: TER General Board Discussion : P411 needs to address this.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 2471 reads

posted 13 years ago

1 / 24

Does anyone else find this utterly absurd?

"They have never busted anyone from Date Check in over 15 years" lol. Um, exactly HOW do you know this, because they said so? If Date Check does not have your personal info for your membership, how can they possibly know when or if your provider/hobby HANDLE was busted lol. Gosh...

This is on the Colorado Board.

They have never busted anyone from date-check in almost 15 years because date-check doesn't let any provider in that doesn't have a current provider that will vouch for them in. P411 lets any provider in that has just 1 or 2 reviews many that are not even real providers. I have seen many p411 ladies blacklist guys for no reason, the same guys I have seen with no problems and when I ask the guy about it, he tells me they lie and promise they will not show up with a driver, and they try the cash and das shit or they do bait and switch. There have been many arrests through p411 over the years and the site admin says she is OK with their members sending the providers illegal requests through their own sever. Date-check provides discretion safety and the make their clients behave like gentlemen. Yes p411 hs tons of young girls at really low prices and we all know the average rate for a provider is at least 200 to 300 a hour so when you look for a deal, you might get a lot of DRAMA + end up very disappointed.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/22-female-escorts-busted-in-sting-by-the-fbi-denver-police-aurora-police-lakewood-police-mor

scoed 8 Reviews 840 reads

posted 13 years ago

2 / 24

Utter lie. A bold faced lie about no busts on DateCheck members.

I know of a lady on date check that got busted. I know P411 ladies that got busted. Both sites have had instances where people fell though the cracks. Second anyone can see P411 ads and it is not hard to get one clown to flip and let his info be used to do busts. A lady in Utah who was on both sites and now has disappeared flipped and lead to the bust of a few hobbyists. I do not know if they was Datecheck or P411 members or not. There is no 100% in this game.

inicky46 61 Reviews 750 reads

posted 13 years ago

3 / 24

I'm a member of both but this sounds like a D-C shill to me.

And I don't think it was even solicited by D-C. They are too smart for that. And if they were going to do it, why in Colorado?

Posted By: London Rayne

"They have never busted anyone from Date Check in over 15 years" lol. Um, exactly HOW do you know this, because they said so? If Date Check does not have your personal info for your membership, how can they possibly know when or if your provider/hobby HANDLE was busted lol. Gosh...

This is on the Colorado Board.

They have never busted anyone from date-check in almost 15 years because date-check doesn't let any provider in that doesn't have a current provider that will vouch for them in. P411 lets any provider in that has just 1 or 2 reviews many that are not even real providers. I have seen many p411 ladies blacklist guys for no reason, the same guys I have seen with no problems and when I ask the guy about it, he tells me they lie and promise they will not show up with a driver, and they try the cash and das shit or they do bait and switch. There have been many arrests through p411 over the years and the site admin says she is OK with their members sending the providers illegal requests through their own sever. Date-check provides discretion safety and the make their clients behave like gentlemen. Yes p411 hs tons of young girls at really low prices and we all know the average rate for a provider is at least 200 to 300 a hour so when you look for a deal, you might get a lot of DRAMA + end up very disappointed.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/22-female-escorts-busted-in-sting-by-the-fbi-denver-police-aurora-police-lakewood-police-more

BrentTaylor 79 Reviews 692 reads

posted 13 years ago

4 / 24

Due diligence required. Old foxes know...spring chickens sometimes taste like...lead bullets. (e)

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AlexandraMilw See my TER Reviews 778 reads

posted 13 years ago

5 / 24

Just a guy who couldn't get on P411.

They do far more screening then this guy claims, ANY P411 gal knows this. It takes many reviews by verified guys. Crap happens when the idiots who get busted, give their info to LE to save their butts. Every single P411 compromise was done this way. Gina goes out of her way to warn others when this happens and she even pms the gals/guys who corresponded with the (now) LE accts.

In my area we don't have all these young gals and the rates are what holds for this city. I can not speak about other cities.

IMO, just a guy that is pissy he didn't get in.

WondersOfTheWrld 599 reads

posted 13 years ago

6 / 24

Every verification site has had its share of issues. eom

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London Rayne See my TER Reviews 766 reads

posted 13 years ago

7 / 24

Re: Just a guy who couldn't get on P411.

No, posted by a provider with reviews lol. Sounds more like someone who got booted from P411. I think I will stick with the expert's opinion, that P411 does not have to hide anything. Every even has been posted almost immediately after the site became aware of it.

-- Modified on 6/19/2013 10:54:43 PM

missymore See my TER Reviews 724 reads

posted 13 years ago

8 / 24

Re: Due diligence required. Old foxes know...spring chickens sometimes taste like...lead bullets. (e

LOL!
so true!

AlexandraMilw See my TER Reviews 775 reads

posted 13 years ago

9 / 24

I am all behind P411

For my area, it is by far the best advertising. In fact it is my only advertising. I have had nothing but good experiences from people on there.

