a provider, let alone any woman and I am shocked they do have a dumb ass wife at home who puts up with half of their shit. For the others, keep doing what you're doing guys...you get it!
Thanks London, my feelings exactly. I remember where I came from and certainly think that it's helped me stay centered and grounded throughout this little endeavor.

EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 767 reads
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24 / 56

Just to clarify, it's not my hurt. I was standing up for those who would be far to afraid to say anything to a group of men such as yourselves. I don't have to be in the same situation as them, but I know it exists.  
Very well said, your post reminds we why I didn't want to say anything initially, because there are men out there like you who don't fit into the category I was speaking of. Please don't take offense, I certainly was only trying to remind us all, like you, to be a little more sensitive.  

Posted By: phunhog
This thread is breaking down along familiar lines. A lady is feeling the stress and unfairness of her situation and some anger at the men she believes make it even harder for her. Some hobbyists respond that basically life isn't fair, we all eat shit from time to time and moreover we aren't the ones you're complaining about. It's unfortunate when these things become a battle of the sexes.  I've had some shitty jobs along the way but none of them involved P4P so I can't completely empathize with OP. And the fact that most men in the hobby treat women with respect doesn't change the reality of OP's situation and the hurt she feels.  Misery is not relative.  
   
 On the other hand  if as a hobbyist I am lumped together with a bunch of men who are disrespectful and told that,  in essence I am a loser because I have to P4P is that likely to make me happy or resentful?   If I'm told that the risks are all on one side of the ledger when I know they're not,  is that more likely to make me sympathetic or less so?  And yes,  if I don't know where the "lines" are drawn (can I say fat or old or tall or short or unattractive or zaftig or scarred or whatever in my reviews?  Are the existing TER guidelines in need of revision?) then how do I file a review that fulflls the purpose of this board's existence?  
   
 Many of us recognize the basic fundamental risk of hurt that comes with making the most personal judgments about another human being.  I can assure you it's no fun for guys either--I don't look like George Clooney, I don't have a 10" dick and I am not a millionaire;  I have been reminded of those facts in ways both mild and cruel. That's life.  So if we can all try to treat each other with a little dignity and respect I'm all for it. But even for those of us with the best of intentions sometimes the judgment will seem harsh and the choice of words inartful ; as for the intentionally hurtful those people (male and female) will always be there--yin and yang. I guess we all just have to try to figure out a way to make peace  with that.  This curious recreation is an odd one requiring subtlety and care that is sometimes not that easy given the mixing of commerce and carnality. I for one intend to keep practicing until I get it right.

EstellaAyrs See my TER Reviews 1051 reads
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25 / 56

Posted By: breannabreeze
Your comparison of providers to cars kind of makes the OP's point even more relevant.  We are not objects built and designed in factories, we are human beings.  As London said just because the OP wrote of discontent with this job doesn't mean she's burned out and should take a break.  Even if she was its how she pays her bills so "taking a break" isn't really an option.  If you are burned out from your job can you take a break whenever you want?  
Thank you so very much. You are a breath of fresh air. And I know men always want to "fix a problem"...but sometimes you just need to get it out. That's why this is a discussion board. I needed to "discuss" it. ;)

My dates are gems and I would never trade them for anything. However, I like others, have a luxury of knowing how to screen and weed bad dates out. If I was super desperate like someone just starting in this business, I would certainly feel different and maybe it would make me feel a little bit better if I saw that someone else understands what I might be going through. I mean remember, people usually get to choose what they do for a living like being a doctor or lawyer, if you have the skills. This is typically no girls dream and nothing she ever thinks she'll do if asked many years prior.  
Many of these girls didn't choose this out of fantasy or curiosity, they do it because it's the only thing left and they feel trapped. How many doctors and lawyers do it because it's all they can do to survive?  
Even if I am not one of those women, I still can feel for them and reminding myself they exists isn't the worst thing in the world. Perspective is nice.

random133 117 Reviews 817 reads
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26 / 56

I agree it feels like many of us are getting painted with one big brush. The reality is that this is in part a  beauty contest and feelings will occasionally get hurt.  Some days you eat the bear; some days the bear eats you.  Doesn't mean I want to outlaw camping or quit hiking in the forest.

