I asked a provider for a 4 hour date with dinner. I was visiting town and I told her where I will be staying and we discussed dinner options. Then I asked her what she wants for her time. She asked me what is my budget and what sounds reasonable.
Have you ever come across a situation like that and how did you respond?
Some of us are only human and we desire genuine connections and hate miss out on making a new friend based on rates. If I have good vibes 😎 from the first initial contact you can usually tell, and if they subscribe to my of it’s official they’re a real fan. I have friend who don’t pay my advertised prices. I prefer longer dates. There is nothing better, than knowing your time is valued and you’re going to be wined and dined. No one wants to be lonely. Who doesn’t want to invest in a date that you know for sure is going to end with tasting the rainbow, or opening Pandora’s box? 😈😻
She has good reviews. But I've never been asked for a budget. Usually the quote me a rate and I accept it or move on.
If so you might consider how much public time and how much private time you're expecting and then think about what you think a reasonable discount for the public time might be. She may disagree but seems like she open to discussing total cost based on the activities (plus you're buying dinner, and possibly transportation). Of course, if that is the prelude to a full payment up front I would tread more carefully.
they all should have clear rates for their time
what happens during that time is between you two
period
I have not had this exact scenario happen, but I have had a few ladies adjust their rates for me based on the amount of time or activities.
Does she have a website and did you check it for her rates? Or check with other reviewers for a similar situation?
If she does post her rates then I would offer something reasonable, close to her rates, and see what she says. Obviously low-balling would be insulting and I would avoid that.
Give it a shot - you may have found a great deal.
Website was somewhat ambiguous, 3 hour rate but not 4. I usually ask in that case but I've always gotten a straight response.
had their rates posted on their website. Some will say to inquire about extended engagements of more than 12 hours or more, but four hours is usually within their published rate schedule. I would never ask unless she does NOT have a website or a TER profile listing her rates.
There have been a few guys here looking for discounts and rate negotiation, but if she is open to a discount because it's a slow week, you're probably not going to get her best effort. Whatever customers have been paying is the rate, and I find it hard to believe that you are not able to find out what the 4-hour rate is from her TER profile or her advertising. In the rare instance where there is nothing published, there is no harm in asking directly, but you did that, and she threw it back on you to see if you are serious or not. Whatever number you suggest now, I'm certain you will get the level of service that she thinks corresponds to YOUR number. Your mistake was asking how much without knowing what others are paying.
Perhaps. She has a three hour rate but not four. Rather than speculate, I asked. And every time I've done this I got a straight response.
My goal wasn't to negotiate. I know better than that. I just wanted to get it right so there's no mix-up. I've been in that awkward situation, never again.
I had this situation happen to me this week. The provider only listed a rate for 1 hour, I asked if she had multi-hour rates and she responded by asking me what I thought was fair. It is frustrating when it happens.
It looks like she is giving you an opportunity to "deviate" somewhat from her normally posted hourly rate.
Perhaps discount a portion off of the hourly rate that it would've cost you?
Ex: $400 per hour = normal rate.
4 hours = $1,600, but offer her $1,000-$1,200?
I assume dinner, etc is on you.......
Rates should be posted on the website. No dickering or negotiating period.
It makes it easier for all concerned. If the rates are beyond your means move one.
I recently had a provider ask the same question. The provider did have published rates. I replied, is't $XXX your rate? The provider said yes, and we were good.
Since it's 4 hours, and includes dinner, I can see a scenario where the provider doesn't publish rates for 4 hours. I have seen plenty who publish for 1 hour, or 2 hours, but not more. If the provider normally gets $600 for an hour, that's $2400 for 4 hours, but most offer a better hourly rate when you book more time. 2k seems to be common at that rate. So if she posts an hourly rate, but not 4 hours, look up some legit providers who are her same hourly rate and see what the common price is for 4 hours and ask if that works for her.
I've never felt comfortable recommending a price. I prefer the provider do so that way they know their getting what they want. I don't want to be presumptuous.
Oh, I'm with you. I fully expect the provider to set the rate. I never try to haggle either. But if she has no set rate and asks me, I will answer within reason and ask her if it's okay with her. I wouldn't low ball. That's why I said I would look up what others in her range are charging for 4 hours. But I get it if you don't feel comfortable even after she asked.
