Just a question,how many years or even decades before common sense sanity prevails and allow for at least some degree of conseual sex involving money be legal?Personally,I see it as a state-by-state thing where some areas of the US become fully legal,partially legal,decriminalized and still some areas where it remains a crime that you could go to jail for.30 yrs down the road I see this evolving in that way.
religious hats and put common sense hats....
Legalization of prostitution and marijuana can save states tons of money spent on prosecution and add tons of money in terms of revenue as federal govt and states can collect various taxes..
Canada, home of the free.
Outcall completely legal.
Not in a legal sense but more in a de facto sense. Now I am certainly not talking about SW, that's totally different. But high escorts who follow "the rules" re: verification, LE is very rarely a concern. Many large cities have had massive cut backs and vice tends to allocate its resources to under age/child traficking (which it should) and allocate less for the TER side of p4p. LE is looking for trouble makers essentially. As the younger generation fill posts left by older legislators, I think you will see a gradual shift over the next decade towards letting people who want to fk each other for $ do so as long as they keep it bcd.
Looking the other way, and decriminalization are not the same.
They are just not prosecuting because they are broke, and don't have as much money to spend in their budgets....
The recent emphases on human trafficking, is a perfect example.
C'MON!!! Everybody else is doing it!!!!!!!
I specifically said NOT in a legal sense. If you don't understand what those terms mean, look them up.
I didn't mention the word legalized.----
There could be some.
Virtually all of them. Again for the third time, I specifically said "not in a legal sense". Let me explain further since you are drinking or sick or something. It is NOT written in the law. Per larger, liberally run cities, word has spread to back off of high end prostitution. That doesn't mean we don't take the necessary steps to verify for there are elections and a good bust once in awhile makes a pol look good, I guess. Some of this is due to financial constraints and some of it is due to liberal mayors in big cities who bcd don't think it's that big a deal.
What do they matter?
Also given the fact that all major cities are rampant with crime. All major cities are Liberal, even the ones run by Conservatives.
I don't think there would be much difference in the actual percentage of busts from today's state of high end p4p than if the "crime" was truly decriminalized legally. In the high end world for ladies that screen properly I would hazard to guess her getting through any single session without getting busted would be 99.99% or higher. Lol. So, in effect, that is de facto decriminalization.
I don't see where your post adressed the OP of Legalization.
You said LE lookining the other way.
There is hope for you yet!
Official legalization might not be necessary, in the world of verification and screening LE is not usually an issue.
I am yet to hear of one high end lady having to deal with this.
Not as long as we have a judicial system.
The judicial system does not override the legislation process.
Legislation is not free, and as long as capitalism is king, prostitution will be ilegal.
Now I'm repeating myself.
I wonder if complete legalization would interfere legally with busting people who engage in child prostitution or human trafficking or if it would be used as an excuse to keep prostitution a crime.Might that be the big hurdle?
Adding to this,because there is a degree of sexism in society-"that if men do it,they're playboys..if women do it,they're whores"-that women who engage in this activity are looked at in a far more stigmatized way.So when it comes to prostitution,women are helpless victims or hopeless addicts,maybe even both.No wonder there are people out there that want to have this still be a crime.
Once more Women enter the institutions of power, the less likely prostitution will become legal.
I think women are split on this issue but most wouldn't think of prostitution as any form of advancement to equality.Those women who oppose prostitution look at the abuse that is suffered by women and men who get away with it,financially and otherwise.
but I am certain that I have read that many prominent feminists are severely, dead-set against prostitution... that they do not see it as empowering or liberating, but as demeaning and exploitive.
I could go look it up, but I don't feel like it
because "it is her body", but she's not allowed to sell her body for money.
A lot of the feminist groups are involved rescuing and rehabilitating prostitutes, not fostering their profession.
So called "feminists" are actually about control, rather than truly representing the rights of women. Should a woman break from the herd and- gasp- state in clear terms that she is a well adjusted, happy Provider who is not beaten and shamed on a regular basis, she'll be unilaterally ostracized, discredited, and then mocked as a woman who simply doesn't realize she's being exploited.
