I ask why?
Why does it bother some clients if a provider only offers an hour of her time for the hour he pays?
Why does it bother him if a lady does not open the door until the time the meeting is scheduled to start? (If the meeting is at 5:00pm, I make it clear to all new friends that they cannot come up until 5:00pm, not 4:59pm...and I was never criticized for that until today).
Why is there the entitlement that some hobbyist feel?
The only guys who ever get extra time are my regulars. If we go over a half hour, I could care less because I have developed a relationship with them. However, I will not go over a half hour for free with a new client...and I believe in YMMV all the way! (there are some clients who I would prefer to move on their way when the hour is up...and you would feel the same way if you were not attracted to them...get real). Why even consider that as a new client or EXPECT it? Why question whether or not a lady will let you in the door early? Or if she will stay late for FREE?
Seriously, why the entitlement by some? I am only entitled to give a hour of my time if that is what I am paid for. And, if you get a DISCOUNTED rate at that, be certain I will not go over for you.
Why?
Cz some guys are dick wads LOL. Saw a post recently where a girl argued that when she offered a bbbj only special at half of her rate that is all it was. She said if you ocme over and only bring 200 for a bj but then wanna do gfe it is a no go. Her normal rate for multi bell gfe was 350-400 range and she cut that in half for guys who let's face it, just want a damn bj sometimes. I thought it was a good idea but all the bottom feeders came out of the woodwork saying how she had an attitude and that they would pass. wtf what attitude. She clearly stated you get this for this. Never said she did not offer msog gfe just not at a 200 rate. guys will always bitch about something dear so don't worry about it. If you are not rushing them out the door before the hour is up,. you are doing your damn job.
Oh did you read that "newbie" post of the guy who wanted to book hh but sponge an hour?
1 hour is 60 minutes, hh is 30 minutes (not that I do hh but for regulars) As long as the client gets what he paid for then anything more is on the provider. I do give more for regulars, yes. But actively ripping my off when I did no such thing is not right. I have had that in the past... Not in a few years though. New people say the word hh and that is almost the end of the conversation. Because I am GFE with a twist... what do you really think I can do in 30 mins or less...? Kiss/DATY/BJ not much else. Or if you want "more" you lose alot of the other stuff.
Now sometimes regulars are pressed for time and that is all good. Newbie asking for hh? NOGO.
You have to weigh a lot before deciding what you will offer/ or hh-hr... I will not do it, from past experiences. Yes hh is great for first time but too many issues and I am fine where I am at. Not into "bottomfeeders" either lol.
I want the full experience or I pass.
Look at it from a repair shop view.
They charge an hour to change many car parts. Even if it takes 3 hours or 30 mines.
With the service mean so to me 30 mins would be one pop only if she has time and you gab nude or cloth that just chilling. Mammy is talking into coming temporal
This is not flat rate. We are not charging for a repair, we charge for time. Just like a lawyer, personal trainer, or massage therapist. If you want a charge per pop the street is more economical than an escort.
Is hard in side her. $600 a hour * 6 seconds = $1
I used to offer a discounted rate for guys who just want a BJ, I thought it would be a nice idea for my regulars, who sometimes only have a few minutes to stop by. Had to stop doing this because I had some clients who anted BJ, then tried to get FS and one een had the nerve to ask for Greek at the discounted rate. Now I only offer special discounts for my tried and true clients.
I can tell you exactly why. Some if not most of men that look for the service think that they are entitled.....because thats like anything else here in america. If you got the money you can have it. And most people will kiss your ass if you got the money. I feel bad to hear your story. The men that you talk about think that because they have the money and have done this before can monopolize you. They think they can take their time because they have their money or whatever status. Thats why they feel entittled. Its a shot to their ego if you want them to leave after the alloted time because they feel they are the eliet and deserve special treatment. Some girls I know have ' security " for such things if a client gets to ENTITLED the secuirty steps in.
I'll make this business analogy, and it's pretty basic. The person (client) who signs the front of the check has the power over the person that endorses the back of the check (escort). At least that's the way it works in my industry. Is it right, who knows? This is the way guys think in business, and they just carry over this business attitude in the hobby. Don't take it as a defense of the behavior of clients. BTW, I endorse checks, and have to put up with a lot of crap in my business.
First, an hour is an hour. No trying to go over by 15-30 minutes.
