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Price Point Optimization
colguy1981 3491 reads
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1 / 84

I was wondering about this, particularly as we have seen an increase in prices over the last 3 years or so. So I guess this question is more geared towards providers as I wanted to know if they have done some sort of quantitative analysis to determine what is the best price point to maximize their income.

Obviously this would assume that they don't have any issues with the number of clients they see on any given day that they are available (i.e. whether they see 1 client or 6-10). Certainly a lot harder to see a large number of clients, more risk, longer hours, etc. But putting that aside for the moment, have ladies figured out what is the perfect price point to maximize income, particularly considering fixed costs like lodging, etc.?

I can't imagine that a lady that has an hourly rate of 2k sees the same number of clients per day compared to one that charges $500 an hour.  

Certainly there is no right or wrong answer as each lady should charge whatever they want. Just curious as its a business but the difference in prices is so large that just makes me wonder who is better of financially...the ladies charging 2k or the ones charging 500.

inicky46 61 Reviews 106 reads
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2 / 84

Some are very smart. Others use what some of us call "hooker math," which makes no rational sense.
Go figya.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 80 reads
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3 / 84

cash flow.  Get the cash flow up and THEN think about how to maximize profits and see where you can cut expenses and overhead.  It's hard to make a profit from a mediocre cash flow.  Cash flow gives you more option's on where and how to maximize your profits.  If your business model is so tenuous or undercapitalized that you have to figure this out before you start, then there is a high percentage you will fail.  The good news when failing in P4P is that you can always go to work for an agency and give them a share of your cash pie.  (no pun intended).  

herbtcat 6 Reviews 76 reads
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4 / 84

Even the most robust, detailed, objective, and thorough analysis can crash and burn against local market conditions.  

 
Any provider who can consistently reconcile their optimization plan with unpredictable market conditions should hang up her see-through panties and get a job as a Fortune 100 analyst. The pay will be even better... and she can actually keep the panties. :P  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

RespectfulRobert 86 reads
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5 / 84

Of course there are exceptions, but I think that holds true in most cases. Anecdotally, at least, that is what I have found.  
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Now, generally speaking, I would agree the provider charging 2k is most likely seeing fewer clients than girls charging 75% less, but isn't that the point? Their date inquiries, dates and closing percentage don't need to be anywhere near that of a provider where this lifestyle is their sole source of income.  
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And then we always have to consider in the fact that camming, personalized vids, OF, etc all adds income where no in person visit is required at all, and that just adds to the profitability mix. I believe those options ladies now have at their disposal, is an under mentioned reason as to why rates have climbed so dramatically in recent years.

hehitshewins 124 reads
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6 / 84

I would imagine more clients at a lower price point will make the most. We're assuming this is the same lady. If you're at $500 and highly sought after, 6 or more in a day certainly can be done. That's 3k or more. At 1k, she would need 3 in a day. It's harder at 1k to average 3 a day. Move that up to 1.5k, and averaging 2 a day is likely also hard at that amount. But that $500 might be able to toogle up to $700 and pull 4-5 clients still. That's if they even want that many clients.

 
Providers tend to increase their rates based on demand. If demand is too high at a rate, it makes sense to move it up. However, some providers no matter how much money they make, don't want 4, 5, or 6 clients a day. Say a provider never wants to see more than one client in a day. The smart move is to find the highest price point that will still net her one client a day. Not all of them need to max their money. Some may have a target amount that is lower than the max they can make that brings them comfort without having to reach maximum demand.

 
Typically, some of the higher priced ladies, such as the 1.5k and above ones, see escorting as extra income that they do not badly need. They do porn, Onlyfans, and/or other things for income. They're not looking to break the bank with escorting, but have an "it's worth it price" and know they will get some clients.

 
One provider I saw has a job that requires lots of travel. She only sees clients when she is on the road. And, she has work commitments, so her availability is limited. In most cases, the days she is available, she only wants to see one client. And, she will have time limits some days and may prefer a client for no more than 2 hours. Her day job pays the bills. She sees this as extra income that is nice and she does not need. She certainly wants clients, but never that many. Since her travel for work can literally mean 1 or 2 days in a city, she also has little flexibility. And, she prefers to book a client or two in advance and be done with it. She wants it simple. So, she chooses a price point that means she is likely to book a client or two when traveling, but doesn't need her inbox overloaded with requests.

 
Bottom line, there are many factors and each lady will have different ones.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 106 reads
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7 / 84

The sweet spot depends on the location and the price to rent a one bedroom apartment in that location. To maximize profits the provider should be charging 1/3 of that cost. Example: the average rent of a one bedroom apartment in Los Angeles is $2,200. A price point between $700-$750 would be optimal for that location. Average one bedroom in Wausau, WI (where I live!) is around $800, so I charge slightly more using this formula. Now....obviously a lot of other variables going on here. Looks and age of provider, niche services offered, as well as saturation of providers in that area are all factors to consider. More competition=lower provider cost and vice versa (usually!!) And if the provider has another revenue source she is not going to be completely relying on this revenue stream to pay her bills so she may not be using this formula. And as always, it is not how much money you make but how much money you spend. This industry can be fast, easy money and unfortunately some providers also live their lives that way. They may not have a lot to show for all of the cash they made if they spend it as fast as they made it. In the end to make the optimal profits you have to treat it like an actual job. And as to who is doing "better" you would have to look at the P & L statement, not the car she drives or the purse she carries. Good question!!  

edinathens 121 reads
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8 / 84

You were an accountant in another life.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 90 reads
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9 / 84

Please, do tell us the explanation of this "hooker math" that makes no rational sense. I have seen this term thrown around before and the explanation I was given made less sense than the amount the provider was charging. Pray tell good sir.

brownjack 134 reads
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10 / 84

I'd guess that a lot of providers do this analysis.  Some formally.  But others, intuitively.

 
As previously mentioned, If a provider is busier than she'd like, she can raise her price and throttle the demand.  I'm often surprised at how it doesn't occur to some very popular ladies (thank goodness) that they could increase their rate.  The flip side of course is if they are not making enough, they can lower their rate and increase their demand.

 
But, as also mentioned here, there can be limiting factors (location, age, appearance, availability, offerings, etc.) on how high a provider can raise her rate.  The cruel reality is that not everyone is going to get 2K.  I imagine that there are plenty of ladies who optimistically enter this business only to learn that they need other income streams as well.

inicky46 61 Reviews 84 reads
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11 / 84

I suggest, dear Madam, you do a search for "hooker math."
It should be quite a treasure trove.