Is reasonable to me for 4 hours with dinner.
I hate being asked that question. If I'm buying a car, a bicycle or a new pair of shoes, if the salesperson asks that question, I find someone else. I feel I'm being asked to bid against myself.
OTOH, if a salesperson asks how do you plan to use the car, bike or shoes, we can have a conversation that eventually turns to price.
If this lady didn't want to get into a discussion of specific activities, (and if for some strange reason that detail is not on her website!) she might have said something such as "My hourly rate is x, but for multiple hours it's Y. Does that work for you?".
I agree. It's a sleazeball question so that you name a price that is actually higher. And if you lowball they will act offended.
It's a very common barter economy trick.
And one of solutions to that trick is just lowball them so low they understand you don't like that question.
She knows they'll be public time and not a 4 hour pound fest. If it was she'd have said her hour rate times 4. Maybe minus a slight discount. BUT...It'd help me if I knew who the girl is, her ad, is she reviewed and you did discuss a dinner meet and so forth. How was the vibe leading up to this?
And yes in a way I have come across this. I just tell them "help me help you" and I'll say something to the affect of "I want you to be comfortable with our meet so you tell me"...or something along those lines.
But in my world, have done it with first meets and if it works, it works. If it doesn't...c'est la vie
How do you teach someone to negotiate? Start low, but not real low, and see how she responds. I'm guessing you're paying for the dinner and she has to eat. She's probably new. Good for you. My dinner date wasn't as good as the sex. HA!
What are your dinner "options" you discussed and does a great dinner mean anything to her?
Pre-covid, I was seeing a gal on occasion and we had a high appreciation of fine food and wine in common. In and out of session, we would discuss some of the various joints that were hot, opening and where the local talent was at. I had a set of tickets to a small and very exclusive tasting dinner featuring items for the new menu launch at a very hot restaurant. Dinner was paid for by the company, alcohol was on me. I paid more for the wine than I did for her normal session.
I had set an evening appointment and told her I had a couple tickets to a special dinner at XYZ beforehand and asked what it would take for her to join me if she took the seat a coworker would have had. Without hesitation, and knowing this was at least a two hour ordeal she said "oh, sweetie, if you're going to take me to XYZ for that dinner, that's free time and I don't want to miss a minute of it rushing". While we were grazing, she looked at me, said thank you so much for this and btw, aside from the regular fee, I'm yours for the evening. After dinner, we hit a club for a bit, called an uber back to the hotel, relaxed in the bar for a couple of cocktails and then got our half drunk asses up to the room. We ripped each others clothes off and fucked like rabbits. She stayed for about an extra hour and it was late and I had to get some sleep. I tucked $$ in her blouse as I kissed her goodbye.
This only worked because I was able to deliver something she couldn't probably get on her own and she had appreciation for what it was. I wouldn't expect this for a normal dinner but a reduced fee isn't out of the question but it depends on her appreciation for fine food and the experience you provide.
You didn't really answer his question or offer advice. Your title and first sentence, in fact, are misleading because it seems like you're about to offer some advice. But then you tell this story with a very unusual situation and an unusual return. That's awesome for you and it is a nice story. But do you really think his situation is remotely similar?
He brought up dinner, I asked if this was something she would really appreciate beyond satisfying a growling stomach with a trip to Pizza Hut...on him. I followed this up with a story of how I knew of something of great value to my lady friend beyond money and was able to parlay a work perk into a great experience. It's about recognizing opportunity when it presents itself. Dinner is vague and if he thinks she will reduce her rate, he needs to know what is important to her.. It was his parameters and I had an experience that fit, so I shared.
He said dinner date. 90% of the time, that’s a dinner that isn’t so out of the norm. The expectation is that it’s a nice spot. You responded with an extremely rare situation. TBH, sounds more like you saw an opportunity to brag and don’t really care to be helpful.
And what is a nice spot? Is that like tickets to a NBA game or is it to the game seeing Steph Curry vs Kyrie in conference finals for an escort that's an avid fan? If the experience is highly desirable, there should be a consideration on her part for the value the client is willing to share.
