I noticed that in the US there are many providers, who see their time "providing" in term of number of pops rather than the time spent with an hobbyist.

My idea that is that we pay for the time, not the number of pops. If someone can master two pops in 1 hour so be it, if someone can have 3-4 pops in two hours so be it. I came across with several ladies who only allowed 1 pop, so basically the rest of the time was somewhat wasted, and of course those ladies never saw me again. Thanks God I know several providers who think like me, they accept the donation, and they think in terms of the time spent together with me, not the number of pops.

I am writing this is because I have seen many providers in Europe, both independent and from agencies, and it was always assumed by all parties that the donation given was for the time and never for the numbers of pops, unlike many providers the US. Any thought about this from both ladies who allow only one pop for 1 hour, and those who allow multiple pops, and from my fellow hobbyist?


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IMHO, quality time is very important. If the quality is there and a second pop seems to be mutually desirable, fine, but it is not a specific requirement.

Interesting comment. Providers vary on their terms and conditions like a car warranty (one hour or one pop, whichever comes first).  I agree, I usually won't see a provider who has me out the door after the first pop.  Keep in mind, I always respect the time but I know some fellow hobbyists don't and that's not cool.  Depending on how much time is left and my mood, I'll either go for another pop (and give up if time runs out!) or cuddle and chat with her.  I have to be in the mood for multiple pops.  If its important to you, you can always find out ahead of time from her reviews.  If a provider pushes me out the door early, I have to conclude that she either really doesn't like me, doesn't like the work or both.  In either case, I tend to not want to return.  I did have one case where I gave a provider a second chance because she really was pretty special.  She had read my review where I had indicated that she had rushed me and the next time I saw her, she gave me the full time.  Which reminds me that reviews can sometimes be a nice, neutral way to convey your likes and dislikes a the provider you intend to see again.

In general the rule of tumb is 1 pop/hour. Take your time and
enjoy the moment. If you are dealing with a GFE they wanted to be
treated like a close girl friend or a wife. It is better to give
your self and the provider some time to recharge. They like to be
cuddle and held tight. They might even like to lay on your chest
and chit-chat.

Otherwise you should think about using a provider that is PSE
(porn star experience).

If it is the first meeting take your time. If the provider clicks
with the next visits might be even hotter where you can get the
multiple pop/hour service It also depends on the provider. Remember
the provider has to be just as into it as you.

I myself will allow a client to pop as many times as he wants.
I do understand you are paying for a service and I feel you are entitled to receiving your money's worth.
It is good business sense and in most cases that I have seen, the client returns.

Shaye

I think that it is all about the length of the session. I have had clients ask me if they could twice, I usually smile and answer that it is their time and I am there to please them.
I do however understand the other point of view. I think it is because if you say "sure you can pop twice" then some clients expect you to stay until the second pop and sometimes this is not possible in a timely manner(you end up going over in time).When you go over in time then the client does not always compensate you for the difference.
Kisses & Licks.........
Mara

You should be allowed to pop at least twice! For the cost of a provider and the hotel, one pop doesn't satisfy. I would just stay home.

But...read through the reviews of the women you want to meet. The reviews will most likely tell the tale. Then do what I do, tell her what you expect or need from your time together. I'm just totally honest about what I expect (DFK, BBBJ). To date, I've never had a problem. I've actually been surprised a few times.

I agree with your philosophy.  To much emphasis and pressure is put upon the mechanics of a meeting and am quite turned off and peeved by inquiries as to how many pops one can have.  In the end those that pressure themselves into getting as many pops as they can are the same ones that fall short and then don't understand as to why.  

It is those that relax, enjoy themselves in the moment that end up getting the most out of the time spent.  They do not put undo pressure on themselves and let nature take its course.  The ending result is something far more fullfilling and the mechanics (multiple pops) all fall in place in the end anyway.

Time is a great factor.  There have been many discussions with regards to ladies and their time, but it goes both ways also.  There are many gents out there that tend to look at their watches themselves.  I sometimes wonder as to why they have even bothered, for IMHO they do not get their money's worth and miss out on something wonderful because of the time pressures they place on themselves.

I understand it works for some and respect that...but it doesn't for me and is why I scoff at half hour or even quarter hour inquiries.  

Lauren

Do these guys expect multiple pops as well?

Interesting that you mention guys putting pressure on themselves to have as many pops as possible within a certain time frame. Do people actually shoot for a specific number?

I think that most guys aren't as much concerned about running up some tally as they are in avoiding a non-voluntary 15 minute session due to a lack of pacing (also "letting nature take it's course").

I like to know if I have the option of having multiple pops. At the very least, you can focus on the pleasure of the situation rather than focus on not having too much fun too early.

Even if only 1 is available, it's nice to know early on or even before a meeting so that you can be prepared.

Thanks to TER, I can have a fairly accurate expectation of the likelihood of multiples and make my choices accordingly.

Its been my experience that most clients that are inquirying about multiple-pops are over zealous and fall short of their anticipated achievement anyway. If you are employing my time for 1 hour than thats what you get...1 hour (give or take 15 minutes or so) You can have as many pops as your lil' heart desires.
I agree with Miss Lucious. Let nature take its course and depending on the chemistry of the two people, quality is the redeeming factor not quantity.

Lets make it a GREAT day!
Carol of Palm Springs (California)

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Should charge by the minute and round it up like the phone companies do. I can see guys looking at second hand on the clock and trying to finish before the next minute. LOL.