BUT, from a purely marketing standpoint, and if a lady offers herself as GFE, I would say plan to be ready 5 minutes early, and allow for a 5-10 minute overage.
On the 5 minutes early, it gives the impression that you yourself are eagerly waiting for him to show up. So by the time he gets in the door and puts his stuff down (taking care of the 'business') there is still an hour on the clock.
On the 5-10 minutes after, it gives a more relaxed feel to the 'good-bye'. Makes it less of a 'punch the time card'. Beleive it or not, for some guys, the last 5 minutes with woman can have more of an impact on their decision to see you again than the prior 60 minutes.
In total, it looks like 15 minutes of overage to a woman. To some guys, we break the time up into segments, greeting, clothes on, clothes off, action, clean-up, good-bye, so it may not quite register.
Again, an hour is an hour, but marketing-wise, allowing for the little extra, especially with a newbie who is the one who will probably write a review, is a practice that will probably bring less 'I feel rushed' reviews.
No buts about it, an hr. is 60 minutes, I allow for overages and if a Gentlemen shows up a bit early 15minutes or so I am usually ok with starting a bit early. I never do back to back appts so its usually ok. Yet have found some men assume that extra time in the begining that the clock is not running. well it sure is. 60 minutes from the time you walk in the door.
If you plan on taking a shower b4 you leave, you need to factor that into your time more or less. playin til the very last minute and often even 10 15 minutes over then asking to hop in the shower you just stole 30 minutes of my time. It gets old after a while.
I hate being a clock watcher its just not me but too many assume the clock begins and ends with play time and cleaning up chit chat and showers are time on the house. So with a new client its best to stick to the time structure just to establish a base of 60 minutes time for my 1hr fee. Once we have established that respect for my time a bit over is ok.
I have stopped seeing clients who consistantly don't respect my time. I have a life other than this and have places to go sometimes. When they overstay 30minutes, that bumps into my life and I won't have that. My life trumps your extra time.
Its really about respect on all sides.
that some guys just can't stand being given a simple and perhaps warmly businesslike "sorry, no". it is difficult to switch cleanly between a service providing conversation and one that is simply business.
partly it is the nature of the business. it is pretty intimate and encourages boundary crossing by its very nature. they wouldn't ask their doctor or lawyer for extra time.
OTOH how many employers insist on uncompensated overtime from employees? many...
sure some guys act as if they feel entitled. but also i think some providers feel that they can't possibly say no. that it is bad for business. or that they have to be vague or unclear.
sets up expectations.
Gents should never mention "extra time" or "she's not a clock watcher" or any such thing (let alone any off menu services) in their reviews. This hurts the lady you are reviewing.
And ladies should not state that they are "not clockwatchers" or, as you have stated in your post, that you give extra time to folks who are regulars and / or that you are attracted to.
Yes you used an alias so it does not stick to you personally, but putting these ideas in the heads of gentlemen is a part (probably a big part) of the genesis of the problem.
I try to rotate my schedule to meet the
needs of the client as he has a busy too
and so do I.
When meeting someone for the first time I
generally prefer he schedule more than the
typical hour but if he is only 1 hr or more
and he arrives 5-10 min earlier that is fine
by me I should be ready anyway, and those who arrive early are actually doing ME a favor
as I take this opportunity to offer him a
beverage and tune in mentally before we
continue.
On the 30 min overtime with a new person
I agree with you there. I don't mind a few
minutes overtime to me it really is all
about the connection.If you offer a discount
for someone new, he may want to camp out...
after all,he got his way getting you to
give him a discount of course he is going to
push for more time.
If I have time to chit chat after, it adds
to building a professional rapport with him
and works for me as I am learning more about
him too.
If I am seriously busy I will let him know
and tell him that I wish we could converse a little bit more but I've got some important things to take care of and will let him know
this and do something special for him when he returns.
That's just me though everyone's different.
Angela
-- Modified on 9/4/2009 6:49:16 AM
Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is ?
Thank you
2009 = 27
I wonder....... should be on the Chicago board
I don't have too much to ellaborate here. I agree with the OP. What she says is true. So, vent away my dear and let yourself be heard!
Hugs, Betty
right after you cum, have you wait for "just a few to freshen up" and everything else they do to get you in and out in less than an hour. It happens on both sides of the aisle for any number of reasons that all add up to getting somethin' for nuthin' if you can.