I also know that Gina does far more "security" then others are aware of. It isn't perfect, but it is pretty damn good. Okay's given are watched to see if in fact the people may have met (rather than randomly giving okays). I had an appt setup via email only, gave him an okay on P411... and it was checked that we met.

I do like that we have so long to answer appt requests as well. Sorry, I know some are busy... but if I was a guy I wouldn't appreciate waiting a week for an answer. Same thing about cancellation policies for those gals who have it on the ads/sites. It is enforced for those who bring it up.

BrentTaylor 79 Reviews 628 reads

posted 13 years ago

10 / 24

Now, your P411 says...'Here's the 411!' Nice legs girl..... (e)

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codiboy101 4 Reviews 671 reads

posted 13 years ago

11 / 24

It doesn't seem to matter in my area.......

Posted By: London Rayne

"They have never busted anyone from Date Check in over 15 years" lol. Um, exactly HOW do you know this, because they said so? If Date Check does not have your personal info for your membership, how can they possibly know when or if your provider/hobby HANDLE was busted lol. Gosh...

This is on the Colorado Board.

They have never busted anyone from date-check in almost 15 years because date-check doesn't let any provider in that doesn't have a current provider that will vouch for them in. P411 lets any provider in that has just 1 or 2 reviews many that are not even real providers. I have seen many p411 ladies blacklist guys for no reason, the same guys I have seen with no problems and when I ask the guy about it, he tells me they lie and promise they will not show up with a driver, and they try the cash and das shit or they do bait and switch. There have been many arrests through p411 over the years and the site admin says she is OK with their members sending the providers illegal requests through their own sever. Date-check provides discretion safety and the make their clients behave like gentlemen. Yes p411 hs tons of young girls at really low prices and we all know the average rate for a provider is at least 200 to 300 a hour so when you look for a deal, you might get a lot of DRAMA + end up very disappointed.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/22-female-escorts-busted-in-sting-by-the-fbi-denver-police-aurora-police-lakewood-police-more

Where I live LE catches people due to their own risk taking. It doesn't matter DC or P411 the touch of a breast etc etc. then to top it all off we have a DUMBASS wanna be pornstar using a Zumba Fitness studio as a front for postitution business!!!!! Luckly for a lot of guys she pled out and the last half of the names on the so called "List" didn't get released and she didn't spill more beams about how she checked on guys. She kept detailed record on an excel file in her computer, vidoe taped all sex acts secretly, and photographed license plates and ran background checks through a PI of any customer she could. During grand jury she stated that she used verification sites and review sights to get business and the such. I think it's a step that has to be done for a providers piece of mind and a client as far as that goes but like anything else in this hobby/business there's a risk involved and nothing is ever 100% safe.

DynamiteDominicDeNucci 810 reads

posted 13 years ago

12 / 24

Didn't 411

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DynamiteDominicDeNucci 794 reads

posted 13 years ago

13 / 24

Re: Didn't 411 ..... Sorry , didn't they boot four hookers

in Denver for selling okay's to chump ( most likely a cop ) they never met ?

Sounds like one of them or a friend .

inicky46 61 Reviews 672 reads

posted 13 years ago

14 / 24

P411 needs to address this.

I"m waiting for a response from them re how LE was able to use them in this case. Not surprised someone is trying to use it to advantage Date-Check.

Related Link: Denver Post story

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 733 reads

posted 13 years ago

15 / 24

Re: Didn't 411 ..... Sorry , didn't they boot four hookers

I am sure they did, and don't think providers don't do this same thing on other sites for reviews, or whatever else. My point is no one can blame ONE medium for what happened. It was a combined effort of many people, all of which would be dealt with if discovered.

My issue was not with someone expressing an opinion, but this was outright slander on P411 and a bold faced lie about Date Check never having a client/provider get busted. It was not P411 that "got busted again." It was various women from random sites, one just happening to be P411.

Just because some women from that site cooperated or whatever, does not mean that P411 also cooperated. If you have nothing to give, the cops can't really barter for much. This is why I don't keep information, use a mailing list, and make sure all my contacts are deleted. If I get busted, all I have to give are TER handles lol. Big whoop. For some, a misdemeanor is made out to be like a damn prison sentence through intimidation.

Cops tell single mothers "If you don't cooperate we will take your children," which is always bs. Unless you can prove she is unfit, can't do shit. A judge is going to see a mother who is doing the best she can to provide a safe home, a private school, and actually be around vs. working 60 hours a week and having that child grow up in Day Care. I know of not one provider who lost her child "JUST BECAUSE" she happened to do this. In every case, it was because of pandering, drugs, or she was turning tricks in the same house the child lived in...those are felonies.

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London Rayne See my TER Reviews 710 reads

posted 13 years ago

16 / 24

Re: P411 needs to address this.

It was addressed the minute they found out.

GinaXXX 995 reads

posted 13 years ago

17 / 24

Re: P411 needs to address this.

As emailed to inicky46:

Unfortunately, a P411 client account was compromised in Denver, and a number of providers were affected just over a week ago. We contacted the providers in the line of fire as soon as we became aware of the situation on night of the 12th, and posted warnings on the provider side. Just as I do every time this happens.