420Smoka4Eva 113 reads
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12 / 84

Scarlet(t), this is one of those things you have a hard time imagining it because you don't engage in the behavior and are a rational person. Also you aren't a client, but clients understand it immediately.  Hooker math is a (derogatory) term that describes pricing structures that don't make sense because the pricing structure is based on the whim's of the individual provider and not based on norms of the market place and client expectations. It usually refers to haphazard pricing structures and incongruent information.
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One example is inconsistent pricing per hour. Most providers (like yourself) structure their prices to incentivize longer bookings, which results in a lower price per hour. Longer dates cost more but the average  rate usually decreases with longer bookings. Some providers have rate structures that average out inconsistently. A two hour date might be cheaper than both a 90 minute and a 4 hour date. Sometimes these longer dates cost more AND come with the expectation you buy the lady a nice dinner. Another example comes down to add-ons and certain limits. A provider may be  willing to do XYZ for $$$ but no ABC (unless for $$$$ secretly). Every provider is free to set their boundaries and prices. Sometimes we just find them funny and joke about it.

impposter 49 Reviews 103 reads
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13 / 84

Here is one example of "hooker math":
1 hr $500
1.5 hr $700 (a discount on a straight 1.5 x 500 = 750, save $50! Whoo Hoo! How about 2 hrs?)
2 hr $1100 (Huh? What? A PREMIUM over and above 2 x 500 = 1000? And extrapolating the 90 minute rate would be only $933 for 2 hours!)  
"I'd like to schedule two 1 hr sessions from 2pm-3pm AND 3pm-4pm for $1000, OK?"
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What does that rate structure mean? She prefers 90 min sessions over 60 min but wants to discourage 120 min sessions? That is hooker math that doesn't seem to make sense to many of us.
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Rather than post separately to the OP, I'll add here:
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Search General for Freakonomics (there are at least 10 posts by impposter alone!). Here are a couple:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/freakonomics-talks-about-this-topic-963279
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/freakonomics-of-prostitution--897117
and lots of additional discussion in all of the Freakonomics threads.  
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One of the Freakonomics topics is how to set rates.  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hABM20X0iZg
And other Freakonomics links and videos.
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There are also threads on Costs, Expenses and Rates - do your own searching on General or Newbie.
Providers AND Clients have to figure the correct balance.  
Provider: Hotel room, adverts, appearance (cosmetics) / clothing (dry cleaning), hair / nails / waxing, travel (local and / or touring), some buy candles, soaps, snacks, etc., for their guests ... and other costs. The rate should cover those expenses PLUS some profit.
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Client: time away from work; pre-meeting prep (shower at gym, etc.); travel, parking, TOTAL time commitment needed for a one hour meeting (often = 2 to 4 hours!) ... Cost versus No Show
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Etc.

Posted By: WIMissScarlet
Re: I'm sure some girls do this analysis but I'll bet many don't.
Please, do tell us the explanation of this "hooker math" that makes no rational sense. I have seen this term thrown around before and the explanation I was given made less sense than the amount the provider was charging. Pray tell good sir.

inicky46 61 Reviews 74 reads
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14 / 84
3724235 127 reads
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15 / 84

I used to see someone who overall her rates were low to comparable ladies. She was damn near a 10 and did everything. She was in a situation where she wasn’t always available to work. So by staying lower she always had tons of inquiries that gave her the flexibility. She wasn’t able to tour much. I used to read about guys mentioning she was hard to get a hold of. Now that she is able to work more she really raised her rates and it cut down the amount of inquires. However, I’m sure she is doing better than before with less meetings. That works if you are hot as fuck and have a reputation of being fantastic 😆

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 75 reads
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16 / 84

This is a great example but it of course begs the question: has anyone actually asked the specific provider about this pricing structure and why? If the provider's answer is just random then yes, I would agree there is no real thought that went into the structure. When guys just say "oh, that is hooker math" because they do not understand the rationale so they assume the provider is just too dumb to understand math is where I need more information. And for the example you gave, I personally get it. I only advertise 60 or 90 min dates. I do not want to spend more time than that with a new client that I may have no desire to see again.  Some providers may feel the same way but instead they offer the 2 hour option, but for them they want a higher price point to get through the 2 hours. Unless you are actually asking the provider for her explanation throwing the term "hooker math" around just makes guys look smug. There are for sure things clients do and say that leave me scratching my head, but instead of just assuming they are all round heads (or slobbyists!!) I have found it best to just ask rather than assume.

inicky46 61 Reviews 78 reads
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17 / 84

That's just likely to offed her. By the same token, I won't haggle for a discount the way an infamous former member here claimed to do.
If I feel the rate is fair I'll pay it. If not, move on to the next one.

blue5361 189 Reviews 133 reads
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18 / 84

The problem with Scarlett’s analysis is that apartment price really has no bearing on what you can charge. That mostly depends on how hot you are, your skills and what level of service you can provide. I would first figure out price range, services and number of weekly sessions I want to provide.  Next I would work on skills from start to finish of the session to make a man feel satisfied and desired. I would work up my menu and marketing based on what I have to offer. I would provide in the least expensive way I’m comfortable with to start, home, hotel, Airbnb etc.  As CDL said, first get some cash coming in, then tweak the model to maximize profits. Test various locations, and if one is more profitable lock something down in that area. Consider beauty upgrades. I know a slender hottie in LA who got a nice pair of bolt-ons and was able to increase her hourly rate by $200 per session! Now there’s an ROI (and new pair) to be admired! I think most providers ,except super hot ones, probably have a range of $200-300+/- that they can realistically charge while maintaining some minimum acceptable cash flow. I would always be thinking about how to tweak things to increase profitability. Of course I’m a business person and this is providing!

impposter 49 Reviews 121 reads
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19 / 84

I see your point ... and I raise you one more point.
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There have been quite a few posts by guys who report, "I sent her an email to ask "Q" and she wrote back, 'How dare you ask me that? You are banned and blocked. Do not ever contact me again!' Huh? What did I do?"
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Many times the Qs ARE inappropriate or poorly phrased but I can see the same thing happening with this topic. "How come your 2 hour rate is more than 2x your 1 hour rate?" "ARE YOU CALLING ME STUPID? Blocked! Do not call me again!"  And variations, some of which are innocent but many of which send the "Are you calling me dumb?" vibe.  
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Maybe such Qs should be asked DURING or AFTER the first meeting? "We had a good time, right? But I really need to know ... What's up with your "hooker math" rate structure?"

