I have a question that might "arouse" some strong feelings (LOL!!) but here goes.  

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Nuff said.

wanting to live large, but I must say on this one, Mick took the words right out of my mouth.  I have never attended any classes, because I already have my hooker PHD, but there is an online university here that can supposedly offer instruction in how to avoid paying the listed price.  Just PM Jack, the Dean at JDU.  Not sure how much the tuition is, but, ironically, its probably NOT negotiable.

Does she list a 6 hour rate? In my opinion you should pay her rate she is asking. Maybe while on your date for a future date you could offer the business opportunity to her. Leave it alone for now.

Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat her too..

Oh Lord---I KNEW at least one person would get all pissy about it! LMAO! if you disagree, that's all well and good!! But listen, as long as I'm not being vulgar or disrespectful I will say what I have to say just like anybody else that posts here!! I'd bet if somebody told you to "shut up" after making a post you'd be ready to have his thumbs broken!!  

any time that I have spent off the clock time with a provider, it was at the suggestion of the lady. And even then, I made sure to clarify the situation.  

Go see her for the four hour session.   Be as affable and gentlemanly as you can possibly be.    

Sure. Many things are possible. It's possible for example that Charlize Theron will show up at my front door tonight, grab me, and make mad, passionate love to me.

She's ringing my door bell right now.

You ask good question, but you will not like good answer.

Both you wrong, she is at my house putting lube on my strap on and invited two of her friends to join us.

I suggest booking her for four hours and letting her know (at the time you make the appointment) that you'd be happy to take her out to out to a nice dinner afterwards if she is hungry after all the good lovin'.  

A great answer---that is probably the approach I will take!! Thank you, sir!!

Pay no attention to the spineless wimps who are telling you NOT to negotiate....lest she be offended.

You’re not arguing that her rate is too high. You’re saying you can’t afford the amount of time you wish to book. If you go with that approach, I don’t think you will be successful and may be looked at as a time waster, squandering any goodwill you have built.  

You actually stated what you should do with her in your OP. "Rip off your clothes, bang away, and be done." If you want to meet a women that likes to read, visit your local library.

Better lay the groundwork at halftime. He wants to wine and dine and converse before the main event. if he waits the full 4 hours, then he's liable to go home with his gun still fully loaded.  
 

JDU's founder is Kryptonite to hookers.  You are setting the poor OP up for an epic fail.  But maybe that's what you intended?

My very old and  wise instructor warned us that we were acquiring skills and knowledge that friends and relatives would find useful and want us to perform at reduced (or free) rates because they were our "friends and relatives."

An even better answer than Mr. Fisher's. WONDERFUL suggestion---thanks very much!! (I am already mulling some possibilities--and you're right--in the best negotiations everybody feels like they succeeded in getting what they wanted!!)

YOU know that there are many "successful negotiations" that are kinda win/kinda win.  Perhaps you've never done a large deal, but I have had my share.  Rarely does either party come away with what they are seeking...and often times one party is quite unhappy with the result.  However...both parties generally will agree that it was better to come to terms and get something, versus nothing.

Because as has been noted in may threads by now, there is a real divergence of opinion regarding whether to pay to take someone out for a nice dinner. I think rasha and the doc above have put you on the right path - if you suggest 2 hrs before and 2 hrs after dinner on the clock with a nice dinner off the clock (as for the sake of discussion you fall into the camp of not paying  to take someone to dinner) in between, especially since you two hit it off previously, I think there is a 95% chance you will get the answer you want.  Since this would be an evening gig,  she won't likely have plans with anyone after you so OK, maybe a 90% chance of success...  but still those are odds I'd take and the worst she can say is 'no.'

1 - OP why don't you follow the advice of this denigrating nitwit and better yet print his post off and use it as your guide, let her know what great advice you received from seasoned vets and let us know how that works out for you.
2- If you can only afford a VW stay away from the Ferraris

And I'm not even that kind of Doctor  LOL

When it comes to multi-hour dates, the difference between a 4- and 6- hour date would usually be fairly minimal, at least compared to her hourly rate.  

