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Re: 90 Minute Sessions
coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 61 reads
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I used to do a lot of 90's until I moved my office closer to Kgirl-central in OC.  Then I switched to 2 hours.  90's are kind of a rip off money-wise, but if its all you have time for, it is what it is, right?  The agency I give the most business to charges $280 for one hour, $560 for two hours, and $480 for 90 minutes. They arrive at the price by adding the one hour ($280) and 30 min ($200) prices together.  For eighty bucks more you can get a full two hours.  Totally worth it unless you just can't make the time work.  I need two hours to get two pops in during the last few years, so I don't do 90's anymore at all.  

Some providers offer 30 minute as well as hour sessions.  From the providers point of view how do you feel about one vs the other?

Her rate. How does her 30 minute rate compare to her 1 hour rate? Often a girl will have a rate nearly as high for 30 minutes as for a full hour, instead of half as much. So she's trying to push you to the later time slot because she doesn't really want to book for a half hour.

The going rate at my fav agency now is $280 for an hour, but $200 for 30 min and $240 for 40 min.  I often ask the girls about 30 minutes and they tell me they understand that married guys coming from work on their way home or getting a little on their lunch hour can't do an hour without making their wife suspicious or getting in trouble at work, and these guys are mostly good guys and are not too demanding given the time constraints.  However, they hate the guys that are doing 30 minutes because they're cheap, and they complain if they don't get everything on the one-hour menu during the 30 minute session they booked, so its a lot more work and they are often exhausted after a 30 minute session. Its no secret they would rather have an hour, so the rate scale is a bit punitive in that regard to some guys that are sneaking around and can't do more than 30 minutes at a time.  A few years back there was one guy the girls called, "the lunch guy."  He came everyday to see one of them from 12:00 t0 12:30, like clockwork five days a week, so he wasn't doing half hours because he was cheap.  

and then some of the actually cheap mongers would try to find out what it really cost me on a "per pop" basis and I told them that a three night trip to Costa Rica typically would cost me about five grand "if" I didn't lose anything gambling.

 
After they did the math about getting even 15 "pops" for my five grand, most of them decided it was MUCH cheaper to stay at home. lol The stupid people of course still maintain I did it because I am cheap, but what good does it do to argue with stupid people?

Well, once you ignore the overhead you are cheap. lol

Which seems to be just what the guys complaining about not getting everything in the 30 minute sessions they could in an hour session seem to be doing.

Yeah, when you're vacationing specifically for pussy, I think you have to count the rest of the overhead into your hobby budget.  Its not just the direct compensation, its the whole package.  I had to explain this to a guy at my gym a few months ago before they closed for Covid.  He was flashing around his photos of his sex-trip to the Philippines, and emphasizing the low prices for pussy there, and he was only doing one girl a night, so he did not qualify as a whore-mongering pig in my book. I told him to add in what he spent to get there, his hotel expenses, meals and nightly bar tab, and then divide over again by the number of girls he saw.  He agreed to your point.  He could have stayed home and spent less.  LOL

Touring just for sex sounds a little boring to me. But I haven’t ever really tried to plan one. I guess if I threw in other activities to mix it up it could be great.  
Even when this old body was up to 7 or more girls a day (on weekends) when I was traveling in Brazil for work, I was quite ready to get back to work when the weekend was over and slowing down to one or two a day or whenever I could find the time during the week.
That said, combining a lot of sex with sight-seeing, bike touring, running, hiking, and other activities sounds like a lot of fun.
So far, though, all of my sex touring has been paid for by work. So, travel, food and hotel have all been free to me. And I have no complaints.
At a termas in Rio a 30 minute session makes sense to me. You pull the girl off the floor, have some fun and go back out to meet some more until it’s time to try another place because you’ve spent time with the hottest girls there already.

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That's one reason why I always schedule overseas travel for longer than three days - in fact usually at least 10 days.  When  you calculate the aggregate rates for pussy in a so-called cheap location, it's still going to be two to four times the straight session rate. Airfare, hotel, food & drinks (for me and the women), local transportation, sight seeing & and tourist crap for my cover story all ads up.  
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My last trip was to DR where I spent quality time with 6 women, all 7-9+ and 19 to 26 years old (yes I have pics - no I will not share them). The sessions were less than $100 for about 2 to 3 hours. But I spent 60% of my budget on business class airfare. So the aggregate was much, much higher.... and totally worth it.  
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Life is good.
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The Cat

That could explain 30 minute vs hour rates.  (180 vs 220 around here)
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But there has to be a different explanation for the equally weird 90 vs 120 Kgirl rates.  
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The rate for 90 minutes is the sum of the hour rate and 30 minute rate, and the 2 hour rate is just twice the hour rate.  In other words, the same penalty is applied to 90 minutes as is applied to 30 minutes.  That's directly contrary to the girls-work-harder explanation of the 30 minute rate.  
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This can appear as if it's the booker's convenience that is the dominant consideration, rather than the providers'.

