My questions is do you follow normal dating patterns in real life as well as in this hobby?
Example Below. On a 3rd date with someone outside of the hobby I would usually take them out to dinner than a sporting event, concert or Broadway Show than would end back up in bed. Would you do this date with someone on a 3rd date in this world or do you keep it separate and maybe do a Dave and Busters and something not as extravagant or something similarThis is TER...where guys seeking to phuck women and leave tend to log on.
This isn't a dating site!
Example Below.
On a 3rd date with someone outside of the hobby I would usually take them out to dinner than a sporting event, concert or Broadway Show than would end back up in bed.
Would you do this date with someone on a 3rd date in this world or do you keep it separate and maybe do a Dave and Busters and something not as extravagant or something similar?
I understand this isn't a dating site but that doesn't mean you can't take the girl out nice.
Others have no interest in being seen with johns in public.
You sound like you're a Captain Save-A-Hoe.
If you want to actually date a SW...just ask her if she'd like to go out with you. I'm sure it'll work out 
I'm sure it will work out two thanks for the friendly advise. Much appreciated.
it is not supposed to follow The Book, by any means.
In any case, I decide to take a certain provider out to concerts, movies, plays, etc. based on what I feel like doing, and not on any account of what I feel I must do to follow dating rules.
The difference is: The former is plot, the latter is ploy
Good insight Mr Fisher.
once you take the provider/client to the next level it is often difficult to go back to p4p on a clock ...
i have a lot of experience with this...and i have recently come to conclusion that is often best to keep things simple...asking somebody out may ruin things more often than not....
yes, you are hoping that you guys will click and there will be something special but often it gets worse
here some of examples from my experience when client asked to hang off of the clock and i said yes....
example 1: a guy i had a couple of sessions with and had great time with asked me out...we had great chemistry in bed and great times...he was well-educated and intelligent, i said yes...i thought why not....he took me to upscale place, during the dinner his PDA towards me would not stop, he kept on caressing my hair during the dinner, hugging me, trying to touch my behind...every body was giving us dirty looks...later he asked me out again, i said no...needless to say he never booked a session again since he felt rejected...
example 2: one of my regulars asked me out. great sex and great times every time we met. it is usually an hour session with him. so not much time to talk, just fucking,kissing,cuddling...so we go out and he starts talking politics...and says things like we should just drop a huge bomb on Syria ....i am like but there are innocent children there, i am not sure that such a radical option is a real solution....and he is like but children are dying there anyways, our safety is at most important...anyways, it killed for me. i could not look at him the same way again, knowing that he is so extreme...
example 3. a few guys i agreed to go out with, somehow right away expect a freebie ...and it can be really f*ckin awkward trying to explain to them that i am not going to put out in exchange for a dinner...usually i do not hear from them again....
bottom line: by hanging out of the clock with a client/provider you can gain amazing friend and special bond, but often times you might find out facts about your ATF that will scare you off for good...Moreover, it is can be awkward to try go back on the clock when it is time to provide lol
it is less head and heart ace if to keep it a traditional p4
I would pay her rate I'm not asking for time off the clock.
I'm sorry I thought I made that clear
especially if you are a pretty girl, guys will say anything on the first date to fuck you and you usually do not hear back from them again...
if you don't give it up on the first date, they will keep on asking you out till they get in you...then 85% of guys take off as well...
and since i date guys over 40, they all have so much baggage such as frat kids, ex-wifes, bisexual sugar babies that won't quit texting them and asking for $$, or they work 80 hours a week and somehow hoping to have a traditional relationship?!
as i mentioned many times before, most of us are here because hobby make things much easier....
It's not my goal to have sex with a civilian on a first date in the real world. I won't sleep with her on the second date either I hobby when I'm not getting any from anyone in the real world. A girl from the club isnt classified as either and anything can happen with them on a first date. By date three I know if I have a future with the civilian and than it can take up to three months before the clothes come off.
I don't have any such cut and fast rules where it comes to getting laid. I have jumped into the sack within less than an hour of meeting some civvie women and it's taken weeks or even months with other women.
What is the purpose of all these rules? I am much more of a person who takes things as they come.
I will say most of my "first dates" with hookers I have already had sex with rarely lead to sex on said "first date" I always make it clear when dating a hooker, or even when going out on any OTC date with a hooker that the date is purely "sex optional" and that she will need to initiate any unpaid sex. I usually further inform her that I am "Always" willing to have sex with her, but out of respect I won't initiate it expect during our paid sessions. I suppose that means I have rules too, go figure. lol
A typical civvie won't have sex until after you have taken her out (for dinner or whatever) at least three times.