It's a reservation (feminism) and it has a clear set of leftist, power hungry rules that have little to do with the rights of women.
there is a belief that legalizing prostitution might inadvertently interfere with the crackdown on sex trafficking,feminists in general aren't going to warm up universally to the idea of legalizing prostitution back here in the U.S. Now some feminists take the position that legalizing it may do the opposite and decrease sex trafficking by taking the profit out of it but I don't think it's a raging majority out there.
If it were legalized,would the price of escorts go down much like drugs if they were legalized--according to libertarian theory?
How much of the rate charged by your escort goes to her keeping safe and staying out of the way of bust-happy LEOs and other such intrusion? Price depends both on the the Supply Curve and the Demand Curve, same as in any business. If more women entered the industry upon abatement of legal hassles, their rates would still depend on expenses. Hotels might give the ladies more breaks and flexibility were they not under pressure to 'clean up' their customer base. But preparation time, towels, soap, candles, all the elements of a quality experience, they will cost the same.
Interestingly, America prices for companionship are quite low in comparison to other developed countries where the practice is legal.
Australia is a great example, brothel costs in Sydney and Melbourne are a little over twice the price of a Washington DC courtesan.
America really does have a good system, as long as you play by the rules!
That's not libertarian theory. It makes too much sense to be labeled libertarian. It's called capitalism, friend.
legalization implies rules of doing so.
I have no problem with rules to a degree but they tend to go overboard.
Next thing you know there will be a lisence needed
Big money plus that is like having a scarlettletter.
No atter how legal or decriminalized it becomes that will not stop the world from judging one way or the other.
Along with lisences theres public records
Try moving on after that. not possable.
Decriminalization it just no longer is a crime and we dont need to worry about getting busted.
Letting big brother have power and control over my sex life is a pile of shit. Its no bodys business but mine.
thats just my .02
Legalization means regulation. Health department. Permits, licenses, excise taxes. Zoning laws. Certifications. Government standards. The Department of Weights and Measures.
On the other hand, maybe they would give out sex stamps. Hmmmmmmmmmm...
Nah, fuggedaboutit.
There are those who call BS on disclaimers. But if the terms of the session were exactly as most disclaimers are worded, everybody should be happy with the way business is transacted because the conditions of consent are all being met. If the lady can refuse a gent's desire for any reason, then there is no prostitution taking place, is there? Nor is the woman a victim, if she has total control over the acts performed and has not been financially coerced into anything.
It could be that way if the lawmakers were trying to protect women and not trying to limit their freedom of how to conduct business.
its our freedom to do what we choose with our bodies...
but if i were just a Slut, well they would mind their own business. they are upset i am profiting from this. they want control over my profitability.
actually they just want control imo
About forty years ago, I would have opined that the chances of any of these things becoming legal were nil - in fact I would have put the odds at legal P4P much higher than those three.
Yet they are all now legal or about to be so.
So, cheer up, you just never know.
The interesting queston is why those other three things are becoming mainstream, even as new laws to restrict P4P are becoming common.
(Maybe if Bill Clinton ran again?)
The primary causes of this particular reticence are most men are reluctant to admit that they approve of paying a woman for sex and most women strongly disapprove of prostitution because it presents them with readily available competition. There also is the fact that the U.S. is one of the most sexually repressed nations in the developed world.
As far as any chance of getting it legalized or at least decriminalized, be advised that politicians are acutely aware such a proposal would automatically cost them the womens' vote and make them the target of derogatory accusations from an army of pious, hypocritical masturbators.
once its legal. Part of the fun is the sneakin around and adrenaline and thrills of livin on the edge . i think if it became as ok as walkn into dunks for an ice coffee. We d find a plummet in sales ,. I think alot the guys feed off the fenzied pre appt texting back n forth and tryn to look casual whilst sashaying thru a upscale hotel lobby. I think maybe alot people with adhd probly enjoy it, i read some weird book after like twenty people family as well as friends all kept pressurin me to go visit the hallowell center and alot actually morethan one, sat me down to watch the movie on it. so any ways, It said in there 80 percent of convicted criminals have untreated adhd , and they actually concentrate BETTER when theres an adrenal rush in the brain. I have my little theories on akot of things in life. One is that most hard core escorts and hobbyist are also having adult adhd. and like bad. so they constantly are putting them seleves on situations where they can et a jolt of adrenaline and then , in turn focus and get more work done...................funny right? I totally beieve its true though, ...and i know i misspell but i am way to hyper to go back n re type, my apologies to all the spelling bee contestant winners from thier regional highscool who s pantied will be in a big bunch ater glancin at my posts. my apology in advance. xo muuuuah
If it were decriminalized it would be just as popular if not more so. Fear of arrest keeps many from playing.
