Could we poss keep discussing politics OUT of what are supposedly FUN meetings??? Epecially when you have no idea of your friend's (political!) persuasion, religion or backround. And in light of recent sad events in the Middle East, it would stupid to air rampant views either way. We all have them - even more so if our families are directly involved in the troubles- but there is a time and a place. Tact please. And more sex!!!!!!

Talking politics and religion are probably a good way to turn some people off that you might want to do business with someday. I don't visit the political board because most forums I join have one and they all devolve into this never-ending food fight that isn't worth my time.

Probably a good idea to keep ethnic issues out as well except where they are relevant to hobbying and providing.

But, then, I'm not a moderator.

Go Israel ? When they have killed more than 50 civilians......? 34 of them children living in a shelter ? Yes, you are right, YOU should not discuss politics at all. This massacre and all the massacres on all sides are not to be proud of nor cheered on like football.
no-tyvm,P.T.

Please excuse the irony; I'm sorry it was lost on you....;o)

    "Go Israel" was exactly the term used by the charming 'gentleman' who inspired me to write this post. He paid lots of money to impress me on our date then fucked it up with one sentence. And then kept on... and on...

      Actually,I wanted to rip his bollocks off, but feel this is a more fitting tribute. So here's to you, ignorant knobhead.

The adventures of Ignorant and Knobhead.....

Sounds Presidential.....

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LOLLLL!!!!!!! ;o)

     And would you believe, he had a brother called arsehole!! Nice family.

Both factions have been a total pain to the rest of the world for most of this century.

We need the OIL; but certainly not THEM.

Now now, lets not limit ourselves to Jews and Muslims (not Arabs necessarily). The Christians are as useless as tits on a bull too, and still lead the pack in terms of total deaths directly related to their "peaceful" religion. At more than 35 million slaughtered in the "peaceful" name of Christ, the Muslims have their work cut out for them to compete. Unfortunately, they are working hard to close the body count gap.

Lets face it, religion in ALL of its forms is the worst catastrophe to ever plague mankind. We'd be better off without the lot.

It Was lost... As for being an Ignorant knobhead.. That would be a matter of opinion and yours is just another arsehole in knob heaven
tyvm,P.T.

If your prescription is followed we will have a bloodbath in every corner of the earth. In case you have not noticed Jewish and Arab (I think you meant Islamic, because Arabs make up a subset of Islam.  Some Arabs are Christian, should they be wiped out?), people live in every community that I can think of.
Mass extinction of one group of humans has a somewhat nasty side effect. That side effect is when extinction will stop. Is removal of one or two groups that one deems undesirable enough? Why not start on the next less than desirable group once the top two are allowed to finish off each other?
The issues that plague the Middle East are centuries old and complex. The solution that you propose is no solution and if the rest of us stand by an allow it to happen, we will be no better the most murderous terrorist.

No sense however further punishing enlightened atheists/agnostics suffering over here in the States and elsewhere for a ten thousand year old family feud between historically violent tempered nomadic herdsmen and overbearing merchants/moneychangers.

Geezy Creezy.Killing people for oil.How disgraceful. lets just stop buying as much of it and open up Our own oil fields. Theres more oil in Alaska, then in the Persian gulf.
Junk your SUV's !!!
tyvm,P.t.

Lets let their changes come from within. Without genocide.
tyvm,P.T.

I'm preaching "Pragmatism"

What ever you,they or we want to address them as; they're the root to a huge, long time problem that the rest of the world has been forcibly humoring for way too long.

 If there are some sporadic violent side effects from both factions demise; so be it! At least there will be light at the end of the tunnel when their numbers reduce en-mass and we don't have to decide whether to play to the sheiks or the banks.

"they're the root to a huge, long time problem ?"
Kind Sir, please enlighten me.

Is the problem the Jews? Because in the 1500's some Brits came along and planted a flag and said "were here to protect you. This is part Of The United Kingdom now." So this gave them and the U.N. the right to mandate ?
Or
Is it rather Hitlers fault ? The Sabra's had been living there for thousands of years. Not as friend but not as Blood Enemy either.
This hatred only began after the mandate and after WW2 and the organization IRGUN ran by Mr. Begin.
Those poor Holocaust victims were crazed and rightfully so. My opinion is they should of divvied up the Rhine Valley for em. Let them build a Whaling Wall at Disney and be done.
Or
Is it that the Muslims are mostly uneducated backwards primitives and need to be annihilated ?

Ya see, it this annihilation,genocide and murder concept that gets to me. Im not about the killing.
tyvm,P.T.