A typical (incall) hooker won't get into your car until after she has fucked your brains out at least three times.
Let nature takes it's course, don't get me wrong I would love for a man in the hobby to take me out and get paid for it, however, you can not treat the hobby world like the dating world. So I would say no, when you are dating on the 3rd date take it slow,have FUN. Do dave and busters (which I love) go to concerts and keep it funny (In the dating world) In the hobby world you find someone you click with don't go crazy spending all this money if you know nothing will transpire, 3rd date go out for a meal (at most remember time is money) or get her lingerie, don't spook any provider and don't let providers take advantage of you. A guy like you a lot of providers will put on a rotisserie with that huge heart, you crazy. A session is ALL about you. You are seeing a provider for a purpose and you are dating and getting into a relationship for another purpose.
I have had dinner dates with at least three providers (two of them a number of times) but nothing was off the clock. In each case I was hungry and wanted dinner company and the provider was introducible to anyone I might have met with a believable story about who she was. The time fir dinner etc was included in the fee.
Only times that were off the clock incurred on 3 separate occasions. during which a provider with whom I already had an excellent relationship slept over in my apartment for convenience and no unpaid-for-sex was involved. I had a great place on the water and a very easy and short cab ride to Newark Airport. On the three occasions a provider wanted to get an early flight out and did not want to pay for a hotel room in Manhattan or a long cab ride to the airport. Twice I paid for a usual date with sex but we did not sleep together and I gave her breakfast and there was a cab waiting. Once there was no date at all, she arrived late, went right to sleep, and got breakfast and the cab in the AM.
(I was living alone in NY my family was in my home city, and I had nothing like a social life but was making a great deal of money so I hobbied much more and I was hungry for a feeling of friendship even, of course, paid for.
2 different worlds.
In one you pay for the date
the other you pay for their time
is a Dave and Busters? Anyway.
If she’s into that kind of scene (whatever it is), then take her. But since there are two of you, and (hopefully), you want her to have a good time…ask her what she’s into, without trying to plant the answer (like, ‘I really like Dave and Busters. It’s really nice and has great nachos. Would you be OK if we go there this time? Do you like nachos?’). (Personally, I hate nachos but would agree to go, as it’s your time and your dime)
I don’t know any dating rule that says that after the Nth (or Nrd) date, you should just drop the effort, and take her to any old place. Dates should be activities that you both (truly) enjoy together. Taking her to a nice place shows that you want time with her to feel special…aka, you care. You want to see an awed look on her face when she takes in a beautiful ambiance, and you want to relish her smile as she savors each delicious (expensive, but worth it) bite. (In other words, you are the type of person who likes to treat a girl well…just for the sake of making her happy, and not to impress her). It’s also an intensely sensual experience for you both to share, that serves in many ways as a prelude to the sensations that might hopefully come afterward. It’s not just some random rule, there is a philosophy behind it. But, as you get to know one another, you may find that you both enjoy food venues aside from expensive Italian restaurants. So, if, after date 1 (or two , or whenever) your girl tells you she loves Wendy’s…as long as you do too, take her there, and bond over french fries.
As for me… I had one dinner date at a chain restaurant. This guy did the opposite of what you did. I guess he wasn’t sure how I’d be in person, and he didn’t want to show up at a fancy restaurant with Skanka daTramp. After the first date, we went to some nicer places. I wasn’t too thrilled with the chain venue, but I kept my mouth shut and praised the greasy food to the high heavens. But, I definitely look forward to our dates much more now that the venues have been upgraded…and, I SO appreciate his effort to make our time together feel special.
(I wasn’t sure how to dress for our first date. I mean, I wanted to dress to the nines and make a good impression for a new client…but, I couldn’t exactly wear my best Go-Go-Barbie Dinner Date outfit to, like, Carabbba’s.)
Dave & Buster’s is a chain restaurant where you can also watch sports and play electronic games (it has an arcade section). It’s not going to be an elegant experience for most adults, and will not make most ladies feel “special.
don't need the cameraman focusing on an attractive woman (my date) with me sitting next to her. Too many others could see that photo and wonder about me sitting next to such an attractive woman. I don't need these questions being asked.