Once I develop certain comfort level with a patron (i.e. have done several extended dates), issue of payment is not even discussed.  Before we board our respective planes said envelope simply happens to find its way into my purse.

Extended dates with new patrons are completely different story.  Half of the fee is requested as deposit and another on appearance.

Its is simple matter of risk and reward for both parties.  Is it worth it for me to risk future earnings over a couple of grand? Not if this amount barely represents 1 percent of annual earnings.

Lina

I'm heading overseas shortly and want to set up a 24-hour date with one or two of the providers reviewed well in TER.  I've PM-ed a couple of the reviewers, and they say these women are great...and trustworthy.

I believe them...but I'm a little nervous in handing over the ENTIRE donation upon first meeting them (we're meeting in the morning).  I can imagine as we're out on the town during the day that she might slip away with my $$ and we never would have had our first in-room session.

So, to the guys (and providers!) who have done 24-hours dates or longer--and I know it's a smaller pool of folks--would it be kosher to give her half the donation up front, and half the next morning?

Appreciate any thoughts on the subject--from providers, too.

Thanks.

og

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Doesn't matter how long the date is, an hour or 72, it is paid upfront. You said she is well reviewed. Do you really think she would risk her reputation by running off with your money? Plus why would she run off? Are you THAT unattractive?

Let her know up front that's the plan and since you've never met her before, that's how you feel most comfortable. She can always bail halfway through the day and you aren't out the entire fee if she doesn't follow through. If things go well, promise her a generous tip. If she doesn't agree, make other arrangements.

Have fun! Where are you going?

IE-were you to only offer half of the agreed upon rate to a lady whom you have no prior established relationship with, the lady in question would almost certainly be very concerned that you may simply not provide the rest of the fee at the end of your time together. In fact, many ladies will insist on a partial or full deposit before reserving such a large amount of time for a new patron.

It may be helpful to keep in mind that even if their legal name is not involved, these ladies have a very public persona and reputation. Ladies who rip gentlemen off tend to get found out, and as you probably know, word and drama spread like wildfire in this lifestyle. Our reputation is our bread and butter. Very few ladies are willing to damage future prospects for a quick buck now, and those who do you find out about pretty quickly.

A lady has no such assurances from a patron. A patron may potentially have some persona built up in the "hobby" (I stress the word "may," because many, many gentlemen do not), but damage to it by labling him as a rip off does not hurt his finances/business, and may not even affect his access to future ladies.

In short, I suppose that all of life is a calculated risk, but as long as you've done your homework, you're fairly safe on this one. Enjoy the ride; longer dates are incredible fun!

You want to be sure you have established a comfort and trust level with her first (and she with you), if only for the fact that you both want be able to enjoy the full day together to the utmost, rather than each of you having in the back of your minds that the person you are with may not live up to their end of the agreement.  With someone you are meeting for the first time, I would expect the normal rules apply...full donation up front, this is non-negotiable, and you take your chances from there.  This is one of the reasons why I would never do an overnight or beyond with anyone I hadn't met with before several times, and established the necessary comfort and trust level that both parties need...

and in all but one case I had been with the lady at least once before for a regular session so I knew what to expect and that we would get along. The only time that I went on an extended "Blind Date" was at the recommendation of another provider that I knew so I trusted that I would be in good hands and it turned out great and she has become my ATF.

I always have the envelope sitting out on the counter at the beginning of the date just to get it overwith so that we can pretend to be a normal as possible. It can awkward for her if she has to keep wondering if you are going to stiff her (and not in a good way) which can lead to some tension so I find it easier to put her at ease early. I would advise against the half now....half later plan. She will almost certainly be concerned about it and will not give you her best performance which could ruin your experience.

Not that you asked......But doing an extended blind date out of the country sounds a little iffy to me....not because of the fear of getting ripped off if you are seeing a highly reviewed provider (although it is a possibility) but how do you know that you and the lady will be compatible for that length of time. Even on my best date we were playing for 7 of the 24 hours.....that still a lot of down time that has to be filled with conversation etc....that is a long time of uncomfortable silence and staring at one another with you don't have anything in common. I realize that it may be a challenge but you may want to book a 4+ hour dinner date and ask for an option to extend it if things go well....that way if you don't hit it off you can retire to a neutral corners and try someone else. I took this approach once and within the first hour I knew that I wanted to spend the day with her.....and it turned into a 3 day road trip so you never know what will happen.