I’ve done more than a few of the 90 minute sessions.  

They work great for:
 * checking out how the girl does after an hour - can she keep the energy up? Can she go off script?
 * seeing if you actually like spending time with the girl after that initial 45 minutes (more than a few don’t pass this test)

They also let the girl know that you actually can afford to be a regular if the economics of the 90 minute session work for you.

Still, just my opinion.

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I used to do a lot of 90's until I moved my office closer to Kgirl-central in OC.  Then I switched to 2 hours.  90's are kind of a rip off money-wise, but if its all you have time for, it is what it is, right?  The agency I give the most business to charges $280 for one hour, $560 for two hours, and $480 for 90 minutes. They arrive at the price by adding the one hour ($280) and 30 min ($200) prices together.  For eighty bucks more you can get a full two hours.  Totally worth it unless you just can't make the time work.  I need two hours to get two pops in during the last few years, so I don't do 90's anymore at all.  

Makes sense from a monger perspective.  
But what about the girls' and orgs' perspective?
Do you have a theory for why the orgs apply a stiff penalty to 90 minutes vs 120 or 60?  
Others have just called it "hooker math" but the POs/bookers aren't dumb hookers.

Dynomite74 reads

Tells me they're a high volume provider which in my experience leads to a rushed session.

Just my preference.  Others may have had a different outcome.

TheVoiceOfReason62 reads

You could tell a lot by rates.  Some providers also have 15 min appointments or "blow and go" and no I am not referring to just low quality ladies.  I have seen ladies who (unknowingly probably) have overall TER ratings of between 8.5 and 9 advertise these.  I did not partake, but found it interesting nevertheless.  Providers will also advertise 30 min/1 hr appointments with little differences (rates) between those  and longer appointments to see if you are cheap.  Example: $400/hr or $500/90 min.  Select a 1 hr appointment with this chick and you are labeled as a cheapo before you open the door.    

400.00 is not being cheap I don’t know about most guys on here but I really don’t like paying more for a hr then I make in a day(around 500.00) I think these providers are getting ridiculous with there donations it a few I have seen in the past that I would love to see again but it’s hard for me to pay more then 500.00 for the hr which they both now charge 600.00

KJ523360 reads

I normally do not do the 15/30 QV but sometimes that is just what I am in the mood for. I appreciate that the option is there especially if the lady is hot.

want to speak up for the providers when someone asks them a question.

Not picking on the other two responses but noting that a number of people have complained about the lack of participation in discussions and on the site by providers. Seems like leaving a question specifically directed at providers along to let them answer might actually encourage more participation. They might start believing anyone really cares what they have to say.

Well, maybe that is going a bit too far.

Of providers that refuse to book under 4hrs.

TheVoiceOfReason56 reads

That is very rare.  Most of the providers that claim - well it is more aspirational than reality.  

There was a seasoned and trusted monger on Neurotic Donkey who always did a half hour first time for recon purposes; to see who he wanted to repeat with.  The girls got wind of him and he wound up getting special treatment from those kgirls who were looking for quality regulars.

I personally don't do half hour sessions; I don't like to feel rushed and I like to go two times.  Just my preference but kudos to mongers who do recon and share with the team!!!!

I tried the 30 minute thing for checking out new providers. It just did not work for me. 60 minutes is better and 90 is almost perfect. Lots of girls can keep things going for a good 60 minute session. If that’s all you’re after a 30 minute might be fine.
But a typical one hour session just leaves me horny for more. And I’m out not just the money. I’m out the travel, prep and warm-up time for the girl.  
If a 90 minute session fails because she starts repeating or running out of steam early, I just gracefully walk and go to my plan B.

with judging a new provider on the basis of a 30 minute session is that you will most likely not get the full menu with enough time to evaluate her skills, and therefore, not really be able to gauge her strengths and weaknesses accurately.  When it comes to older guys, the girls tell me that many are disappointed  in 30 minutes sessions because if you get to the 25-minute mark and you haven't been able to cum yet, you are going to get finished off with a vigorous handjob, probably something you could have stayed home and done yourself.  