-- Modified on 10/15/2013 8:27:10 AM

random133 117 Reviews 594 reads
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Last Friday I had the pleasure of the company of two gorgeous women who engaged in the most wicked debauchery we could think of. And I shared with a fellow hobbyist how great it is to meet such wonderful women who will do such naughty things with us in exchange for pieces of paper.  But I try real hard not to tell other humans how "lucky" they are for anything.  For one thing it sounds bitter and resentful,  as if the other person doesn't deserve it or didn't earn it.  For another it ignores the fact that that person probably worked pretty fucking hard to earn what they got, sort of like we men work hard for the money we spend on the hobby.  

Also I'm not going to appoint myself arbiter of who deserves what in this world.  Everyone has compelling stories--Single Mother of 3 I'd like you to meet coal miner with first stage black lung disease.  Yeah sometimes life demands you take a hearty bite out of a shit sandwich; and often times it's hard to know who made the sandwich and put it on the plate. But while I'm munching on my Turds on Rye I'm going to refrain from telling others how "lucky" they are to be getting roast beef on wheat and how undeserving they really are.  For all I know the person I'm saying that to has been eating an excrement smorgasbord for most of their lives and are just trying to enjoy their non-shit meal in peace and happiness.

keystonekid 114 Reviews 832 reads
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some did not because they had to ask what she meant or what her bitch was, etc.

If I'm not mistaken, the OP was saying that some (not all as some of you guys implied) guys to not respect providers for the women they are. Plain and simple--RESPECT. This includes what you write on these boards, how you respond to ads by email, phone, or text, what you say when you are in a lady's pressence, and much more.

I too am thankful for the wonderful ladies who I have spent time with. If a guy does his research and spends a buck to get VIP, he should be seeing the ladies of his dreams. Otherwise, go to your local street corner and take your chances. We have it soooo much better now than in the pre-internet times. Trust me, I've been there.

Now, lets all go and get laid.

random133 117 Reviews 910 reads
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Is that they do quickly come off as blunderbuss types of rants. First you might ask yourself:  Are the mean, hurtful and disrespectful guys even going to read this? If they do will they care?  We've all met those guys and introspection is not their strong suit. Nor are they likely to be swayed by a cri du coeur.    

Next,  if this message is posted on a "general"  board and makes disparaging statements about guys who are such losers they HAVE to P4P then isn't it almost inevitable you'll get a defensive response?   We're dealing with human nature here. If someone in a bar kicks me in the shin and in response I start swinging my fists in every direction I may not INTEND to hit anyone other than my assailant but a few other people in the bar are likely to take offense at my knuckles.

GaGambler 776 reads
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is that you've missed the fact that the biggest board assholes are the most likely to actually be there in real life for the women here, and that the suckups and manginas who constantly kiss ass here, like the Dungbeetle for example, are the most likely to be stalkers or worse in real life.

Please don't confuse men standing up for themselves and not buying into every sob story put out there by some manipulative hooker as the guys who are actually disrespecting women. In real life you will find the opposite is often true.

preferbareback 1 Reviews 756 reads
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Well, at least you don't have any strong feelings about this topic.

Hobbyists get "burned out" too. Can you imagine paying a grand for the "privilege" of hooking up with a bleached blonde bimbo, past her prime, with disgustingly large store bought boobs, a bit of a pot belly, a loud mouth and an attitude?  Now that would burn anyone out on this 'hobby"!!!

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 1028 reads
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I have 10 pages of reviews that say I am just fine...not perfect mind you, but certainly smart enough to have avoided most of the dipshits the OP is describing lol.  Thanks for playing though. Always nice to see you idiots come out of the woodwork on threads like this. Other times, you're too busy bitching about that 100 dollar piece of ass that did not give you 2 pops. Then, the fallacy play starts when you can't counter an argument with anything valid, and we get the "you're old, fat, dumb" remarks. Gee, how original lol. Well, I am smart enough to avoid seeing dumb asses like YOU ha ha ha ha. So, call me and all the other providers what you wish, but you certainly can't call me stupid. If you only knew ha ha ha.  

Don't know which bleached blondes with fake tits you're seeing honey, but mine are real...for now. You can always stick to backpage or just jack off. No one is forcing you to pay anyone. Duh....