Posted By: WIMissScarlet
Re: I'm sure some girls do this analysis but I'll bet many don't.
This is a great example but it of course begs the question: has anyone actually asked the specific provider about this pricing structure and why? If the provider's answer is just random then yes, I would agree there is no real thought that went into the structure. When guys just say "oh, that is hooker math" because they do not understand the rationale so they assume the provider is just too dumb to understand math is where I need more information. And for the example you gave, I personally get it. I only advertise 60 or 90 min dates. I do not want to spend more time than that with a new client that I may have no desire to see again.  Some providers may feel the same way but instead they offer the 2 hour option, but for them they want a higher price point to get through the 2 hours. Unless you are actually asking the provider for her explanation throwing the term "hooker math" around just makes guys look smug. There are for sure things clients do and say that leave me scratching my head, but instead of just assuming they are all round heads (or slobbyists!!) I have found it best to just ask rather than assume.

paigesavage See my TER Reviews 84 reads
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20 / 84

This is a great question and you’re right, it is a business. Therefore, on the backend, it should be treated as such.  

 
Pricing strategy in this industry is part math, part energy, part market positioning. Yes, someone charging $2K/hour likely sees fewer clients per day than someone charging $500. But the equation isn’t just rate x number of clients.  

 
The equation really should be: (Rate × Volume) – (Time, Burnout, Risk, Expenses, Brand Dilution)

 
At higher price points, you tend to:

- See fewer people, which reduces physical/emotional exhaustion and risk
- Have more time per client, increasing connection and retention
- Attract clients who value discretion, exclusivity, and experience
- Sustain your business longer without burning out

 
I’ve tested multiple price points across different cities and tiers of service over the last few years. After analyzing the patterns and data, I raised my rates, focused more on extended engagements, and filtered more intentionally. The result? I worked fewer hours, earned more, and experienced significantly better client chemistry.

 
That said, not every market supports $1K+ rates and not every provider wants that kind of brand. Some prefer volume. Others prefer exclusivity. The real sweet spot isn’t a fixed number it’s the price at which you’re booked consistently by clients you enjoy (& can support yourself), without compromising your health, safety, or long-term vision.

 
So who’s better off financially? That depends on how you define wealth. Is it just money or is it money + time + alignment + longevity?

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 116 reads
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21 / 84

Ug....I hate when I have to admit you guys throw back some good points.  lol  
And as Eva pointed out before, I do look at things as to how I would think about them as a provider. So yes, there are for sure some providers that when you ask about the rates will get offended by the question.  
I *have* been asked why I do not have a 2 hour + date listed on my website and I am honest that I only spend extended dates with gents that I have seen before and enjoy their time.  
On the flip side providers that offer that structure may only offer the 2 hour (more expensive) option for new clients but offer the lower (60 min and 90 min) option for repeat clientele.
 I do also offer a 30 min option for some of my repeat gents so they can visit on their lunch hour, but this would not be an option I would advertise for new clients regardless of the price point, just like the 2+ hour option.  
So in the end providers are different as to how they run their businesses and pricing structures, but without further information as to *why* a particular provider charges what she does the term "hooker math" just does not hold water.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 82 reads
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22 / 84

Thank you for your response, I also have a degree in business! And as I stated in my post a provider can charge what ever they want. The example I gave about rent is a good barometer to determine mid range pricing for a market area. As to the example you gave about the "beauty upgrades" again, a provider can charge whatever they want, that does not mean they are actually making the extra $. Your example of ROI would only be accurate if the provider stated she was booking 5 clients a week at her previous rate (say $500) so that would be $2500 a week and now at $700 (with implants) she is booking 4+ clients a week ($2800+). Now we also need to consider the average cost of implants in the US is $6,000, so not including the time she had to take off to recuperate, at the extra $200 she would need to see 30 clients to make up the cost of the surgery at her new rate. Now if she is seeing less (say only 3 clients a week at the new rate, so $2100 a week) her ROI would not be good.  So again, ROI is not just charging more, there are a lot more variables to consider.   A provider could be "super hot" (your words lol) and could be charging $500 but if she is super flaky and not a good provider her "super hotness" is only going to take her so far. Looks, age, personality, location, and marketing all play an equal role in how successful a provider can be in this industry. And yes, if she is not getting the business she wants there are lots of variables to consider including the actual price point.

hehitshewins 82 reads
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24 / 84

Good point on the wellness. I think that is key for being able to maintain emotional intellegence. Some of the ladies I have seen that are chugging through clinets often come across as lacking emotion and the ability to emotionally connect. Their service feels scripted and/or robotic. It's often why I struggle to rate a lady higher with service.

 
On the flip side, a lady who takes her time with me and connects emotionally, everything that follows is better. There have been a few occasions where I wished I had booked 30 minutes or an hour longer. I simply enjoyed the providers presence. A provider that maintains her wellness and therefore is more emotionally balanced is more likely to get repeat clinets and longer sessions. I'm sure it's easier to see one guy for 3 hours than it is to see 2 guys over the course of 3 hours, especially when that one guy is a returning client vs. the 2 guys beeing noob clients.

helixir 54 Reviews 123 reads
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25 / 84

So many small businesses get stung by the fact that they just didn't really develop a business plan before they opened their doors--it ain't just providers.  

I am sure there are ladies who looked at their overhead costs, factored in a desired profit rate, and looked at the "market data" (such as it is). But if your average small biz is any indicator, I think many don't. I run out of fingers and toes when I try to count the number of small shops and restaurants that opened and closed within 12 months in my area.  So many seemed to think "I love making (pies, jewelry, hats, objets d'art, etc) and people love what I do, so I'll just start a business."  And given the fact that this biz is still illegal in 49 states and has a meaningful risk to safety and health, I think a successful provider has to be way more savvy than your average retailer.  I'd love to hear from more providers who have managed to make this a financially successful endeavor about whether I'm close to the mark.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 92 reads
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26 / 84

Possible, I am just perplexed why he would attempt to brag about having a business background with that example he gave about ROI. It would be like McDonald's spending a billion dollars to redo all of their restaurants and then someone saying "now McDonalds charges twice as much for a Big Mac after their billion dollar upgrades! What an incredible ROI!" I think even someone with basic to no knowledge of business or economics would be left scratching their heads. That is not how it works.....

