Now that hourly rates are frequently in the $500 to $1200 range, is it okay for a little negotiation? What I mean, say the rate is $500 per hour with someone you would like to see - would a one time email saying: I see your rates are $500 per hour, and I'm sure you're more than worth it, but I can only afford $400 at this time. Would that be acceptable to you? Or, another scenario I have seen you before and the rate was $xxx, can I be grandfathered in to the previous rate? I know most providers would probably not like the negotiation process for personal services - is there a respectful way to ask? Is it ever acceptable to ask? One final scenario, you just had a great session and paid the published rate, could you say something like I would like to see you once a month but can only afford X amount?

I know some women have an issue with negotiations. Me personally as long as you’re respectful I have no issue especially if your someone who has seen me before looking to reconnect & get grandfathered in. When TER went dark for the U.S. a lot of us where not able to save everyone’s contact info. I would say read thru her website first to see if she has any info on returning friends or meeting on a regular basis. If no info I would respectfully communicate what you had in mind. The worst she can say is no. Hope this helps.

Especially for your first scenario. A provider who thinks she's worth 5 - 12 is unlikely to take your offer of 4 unless you you say that you only have 45 minutes available, and does she have a rate for a that.

It can close doors in the future. Yes it is possible she would say yes. It is just as likely to offend her. You don't want to be that guy. Your choice but I would just save up and see her later once you have more money, or you can find someone cheaper.  

If you can't afford to see her, save up until you can or find someone whose rate you can afford.

for a discount when seeing a provider for the first time.  However, if she's a touring girl, I will do some research to make sure she's not charging me more than she does the locals at her home base.  Some girls will respond to a once-a-month proposal, and some won't.  It depends on how busy they are.  Its one thing to take a reduced rate on time that you would otherwise not fill with a full-rate customer, but girls who are busy are less likely to want to see you at a reduced rate if they can book somebody for that time that will pay their regular rate.  

...it never hurts to ask. Sometimes you don't know until you go for it.  
I do NOT entertain negotiating but I say this only because some ladies actually will indulge it.  
SOMETIMES it's not what you say/ask for but how.
I recommend that you really only trying your luck with ladies who clearly state they entertain negotiating or bartering.
Also...be okay with being told no the FIRST TIME and moving along without a fuss.
Really though it's best to probably not bother pushing the subject of negotiating with someone who is out of the range that you want to pay anyways. And there's definitely a difference in what one can actually afford vs what you just don't want to pay.

"BUt yOu ARe sO SPeCiaL, I WaNt To seE YoU," is a lie.

If you are using a random text number, I guess throw out a negotiated rate, but otherwise don’t bother.

...the ladies here, in THIS thread,  you will understand why a guy might ask this in an OP.

Would you mind sharing why you object to touring gals charging more than back home?  

There are plenty of ladies on the 3 to 400 range in most cities.  Many of them aren't that much different from ladies in the 5 to 1200 range.  700 and above is a lot and at that price range many people have very high expectations in terms of menu, performance, and overall experience.  It doesn't happen often but if a lady likes you or thinks that you are an easy or good client (small penis and quick) or likes you, you might get an email from her after a session or two or three with a special offer or promotion ($100 off, reduced rate).  Happens maybe 5 to 10% of the time.  

How can you have a small penis only 5-10% of the time?  Mine is pretty much the same size every day.

I wasn't so well hung. LOL

I guess it is a certain personality type to ask. Guys who get off on getting a deal. But why start off on the wrong foot?  

Seek ladies within your budget, or see more expensive ladies less often. Personally, I have found little correlation between price and pleasure. Some of the higher priced ladies I have seen are more attractive then many more budget friendly ladies. But, they tend to be less fun, and just count on appearance for higher price. I know there are exceptions. But personally, I’d rather have a 8/9 for $400 versus a 10/7 for $700. Fuck..... If I WANTED to spend $700, I’d spend it on the first girl for two hours!  

Just seems tacky to me.
But if others love the hunt for a bargain, more power to them. Just not my thang.

Those are two subsets of the biz that lend themselves to negotiation.  I think they even expect it.  