If it were bragging, I would have brought up my last Steak & Blowjob birthday with a knockout civie WOMAN. I'm guessing you've paid for that experience a few times and ended up getting a throatpie from an 6" tranny dick.
A dinner date is dinner. A nice dinner spot is not an NBA game. That's adding more entertainment. Do I really need to tell what a nice restaurant is? Are you that dumb? If you want to add entertainment, she will go with you of course. In any case, if it's something unique enough that she cares about, sure you might get lucky and she might come off clock. It sounds like that what you like, free time from an escort. You prefer to not pay for their time. Got it. Nice.
And really, bringing up getting a steak and BJ from a civie woman is a brag to you? Man, must suck being you if that's a brag. I take it an asshole like you doesn't get civie women that often. Makes sense.
you rarely get free time from providers, even though you consider it the holy grail. You are just a hack until you have providers who text you and their opening line is, "Hey, I'm off this Friday . . . . ." You will get more OTC action if you let them do the asking, but then you have to deliver a luxury date that is not dripping in cheapness, or it will be their only ask to you. Snafu knows this. A sporting event or concert where the tickets are more than she charges for a session will usually get you future invites.
Do you see the irony in you criticizing his style when your hot button is when you get 15 minutes of overtime because she didn't throw you out when she should have? When was the last time you picked up a civvie woman, fucked her, and then she cooked for you? (Eating sausage doesn't count. Lol)
Heshits(oncocks) is a beta, he will never understand what it is to parlay and leverage opportunity for the betterment of two different individuals. He plays the game hoping for scraps while we eat at the head of the table that we have set.
When you have something special, your thought is to see if an escort will join you and not charge you for her time. When I am in the same position, I have enough civie ladies in my queue that I do not need to ask an escort if my extra ticket will give me free sex. But I get it. You're the worst kind of person. So much so, that your highlight is getting a BJ and steak from a civie once. That's because ladies who don't charge don't like men like you.
have the same needs for a social life away from work as civvie women do, so they often look for opportunities to go out socially that is not tied to the business. The obvious best place to look for adventurous outings is with her regular customers that she knows well. She will start with those customers who can take them to do something that they probably would pay for on their own.
I was seeing one of my regulars once, and she said she wanted to go someplace exciting with me. I asked what she had in mind. She pulled out her phone and pointed to an ad for zip-lining in Catalina. I told her that required a reservation, so we agreed on the following Saturday. I picked her up at her apartment, we took a morning helicopter to Catalina from the Queen Mary helipad and went zip lining. After completing the five runs there, she squeezed my butt-cheek and told me the rush she got from zip-lining made her horny and asked if we could get a room. I got us a room on the first phone call, we fucked for a couple of hours, had a late lunch at the blue water grill, and still made our helicopter flight back to Long Beach before sunset. This one date turned into a long period of OTC time and many exciting dates that after a few more months morphed into a regular friends-with-benefits situation. The lost the income from me but liked our adventure dates more than the money I would have paid her, which cost more than the session would have anyway.
Guys like Snafu, Nicky and I, and a few others here in our age range grew up talking women into our beds without paying during the era of pick-up bars, and when you have those skills, it's like riding a bicycle, you never forget how. We often don't plan to have sex, like me on the zip-lining adventure, but when a woman has a great time with us, she will make a spontaneous decision to go for it. Life-time friends with benefits are found this way. You just need to be an experienced raconteur. (Look it up.)
I'll break down the obvious for you. You had stated "a nice spot" was the expectation. My question was, what is a nice spot? A nice spot is vague as fuck to someone who has high expectations. Fucking Applebee's is nice to someone. Do you think the property YOU think is a nice spot, would be considered a nice spot by everyone else? I sure as shit can guarantee that you and I have completely different criteria that would dictate if a property is a "nice" spot. That's what I usually say to some ignoramus inlaw that brings a bottle of Apothic Red to my house for dinner and expecting me to be impressed..."that's nice". It's not getting served at my dinner but I might braise some short ribs with it another day.