-- Modified on 10/15/2013 3:48:52 PM

preferbareback 1 Reviews 956 reads
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Did my description hit too close to home, my dear?

Your 10 pages of reviews just means that you are actively peddling your ass to anyone who will give you a gift card to Walmart. With an attitude like yours, you're lucky that you're not giving $20 blowjobs to street johns in parked cars. Or are you?

Displaying your attitude for all to see is a brilliant marketing technique. Just brilliant!

Perhaps you should consider taking an anger management class. It could be part of your probation if one of those johns turns out to be an LEO.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 547 reads
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10 pages of reviews that took SIX YEARS to get bwahahaha. Thanks for pointing out how low volume I am, as if there was ever any doubt.  

I have 10,000 posts on TER...kind of hard to be "peddling my ass to anyone who will let me" eh, dipshit? Again, guys like YOU are what make this job miserable for so many women who actually have to kiss your ass for the money. Guess what...I don't bwahahhaa. I can do 1 or 2 calls a MONTH and be set honey, but thanks for the tips on marketing. Might try that on your own business sometime. Did you ever think my so called attitude is what attracts the very guys I want to see? WOW! You're a fkin genius! I would have never guessed that telling off dumb losers like you on a fk board could win me so much business ha ha ha.  

Once again, you prove why women avoid certain johns...like the plague. My attitude offends you, which means you are too much of a pansy ass to even take money from. I would rather have a guy slap me around than deal with an insecure mouse who has to insult women's looks because he is too fkin uneducated to counter with anything else. That's about as weak as me saying you have a small d(ck.  

Do you see ME starting threads about the men I see, and bitching about them? That would be a NO, because I don't have to see you fkin idiots. I screen the men I see long before I meet them...I even screen them for website access LMAO! Get a clue. This is one hooker you and your comments will never affect honey, because everyone on this board and in hooker land knows I am a bitch bwahahaha. Now, what were you saying about brilliant marketing? Sure is!!! Not many as you say, over the hill hookers can tell a guy to get fked and still get him to pay her. That's talent, punk.  



-- Modified on 10/15/2013 4:32:01 PM

hammerhead896 56 Reviews 955 reads
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I do not want to assume anything and do not think all that highly of myself as either a hobbyist or poster on this board but I get the feeling that by expressing my views on what is merely a term and the fact that I may not like its connotation has possibly started this rather negative thread which at least is getting some peoples feelings out here.
I am not about to say this because I am trying to kiss ass or make up for anything but it was not my intention to have either distressed, offended or demean anyone on this board provider or otherwise and if I did so I am offering a sincere apology.
What I was really trying to say is that I believe that everyone,no matter what walk of life we are in should always strive to do our best and is all I ask from anyone provider or not. How that gets construed by myself or any other guy as being a user so to speak or possibly a abuser of women again provider or not well I just do not get it and would say that that is coming from your messed up minds not ours. I do not believe a term such as YMMV should be used as excuse by some to offer poor performance which is not the same as saying I believe or even want women to be like robots or perceive them as a piece of meat. If when I have the pleasure of meeting a quality lady and as long as of course I do not show up as a drunken,filthy asshole then why is it so unreasonable for me to expect her to simply give me the best she has and if after that I do not appreciate it then that is my problem not hers.

preferbareback 1 Reviews 955 reads
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Your attitude and language reflects either a lack of breeding, a lack of education or a mental illness. Perhaps all three.

Destin, FL is certainly one of the world's hotspots. The Redneck Riviera is the usual description, isn't it? If so, you fit right in. Do you have to drive all the way to Pensacola Beach to go to your Walmart or do you have one in Destin? Destin was lucky this year regarding hurricanes, but when a storm comes, do you have to vacate your mobile home?

If you have ten pages of reviews, try the pharmacy at Walmart to see if they have anything for the calluses on your crotch. While you're at it, please get refills for your prescriptions of Ritalin, Lithium, Abilify, Xanax and Zovirax. Especially the Zovirax. And please don't miss any more appointments with your mental health provider. In fact, you might consider upping the frequency of the appointments.