Well, here is what I have done many times.  I am not very active any more (just see 1 lady), but in the past I was very active.  Anyway, if u are seeing a lady for the first time, I don't recommend negotiating on the 1 hour rate.  If u can't afford that rate, then move on.  Simple as that.  If you are booking more than 1 hour, thats a different story.  I have negotiated many times a different 2 hour rate and beyond.  What also helps is your reputation.  U have 1 review so u are not well known.  I used to host the LA Meet and Greets so I was very well known.  I have had several ladies give me discounts based on that just cuz they wanted to see me or liked me or knew me because of the parties I hosted.  That doesn't help u I know, but discounting is done.  Regarding grandfathering, I saw several ladies upwards of 20 times.  So, I was pretty much grandfathered in at original rates.  Seeing a lady 1 time and then wanting to be grandfathered may not happen.  Good luck

Asian here: only time my small penis was a benefit to me was for getting Greek from girls that typically don't do Greek... and I'm not even a Greek fan tbh lol

Sugar Babies virtually ALWAYS negotiate and hookers outside of the US. In some countries "not negotiating" is seen as a sign of either weakness or stupidity and paying the "asking price" doesn't get you better service, it gets you WORSE service as you are deemed to weak and/or stupid to "deserve" a woman's best performance.

Ironically, those two groups probably have much less room to haggle than "independents" as they share their fee with the house. Even if you factor in an entire 1-night 4-star hotel rate, the +500 escort is still way ahead on a per-customer basis.

Do you haggle with your doctor or lawyer on how much you pay them for their service?
Would you be amused if your boss told you that you were taking a 20% pay cut?  
If the person who cuts your hair charges $30, and at the beginning of the appointment, you tell her you only have $20, and, you still DEMAND to get a wash AND a blow dry/style with your haircut, would you expect to get great service??

Try having someone make you an offer that falls a hundred thousand dollars of your "break even" price and then get back to me about how disrespectful haggling is. I often have people expect me to spend tens of thousands of dollars creating worthless due diligence documents before committing to spending a penny. Somehow I am not going to get bent all out of shape because some guy offers a $600 hr hooker "only" $500 hr for her services. I don't do it myself, but put yourself in my shoes for a moment and you'll realize why I simply can't get all worked up about it.

If you cannot afford a girl just move on, or you come off looking like a cheapskate and that's a very poor look.

Personally, I don't negotiate. I don't need to risk the headache. I know from posted rates if it's in my ballpark.  
I've never done it, but I can see the possibility of negotiating over "hooker math": 1 hour 500 (500 per hour); 1.5 hour 700 (467 per hour); 2 hour 950 (475 per hour). "2 hours for 900 (450 per hour)?"  
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Other replies to the OP have been all over (yes, no, sometimes).
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However,

Yes, doctors negotiate as well as lawyers. Not sure where you have heard otherwise.

You'd be surprised how negotiable medical bills are actually. You're not haggling with your doctor directly, they have no say in the matter, but you can absolutely haggle with the people that he works for that are actually billing you. Same goes for dentistry, especially if you're getting a service that's not covered by insurance like veneers or whitening.

to not haggle over the price of something.

as someone in your home town, so I don't feel I should pay a premium over what they are paying for the same service.  Figuring out how to make touring profitable is up to you.  If you make a bad decision about touring to a specific city where you haven't created any demand or have no regulars, then the speculation in doing that is your risk.  If me subsidizing your trip is the only way to make it profitable, then maybe it was a bad decision to tour there and you should not consider doing it again.  

I believe a lady is okay adjusting her rate to other comparable ladies in city she is visiting. I’m good with Knoxville ladies adding $100 or so when in Atlanta, but NY ladies ought to drop prices $100-200. To me, that is “the going rate”! And ladies, y’all know that you compare each other to self and others around, so you should have no problem figuring out a reasonable market adjustment!

I don't know any ladies who are not offended by this type of behavior. Keep in mind, when you haggle with a companion, you are basically questioning HER worth. There is a huge difference between haggling over the price of a cheap souvenir at a flea market, vs trying to negotiate with a lady who is offering you something that is invaluable....herself.  
My opinion on the matter stands, and if calling out bad behavior upsets anyone's delicate feelings, so be it.

Is a provider who charges $1000/hr worth twice as much as one who asks $500? Or a $900/hr companion worth 3x one who charges $300? How exactly does one go about calculating the worth of something invaluable?

in other cities, then I agree I would have to take into account the difference in hotel rates for her incall, but when I'm traveling, I mostly do outcall with touring girls, but incall with local girls.  

There are SEVERAL women, in THIS very thread, who are NOT offended by haggling. Do I have to walk you to there posts here too???????

(       ) ignore
Fuck off
Asshole
Good Luck
Really?
You know better
Maybe another time
Don’t call/text again

Re: All from one provider? Must be some kind of record. eom

Ha.  That would have been some conversation.  Sorry left off the ‘s’ on negotiations.   Results still the same.

At least you got one "maybe" out of eight tries.  Lol

I consider it tacky to try and negotiate on the first date. 2,3+ dates and I will consider it. If you try to negotiate and I have never seen you before very unlikely I will book with you.