I used the tickets to an NBA game as an example. Taking a provider who's an avid fan to a NBA game would be considered a nice experience but is it really something that's exclusive compared to watching two future HOF'ers competing against each other in a game as meaningful as a conference playoff? It's the fact that I've taken HER to that is the key. Yeah, I've got expectations that she's smart enough to know anyone else sitting in that seat may have paid $1500 for it but she'll fuck me all the better because of me, she was able to use it. The best part is that I'm going to turn the tryst into an expense against my income in the process, lol.
No, I don't beg for free time. I'm an opportunist who believes the best deal made with someone you want to fuck is creating a win/win outcome and letting her choose to partake or not. The wisdom is picking the right woman who will realize the upside in making sure I've also had a great experience.
I don't date civie women either because I've been married to one for decades and if I did it would be like playing russian roulette. It's not if, but when, in getting caught. So yes, getting the BJ and steak day fulfilled every year from a spouse IS a bragging point.
Your last claim "I take it an asshole like you doesn't get civie women that often" You could have shortened that to the first 5 words but replaced the "an" with "in the" and you actually would have said something accurate.
Fuck you are dumb, I feel like I'm trying to explain this to my dog.
So you asked the question because you think Applebees is an example of what is nice to some? Dafuq you think we're talking about some dime store crakhead street whore? Look, nothing against Applebees because its one of many cheap but edible places I have eaten at in my lifetime, but any reasonable person should never suggest it as a nice spot. I guess I do have to spell it out to you. A nice spot can range, especially in a big city, from $100-$200 meal for two (American Beauty Steakhouse, Rao's Hollywood, Matu, La Boheme, Ocean Prime, etc..) to a top spot that may cost $400+ like Polo Lounge, Nobu Malibu, or Republique. This is name dropping, but really you should know better, but that just shows you're not too smart. Applebees lmao.
So let me get this straight. You got a $1500 seat to a big game. NBA games are 2-2 1/2 hours. Travel time to to the game and back to her house, figure that makes it at least 3 hours total. Sounds like you might include dinner too, so that's another hour and a half. And sounds like you expect the sex time to be without limits. You're looking at 6 hours or more for your $1500 ticket. Well, you said it. You're an opportunist for sure who tries to cheapen the time of an escort. For that much time, most providers are charging about 3 times as much as your ticket. You're one of those clients who tries to prey on a providers weakness. You're not just an idiot, you're an awful human being.
On a slightly related side note, The applebees in Wausau, WI is now also an IHOP? Who else has this? I can order off BOTH menus at the same time?!? How about we sneak in a good sexual joke here? Best one wins!!!
Are you saying IHOP on Scarlette. For an hour in the back booth of Applebees and tip a basket of riblets forthe encounter.
Not really a joke but would be the talk of Wausau!
I googled it and it seems like a thing in many cities. Reminds me of the kfc/taco bell pairing back in the day.
As far as sexual jokes... In Wasau one probably doesn't need to visit an IHOP to find a pancake like ass.
I haven't seen one of these, and it's a bit of a surprise. All of the iHops I have been to have a lunch and dinner menu. It seems a number of items on the menu would be in conflict.
But that said... How about we go to Applebees, I will bring the sausage, you bring the blanket. If anyone asks, we can tell them we heard pigs in a blanket is now on the menu.
No dumbass, it's about being able to curate a great opportunity by leveraging well earned business perks and relationships to maximize personal enjoyment. The fee is never negotiated and is happily paid. It's her choice to accompany me on her time and if she wants to hang longer as a form of appreciation, that's up to her but never quid pro quo. Nobody is taking advantage of anyone. Nor arms have been twisted.
It is entertaining watching you twist yourself into a pretzel though in some sort of cost analysis. That alone tells me you have no idea how to create opportunity. Keep sucking dick, you seem to have that down, lol.
developed an appreciation over time for the combination of an older gent, a gourmet meal, a fine wine, and seasoned wood, so they will go overtime with the dinner portion of the date.
You can presumably extrapolate from her 3 hour rate. It’s a little odd, but you also don’t need to overthink it.
But that would be too easy. 🤣
When things get though for providers they tend to be flexible with their rates, hence asking for your budget. Would it be a "bargain" for them, just an opportunity to get some cash and not scare you away by being too pricy