Best of luck!


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Yes, even well known providers have stolen from clients at the risk of their reputation. It happened recently with a provider who stole for the second time and another who did it last year. Those we heard about. There are others that are never tagged for fear of retaliation and outing.

I would never pay a provider up front for more then a two hour session.

In spite of her reviews, how do you know you will click with her?  What if you don't?  You will have spent a shitload of money for a bad time.  It's never a good idea to do a long date with someone you have not had a short-term date with.

I have done some overnighters and gave the donation up front.  Fortunately for me, I had a wonderful time.

Lou

No wonder you're nervous!  I'd be worried about a lot more than the money if I were you.  I've done over night dates and weekends with providers but never with a lady that I had not already seen a few times and established a history with. How you spend your money is, of course, up to you but it seems to me you are gambling on a lot more than whether she is going to abscond with your money or not...

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but the "click with" factor is a bigger concern.

Start with short sessions and see how they go before graduating to a long one.

How about this idea?

Set up a number of short sessions with various promising providers and enjoy variety and financial peace of mind.

I've done that a few times and it was a lot of fun.

......if it a first time date, I ask for a 50% deposit.  Or, 50% upon meeting.  If I have visited with the gentleman on a regular basis, then I usually receive my gift before we travel, as neither one of us wants to be carrying around four or five figures in cash.  

Hugs and Kisses

Even four hours is a long time to commit to with someone you have never met.  I meet women all the time that for the first thirty minutes I think I am going to want to spend a week with, and then after an hour or two I find myself thinking of nothing else but how to escape. lol

You are forgetting one thing.  She wants your money. Compatibility is not really the issue for her. If you ask her to make herself available for 24 hours you should expect to pay her for 24 hours.  My hunch is that she will not be too happy if you send her home halfway through the date with only half of the money when she could very well have booked other appointments in that time frame that you asked her to reserve for you.

Good luck.  I hope it all goes well for you but I don't know too many ladies that would accept an offer like this.

I know I'm gonna get shit for this, but more often than not they get their donation after services rendered. We get down to business and on my way out I go 'Oh yeah. Here you go.' and pay in full.

In retrospect, I have sent the funds beforehand cuz I didn't feel like carrying a wad of cash on me. Sent it to them via GreenDot and just showed up at the appointed time.

I know that's stupid as shit, but the way I figure it their rep is worth a hell of a lot more than a few hundred dollars.

Just me, I guess, but if it ain't broke don't fix it.

I agree that its probably foolish to carry around large sums of cash if it can be avoided. For providers and hobbyists alike this can be an issue. Green Dot works great, to a point. Many providers I know have had their Green Dot accounts closed due to suspicious activity. Green dot does not work everywhere. I know for a fact that none of the Harrahs Casino locations accept Green Dot. My local Circle K gas pumps don't accept it. Many restaurants I have been to do not accept it. It works on lots of places, just not all.

Last week legislation was proposed to require that banks identify all cash transactions. They specifically were targeting these types of cards as Green Dot is not the only vendor. Its part of the anti-terrorist agenda. I suspect we will see identification issues with this in the future. That being said and not wanting to hijack the thread, here is my view.

First off when you travel out of the country, make sure you know what the law is and have a back up plan. I was recently speaking to a client whose opinion I respect and he had the same thing to say.

Secondly, about payment and deposits. You said the companion was reviewed. Was she WELL reviewed? If so, she does not want to ruin her reputation. As Eve mentioned, we live off of our reputations. It does not take much to see a train wreck when a provider rips off a client. Do your homework, and pick only well reviewed companions when so much is on the line.