When I tour I request an addl $50 from my home rate. This is to cover hotel/gas/air fare/food, etc. It is pretty common for gals to do this when they tour.

you eat when you're touring but you don't eat when you're working near home?  That's a pretty disingenuous argument.  I also mentioned when I'm traveling, I prefer outcall at MY hotel, and those rates are usually $50-100 higher already, so why should I further subsidize your incall by paying ANOTHER $50, which I will not use?

Is that I rarely if ever see a doctor, but I agree, if I ever were to be looking at a major procedure costing tens of thousands of dollars, you can bet your ass I'd be negotiating. I don't have any medical bills and that is why I don't negotiate with doctors, it's not because I think that they are "above" negotiating.  

Years ago, I had my appendix removed, real emergency like, and had them knock 3 grand off the bill I was left with after my shitty insurance didn't cover everything. I'd say that's worth the time or the trouble. Trying to get an escort to knock off a hundo from her hourly rate? Yeah, not worth my time, or the trouble. Plus, I'm in socal, so, it isn't like we have a shortage of capable women who charge a fair price for their work.

I haven’t ever thought about it like that
I don’t think it’s necessary or particularly accurate
What I have put a value on is my time
So for example when I had very limited time and could not travel (as in tour)/ was not available during the day I pitched myself in the multi hour dinner date bracket because I had infrequent smaller blocks of time. It worked for me. I figured out that I needed maybe 4 dinner dates a month or a couple of dinner dates and an overnight. That types of appointments do generally lend themselves well to men that are willing to spend high amounts of money (not all BUT there is/was a demand there at the time I was doing it for sure). Enough so that I could charge high rates and only take 4 appointments a month to meet my monthly goals. Ironically, the less time I had available the higher the demand was for my time

Meatloaf said one out of three ain’t bad.  One out of eight ain’t good especially with a maybe response.  Thank you for your advice.  

Pay The Price...Quality Vs..Quantity
.xoxo

was interesting reading that long thread on negotiation ... I think its actually very simple.   First time - No.      My perception is the donation a woman requests is for a very personal service with a very personal perception of her value.  

My goodness.  What a fabulous time that must have been.  Are you comfortable sharing the provider's name?

I do not mind a respectful inquiry about rate flexibility during an initial inquiry, although the reply is always no.
Since every part of our interaction factors into my screening process, continuing to pursue it with "I don't pay more than ____" or the like, moves the needle towards a dns.
Escorting is meat & potatoes of my adult entertainer revenue streams, so I set my rates in order to maintain a viable, ongoing business.
Such includes accounting for advertising (btw, the big E just increased base ad rates 15% after a 33% increase in 2019), a higher rate for overhead costs during a tour visit, and not having a regular citizen job so I can be available for clients 24/7/365 (e.g., when clients want to slip away from work for some daytime "strange", I'm available
Prolly a long way of saying, the arrangement portion of our interaction is all business and there are plenty of them in SoCal for you to patronize if mine does not match with what you desire to spend.
Warmest hugs,
Kacy TGirl

gal she might go off on YOu! Saying you're cheap and etc. Be careful when you try to go lower than the girls rate.

But I am trying to be "nice" lately, so I will ask you instead of telling you.

guys who do this very thing on a local website.  Then they complain when the girl leaves this area and goes somewhere else.  They are too dumb to understand cause and effect.  

In a conceptual sense, one could say time is "invaluable" because once a unit of time passes it can never be recaptured. In another sense, as you've stated, it can be the value you place on your own time. But the reality, I would argue, is that the (monetary) value of anyone's time is completely dependent on what others will pay for it. Here's an example: A brand new, top-of-their-class, lawyer takes out a loan to open a fancy downtown office. Obviously, there are a lot of expenses to cover but, full of self-confidence from their academic success, they advertise an hourly rate of $1,000. The market, however, has a different idea as no one is willing to pay that rate for an untested lawyer with no track record. It doesn't matter how much they think their time is worth, or what their overhead is, it ain't gonna happen. Here's another illustration- if you kept your rates the same but decreased your level of service, eventually the market would recognize that fact and you'd be hard pressed to maintain those rates. While I'm sure you're excellent and worth every penny, the point I'm making is that the value of anyone's time is set by the market's perception of that value. That's true for doctors, lawyers, providers, etc. Buyers are only willing to pay for something they perceive as being of value to them. If a willing buyer and a willing seller agree on a certain level of valuation, then (and only then) a transaction takes place.

Which is simply this - How does one place a value on the "invaluable?" The use of the various price levels was intended as an illustration of the inconsistency of a "self-based" valuation model. For a fuller discussion of my argument re market-based determination, see my response to Camille. Also, your last statement of "take it or leave it," is exactly in line with my argument because that's exactly what happens in a free market.

