It wasn't even so much that...personally, I'm a gfe type, not a pse. It was simply that I walked into an open minded ad with probably the most closed minded provider....ever. lol

When you see, and it write an ad and it says "open minded", what does that mean to you?

Seems to me that lately, it means nothing. It's frustrating as all hell. Would live to hear from a provider on this...

'open-minded' means she is willing to explore any deviate pleasure your dirty little mind can conjure up..most men are this way..they love debauchery..they just wont admit it..

Ok...so I have seen a few adds with an "I'm Open Minded" tag. I make the appointment...$250 for the hour, I get there and ask the obligatory...what are your rules, and I get:

No Kissing
Everythings Covered
No fingers
No DATY
No toys
No Anal
No spanking
No hair pull

and the list goes on...Can't even remember the rest.

I'm just baffled...What is so openminded about this? I get that everyone has rules. Guess I just don't expect them to have more rules then an S.O.

With all the rules she had, I'm surprised we even got to that...by the time she was done, I thought I was just paying for an hour of hearing all the shit she doesn't do...

That's what I would think...but apparently, I am wrong. At least today.

sounds like you booked mother teresa..

Now that you've provided more detail, it's fairly obvious that her  'open minded' come-on was deliberately vague.  After you handed over your envelope, she rolled out her list of 'rules'.  I appreciate when a provider includes  'YMMV' in her menu, because that's the most honest statement she can make.  --z

For example, did she say, "I'm open-minded" on her site?  Or did she say, "I'm open-minded," after you asked, "Well, do you do anal?"

HOW the term was used IN CONTEXT will allow us to answer your question better.

Used on the site...

Not the first time this has happened either. Had one that I believe had a shill write a review for her. I egt there, and there's no GFE or BBJ. That one actually pointed to her TER ID in her ad.

I always ask what's off the table when I get there...just wanting to get on the same page.

Seems to me that open minded should mean that either she's willing to try things, or is already a bit freaky...I could see a change of heart if maybe I brought a toy that was gas powered...or asked for Anal but was stacked like John Holmes...

It just pisses me off...I already have a provider down the road that's a non GFE quicky. And a nice girl to boot. I don't need to travel for something different and get there for the same ole'. I'm starting to wonder if I am reading these ads right.

... then you should already know exactly what is on her menu before you ever meet here. Sounds like either you don't have VIP or you like to TOFTT.

Get VIP and/or stick to the well reviewed. Don't take the nonsense you read in their ads and on their websites so literally.

Oh ... I just looked at your reviews. It looks like you're getting exactly what you can usually expect at that price point and ad venue. Did you read their reviews before seeing them?

I can't discuss it with you on an open forum/website etc..
but with the right person and in the right setting
I can be a freak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite frankly, it has so many possible meanings as to have no really meaning at all. Meaning of course that you should simply ignore it.

And have no problem getting and retaining clients. Sounds like you want PSE but are choosing the wrong ladies...

PSE is open minded. And I guess a GFE lady can be open minded with the right guy...meaning she is willing to try his dirty shit. A level of trust might be needed in most cases of "open minded". To say it right out of the gate will cause her trouble, especially if she has those restrictions.

Does not mean she is Mother Teresa. He failed to do proper research to find a lady that allows what he wants.

Or, read the reviews and look for anal and freaky, I am sure it's out there.

At least as far as I am concerned.

Plenty of gals that have NO reviews discussing this will play with some guys in this manner.

Unfortunately, most of the time this is not revealed in a review.  So for someone like the OP he may just have to ask in correspondence, or see a gal and ask post session.

FWIW...hasn't been an issue for me finding many gals who will play rough.  And you would never expect that given the reviews they have posted  LOL

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Some guys are just going to have to TOFTT and hope for the best. And asking in correspondence may get him the delete button right off the bat. And really asking shit like that sight unseen won't get him very many positive answers either. Seeing a gal and asking post session is the best bet. Then she has a feel for him and might be willing or he'll get the hell no and that's that!

Perhaps you didn't follow my comments

I have really never done a TOFTT...and don't plan on it either.

I approach a gal with a request for a session...and during the email banter will ask if she has an interest in playing some games.  If (and they almost always seem curious) she says "what do you have in mind?" I'll send her a short story of what I have in mind.

And I have yet to have ANY gal hit the delete button using this method.  Many gals will reply with either a "sure, that sounds like fun"...or "not my cup of tea sweetie".  So depending on the reply I know going in what type of session I will have, and so does the gal.

But I have also used the post session to have a similar discussion.  It just depends on my mood at the time.

I am usually an open book for a gal to get a comfort level with.  And at least for me, that approach has worked well thus far

No reviews on this one...yet. waiting a few days to process it before I say anything too mean.

I don't mind toftt. I figure I owe it from time to time since review led me to melody and namely who are both great.

Others that I have seen, even before I found TER were at least as advertised even if the pic was a bit old. Guess I've been lucky. As a somewhat noobie to this, I guess I'm just baffled at my experience on Saturday. I not have an unusual appetite, and most of her do not's were fine by me, it was just such an unbelievable turn off to have the false advertising...

I'm basically saying that if a girl says, "I'm open-minded GFE," that's a different context than purely saying, "New provider offering sessions.  Open-minded."  How the term is used in context makes all the difference in the world.  For example, a girl who I have sense sometimes advertises "open-minded GFE."  I asked her what that meant, and she explained what she meant.  It didn't mean that she open to BBFS or anything, but I can see how her use of the term could have been interpreted in a certain way.

It's a tough one because you can't really ask explicit questions.  What you can probably do is ask the girl upfront if the TER reviews and profile are indicative of and accurate in describing the session.  But I admit even that's not 100% failsafe.

Some girls are more open to certain things with certain clients in certain situations than others are.

I'm not saying you're suggesting this, but would you really want a girl who provides a one-size-fits-all session?  Or would you rather it be a bespoke experience?

Dear Ms. Rayne:
I am wondering could that also have a connotation of someone who has several proclivities and covers it under the phrase "open minded" so it is all encompassing with respect to the myriad of inquiries that she would receive?  Although the scope of activities that you would perform personally more than likely would be smaller than the menu you would offer your SO, certainly there would be a range of services you would offer as London Rayne and another you would offer as your more intimate alter ego.

Most use that phrase on BP to let guys know they have the "possibility" of getting more than a back rub...not always the case. I am very open minded, but I am still YMMV on things like fs and anal for damn sure. Does that mean the guys not able to get that pay the same fee? Nope, which is why I have two different rates for pse and gfe. If a guy claiming he wants gfe is really trying to get pse without paying for it, well he deserves what he gets.

I am talking about mentioning explicit sexual acts in an email ( I thought most knew that this was not a good idea). I will delete. Others might not. The mention of playing games has come up and I have asked what do you mean? If there are sexual terms mentioned I delete. If the guy wants to wear women's underwear and prance around, I don't mind at all.

But the gist of my "story" is explicit enough for a gal to determine whether she has an interest in playing.

And FWIW...there are quite a few gals out there that have no issues in being explicit.  Sometimes it surprises me...other times I look forward to it  LOL

I think it's just B.S. they write. Its a cliche'