It has been fun sparring with you, but in reality, based on your language and content, I feel sorry for you. It is my sincere hope that your life improves to the point where you are not such an angry person anymore. I truly mean that.

lungman 10 Reviews 819 reads
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Hey, London's Tits are not "Store Bought"....LOL

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 969 reads
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Kind of hard to spar with an unarmed opponent, dumb ass. In case you have not noticed, this is a fk board, so I don't feel the need to do the usual ass kissing and brilliant articulation for guys I would not even let pay me to spit on...that's directed at you, just in case you missed that again lol. Try getting more creative at your insults. They are boring...just like your personality, which is why you have only one review.

Oh and BTW, brush up on your geography...it's PCB that is the Redneck city, not Destin, How did you know I was in Destin when my TER profile says Jacksonville and you can't access my website? Oh, you went look at my P411 bwahhahaa. Gee, if I am soooooo insignificant, why would you take the TIME to read my bio, look at my photos, and my rates? Check Mate...dumb ass, you lose again. Back to your bridge troll. If anyone has sores, it's you "preferbareback." Yah, I bet you do bwahahaha. Go refill your valtrex.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 907 reads
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Just another shit kicking troll behind a keyboard with no one to pay attention to him. Gosh, how tiring. After a month of vacation, I get to come back to this? You boys need to do a better job when I am gone lol. Funny, how this clown/troll never posted a damn word until this thread? To top it off, his username is "preferbareback" and he is touting off about other people's mental and sexual health? Idiots never cease to amaze me.

lungman 10 Reviews 809 reads
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Me a "stalker"........say it ain't so.
Worse in "real life"...now that's true!!

lungman 10 Reviews 740 reads
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Glad you came back, we love the trainwrecks!
Most days around here...zzzzzzzzzzz!!
Why do you think I post so much stupid shit.....it keeps thing lively.

preferbareback 1 Reviews 812 reads
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Bwahahaha? That proves for sure you prepped at Andover and accepted an invitation from Yale because you were wait listed at Harvard College. Isn't that right? Did you like New Haven? I thought it was a freezing dump....

Did you work your way through Yale on your back?

lungman 10 Reviews 944 reads
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Just one thing pbb ( bareback guy )....to be honest with you, if you were to see London, I doubt you would be able to write review #2........she would wear your ass out. ( in a good way, but I doubt that's gonna happen now ) You lose!!

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 893 reads
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Sorry, but that mobile home you referenced is actually a beach front condo, and I have just gotten back from a six hour drive, anxious to watch the sun set. Enjoy the view of your Tundra. :)

lungman 10 Reviews 175 reads
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Don't tell her not to argue, she's good at it and it's entertaining.
Believe me, she doesn't need your help.

preferbareback 1 Reviews 152 reads
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No, John--The moral is never argue with a cheap whore. They drag you down to their level all the time.

preferbareback 1 Reviews 927 reads
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Your one photo shows a slightly overweight, bleached blonde with a pot belly and ridiculous store bought tits. You look like the caricature of a cheap whore.  

The male population in the Redneck Riviera must be hard up to pay you and your overused crotch for sex. I wouldn't think you could give it away.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 915 reads
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Damn, you still got nothing but insults on appearance? Yawn.  

You're an idiot, who can't win in a debate even with a hooker, which is why all you can do are use ad hominem attacks, which don't make a bit of difference ha ha ha. Every guy reading this can see the same pics as you, dummy! BTW, not all guys want a woman who looks like a 12 year old...that's just what old, pimp daddy wannabe men are attracted to, because it makes them feel like big men.  

My tits are REAL dumb ass, so I don't know what or who you are looking at! You got me on the belly though, and I could not give two shits about being anorexic. 120 lbs is overweight? Yah, um ok. You might have other girls crying over that bs, but not me. Just fine here, thanks.  If I bought my tits, they would not sag! How's that for honesty? Do you think I do not have a mirror, and don't know what I look like? I still rate higher in both looks and performance than the women you've seen, so I would be careful about what you say. You're too stupid to know you've just insulted the very women dumb enough to fk you, but there was afterall...an envelope bwahhahaaa.