Finally if I may make a small suggestion, tell her you would like to book 4 hours with an option to extend. The extension may not be as discounted as if you had booked the full 24 hours the first time, but I bet she will work with you. This may help you avoid the paranoia you are besieged with. Companions who are meeting a client for the first time should always be given their donation up front. For many companions and clients its just best to give it to them up front as it gets business out of sight and out of mind. YMMV with no doubt, and perhaps it depends on the client and the lady, but thats my opinion.

most Providers that offer over night and longer such as 24 hr have standereds, like they must know the guy and have seen him acouple of times and, as for your question, require at least half down and the rest upon the end of the date. I personally would be alittle cautious about handing the whole thing up front at first meeting.

Thanks, all, for the great feedback.  Some really good ideas emerged.  I'm relatively new to the hobby (three months), but I know enough to know that the donation should be up front; that's the way I've done it, and not once has either of us mentioned the envelope.  Most times, it just sat there until after I'd left.

I will be in Beijing, only four nights, the first night being arrival at midnight and therefore, not a good night to "play."  I've been looking at a couple of ladies reviewed "well" in TER, and I've been in touch with their reviewers, one of whom does repeated overnights with the one lady.  I will probably schedule one evening (2-3 hours) with one lady, but, I'd like to do a 24-hour with the other.  I will be touristing, and it would be much more fun with a local "guide" than on my own.

I've been in touch with the lady, and she's very open to the 24 hour.  We've exchanged several e-mails already, and the plan is to meet at 10 am, sight-see for a few hours, then back to the hotel for a late-afternoon session, dinner, another session or two, then one more session in the morning, followed by breakfast.  So, naturally, I was worried if I gave her the full amount up front, that she might disappear on me while we were out and about at the Forbidden City or wherever.

But, thanks to some of your feedback, I'm going to propose to her that we make the "daytime" date one thing and the evening-and-overnight another.  I'm planning on proposing the following to her: offer her 40% or 50% up front, just for the daytime companionship.  At the end of that, back at my hotel, either she or I can call it off, and we'll be fine.  If we agree in the late afternoon to continue with the overnight, then I'll give her the rest.  At that point, we'll be together in the close confines of the hotel and restaurant, and it would not be so easy for her simply to "disappear."  Besides, by that time, I'd have a feel for whether we're compatible (and thus interested in continuing) and also if I can trust her (and vice-versa).

This incorporates the suggestion of a lot of you to do a short session first.  It will be all-in-one-day, but with an "out" for either of us.  I do think I can trust her, as she IS reviewed "well" in TER, and her reviewers have told me privately that she's ok.  I also get this sense from our e-mail exchanges so far.  (BTW, when I say "reviewed well," I mean that the few reviews that are there are very good.  TER does not have a strong presence in Beijing; on the China reviews, I can only click on "Shanghai" or "Other."  So, no, she doesn't have dozens of reviews, but she does have a couple of web sites and a nice handful of TER reviews.)

So, thanks, all!

og

But I am talking about ladies I trust, reviewed or not. What they do with the money I can give 2 shits about. As long as they got it and live up to their end of the agreement is all I'm concerned with.

As far as what Eve says, again, I can give two shits about.

I'm beginning to realize what and who you were talking about earlier, and I'll just say I'll do without. Thank you anyway.

And who is this 'you' you keep talking about? Not me, because I certainly didn't include enough information in my post to make such an assertion. If you said if 'one' had booked, blah, blah, blah, then it might make sense to me. I don't recall asking for an opinion, just stating mine.

You've been told enough by others my opinion or my accounts don't mean shit anyway, so WTF difference does it make?

Anyway you have a great Labor Day weekend, lady.

I agree.... for both of parties..i would hate to spend a 24 hour date with someone that i don't click with and no matter how much you pay me..it will be a looooooong day and probably would never do it again... fortunately i like my dates

xxox stella

I saw a lady for 3x and didn't have a problem.  The 4th time, she was probably on drugs, I gave the money upfront so she could pay for the room - and she drove a way.  BTW, she's now in prison for  a felony charge.

That's only cool, though, if you already know the lady, and already have a comfort and trust level established by several, or many, prior rendezvous' of shorter duration.