 
I have never done a half hour either.  I mostly do two hours, except for new girls.  Those are always one hour for, as you call it, recon purposes.  For me the first session is an audition for the repeat 2-hour session.  80% of the new girls I see pass the audition and get at least one repeat for two hours.  Some get many.  In 30 minutes, I can just picture myself stepping out of the shower, the girl drying me off, giving me a DFK, and then telling there's just enough time for an exit shower if I want one.  No thanks.  Lol

If You got The Money Honey..
I've got the Time..

Have a great day...June is here!

Kisses Sheila

WICardinalfan56 reads

Given my employer is just squeaking by, no travel for most if not all of the year.

So, shopping local when we are sill somewhat in a stay at home world, is hard.  It is hard to justify being gone for long period of time, so I worked with a local to do 30 min.

As things relax I will move back to an hour.  I really do not like 30min, I feel too rushed.  But desperate times call for creativity.  

i do not offer half hours for a few reasons. First of all, I do not see alot of guys in a day. Usually 1, 2 max. Touring may vary. I put alot of effort into getting ready and being my best. I personally don't feel it is worth all the effort for a 30 minute appointment. The main reason is that you can't have much of a connection with someone in 30 minutes. It just isn't my style. I don't like being rushed..

I don't advertise 30 mins since rarely ever do with new clients. I'm a gfe provider since its dovetails with my caretaker personality. Breaking the ice with new clients (usually with a drink) & getting a feel for what they desire is critical (imho) for a 1st sesh.
Occasionally do do them with ongoing as an accommodation to them (can be $ or can be time thingy). Usual scenarios of what can ensue:
-we know each other, are considerate of type of sesh, and s'all good
-i'm not clock watcher type, so next thing ya know its 45 mins
-client isn't considerate of time, pushes envelope, i push back on a subsequent sesh & feel crappy, and then cut him off from future 30 mins sessions.
Bottom line, I liken it to the Woody Hayes quote "Only three things can happen when you pass (a completion, an incompletion, and an interception) and two of them are bad."
Sorry, not sorry.
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Kacy TGirl

I'm not as prolific as some here as of late, but 30 minutes is a waste of time. I won't do less than 2 hours, that's just me. I'm not saying I fuck for 2 hours straight, I wish, but I actually dig hanging out with my lady friends before, during, and after.

For instance, the most I spent was $2400 for three dates. Each lady, $800, for three days.  

Of course it helped I won that money on a Superbowl bet the year before and told each one I'm going to LV and I'd like to see you on Friday, you on Saturday, and you on Sunday thing and didn't include the hotel, plane, food, drink and gambling which basically came to twice that anyway.  

Spent a lot of time with three wonderful ladies and made for a damn good weekend!  

So yeah. 30 minutes isn't even a consideration. It's a waste of time as far as I'm concerned but that's just me...

John_Laroche58 reads

Ahhh, the memories of rushing back to the dorm between classes or finding an empty room at a house party for a quick fuck with a girlfriend. That's what a great 30-minute session is all about.  

 
I used to think no way. She's high volume, etc... until one of my favorites suggested that we could meet for quickies over lunch. Obviously it works best if you already have a history and just let the carnal instincts do their magic.

 
Comparing it to a +2 hour session is just apples and oranges. A lazy beach cruser ride on a Sunday vs. mountain biking down one of Vail's steepest trails.  

 
It's also not a terrible way to meet a FBSM provider with no track record.

I can’t say I absolutely never do quickie sessions.  
I used to know a lovely provider at a local AMP. She had told me if I ever wanted to see her before she started working to just show up at the door and she’d let me in.
So, on mornings when I was, to quote from Beetlejuice, “feeling a little anxious” I’d drop by and she’d let me in and then push me up against the wall and suck me dry. And I’d be on my way in a far better mood than when I got there. Those morning blowjobs (I really miss them) never took more than 30 minutes.

Personally it doesnt matter to me either way. I can do a HH session just as effectively as i would an hour or two. I think the question is....can YOU reach your  point of satisfaction within that allotted time frame?

Offered hhr years ago. I just outgrew it and also didn't see the point of doing a date that was shorter than the amount of time/effort it took me to get ready for it so....yeah.  

I don't think any of the guys mentioned the following reasons for opting for a 30-minute session, so here they are.

1. I sometimes don't last long enough for the hour session, and I can't go two rounds, so it doesn't make sense to pay for the hour.
2. If I see a provider who is really good at what she does, but not a pleasure to be around, there is no point in me staying an extra 30 minutes.

WICardinalfan49 reads

I will add one more.  In the age of COVID, how does one explain being away from home for an hour or more?  Not as much of a problem now that things have opened up a bit, but still a hard sell if one has kids and cannot business  travel.

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