I am going to go slit my wrists now because some cheap trick on TER called me old and fat...oh, whoa is me. I am sure my boss will fire me and my family will abandon me for those reasons alone. Psst, don't look now, but my reviews are not exactly 5s honey, so again, you look like a complete idiot. I know I am not all that by a long shot, but I don't have to be lol. Tell ya what...when you see me have to cut my rate in half and see losers like you, that is when I will know to start taking that list of meds you suggested. In the meantime, I think I will stick to seeing GENTLEMEN who don't have to pay for sex, but CAN. Be sure and tell those Top 100 girls with double and triple the amount of reviews I have, how worn out they are bwahahhaa.  



-- Modified on 10/15/2013 7:37:43 PM

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 177 reads
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Look, I am sorry you were fat and pimple faced in high school and all the hot girls rejected you, but hey...not my problem. I do not give two shits about what you or any other dumb ass thinks of "London Rayne" lol. She is nothing but a character that will soon be a memory of an escort.  

You're the one who took your FREE TIME to not only look at my photos, but to read my bio, and check my rates. Give it a rest, dummy. Your cards are showing and you've got nothing. You wanted to see who this hooker was that handed you your ass on TER, without giving two shits about it affecting her business ha ha ha ha. Um, what business? Only a dumb ass would post this way if she had no other income but the hobby, so figure it out genius.  

What do insecure guys do when they can't win a debate with a woman? Call her a whore, fat, old, used up, and so on. Yah, same thing you do with all of your ex girlfriends and wives after you catch them fkin the pool boy because you sucked so bad as a mate lol. Gosh, it is so played out, and the funny thing is some women are actually hurt by that shit. I mean they actually care about what some dumb trick like you thinks of them bwahahhaa. You can't touch my real life, my career, my family, or even my business here lol, and you damn well know it. Half the guys on this board have never intended on seeing me for money...they just have me around for kicks.  

Wipe your chin, p*ssy

lungman 10 Reviews 865 reads
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"Belly?" What belly? Looks pretty damn firm to me. Wish mine looked like that....LOL.

GaGambler 916 reads
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Please don't help.

You "helping" is kind of like having Udon't backing you up, she is much better off without you. Not that bareback is putting up much of a fight to begin with, he must have gone shopping for game at the same store as you and your buddy FIDIOT.

It is amusing watching a guy getting his ass handed to him by a "hooker" in a battle of wits, She blasts him for being cheap and stupid, and his only comeback is "You're fat" Yes, he is in the same class as you and FiDIOT.

Don't worry though, he is no threat to your SPOTY title, you have way too many stupid posts for him to ever come close.

lungman 10 Reviews 936 reads
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BecketMA 723 reads
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You missed it, right at the beginning she stated it was NOT about everyone.

So far, I haven't seen mention of any "hobbiest" in this "hobby" to support themselves let alone their children.

This is just like a cliche in an old black and white western movie where the knowledgeable, weather worn and trail tested cow-puncher tells the green-horn in a saloon "Belly up to the bar and name Your Poison

BecketMA 691 reads
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" Even educated people can make mistakes and end up in dire situations, You many not think so because we know you would all like to think it's also a "hobby" to us more often than not, that we don't "have" to do it, that somehow we like to most of the time."

It's inverse is also popular mythology "Poverty is due to being lazy."

For quite a while now the exact composition has been known. That when egg and sperm combine some how the new cell has a combination of genes in the correct places for a human being. Which genes it has is the result of a "Lottery".

An individual's DNA is the result of a genetic lottery. There are Lottery WINNERS!! There are Lottery LOSERS!!  

With identical gene pools The Lottery can create WINNER one time and LOSER!! the next.

In the USA individuals do NOT have equal access resources; Wealthiest individuals, families have the best access to the best resources.  the result is that given two Lottery WINNERS one with the easiest access to the best resources most likely attains better lifetime results than one with the worst access to the worst resources--NOTHING to do with determination, which can itself be the result of The Lottery.

Its a FACT, not mythology, one will encounter many people who will NEVER approve of your best efforts to do the very BEST with what you have gotten.  

Its a fact, not mythology, many will blame you for not being a Lottery WINNER!! " You chose your life."

"The mind is like a parachute--works best when open." Charlie Chan to his number two son.

The Lottery creates people with closed parachutes--no matter what you say, locked tight

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