Plus I'm betting you don't consider it "selling your vagina" either. Sure we know our clients are expecting and we want to provide a fantastic time. That's where we get our repeat biz from.

I just block guys who do this. They are surely entitled to this behavior but it automatically makes them someone I don't want to see. In my experience these guys are also total boundary pushers and annoying. And even if they weren't I still wouldn't want to see them.  

I can't find the on-line articles at the moment (TOR is being blocked), but I found the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABM20X0iZg

Some may have luck at it, but I'll never attempt to negotiate rates. Just my view....but a provider who's worth seeing, doesnt have slow days...unless it's her choice. If shes willing to cut rates, it may not be the best bang for the buck on the long run...
That type stuff is best tried on SB's, who are short and rents due tomorrow...
If I cant pay sticker, I better find a cheaper ride.

Is finding a provider at your range and not acting like a fool. Wtf is wrong with you? Seriously,  what makes you think that someone who charges whatver they feel  comfortable with,would ever be ok with charging less than what is listed on their ad/site.

"What makes you think that someone who charges whatver they feel  comfortable with,would ever be ok with charging less than what is listed on their ad/site."

and if Im in a bitchy mood would tell you "save up"  

If I was, I would've shared it.

“you don’t eat when you’re working from home?”

Yes to some extent I agree. Not always true though.
I can think of several clothing brands where the (less than average) quality does not match the (higher level) price but they are still selling well (usually due to excellent branding/high profile ambassadors)

The value one places on one's own time is certainly one of those, but it's not the only one and it doesn't have final and absolute say over other factors. The quality of the service itself, the value placed on that service by prospective buyers, as well as things like geographic location and level of competition, are all part of the mix. Pricing is one of the most esoteric concepts any business has to deal with. It's always possible to cite anecdotes where one variable or another predominates, but my point is simply that it's about much more than just what somebody thinks their time is worth.

Before I knew better, meaning, before I got on here, my first experience was with a girl on the strip in Vegas. She was so fucking hot, but I didn't know any better about shit. I was with a buddy walking back from one place to the other and she was gorgeous as fuck. She wanted 5 for an hour and said no. Then 4 and said no. Settled on 3 and went from there.

Maybe the gents don't want to pay champagne prices for beer?

Inever negotiate about regular dates. the price is the price.  I appreciate that it is out there and that i can take it or leave it.  i feel like negotiating in a situation like that will just spoil the fun and kill the atmosphere.  

Beer . . . Champagne . . . they've both got bubbles

And who are you to judge the relative, intrinsic worth of a bubbly beverage? Besides, if beer wants to masquerade as champagne, there's historic precedent for that.

If you're in Vegas and you happen to run into a hot CG, then hell yeah negotiate. Beat the shit out of it. She'll start with the 5-600, you'll counter with some sad sack story and offer 150 or around there. That's part of the allure, it's expected. But you need to be careful as there's no guarantee that all will end well. You have to know how to read people and remember where you're at. Know your audience.
Now if I make plans with a well reviewed young lady and she has a website where her rate is listed, then I would NEVER negotiate. Her price is her price. If I can't do it, then I'll just move along....Lots to select from in Vegas or LA.
Now I normally book 2 hours, and if there isn't a 2 hour rate listed on her site then I'll ask what her two rate is. Now if she's, say 500 an hour and  if she subscribes to hooker math of  2X500=700 then I'm in. If she comes back with a  2X500=1000, then I'll pass, or I'll give it strong consideration and depending on how I feel about meeting this young lady....I guess you can call this "quietly" negotiating.

SolaLove I am such a huge fan of your's! Have been for sooo long! Once I saw your name in this I forgot what the hell it is about. All I want is if you'd let me meet you and spend not enough time with you. Please?...

I don’t negotiate I have a rule I live by I will never pay more per hour then what I make in a day(500.00)which is to bad I had to stop seeing some awesome providers because they up there donation above the 500.00 a hour I adopted this rule when I seen a couple of providers back in 2018 one for 900.00 and another for 700.00 and the one for 900.00 was terrible and the one for 700.00 was no better then some of the 300 to 400 providers!!

While I’m not an old hand at this (and certainly not a “hobbyist”), I’ve been seeing The Ladies since Nov 2017, so I /do/ have a bit of experience.

Most importantly here ~ are you a distant relative of Guy Smiley? 😋  

if you cant pay the price,then you better think twice!...would it be okay if the woman you were seeing wanted to negotiate for 2 extra inches??...you are visiting someone doing their business ...really,if they were blown away by the service YOU were offering....then maybe...maybe....maybe....