Oh, are you guys happy now? I wrote "Providers" instead of "whores."
I know this happens but personally I enjoy a little cuddle time afterwards, if we have time left on the clock and the gent is in no hurry.
I have had appointments where I arrived at the parking lot of her very large hotel 5 minutes prior to my meeting time. I wait until my scheduled time to call for her room number.
I get her voice mail.
I call again 5 minutes after my time.
I get her voice mail.
Finally, I call at 10 minutes after my time was to start (my last call before I leave) and she answers and gives me the room number. It takes me an additional 7 minutes to walk from the parking lot, through the lobby, take the elevator up to her floor, and arrive at her door.
"My" 60 minutes is now 43 minutes.
I think we all have to be aware that time is very valuable to each side of this business transaction and should be respected.
Maybe it's just me but my clock doesn't start until we get down to business. If it is a new client I like to chat for a few minutes to get comfortable with each other, I do not include this time in my scheduled hour, When we get to the bedroom the time starts.
An hour should be an hour but if the lady does not pick up her phone until :00 then it will be several minutes in getting to her door. I had one experience where the room was the furthest room on the floor... and due to a disability (I use a cane pretty heavily) I am unable to sprint through the lobby.
BTW, good directions to your door is a big help in elininating the door lag. (straight through the lobby, elevator to the left. Get off & turn right.
Escorts must be skilled time managers. There have been threads on this before. Music cues, invisible clocks, or just a good sense of time. A no rush session is NOT the same as morphing 1/2 hour into a full hour! Gimme a break!
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And I typically receive high remarks and have cultivated several regulars who come back because i am doing something right. However, I will not be early for anyone. If I still have 5 minutes available before 5:00pm, I think of anything else I can do to make the guys time an exceptional one, I relax my nerves (I get nervous still) or I recheck everything (music, candles, make-up, etc). But ONE guy told me he knew before the session started that I was going to be nit picky about time because I told him not to come up early, yet he got a full hour which started when he arrived. what a way to project assumptions on a session that has not already started.
I have some clients who have a difficult time with directions or whatever, and if they get lost or have a cane, I will start the clock when they arrive (after 5:00pm) and they will get a full hour.
I have never made a guy wait and assume his hour starts before he arrives. That's rude. But what also is rude are those who project assumptions on the session before I can even perform just because I will not let them up early.
If full rates will not allow me to open the door early, be certain your DISCOUNTED rate will not either.
Thanks all for your input.
My mommy taught me to show up on-time or early for any appointment. This practice has served me well in all aspects of my life.
4:59 really shouldn't be a problem for a 5:00 appointment, should it? Not all clocks are set on atomic time.
I would recommend any service provider be ready a few minutes early for any appointment of any kind, and that any caller be ready to wait a few minutes for unavoidable delays. Beyond a few minutes, neither party is being respected, I agree.
Combining this post with your earlier one concerning clients seeking everlasting post-meeting therapy and I would say that either you have run into some very annoying clients lately, or that you have decided that venting a little under an alias will help relieve some stress for you.
I'm not sure which I am rooting for. If it is simple a few bad clients, then at least you could expect things to return to normal. If these are issues that have annoyed you for a while and are pretty typical of your clients' behaviour, then I feel bad for you.
A lot of rambling without addressing your question.
Why do guys do this? I think killabeez had the most accurate answer. People seem to be increasingly adopting an attitude of entitlement these days. They want more for less and they want it right now and how they like it. They apply this attitude towards everything. It drives me nuts!
Don't get me wrong, at the prices we are paying for a provider's time, we are very conscious of our time as well. The quantity and the quality. Even so, that is no excuse to expect more than was agreed upon. A gift is only a gift if it is freely given and not expected. If a provider chooses to grant me more time than I was expecting, I choose to see it as a small but valuable gift.
I have had appointments with favorites of mine where they couldn't extend our time together for a variety of reasons. I'll admit, I have been slightly disappointed but only because I was enjoying myself so much and I knew it would be a while before we got back together. It only made it more fun when we lounged around the next time.
By the way, I will be shocked if you get one person, sans alias, to respond with an honest answer of, "Hey I paid my money, I knew by her reviews that she runs over time with many clients, and I expected the same treatment." Too honest. Not gonna happen.