You two paragraphs were filled with so many inaccurate cliches that I stopped counting. The fact is, all the oil in the world can disappear and every bank with it and we will still have conflict in the Middle East. I can try explaining to you why, but I have already demmed that effort a waste.
Tell you one thing. I wish I had your simplistic solutions to earning money on my job and investments. Wait, scratch that, if I used solutions that are anything close to what you would propose, I would be in the poorhouse and would not be able to sample the fine ladies that I have the pleasure of meeting.

"Two wrongs don't make a right."  There is goodness, sadness, mean-spirited people and pain on either side of the fence. I don't think hurdling accusations toward one another is the answer. People have different religions and beliefs throughout the world. I just wish we could all share a city with our own beliefs and live together and respect each other. Unfortunately, so much blood has been shed that it is difficult for one to forgive the other. Can we just all lay down our arms and forgive and move forward?  I guess not. What a shame!

Hugs,
Ciara

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Another falsity in your string of falsitys back to me.
First I am no sir and second I am not angry but, annoyed at being called names at the onset of this post.
I defend my right to speak out about murder.
The annoyance was irritate by the talk of genocide so flippantly as to be pouring milk on your flakes at the same time.
Sorry your perceptions were all wrong.
tyvm,P.T.

You and me are on relatively the same page, take another look. I know that you are a woman, my post was not intended to address you.
I like your style (except for the occassional long posts ).
ST25:

only one other thing. I am not WebTerrorist. I am her friend.
tyvm,P.T.

... my aim was to keep the discussion OUT of the flippin arena!!!

       S-O-R-R-Y!!!!

All of us can be percieved as Ignorant Knobheads. Especially when they post something on a public discussion forum that they dont want to discuss.
tyvm,p.T.

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The Jews have the world by the short hairs through financial manipulation.

 The (Whatevers) quit herding animals when they found their faith sitting on the oil reserves and now hold the ring in the world's nose.

 Both Tribes are demanding our loyalty for their goods or services while they horrifically attack each others civilians.

 Having them killing each other off is way better than dragging the rest of the world into their private religious/tribal feud that has proved a lose-lose for us for 60 years.

 I don't care who is(or isn't) behind it; I don't want another 911 on our shores, and until the banks and oil companies allow alternative fuel I don't need any more hikes in gas prices.

That 911 was not domestic ? I am not.
tyvm,P.T.

The French philosopher Diedrot commented in the 16th Century that the world would be a safe place "only when the last priest was strangled with the entrails of the last king."

WHAT changes??? Lets let WHAT changes come from within???

Today we are STILL dealing with conflicts that are more than two MILLENIA old, with NO end in sight. Our great great grandchildren are still going to be fighting out a sibling rivalry that started when men were still beating on one another with sticks and stones. Now we have nuclear weapons. To say that anything TODAY is going to change is like saying that the earth is going to suddenly stop on a dime and start spinning the other way.

I am not advocating genocide, neither in my first post nor this one, but pardon me for pointing out that your optimism in thinking that any of the three major religions will ever change borders on psychosis.

Neither the Muslims, the Jews, nor the Christians have done anything to make this world a better place other than to act as a parasitic population control. To observe that we would be better off without all of them is not a call to exterminate them, it is simply a statement of a grim and ugly truth. Nothing more.

"but pardon me for pointing out that your optimism in thinking that any of the three major religions will ever change borders on psychosis."

Did I say or imply that anywhere ? No.
tyvm,P.T.

Sure you implied it. "Lets let change come from within"......hey while we are at it, lets have a rousing chorus of Kum Bah Yah too. If you honestly think that a fight that has gone on for two millennia is going to suddenly resolve itself spontaneously in our lifetime or our great great great grandchildren's lifetime, you are sadly mistaken. Those rose colored glasses must work pretty darned well.

Furthermore, if you actually think this is a NEW situation that has developed since WWII, you are sadly and woefully mistaken. Apparently, the crusades never happened. They are a figment of our imagination. The only thing that has changed since WWII is that we threw kerosene on the fire by recreating out of thin air a nation that had not existed for more than two millennia. Hey, lets recreate the Ottoman empire next shall we? At least their footstools are cool.

I'd love to see your reaction if the UN marched in here tomorrow and told us we have to give Manhattan, Phildelphia, and Boston back to the Indians, and furthermore, they get to take posession of our nation's most revered landmarks such as Mt. Rushmore and the Statue of Liberty. Lets see how well that flies here.

I doubt that elimination of oil dependence will change it.