ADHD has no place in explaining this business this is not a factor in who plays here
If you choose to use adhd. As your crutch that's yourissue that's not the general population.
PS
I have adhd and have children with it as well. So no I am not picking on you. Just stop using it as your scapegoat
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Scapegoat? She said it was her theory that people with adhd seek out "shady" activities to get the adrenaline rush. What scapegoat? And she clearly said it was a theory. She didn't state anything in absolute, as you did. She stated her opinion AS opinion, that decrim. would lower p4p activity because her theory is that people do it, in part, for the rush of being bad. You tell her that she is wrong because your OPINION is that people would be less scared to do it.
Both opinions. I happen to agree with both. Some would take up p4p because their fear of LE would be lessened. For others, the thrill would be lessened and they might do it less, or stop.
But your statement that "ADHD has NO place in explaining this business" and "stop using it as your scapegoat" are groundless and arguable opinion, NOT fact.
ya might wanna stop thinkin with your dick when you read her posts...
she is using adhd as a skapegoat. Did you read heer post at all.
She is not explaining a theory shes explaining her life with adhd
try to be objective.
no matter if you have adhd or not there are choices to make in life entering this business is not because of adhd you can surely do other things.
but whatever...
For one thing, you are two different, hot looking providers that live 600 miles away from me. I'm never going to see either one of you; so when I disagree with one of you, and agree with the other, how is it that I'm thinking with my dick? Or is it just your way to open a message with an insult when someone disagrees with you? In fact, since you are in competition with her in the Boston area, would it be fair to say that you are thinking with your cunt?
For another thing, since you accuse me of not reading, let's take it step by step:
"Part of the fun is the sneakin around and adrenaline and thrills of livin on the edge . i think if it became as ok as walkn into dunks for an ice coffee. We d find a plummet in sales ,. I think alot the guys feed off the fenzied pre appt texting back n forth and tryn to look casual whilst sashaying thru a upscale hotel lobby."
- Her opinion, several times punctuated by "I think" -
"If it were decriminalized it would be just as popular if not more so. Fear of arrest keeps many from playing."
- Your opinion. You didn't feel it was necessary to add the "I think"
"I think maybe alot people with adhd probly enjoy it, i read some weird book after like twenty people family as well as friends all kept pressurin me to go visit the hallowell center and alot actually morethan one, sat me down to watch the movie on it. so any ways, It said in there 80 percent of convicted criminals have untreated adhd , and they actually concentrate BETTER when theres an adrenal rush in the brain. I have my little theories on akot of things in life. One is that most hard core escorts and hobbyist are also having adult adhd. and like bad. so they constantly are putting them seleves on situations where they can et a jolt of adrenaline and then , in turn focus and get more work done...................funny right?"
- again, "I think". "maybe" a lot of people with adhd enjoy it" She says she read some books on the subject, watched a movie at the Hallowell Center on the subject. She says she has her little theories.
"funny, right?"
Since you've read this piece so carefully, and don't have a penis to interfere with your thought process, why don't you show me the passage that indicates that she's using adhd as a crutch to justify why she has entered the escort business?
And while you are reading, why don't you check out this piece on the relationship between adhd and sexual behavior (there are many if you feel like googling, I just picked one that was short and to the point. It doesn't PROVE a thing, but it certainly calls into question your blanket statement that "ADHD has no place in explaining this business this is not a factor in who plays here".
i sell time with me, its all individual.
she and I are very different and to disagree with someone, well this is a discussion board after all.
she was talking about her life and projecting nuff said im not gonna go round with you on this again. Its just not productive.
I see it one way you see it another its a done deal.
I would never work in this industry if I had the govt. telling me who I had to fk, and putting a ceiling on what I could charge. I will go back to a pay check with benefits, before I ever let another person dictate to me what I will do with my body. The only thing I am for is decriminalization, not legalization as I see no criminal aspect in this. People have affairs and swingers parties all the time, and no one blinks an eye...why does money make it any more criminal?