Every client is different and should be allowed the time he needs. That's why I don't do an hour, but rather a session. A good provider will give you their undivided attention for as long as necessary. If it's " up there " then I'm not going anywhere...!! Pressing a time limit clearly shows where that Providers priorities are...

Actually i disagree, I don't know who made this rule in the US, but i think it's the wrong rule. The rule should be the time paid for the comapany not the numbers of pops. If someone can have more than 1 pops in 1 hour it shouldn't be a problem for a  good provider who likes to keep people coming back. I know many providers who do that, they do not care how many pops I have as long as they are in the time frame.  In Europe there is the same understanding, it's the time not the numbers of pops.  

In the US many providers have this rule 1 hour 1 pop, that makes no sense to me. In fact, I read lots of wonderful reviews of great providers I would die to meet, but if multiple pops are not offered I pass to someone else.

A few months ago i saw this provider with good reviews, I paid for 2 hours and after the first pop during the first 20 minutes  she stated:"no more pops". That was frustrating, she will never see me again, lol.



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Before discovering TER I used an agency a few times.  It was pretty much once & done most of the time...maybe just a brief massage afterward.  Since TER I've stuck with indies & found it's just the opposite...it's the time, not the pops.  Good damn thing I suppose, because I'm not gonna be confused with super-stud anyway as I take longer to recharge than I did when I was younger.  

Probably because I've tried to be selective in the gals I've seen, I've actually found almost all of them to be very generous with their time..& a few who even make it a point to initiate an encore themselves after the clock has stopped ticking.  

I'm sure there are all kinds of gals out there, so I can only attribute the above to being fortunate in most of the choices I've made.

you shoudl've bored her with your conversation for the next hour-forty, in hopes she'd give in.

from reading these replies, I have to say, wow, there are a lot of really nice folks out there...very considerate of the needs and fairness of both sides represented well...I can only guess that this indicates that those who "ruin it for everyone" also don't bother sharing here with others either.

One small point I didn't see brought up that should be kept in mind too, though is this: when querying a provider or discussing "pops"..etc. one is dancing VERY closely with making a big distinction between talking about services extended that are specific and "act" oriented, which may just be illegal...hmmm, vs. time oriented offerings..which is simply company reputed to be so damned good..it's worth paying for!  In fact, this kind of query could be used quite effectively in the compilation of prosecuting evidence..if one we're so inclined... Many providers will feel obligated...even coerced, into providing "multiples", rather than to be forced into having to risk a response to a direct question about "activities" being expected and contracted for.  It's much safer to say, "don't be silly...it's time we're spending..nothing else"..even if they don't mean it. Just go by the reviews if it's important to you...at least that's hearsay once removed...and just enjoy the experience, not the tally...and finally, and this is the point: stay out of jail!

The provider can play the "Final Jeopardy" music to hike up the pressure. Could you imagine the performance anxiety?

I figure about $10/minute should be enough for a provider to make a decent living.

"5:01? Ah shucks, do you round up or down?"

That's why there are seperate entries for "Non-rushed session" and "Multiple pops" on a provider's profile. Personally, the multiple pop thing is only a requirement for me on 4-hour or overnight dates. For one or two hours, all that matters is that she stays the entire time and remains enthusiastic and friendly. That's not to say I'd refuse to go a second or third round - just that I don't require it.

at the amount of gents that do put undo pressure on themselves.  They are in the minority, but there are gents with the ideology of getting more bang for the buck and IMHO end up shorting themselves.

I think most reputable ladies do not have a rule as to how many pops are available.  Again, IMHO, it leaves for a pressured meeting.  

I agree with you,  doing homework and looking at the reviews one can certainly ascertain as to what it is they are walking into without having to question anything.

Lauren

Lol, sure i could have done it, but I just left earlier I wasn't in mood to stay. She has good reviews and she is a nice person. I assumed that if I asked for a longer session I would have gotten more than one pop. I was wrong. One thing is that I have a more powerful orgasm on the second pop than on the first pop. So after that experience and knowing how much I enjoy the second pop, when I contact someone new to me, I always make sure with some carefully chosen words, that more than one pop is allowed.

-- Modified on 12/4/2002 12:35:21 PM

If a provider is so good, the client will not even think about
looking a the clock. Things will automatically rise so that pop
counting is not needed. Very true for things to be natural. I have
noticed that some providers will want to look at the bag after the
pop to see how full it is. If the provider is good the bag will be
full in the tip everytime.

The best environnment to achieve such results are multiple hour
appointments at least 3 or 4 hours.

I concur with Tattoo Girl....


At my gift level,  when a gentlemen schedules time with me, I do not balk about such things...Then again, I see only 2-3 gentlemen per week as opposed to 4-6 men per day.  I have a minimum 4 hour engagement because I value and appreciate pampering nice gentlemen without rushing and slam bamming. (not that there's anything wrong or bad with a luscious quickie!)  

When gentlemen reserve me in advance, they know, based on my rates, that total debauchery is on the menu.    My clients do not even ASK about specific intimate practices prior to seeing me.  

Girl X

Ditto!  The donation should be for the time spent together not number of orgasms.  I can only muster one per hour but enjoy spending time talking with the person before or after.  Nothing worse than someone trying to get you off quick and running out the door.