I think all the price-chiselers should stick together, so I think he deserves to be tutored by Jack, don't you?  Lol

Even if we stipulate to your belief that all providers are motivated sellers, the type of session he seeks will likely not occur if she begrudgingly accepts his 6 for 4 offer. Even with spending less money, he will not like the result. You may scoff at the non-sexual  aspects of an appointment, but they matter to the OP.

The honest AND "in the know" types here know damn well negotiations take place in this realm and many, many times per day.  

You are speaking for other women here now? Are you the new union head? LOL

But first I like to pay them to eat, then I pay to watch them digest the food I bought them.  Only then do I pay to watch them shit it out. Is that so wrong?

Based on what the OP wrote he is looking for closer to 4 hours of non-BCD time...hence, I would only offer her 2 hour rate.  I believe the OP is asking if he should/could offer a 6:4 deal.

Jake is too scared, or too old, to negotiate but I am fairly certain he doesn't pay above MSRP like yourself. I mean, I HOPE he doesn't but I cant say for sure. LOL

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I wasn't really expecting a real answer from you. LOL

How would possibly know there is a "very slim chance she may agree?"  How do you know what other girls outside of your knowledge?

In my experience, a bad attitude on the part of the provider can turn a $500 session into a $200 session.  You still get everything, but she's not really into it, just phoning it in for the rent money.  Its one thing to chisel a car dealer.  The salesman still gets a commission but you're not counting on HIM for the way the car performs.  It is what it is.  In a provider transaction, she is in control of the quality of the session from start to finish.  I think knocking the price down, even if she agrees, is going to get you less than her best effort, and if I'm going to spend money on pussy, I want the best effort she has, or else I'd rather pass and try someone else.  

...your hand is very weak. You have never spent time with her. You have no "bond", no "chemistry", no "hisory", no nothing you can offer her other than less money.  Losing proposition.

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that come together to create OTC time, but I agree, don't be the first one to suggest it.  Let her do it.   Once the precedent have been set by her, then its okay to suggest subsequent outings occasionally.  Just asking her because you want it is probably the worst thing he can do, as some of the providers have indicated.

Why don't you think a girl can accept an arrangement, bargained in good faith, and still provide a great service? Do you think she is a bad business person who is unable to make the best decisions for her particular situation?

The 6 for 4 offer was attributed to the OP, not you. I also suspect you understand my use of the term motivated seller in the context of negotiation.  

Just that she may have more effort to give if she wasn't discounting, but you won't know it, and it still might be a good session by your standards.  Its kind of like fucking a civvie girl who is still mad at you.  You're her boyfriend, so she will still give you sex, but you know something is off.  A real pro will not let you know she is not giving her best effort.  Most of them are academy award quality actresses.  I just think human nature kicks in the a provider would be thinking to herself, why should I give the same session to a discount-hound that I gave to the nice guy that didn't question my rate.  Its a subtle difference and you may NEVER see it if you are ALWAYS getting discounts, because then you have no baseline for comparison.  Its like the guy who's perfectly happy with that nice flank steak he's eating because he's never gotten a ribeye, so he thinks what he's got is as good as it gets.

But I can.  Duncey can't read.  Now go back and try again.  I never said "I" don't negotiate. I said YOU are Kryptonite.
For God's sake man, TRY to keep up.  

Do you really think I started out as a newb negotiating my ass off? I cant most assuredly tell you I did not. In fact, I bought into the bullshit back then that "hookers don't negotiate." I came to find out that was a lie.

is probably going to minimize the potential damage.  I often piggyback outside time onto a two-hour session.  Sex first, then dinner, and its most often agreed to at the prior session so we BOTH know to block off the time from our schedules.  Pre-arranging is best because nothing makes me feel more stupid that having a provider suggest while I'm showering up that we go get something to eat together, and I already have a business appointment for after our session.  That is a lost opportunity that may never come your way again.   I just think there is no easy way to bring this up during a session for OTC after the SAME session, but your way has the best potential from what has been suggested here so far.