RespectfulRobert 84 reads
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27 / 84

How true. There does seem to be a correlation with the women I see at the higher price points, as they tend to have a more cavalier attitude about the clock. I think they view the date more as an "event" rather than a specific block of time. Even dates when we go slightly past the agreed upon time, I am almost always offered a shower, told not to worry about the time, as the woman will invariably say she was caught up in convo too, she was the one asking me questions, we were enjoying the last of our drinks, etc.  
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I don't ever expect to go beyond the allowed, time regardless of the fee, as I do check a few times with the lady with a "how we doing on time?" query now and then. But when we happen to do so, its nice to know I wont be rushed out the door and certainly that goes to client retention with me as I so appreciate that and don't take it for granted.
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That might not be exactly what you meant Paige, but the higher charging providers, in my experience, seem to want it to be more of a luxury outing, as they most likely don't have a guy waiting after I leave, and they want me to seek a return visit with them in the future.

OldRanger 62 Reviews 94 reads
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28 / 84

Think the business plan for many is seeing the rates others are charging a then their ego itself worth comes into play and says- “ X is worth $$ then I am worth $$?   or more-  
Not a lot different than the sports teams of America.

impposter 49 Reviews 85 reads
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29 / 84

You beat me to it, about needing to know both R and I to determine the ROI.

Posted By: WIMissScarlet
... Now we also need to consider the average cost of implants in the US is $6,000, so not including the time she had to take off to recuperate, at the extra $200 she would need to see 30 clients to make up the cost of the surgery at her new rate. ...
But she might have gone to Dr. Nick to save some money on the boob job!
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And let me repeat: Check out the Freakonomics guys on the Economics of Prostitution, including rates. Some links are posted above or just search "Freakonomics" in General.

-- Modified on 7/30/2025 10:28:54 AM

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 98 reads
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30 / 84

I actually have their book! And yes, they do have a pretty detailed section on prostitution, but if I remember correctly the book came out in the mid 2000s. And their study was on a very targeted section of street sex workers. The industry is just so very different now with the internet. I also have "An economist walks into a brothel" which came out in 2018 or 2019 and talks about legal brothels, but even that would be considered obsolete in terms of sex work at this point. Maybe time for a new study!!!

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 85 reads
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31 / 84

YES! Everything you said is correct. It is a small business and to be successful you have to run it as such. And yes, I was poking holes at the guy's comments on ROI, but this is something that all providers should be asking. Do I NEED to get breast implants to make more money? Get hair and eye lash extensions? Get my nails done every week? Get all those extra toys and outfits? Is the $300-$500 I am spending a month on ad sites really bringing me that much more money than if I post free ads? How often should I post on social media? WHAT should I post? How often should I follow up with my current client list to see if they want to rebook? Should I offer a discount as an incentive? Should I tour? WHERE should I tour? How much do I need to make to pay all my bills a month? How much do I need to make to put money away for savings/retirement? I am a 45 year old average looking whore that lives in the middle of no where Wisconsin. There is really no logical reason I am as successful as I am besides my solid business knowledge.  Like everything else in life it is the 80/20 rule. 20% is about your looks/personality, 80% is about good business practices. You can make a lot of fast money in this industry, but if you don't have the 80% business model to back it up your sex work business is going to crash and burn or never take off at all.

brownjack 100 reads
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32 / 84

Years back, I attended a business seminar in the line of business that I was in at the time.  For three days, the speaker presented slides, spoke eloquently and answered questions about his experience growing a business from a single location to a dozen.  At the end of the third day, he revealed the "secret" to his success:  "Raise your prices!"

 
Don't race to the bottom to compete with everyone else.  Provide a premium service, and charge a premium price.  Let the low-ball customers go somewhere else.

 
The other "secret" that was not explicit, but that I intuited from the whole experience was:  Don't provide a service (escorting, dog walking, basket weaving, etc.).  Get a couple dozen suckers to crowd into a hotel ballroom and pay you a couple thousand dollars to listen to you ramble on about your own success.

hehitshewins 108 reads
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33 / 84

I can’t begin to tell you how high the percentage of women I have seen in this business that I cannot have a conversation with. Some, it’s their English. Some, it’s their lack of interest. Some, are just not too bright. Some, just cannot relate or connect with me. And even if they look good and the sex is good, my interest in them comes and goes by the time our session is done. I’m more likely to repeat or book a longer session if you can carry a conversation. It’s pretty clear from your posts that you have no problem carrying a conversation. I imagine that brings some of your clients back. Any provider with enough practice can get good at the sex part. But the conversation part, IMO, isn’t just about practicing. It’s about your personality and wit. And if you don’t have that, no boob, ass, or lip job will fix it.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 92 reads
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34 / 84

Thank you,  that was very nice of you to say that about me. I really appreciate your kind words!
And considering there is no way in hell I am ever getting a boob, ass, or lip job good conversation it shall be!!  :)

inicky46 61 Reviews 81 reads
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35 / 84

I guess I've been lucky. First of all, lucky to have had most of my experiences in New York, which has long attracted some of the best women in the world. And lots of time in LV, another town that's a babe magnet. And so many of these women are very smart sexual rebels who are just fun to be with. Add to that lots of time in Costa Rica with its great buffet of chicas from all around that part of the world who love to have fun. Hot sex and dinners on the beach. You just can't beat it. And their English was plenty good enough.
My favorite line was when, after a very hot bout in Jaco I told one of them how old I was and without missing a beat she said:  
"I don' know about that, Papi, but you got an 18-year-old dick."
Yes, she might have been lying. But if you were in my shoes would you care? I sure as hell didn't.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 78 reads
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36 / 84

The ratios there might be true but I don't think that is what the 80-20 rule actually is about.

 
Oddly in this context, if we take the looks/personality as the 20% part, then that is producing 80% of your returns. Which kind of suggest all that extra work on the business plan is only getting you the addition 20% of your returns. I don't know it that is close the truth or not. I'm not suggesting someone go into this business without looking at all the cost components and thinking about the existing demand for themself as a provider (just how attractive, personality, services they are comfortable with performing...) but not sure if they should be putting 80% of their effort in the business plan/analysis.

blue5361 189 Reviews 82 reads
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37 / 84

Actually I was making light of the fact that I am a business person who knows nothing about provider economics! However, I do have a good idea about the economics of her breast implants! Here’s the math I was using; when she got implants she raised her price $200 AND she got a nice incremental boost in average weekly sessions. Let’s say she went from 7 to 10. She earned an extra $200 for 10 sessions, say $2000 per week for 40 weeks (conservative estimate of time worked). That’s $80,000 annually. Plus three additional sessions per week at $600 ( her post surgery rate) equals an extra $1,800 times 40 weeks is another $72,000. Total annual return on her boob job is  $152,000! Assume Rolls Royce job at $10,000 ( they are really nice!). Even if my stats are off by a multiple (cut all assumptions by 50%), her ROI is a thing of beauty! Forget the extra sessions, the $200 per session increase leads to a payback period of five weeks.  When I make a great investment in my business the payback is three years! By the way, she is fun, young, slender and hot! In her case, the boob job was an excellent choice and business decision.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 100 reads
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38 / 84

That you repeated it twice.  

