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Gents: Be Careful With Providers’ PII
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From SW Twitter:

Woke up to a message ..He sent over his references in the initial text, and included providers REAL names first and last. I’m sorry.. what the f?!? Uh no, you’ll never get a date with me. Ever. Ladies, I’m not sure if you told him this info or he found out but it’s not safe.
Screenshot of the conversation (she blacked out all identifying info:
Monger:  A (xxxx xxxxxx) & B (xxxx xxxxx) can serve as references. I also met with a young lady you referred me to several months ago but I forget her name. I think you were roommates?

I’m a 49 year old, overweight, professional if that matters.

Thanks

Hallie: are these names in parentheses their real names?!?

Monger: Yes. I don’t know if you know them by their real names or their advertising names.

Hallie: I will never see you. This is absolutely insane that you would message a provider…

Crazy stuff.  Must be something in the water these days.  He did leave one part out of his message:  if there is an emergency during our time together, please contact my wife at.....

Even in the only five cases where I knew the girls' real names, it wouldn't even occur to me to use anything except their screen names when referring to them... regardless of whom I mentioning them to. That's some naïve shit right there.
 
PS: Funny, I started out saying "...five cases where I knew the girls' real names." Then I changed it to four. Now five. Who knows if I really thought about it what the real number is. But I think it's five.🤫

Many moon ago, I had something sort of funny happen.  Before the age of mobile phones, I used to book appts from my home phone (land line).  Anyway, a companion I had seen many times and had a great rapport with called me to setup an appt or confirm one (I forget, it's been so long ago).   She called me and the call went like this:

Me:  Hello
Her: Hi!  This is (insert real name here)... oh shit (hangs up immediately)
Me:  (not sure what just happened)

few mins later phone rings again

Me:  Hello
Her:  Hi!  This is (insert stage name here).  I'm sorry about that other call
Me:  It's ok, no worries

then we discussed business at hand.  Even though she dropped her real name, I always referred to her by her stage name and we had a good laugh about the incident.  :)

Good story. One of the girls whose real name and DOB I learned happened because she had to respond to a cop. Yep, she was getting questioned by a cop with me there and it ended with one of us in handcuffs.
 
I yelled comforting things to her as the cruiser drove her away.  
 
How many times have you had to deal with cops while with your hooker for the evening as the star attraction? For me, they've come to the door three times, but allowed in only that once.

Adonis4869 reads

Talk about a mood killer! Cops at the door is one of the main causes of ED.

I am open with my real name, and I have had a few clients mention a provider by their real name, but I honestly am not going to remember or associate that person by their real name anyway. Any interaction we have with another provider we use our "stage" names, so giving a provider's real name is useless to us. I try to think the best of people so I can only assume this guy did not know that in this community we just don't use our real names. I would not think he was trying to be malicious, but yes, there are some providers that are not open and may have families or another job so it is best practice to not use a provider's real legal name if you know it.

I think you are the extremely rare exception.  I imagine that 99.9% of providers would be totally freaked out if a new client gave references with real names.  I'm sure their first thought is -  Grade A stalker.  Other than telling a provider, "Hey, I just got out of prison from serving five years for assault and battery, let's get together tomorrow night", I can't think of another thing that would totally unnerve a provider than the use other providers' real names.  But, maybe, the prison reference wouldn't bother you at all.

Also, it can send an ambiguous message.
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Option A: Maybe HE thinks it's a sign of his trustworthiness. "My hostesses trust me so much that we exchange our real names."  
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Option B: Maybe SHE, his next choice of date, will think that he rifled the wallet or pocketbook or phone of a prior date while she was temporarily indisposed and that he STOLE her info without her knowledge or permission.  
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The choice is HERS, not HIS.

Posted By: Newto1000
Re: providers real names  
I think you are the extremely rare exception.  I imagine that 99.9% of providers would be totally freaked out if a new client gave references with real names.  I'm sure their first thought is -  Grade A stalker.  Other than telling a provider, "Hey, I just got out of prison from serving five years for assault and battery, let's get together tomorrow night", I can't think of another thing that would totally unnerve a provider than the use other providers' real names.  But, maybe, the prison reference wouldn't bother you at all.

Option A is a joke, right?  You can't believe that anyone in their right mind would actually believe that a provider would deem them trustworthy by divulging the real names of other providers.  That is what this thread is about - people who do stupid shit, not whether there is some reasonableness about divulging real names.  Maybe we should call you "Mr Ambiguity".  Fits better than the ridiculous "Impposter" name.

Adonis4875 reads

I've had my share of experiences with providers that are just plain nuts. Most are relatively level headed or appear so during communication and the session, but some are truly bonkers. Even the smallest thing will set them off on a tirade from hell. I could tell you stories...  

Giving personal PII is never advised if it can at all be helped. In some cases a booker requires it, at that point you have to decide if the booker/provider is reputable and if it's worth whatever you are risking in terms of your home and business if it's revealed.  

If you are married or in a serious relationship and have a family life, business or job that would be placed in jeopardy I'd say avoid personal P11 as a rule and only use providers that won't require your personal info to book. In my view, P411 and 2 recent references should suffice.  

I recently had a KGIRL booker that wanted my license, selfie photos holding it, and 4 other personal ID documents including my employer and business info. I refused and he would not do business with me.  

No way. It just isn't worth it to me.  

The first rule I was taught as a young man is "Never lose your head over a piece of tail"

Posted By: Adonis48
Re: Some of these gals are truly nuts  
I've had my share of experiences with providers that are just plain nuts. Most are relatively level headed or appear so during communication and the session, but some are truly bonkers. Even the smallest thing will set them off on a tirade from hell. I could tell you stories...  "
Thanks for that, I thought it was just me. It's only happened a couple of times, but one of them was insane asylum material. The things that set her off were, I have to imagine, the result of being severely OCD. Tight routine tuns me off. I want to fuck them the way *I* want to fuck them. If I want to do mish first, that's my call! I mean, how is something like that even treated like it's open for debate? SMH.

on life to choose to be this intimate with complete strangers for money.  Most of the providers I have seen were intelligent, strong women.  The few that were "nuts" are the outliers and should not be in this business in the first place.

Agree. And if one does one’s homework and only sees ladies with multiple positive reviews and no reviews indicating craziness it’s pretty easy to avoid the nut cases. In my own experience the only times I’ve had wacko dates were when I either went cheap or took a chance on a lady with only a few reviews.

It was about a monger who put one or two providers real names in an email asking for an appointment with a 3rd provider. She rightfully declined to see the guy. Has nothing to do with giving your own information for screening.

 
The guy clearly was showing he could not be trusted to make a sound judgement and keep what should be confidential, confidential. Bad move and very poor judgement.

However, this information was relayed to one person only, in this case. Well, I guess he'd send these refs to each person he wanted to be with.  

 
If anyone thinks this is in any way comparable, much less equivalent to a provider outing a client's pii on public domain like twitter, they are delusional.

 
All that said, I applaud the provider for her response. Tbh she didn't even need to post that message. It'd be a perfect textbook example how to deal with this.

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