My first thoughts are why in the hell a guy would  want a six hour session with a girl he's never met. Even the girl might not want that.

I think you discount the fact:

If I got a vibe like she was new, diva-ish, and overpriced... I'd tell him to go for it. For this girl... NO. She sounds mature, successful, and professional. She's obviously a skillful marketer, AND compelling in person. Also, I'd wager, experienced and established (not new to the business, probably has a regular clientele)... or, at least she will be if she's the way he makes her sound.

I think if its a girl who's six-hour rate is only $100 more than her four-hour rate, then he should also start a course of antibiotics a few days prior to the session, just to get a jump on the potential outcome.

I have never asked a girl for a discount off of her posted rate, and I won't repeat the reasons a twenty-seventh time.  Price is what you pay, value is what you get.  I can afford to TOFTT, so if it wasn't worth it, I just won' repeat, but I don't want to be sitting there post-mortem wondering if it would have been better had I NOT asked her to discount her rate, so I just don't go there.  We will continue to disagree, but after 600+ providers in the relatively short nine years I have been in the hobby, I have a solid sense of what works best for my style.  I won't change.  I'm having too much fun.  

question for the OP on this thread. . . . . who would book six hours with a new girl they haven't met, no matter what others said about her.  I have had some two-hour initial sessions that SEEMED like six hours because I couldn't wait to get out of there, and often did just that, left early.  

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not this time.  Well stated.  Quid pro quo is an excellent way to desccribe the relationship with a hooker.  Sometimes, its strictly about pussy and money, and other times there are additional intangibles involved that motivate one side of the other to do some differently.  

You really DON'T think those girls that would fit that description to a "T" negotiate? Again, how could you possibly know that? You cant Voo-doo so please stop telling us you do. You can ONLY tell us what YOU do.

How you hobby is none of my business.  

You like her,  Be A Gentleman. .xoxo

Exactly. You don't go to work 8 hrs and get paid for 6 right?

Go ahead and tell him what you think.   Lol

I wouldn't advise negotiating...it will start you off on the wrong foot with her and even if she agrees to a deal she may resent you which could affect your session.

in your personnel life as well as here.

but first you need to give us an idea about just how "High class" she is, and how much the difference between her 4 and 6 hour rate is. Her hourly rate for context would be helpful as well.

JD never said "you don't negotiate" he said you never pay "over" MSRP,

I have done multiple four hour dinner dates. EVERY time the dates have lasted 5 hours plus. A few weeks ago I arranged a 4 hour dinner date while traveling. The lady showed up at seven, we played a little, headed to dinner for 8:30 reservations, then back at hotel close to 11, and she left my company around 12:30.  That's 5 hours and 30 minutes.  There was no additional exchange of money beyond the 4 hour dinner date fee. She viewed me as her date for the entire evening and we enjoyed an extremely carefree /relaxing time.  

So you're also spouting generalities about something you have no experience with I could be wrong, but I had the impression that the lady described by the OP was NOT an inexperienced young'un.  

unless you want to plead guilty to selective quoting.  What Duncey actually wrote was "Jake is too scared, or too old, to negotiate."  He wrote that BEFORE he wrote the part about MSRP.  That's saying  I don't negotiate about as clearly as can be. Please stop embarrassing yourself like this.  It is almost painful to watch.
Now go play with the fatty twins, if you can handle them.

As an Independent provider,
not affiliated with an Agency or Assistant,  
I make the decision as to what and who I am going to do on any given day.
If you cannot talk with the provider, personally, I believe negotiating is out.

....I don't have a 4hr or a 6hr rate. I just have a dinner date rate.
Dependent on a multitude of factors the dates generally run between 4 and 6 hrs. Just as an overnight generally runs between 12 and 15 hours.
Men that know what they are doing and don't want to offend/find themselves in an awkward situation will almost always outline how they have planned the evening. It allows me to say no if I wish. The same with overnights.  

Great answer,  
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