Is it semantics or something bigger than that? Like a principle?  

In competitive markets, equilibrium price is set by the market,ie supply and demand.  

Yes, a gas station technically can charge what they want for gas, but if it's 20 bucks a gallon they'd go out of business faster than they can utter "hello Wisconsin!"

So market sets the price, really. A seller may set it nominally as a boundary but if he/she has no customers, what good does that "freedom" to "set price" give?

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 82 reads
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In simplest terms, it's that about 20% of your input in anything accounts for 80% of the output.

Ie, it's a principle that is about prioritization and

In the case of this industry, an example would be something like

 
20% of customers who are whales who take out high-tier escorts for multiple hour bookings, might account for 80% of profit a high tier escort makes.

hehitshewins 104 reads
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You’re not wrong. But in some ways it becomes a little bit of the chicken or the egg. Which came first? A savvy business person knows exactly what you’re saying and wouldn’t want to raise the bar too high and go out of business. But they can set reasonable targets/goals and come up with a plan to get there. Does this mean if the market doesn’t agree and pushes against their plan they can do it anyway? No. But would they want to knowing the consequences? Alternatively, do such plans only succeed at the whims of the market?  

 
That said, if a lady decides she can give two fucks about going out of business, she technically can set whatever price she wants. She will just have to deal with the consequences. But these are wild and unusual possibilities. I think what she actually meant is that it’s not her or our place to tell someone what their rates should be. It’s their own choice. What you’re pointing out is what a savvy provider will factor in.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 79 reads
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This is hilarious. *YOU* think she made a great decision because *YOU* like her breast implants. You have no clue if she is making more money. We can math back and forth all day but in the end you have no idea if she made a good business decision or not. You are simply going off the fact that *YOU* think she is much more attractive so you are assuming everyone else does as well. So again, *YOU* are saying she made an excellent choice and business decision but that is simply going off your feelings only, which you have right to do, but that has zero to do with how business decisions should be made.

QueenBia See my TER Reviews 84 reads
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Hooker math in mods eyes is ridiculous. Breast implants and rates assuming she does 1 hour dates. Riddle me this Batman…🦇  

What about the providers who have someone who paid in full for her breast implants, bought her a house with the deed, paid for a car in full and she only has to cater to him. Wouldn’t you raise your rates if you had a situation & only see a couple of fellas a month rather than getting burnt out by entertaining several 1 hour dates? 🙋🏽‍♀️

I personally, do not want to see lots of people. If you were a provider would you want to entertain numerous people in one day? Mental health matters.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 70 reads
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anytime you make a capital investment in a business for new or upgraded equipment, it doesn't stay new forever, so you are allowed to depreciate the value over the expected life of the equipment (in this case, beauty upgrades" as a tax deduction against your income.  If you apply the tax benefits of the depreciation you get as the equipment degrades over the span of its useful life, then she comes out better than your numbers suggest.  You should always consider the big picture, not just the initial cost.    

 
I agree with the rest of what you said, especially the intangible factors that can affect customer demand, i.e., attitude, personality, etc.

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 79 reads
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Are you asking me why I keep saying that? I feel the need to keep saying that a provider can in the end charge whatever they want because I KNOW some of the dumb fuckers that frequent this board are going to throw me under the bus and say "but Scarlet said you should be charging THIS amount!!" Regardless of what a provider charges if they are getting enough clients and enough $$ to make them happy then they are doing what is best for THEIR business. The stats I gave are to maximize profits, but that is not the goal of every provider.

inicky46 61 Reviews 80 reads
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And I know some girls do. But I wonder what percentage don't file at all. This is just a wild guess but I think the number is less than 50%.

helixir 54 Reviews 110 reads
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Sounds to me like you're very thoughtful about all this.  
And smart is sexy.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 76 reads
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The person whom she replied to clearly used "what they can charge" in reference to market. Ie, looks and skills as pertaining to demand.

 
Not in reference of actual physical or mental ability (ie, perceived power) of seller to name/set the price as they wish. Ie, the "you're not the boss of me now" syndrome.  

 
Yes, technically any seller of any service or goods in the world can set the price at any level at any point of time. Just like you said, there will be consequences. Ranging from mad people machinegunning posts on the internet (like myself) to riots and coups.

It's like saying you cant just murder many people. Semantically you can, but there will be dire consequences.

 
So to me it seems (and hence my question) that people who place emphasis (and who have business or economic degrees) on this get irked by the semantics and implication of lack of power.  

Well, yeah. It's cause they don't have the actual power to set prices. Just like clients by themselves don't either.  And yes it applies to inelastic products/services as well.  

 

We're all slaves to the market :)

-- Modified on 7/31/2025 2:53:14 PM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 82 reads
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I would agree that it's less then 50%.  The problem for them is that if they don't file, buying anything like a house or a car on payments is going to be difficult.   If they voluntarily report income from an all-cash business, they are on their way to being able to qualify for loans, buy on credit, etc., and the IRS considers this a "gift" because if she didn't report, they would probably never catch her, so by finding a profession to report under (most Kgirls I know use either "translator" or "tour guide" for Korean visitors), and making sure your reported income is within the normal range for that profession, she will pay a little tax (usually at the bottom rate after allowed deductions) in exchange for building up a credit profile that will allow to build up an investment portfolio for that retirement that is going to come someday.  A good CPA can help them set all of this up so that it is transparent enough, but mostly UTR.  Cash stuffed in a mattress is not going to grow.  A little free advice for the ladies . . . . You will never get rich saving some of the money you earn, only off the money you invest.  It's hard to get started without a tax return you can show someone.  

hehitshewins 119 reads
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Buyers and sellers (clients and escorts in this case) are the market. Escorts have a large influence over the market. So while they will struggle to get away with raising prices too much at once, they have the power to test the market. And, we have the power to not pay at certain thresholds and push prices back down. But of course this can’t be done by one person. As long as clients continue to pay increasing prices, escorts will increase them.

snafu929 20 Reviews 87 reads
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"And as Eva pointed out before, I do look at things as to how I would think about them as a provider."

i can see a little ray of sunshine sneaking thru.  