While this sort of thing does happen from time to time, I wouldn't call it a "common" occurrence. usually they focus on the lowest hanging fruit, the providers who don't screen thoroughly, who are more transient by nature (a la Backpage). But as the hobby evolves so do those who want to put an end to it.

There was no indication that clients were in any way targeted in this incident (or any previous incident). 99% of the time they focus on the ladies. Regardless, please do as much research as you feel is necessary before setting up a meeting.

If you are worried about any information we might keep in our databases being compromised, this was definitely not that sort of thing. Truly, this was a run of the mill sting operation that targeted providers on P411, as well as Backpage. Please keep in mind that we delete and destroy any private information that may have been collected during the initial screening process, for the clients safety as well as ours! In addition, we are a 100% Canadian owned and operated company.

Stay safe out there.

Sincerely,
Gina

inicky46 61 Reviews 670 reads

posted 13 years ago

18 / 24

Re: P411 needs to address this.

Just wanted to thank you publicly, Gina, for your very fast response to my email. I remain a very happy P411 member.

madiba51 728 reads

posted 13 years ago

19 / 24

Further proof, if any were needed, that anti-trafficking activists intend to target non-trafficked

sex workers. Note the involvement by anti-trafficking organizations in this combined federal/local action

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 555 reads

posted 13 years ago

20 / 24

Re: Further proof, if any were needed, that anti-trafficking activists intend to target non-traffick

Well of course that's what they do. It's like people having drugs for personal use, being busted to get to the dealers. They actually think some single mom living in North Dakota, has the ins and outs or the black book of some trafficker from another country? WOW. Don't get me wrong, I do know of some sinister shit that goes on, but not many are girls who are trafficked. Most are actually underage runaways doing this out of desperation, and yes...guys pay to fk kids.

One local comes to mind, and he was busted with a 14 year old. He actually found her...get this, at the BUS STATION! Gave her 20 bucks, let her spend the night (fkin him endlessly no doubt for a shower and a meal) and then posted her photos all over another site..face and all. It was later revealed she was "Missing" and only 14. The FBI got his stupid ass so easily. I never heard anything further, but him being a well known attorney who is friends with all the judges, I would not be surprised if he does no time at all. Those are the fktards these people need to worry about, not us.

The bottom line is serious traffickers are not that easily caught. This is a multi billion dollar a year business, and the higher ups are far from ignorant on how to get away with it. It's disgusting.

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galaxy_note2 470 reads

posted 13 years ago

21 / 24

It's absurd

but then, so are majority of the threads in the forums.

if people believed everything that is being said in the forums, then they must subscribe to the National Inquirer.

Galaxy

Posted By: London Rayne

"They have never busted anyone from Date Check in over 15 years" lol. Um, exactly HOW do you know this, because they said so? If Date Check does not have your personal info for your membership, how can they possibly know when or if your provider/hobby HANDLE was busted lol. Gosh...

This is on the Colorado Board.

They have never busted anyone from date-check in almost 15 years because date-check doesn't let any provider in that doesn't have a current provider that will vouch for them in. P411 lets any provider in that has just 1 or 2 reviews many that are not even real providers. I have seen many p411 ladies blacklist guys for no reason, the same guys I have seen with no problems and when I ask the guy about it, he tells me they lie and promise they will not show up with a driver, and they try the cash and das shit or they do bait and switch. There have been many arrests through p411 over the years and the site admin says she is OK with their members sending the providers illegal requests through their own sever. Date-check provides discretion safety and the make their clients behave like gentlemen. Yes p411 hs tons of young girls at really low prices and we all know the average rate for a provider is at least 200 to 300 a hour so when you look for a deal, you might get a lot of DRAMA + end up very disappointed.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/22-female-escorts-busted-in-sting-by-the-fbi-denver-police-aurora-police-lakewood-police-more

USGrantlover 225 Reviews 694 reads

posted 13 years ago

22 / 24

P411

I've used P411 as a primary screening tool for well over a year. Never had close to a bad experience. Just my two cents.......

natashalynne See my TER Reviews 660 reads

posted 13 years ago

23 / 24

I have a former client whose Date-check ID was taken over by Milwaukee LE....

He was busted and threatened with deportation (he is Russian) if he didn't let LE use his ID. At least 1 girl was busted as a result -- she emailed me to let me know so that I wouldn't give a reference for him to anyone else.

The guy's profile disappeared from DC, but they never publicly acknowledged any issue with it. That is exactly why I have more respect for, and trust of, P411 -- Gina is transparent with the issues where DC is not.

To claim that DC has never been compromised is an outright lie. I know it for a fact.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 737 reads

posted 13 years ago

24 / 24

Re: I have a former client whose Date-check ID was taken over by Milwaukee LE....

Thank you! The voice of reason, as always. I find it comical that people always want to blame someone else for their own actions. Guess what...if I get busted tomorrow, it is no one's fault but MY OWN!