So, I hope the venting is helping you relax a bit. Unfortunately, I think that if you want honest answers from both sides of these issues, then you are going to have to spend a lot of time wording the posts so that they have less of a negative implication about them. Good luck with that, by the way.
{Also, I am not trying to discourage you from venting this way. If even just a few guys read your posts and think to themselves, "Hey, maybe that is a little over-the-top unreasonable," then you will have done a service for yourself and other providers.}
Thank you for letting me do so.
Really I should not let a couple of clients affect my day, but I did yesterday and the day before, so I vent.
Most of my friends are the type of clients all women ask for…the cream of the crop and far from bottom-feeders. They are complete gentlemen, have respect for my time and treat me well. They come back time after time and we enjoy each other's company greatly.
My experience in the hobby is a positive one. I just happened to have a couple "different" experiences or clients with entitlement issues and I needed to get it off my chest.
Thank you for letting me vent.
They want the most they can get for the smallest amount of money possible. If you give them an inch, they take a mile.
obsessed with TIME. If I give you a minute extra, please don't put it in a review, I don't want others to know I did you this favor!
Fortunately, I've never met one this obsessed. I've had a couple, start getting dressed 15 min early, but we were basically done, and still talked and kissed until the END.
Good thing you use an alias to vent this stuff. I really don't think your business practices are really good, and so far your marketing really sucks! I'm sure not GFE, may not even F/S with that attitude! Stay Hidden!!
She must have hit a nerve with you. Which one are you...time vampire, cheap, or just plain irritating? And I'm positive she doesn't want to see the likes of you. And you're pissed you don't know who it is because she might be the next lady you book with.
Great term coinage!
Maybe you and I can go in on the movie-production rights. We'll build the entire screen-play around the title. You can throw in some horror stories from rabid (or vapid) clients. I could ... I dunno ... I guess I could make the coffee.
the lady was 20 min late, yet still stopped the party at the time the original hour he payd for was up. Her fault...He paid! I'm sure THIS poster would have NO prob doing that, but thinks guys who stay over a minute are cheap pigs!
Really Gimme a break with your smart ass answer!
If a lady is late, she should do whatever possible to make up for her being late. That is not what this thread is about. It is about a client who felt he should be able to come early and leave late on a discounted rate.
Entitlement issues.
Poor customer service is not advocated in this thread. A lady who makes a guy wait 20 minutes past the time and insists he pays the entire fee without him getting his full hour should be reviewed for her behavior.
That's just not ok.
Clients should not feel entitled to time they are not paying for nor should providers feel entitled to a fee they did not earn (time-wise).
Entitlement issues.
Sweetie, I market myself just fine. I only receive 9 and 10 ratings and primarily see repeat clients, some for well over a year. Whatever I am doing, I am doing it right. I just don't like clients who feel entitled to anything.
And this is my first time bringing up this matter.
The other post was about guys who write they stayed over for an hour and a half without paying. That post was not about entitlement issues, it was about being discreet with reviews and time was just an example. Setting up expectations and causing YMMV is not helpful to providers.
This post is about entitlement and time happens to be an example. But if you want me to help you to understand I will use another example. Some guys feel entitled to "off-the-clock" sessions, Greek without an up charge (it takes time to clean that hole thoroughly), or specials because they think all providers are starving in this economy.
Off to play with a regular of a year who has nothing but great things to say about me and how I run and market my business.
Thank you for your input.
You get upset about a minute, truly? I am the type of person that if I show up exactly on time somewhere (anywhere) then I feel I am late. I show up to work 10-15 mins early. I show up to dates a few minutes early. I really can't stand people who feel that being a few minutes late is ok.
Someone who really gets upset about a few minutes is way too uptight to relax and have fun.
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I understand your basic sentiment, but ...
You do see the irony of using these two statements back-to-back, don't you?
"I really can't stand people who feel that being a few minutes late is ok."
and ...
"Someone who really gets upset about a few minutes is way too uptight to relax and have fun."
Careful with the wording.
Yeah I noticed that a while after I wrote it, not very consistent, am I? I guess I am just a bit more on the be early side than be on the late side 
b-
My example of one minute early is an exaggeration that is just as ludicrous as a client who expects to be invited in early and leave late especially when it is at a discounted rate (my time is precious when I have to figure out how I am going to make up for the fee I have already lost due to a discount).
Entitlement issues.
I do not like people who are late either, but that does not mean I want them to come early!