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 80 reads
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Uh yeah, market is supply (providers) and demand (clients)

Thats not the point. The point is that its kinda dumb to talk about the powet to set price to whatever in context of the market. And I thought it was peculiar how the emphasis was on that power.

Ie, yes a meth head street walker "technically" can raise her prices to one million, or billion per customer... but why is that relevant? When people say she can't raise prices that high because she lacks looks, hygiene or service they don't mean she can't literally set price to whatever. They're talking about that in context of the market, there will be zero demand.

 

I agree with you. Both clients and sellers have power to set price, as they are supply and demand curves.  

But some want the narrative pushed that only one side has the power to set the price. No. Market sets the equilibrium price. Like you said, "that can't be done by one person".

A competitive market also implies one wants to stay competitve and not go out of business. Undercutting is something that is common in competitive markets for competing businesses.

hehitshewins 131 reads
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Using the power in this situation is an interesting concept. Public legal market, things like gas, groceries, cars and houses, become news stories if they surge in either direction. They become a topic among politicians at times. You’re pretty much comfortable talking to any one about it. There are no secrets about the impacts.

 
However, escorting is not legal and most of us are not going to share our thoughts publicly with just anyone. If escorts raise their prices, and we reach a point where we decide it’s too much, there’s no news stories telling us business is down for sex providers. Initially, we’re left wondering. Maybe if prices go back down we will know it was many. But if there’s a standoff and clients give in first, we may never know that we were far from alone.

txBaseball05 4 Reviews 74 reads
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You probably answered a question that I have been pondering for some time, where have the workers gone!!??  As many if not more remote options. I would think OF has been the highest diversion from in person visits.  Even SWs can work from home!!!

brokeloser123 133 reads
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i may be a broke loser but i am an accountant and used to audit businesses

it was understood with most businesses that for each dollar of PRICE, 1/3 was overhead and costs, 1/3 was salaries, and 1/3 was profit. Give or take of course. it is more complex for other industries.

price of course is supply and demand - you charge the most you can without losing customers

in this business, i am sure not every provider looks at it the way i said - it might be “i want to see ten dudes a month and i get that by charging 800 an hour and i still have the time and energy for my regular job and life”

which is fine, but if you crunch the numbers it will be roughly a third

but more importantly, she actually gets 10 dudes that pay her 800 an hour based on her marketing (ie is she hot?)

if she fits the global ideal of beauty (blonde, white, slender, 20s, large breasts), 800 may be too low and her phone is ringing off the hook (figuratively speaking) so she can jack up her rates to 1200+ an hour to see only 10 per month

WIMissScarlet See my TER Reviews 84 reads
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From the research I have done on this *most* of the gals that do sex work full time do file taxes. If they have another full time job I have yet to have anyone say they also include the money they make from sex work on their returns. And yes, if you are doing this full time if you want to make any large purchases you are not going to be able to bring in a duffle bag of cash.

impposter 49 Reviews 86 reads
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle
"The Pareto principle (also known as the 80/20 rule, the law of the vital few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes (the "vital few").
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"In 1941, management consultant Joseph M. Juran developed the concept in the context of quality control and improvement after reading the works of Italian sociologist and economist Vilfredo Pareto, who wrote in 1906 about the 80/20 connection while teaching at the University of Lausanne. ..."
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"... Mathematically, the 80/20 rule is associated with a power law distribution (also known as a Pareto distribution) of wealth in a population. In many natural phenomena certain features are distributed according to power law statistics. It is an adage of business management that "80% of sales come from 20% of clients." ..."

Posted By: 36363jensen
The ratios there might be true but I don't think that is what the 80-20 rule actually is about. ...

brokeloser123 89 reads
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a business plan is essential and however much money you think you need to get started….DOUBLE or even TRIPLE it!  

therein lies the issue for many - cash flow management

i did an audit once of a very successful food court in nyc and when i saw his vank accounts, they were nearly empty..:.he had customers wrapped around the block but nyc is exepensive and he was paying a lot of employees cash which is generally frowned upon by the irs….

his pricing may have been an issue as well

mrfisher 115 Reviews 76 reads
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at a party once.

 
He was in town to handle the affairs of a large well known restaurant that had filed for bankruptcy.

 
He said that successful restaurants net about ten cents per customer, while those who go under lose about ten cents per customer.    This was some time ago, so maybe now it's more like a dollar, but that gave me a lot to think about as I entered the business world.

 
He also mentioned that employee theft of food was the largest cause of going under.

snafu929 20 Reviews 92 reads
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....was plastered and babbling or you misunderstood him.  Restaurants running correctly, in the right location with a good flow of customers will run between 10-20% profit margin.  This range is mostly dependent on either leasehold expense or debt service.   I can assure you that if the rake was .10 per guest and you ran 1000 covers thru in a day with a check average of $40, and operating correctly, the profit is a lot higher than $100.  Net will more likely  be $4K-$8K.  

mrfisher 115 Reviews 70 reads
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Now, maybe he was being dramatic, and I don't know much about that industry, but it is an example that I've seen in my business of how a very small change in percentage of something, when multiplied by all the transactions involved, adds up to a great profit or a great loss over time.

 
To that end, I make it a point to always sweat the details and not let things pass that shouldn't, much to the chagrin of some people I bring these issues up with.

impposter 49 Reviews 82 reads
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mrfisher is a wise old owl.

Posted By: mrfisher
Re: No, he was clear about that because I was very surprised by that...
Now, maybe he was being dramatic, and I don't know much about that industry, but it is an example that I've seen in my business of how a very small change in percentage of something, when multiplied by all the transactions involved, adds up to a great profit or a great loss over time.  
   
   
 To that end, I make it a point to always sweat the details and not let things pass that shouldn't, much to the chagrin of some people I bring these issues up with.
I knew a guy who retired from a non-restaurant biz and then opened a small, high-end restaurant. He was a smart guy and did a lot of research and hired consultants. He was explaining stuff to me - I don't remember the numbers he used - but it was stuff like: rent should be X% of costs, staff should by Y%, food COST, including waste, should be 15% or less (I think he said 15%), wine,  ... he knew every detail and how to set his menu prices. ... Come to think of it, the formula might have been food cost is 15% of the menu price ($5 of steak and veggies becomes a $35 menu price; the 85% difference goes to other costs and profit).

36363jensen 4 Reviews 65 reads
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I wonder if he specialized in high volume and franchise operations. If target is, say, 10,000 customers (meals) a day then that $0.10 isn't too bad for a small business restaurant. I'm taking that 10 cent to be net gain so the owner would be pocketing $1,000 a day, which is pretty good income for the average person in the USA. Hell, that's close to good escort pay -- but they probably have to work longer hours and have more headaches.

hehitshewins 123 reads
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If a restaurant stayed open for 16 hours, it would take 625 customers per hour to reach 10k. That’s just over 10 customers per minute. In no world is that remotely possible. This means if you trimmed it all the way down to 1k customers, you would still need to serve one person every minute. So even that is not possible.

snafu929 20 Reviews 75 reads
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An average Mcdonalds will see between 1500-2000 customers per day in a good location.  I can assure you that a franchise nets more than $150-$200/day.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 86 reads
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It could hold up to a thousand diners, and then had a large function room for weddings and the like.

 
It was the kind of place your parents would take you for a graduation dinner, or where the group at the office would take someone for their last day at the office.

 
They specialized in low prices for supposedly excellent food, but in reality it was sub-par, yet it was always full.  They didn't take reservations, and so you and your party would wait in a huge waiting area that had a gift shop so you ended up buying useless crap just to pass the time.

 
I stopped eating there altogether when I ran into a guy who had worked in the kitchen and warned me that it was the filthiest kitchen  he had ever worked in.

 
Old timers around Boston maybe remember it:    The Hilltop Steakhouse on Route 1 in Saugus.  The place with the fifty-foot high cactus out front.

 
The lawyer I ran into at the party I was at was stationed in Chicago, but was always on the road.   His job her specifically was to oversee the auction of the kitchen equipment and furnishings to make sure there was no hanky-panky involved.   I guess that whole aspect of the business is another interesting side of things in and of itself.   The auction itself was considered so news-worthy that local TV and newspapers ran features on it.

inicky46 61 Reviews 78 reads
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in Swampscott. Great place to go for seafood and wonderful views of the ocean. And it's still around!

36363jensen 4 Reviews 75 reads
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While a wide range the average absentee McD owner makes between $50K and $150K a year. If your serving 2000 meals a day that $0.10 produces about $78K a year. Boost that to 15 cent a mean net and you're over 100K. So I don't find the 10 cent clear per meal/customer all that far fetched. Clearly if the owner wants to pay them self rather than someone to manage things for them they make a lot more. But I didn't take the 10 cent number to be inclusive of pay to the owner.

jazzman121847 110 Reviews 77 reads
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I remember the Hilltop. It was very popular in its day. Low prices, large portions, it was great.

jazzman121847 110 Reviews 73 reads
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I've never spent much time in Swampscott, but once I had lunch at Hawthorne-By-The-Sea. The seafood was good and the view was even better.

impposter 49 Reviews 87 reads
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I and my friends went to the Hilltop many times ... no one got sick, that I can recall.  
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There is some financial info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilltop_Steak_House
"In 1977, the Hilltop grossed $11 million in sales, which was described by Spinazzola as "probably the largest gross sales in a restaurant in the world”.[3] In 1985 it grossed $24.2 million from 2.35 million diners, which placed it at the top of Restaurants & Institutions‘s list of highest-volume restaurants.[6] Hilltop again topped Restaurants & Institutions’s list for 1986 with an estimated $26.9 million in sales.[5] The New York Times described the Hilltop as "America's largest restaurant, both in number of customers served and sales volume" in 1987. At that time, the Hilltop served nearly 2.4 million customers annually, three times the volume of the nation's second-largest restaurant, Tavern on the Green in Manhattan. That year they exceeded $27 million gross.[7] In 1988, it produced an estimated $31.5 million in sales and was again cited by Restaurants & Institutions as the largest-grossing restaurant in the United States.[8] In June 1989 the Hilltop projected $25 million in sales for that year.[1] In 1990, the Hilltop again topped Restaurants & Institutions’ list of top-grossing restaurants with an estimated $27.3 million in sales.[9] In 1991, Tavern on the Green replaced the Hilltop as the highest grossing independent restaurant in the United States.[10] ..."
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I'm not going to do all of the math, but:  
1985: $24.2 M (gross) / 2.35 diners (meals?) = $10 (gross) per meal.  10 cents profit on $10 gross seems kind of weak.
Oh! Oh! Not mentioned above: the Hilltop had a bunch of barroom / waiting areas. I'll bet that the booze contributed bigly to the gross take. What do you think the split should be? $5 booze + $5 meal. Still, 10 cents on $5 seems kind of low.  
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Boston had other (locally) famous steak houses: Newbury Steak House, Ken's Steak House (Ken's at Copley) ... Boston used to have a large meat packing district in South Boston. The adjacent RR tracks brought in trainloads of refrigerated whole cow carcasses for butchering and distribution to local butchers, restaurants, and supermarkets all over Metro Boston.

Posted By: mrfisher
Re: This specific restaurant was a very large one...
It could hold up to a thousand diners, and then had a large function room for weddings and the like. ...

36363jensen 4 Reviews 71 reads
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Yes, in that sense restaurants are much more like gas stations -- neither really makes its money on the primary item of sale (food or gas) but related items, drinks and convenience store/snacks type things are where the profit comes from.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 74 reads
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Business owner:   We lose a dollar on every customer.

 
Befuddled listener:   How do you stay in business?

 
Business owner:   We make up for it in volume.

 

(I didn't say it was a good joke.)

sympathyforthedevil 57 Reviews 77 reads
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Lady posrs rates such as: 500/hr, 1000 2 hours, 1500 3 hours....we can do tge math.  Or my favorite..
  1 hour 500. 1.5 800, 2 hours 1200. Huh? Can I book consecutive hour dates for 1000?

snafu929 20 Reviews 82 reads
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....first of all, there are restaurants out there that are giant compared to the industry median.  If this restaurant seats 1,000 guests, it's fucking massive.  Your talking about dining room(s) in the neighborhood of 15,000 square feet to accommodate the seating.   That is larger than THREE NBA basketball courts.  This also takes into account that it would e a great big box without walls or dividers, noise control, hallways etc.  A more accurate estimate would likely be 20,000 square feet.  Texas Roadhouse will seat around 290 on the average, depending on the property size, dimension and the market they are in and will feed around 5,000 guests per week.  They are one of the most profitable chains currently in the full service sector.  I can guarantee that the average Texas Roadhouse does not make only $500/week in profit.  Their own website states that they feed about 300,000 meals per day across the nation.

Now, getting back to the claim from the "lawyer" about a SUCCESSFUL restaurant making .10 per customer (NOT .10 per meal) lol.  The math just doesn't math.  Yes, inicky I think said booze is more profitable than food.  No brainer there but in this case, the blind squirrel found himself an acorn.  

From a 2023 independent franchise report:  "With an average annual sales figure of $2,956,522, this suggests that franchisees earn an average net profit of approximately $443,000 per year."

That's 15% of gross, not of net.  They've got it dialed in.  Someone should tell Mr. Fisher's lawyer pal to think about his estimates.   A successful operator of XYZ restaurant will make 10-20%, depending on several factors.  A restaurant making .10 per customer is not a restaurant, it's a bleeding suckhole from hell that hemorrhages capital and financially destroys owners.  Actually that happens quite a bit, more than not.  

420Smoka4Eva 70 reads
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You can't even rent an apartment without a documented source of income. There are definitely accountants out there that specialize in helping sex workers. You need documented income to do almost anything. I think the easiest way is to create a legitimate business and then funnel SW $$ through that.

420Smoka4Eva 77 reads
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I think the lawyer remark was misunderstood and misinterpreted. I'd presume that the lawyer meant that successful restaurants make $0.10 in profit per every $1.00 the customer spends, not $0.10 on every customer. Basically he was saying they have a 10% profit margin on sales. That makes a lot more sense. I just did a google search and they said restaurant margins range from 0%-15% with the average for restaurants being 3%-5%. With those numbers it makes sense a 10% margin would be considered successful.
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According to a recent report the average customer spends $22 at Texas Roadhouse. If we take 5,000 customers spending $22 we get $110,000 in revenue. Assuming a profit margin of 10% we have a weekly profit of $11,000 an annual profit of $572,000 which seems much more reasonable and more in line with the figures you mentioned. Like you said Texas Roadhouse has a 15% profit margin which is great.  
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I think the lawyer was correct but MrFisher simply didn't understand what he meant and misquoted him.  

mrfisher 115 Reviews 75 reads
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79 / 84

but do keep in mind that this was back around 1975, and and ten cents then was worth a lot more than it is today, so that narrows the gap.

 
People also have to remember that making even 3% on revenue is not that small amount of profit, if the volume is high enough.   That's because the essential profit is what you make on the investment, that is, the. money you are actually out of pocket to run your business.

In my business that is roughly 25% of revenue, so you can multiply the 3% by 4 and get 12% return which is pretty good return these days, plus often you get a salary on top of that.

 
There is, of course, the risk of going. broke, which you don't face if you put the money in a very safe investment, but that's the way the world is.

hehitshewins 106 reads
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You throwing a "back in 1975" story out here reminds me of the back when I was a kid I walked two miles in the snow to get to school type of stories. I'm impressed you even remember a conversation you had 50 years ago.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 70 reads
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Could also have been a case of the lawyer saying what he thinks the floor was -- if you cannot make that 10 cent you're going out of business.

 
To the inflation point, 10 cent in 1975 is about 60 cent today. And, I agree that volume matters a lot. Sure, no single McD (or other high volume restaurant) is likely to average 10,000 customers a day but most franchise owners don't settle for a single unit they own/operate they want to manage multiple units and pay someone else to operate the individual units so that 10 cent or 60 cent per customers net looks pretty good. Particularly if you're considering it as the floor for a successful business to keep running rather than one that you should shutdown or is likely to fail.

snafu929 20 Reviews 85 reads
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far too many independent restaurants are losing money and they don't even know it.  Established properties that have their operations and finances in order and their debt service in check can push a lot more dollars to the bottom line.  Most restaurant financing will run 3-5 points higher than normal business financing simply because of the risk involved, regardless if the owner has a big tank of gas or not.  If their profit margin is at 10% and they can attack the mortgage, every dollar they drop the loan will put another .12 toward their net.  I know people who argue with their accountants about not having debt on their properties but are enjoying taking 20+% of every sale home at the end of the night.  Thank God there are still a bucket full of ways to push personal expenses back on the profits of the restaurant and it's still a cash business if you know how to operate.    

I'd say at least half of the independent properties running are paying the owners a mediocre wage and that's about it.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 68 reads
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the importance of paying attention to very small details, as life is made up of very small details and getting each of those right has a large cumulative effect on the whole.    

 
Whether it was technically right or wrong is secondary to the important lesson it taught me.

 
I also walked 2 miles each way to school when I was a kid, uphill both ways - literally.   I lived on a steep hill and the school was also on a steep hill with a valley separating us.

 
And before anyone else has the idea, yes, I've see Monty Python's Yorkshire men, and here it is:

FalconXmodel See my TER Reviews 71 reads
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You raise some interesting points about how different price points can attract varying volumes of clients.  

I haven't raised my rates in the past three years. I find that most of my bookings are for multi-hour sessions (1500-2000+). I don’t believe there is a universal “best price point.” My favorite person is super generous towards me. Naturally he would be getting the best rate!

Lower rates can indeed bring in more clients, much like the difference in business models between Walmart and Prada. However, the trade-offs can be significant.

From my past experiences, especially when I was working at a $500/hour rate with a manager taking a hefty cut (40/60 in her favor), it felt unhealthy 🤒🤧, unsustainable and not particularly fulfilling. While I was always booked, the energy exchange didn’t feel healthy. It would have made sense to ‘go viral’ in a sense to justify having a high minimum within the same “low rate” pricing structure. I have learned that some of the best things in life are better kept private.

I truly value the positive energy I cultivate in my work, which is why I prioritize staying in safe and pleasant environments with people who genuinely appreciate me. This allows me the time and energy to focus on self-improvement rather than chasing money blindly.  
And with money, 20-somethings are not known for being the best accountants. 🥲 Somehow I have been lucky enough to put 2 and 2 together… to have tax reserve! Enough money for replacing the mop regularly! That shopping too, comes with lifelong responsibilities afterwards!

For me, seeing 1-3 clients a week is more than enough. While a lower rate might attract more clients, I find that aligning with my ideal clientele makes for a happier 304. The inherent stressors of this line of work make having a stable anchor important, and life certainly doesn’t have to revolve around this industry

Generous gentlemen are often willing to provide lodging, which helps immensely. And while it’s true that those charging lower rates can potentially earn more through sheer volume, it also comes with increased expenses for advertising, hotel stays, and other overheads, especially if you’re working with a manager or agency.

Ultimately, it’s about finding a balance that works for you personally and financially, which is unique for each provider.

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