Until recently, it has been a while since I have read the TER National Discussion Board. I was a bit bothered and taken back by some of the posts other escorts have made.

One particular post that bothered me was from an escort who said she’d hide under a rock if she only made $500 a day.  What other profession can she make $500 a day, everyday in? What other profession can she have the lifestyle that escorting affords?  

I’m no newbie and would consider myself to be very low volume.  I’m also not greedy.  My wants and needs have become more simplified with age and the more I have traveled the world.

Maybe I’m just living in “Podunk America”, although I did live and work in Denver for many years.  I still consider a salary of $500 a day as making a great living!  You're not going to get rich on $500 a day, but you're going to make more than the average American and have a great lifestyle to boot. How many of our clients make $500 a day or more?  Everyday I'm so thankful and blessed that I no longer have to go to work in Corporate America. Been there, done that.  

Another post that bothered me was flaking out on clients who were hagglers.  I don't find haggling an admirable practice either, but don’t make an appointment with a client you don’t plan on keeping. Period!  

What happened to providers being in the service industry?  I received my service industry training in one of the finest hotels in the country and after 6+ years in the industry, I still treat my clients like the valued guests they are!

My thoughts are that some ladies throughout the country have gotten a “platinum pussy” attitude.  I’m not trying to cause disparity between escorts and the clients.  I just think in the world in which we live in, we should be more appreciative in our chosen line of work!  We need to be reminded that we are a luxury, and this luxury can be taken away from us at any time and at any moment.

Bravo! I only hope you're not torn to pieces for your trouble.
I'll stay tuned.....

I agree with most of what you have said, yet if you are working at the bunny ranch as she had stated ,its all about quantity and not so much Quality. Maybe I'm wrong, Not to say the ladies in a brothel situation are less attentive and all, just have more time restrictions. God only knows how many men you have to see to make $500 a day there. They are busier than an Indie, and their take is less. They have fees to pay for working there and the house takes a cut. I wouldn't want that situation to begin with. Then the  street whore, if She's making $500 a day, from what I saw of the interviews with the 2 gals, they are really seeing a great deal of men and it's not me either. I prefer to be in control of my business and how often I work. The whole brothel thing isn't something I would ever be interested in.  So my point of $500 a day for those  situations, I wouldnt want that.
You are right though, it is a great deal more than most make, and no I would never feel like climbing under a rock, I just think it's not my cup of tea. Each to their own I guess. I am low volume and prefer it that way. I like my reg Gents and like to spend lots of time with some, no clock watching...the ranch and agencies, don't really allow you to bend the rules as you'd like. Being an Indie, I can do that. After all I make the rules. If I am having a great time and it's good on both ends, I have been known to keep the party going...off the clock. Not that I would all the time but I can If I want to. I have some sweet Gents who might pay a discounted rate just because I like them and time slips away from us. I think it's more personal and I like that. I may be way off, like I said I really don't know having never worked for an agency or a brothel. Being an Indie allows me flexability.
There are all different aspects of this business and we each choose what fits our likes and dislikes.

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I didn't see it as a spat, just her Honest opinion...

it is so easy for you to be one of the best service oriented escorts in the nation.

you might find most escorts here agree with you. after all, why would we even post here unless we were taking the time out of our day to assist clients in having a more successful hobby experience.  explaining to a guy that if he haggles, he may be increasing his chances of getting flaked on doesnt mean i condone the practice, however i felt as if clients should be aware that this has been going on and according to the large number of women who admitted they have done it, its not something new.. .. my motivation in posting the topic was to maybe help someone save some time in their day by not rearranging their whole schedule to drive across town and meet with an escort who might not feel as if she has to keep an appointment since its not her usual rate.

i applaud you for standing up and pointing out what all the other escorts are doing wrong and explaining to the clients how you are so much better because otherwise, they might not have noticed what an asset you are to the community.
its looks like you also want to save the clients some time by showing them exactly how to reach an escort who knows how to treat them right.

i'm a bit more bothered by escorts that use the general discussion board for marketing themselves and it makes me wonder why they need to.  i try to post for the benefit of the community, not just to  myself but i understand not all escorts are the same.

i know that strategic link placement is paramount to an escort's online marketing success and i see you excel in that aspect of your business too.

bravo

-- Modified on 3/23/2008 10:14:57 AM

She sounds very happy, and logical too.
Perhaps your "friend" should heed her advice, and the advice of others who find your "friend's" tactic to be unacceptable.
I don't understand why some people have such difficulty with constructive criticism.  

Let's all calm down...she is intitled to her opinion...she sees it one way, and maybe you see it another. The end

While this is only one ladies opinion, I don't disagree with anything she says.  In fact, she makes some great points.  

Kudos to you, Elizabeth!

some people need the extra ad space


ego-check, she moved to bay yesterday and i was sorry to see her go but i dont tell other escorts how to run their business as its really not my business.

Great attitude.  Most providers I have connected with are like you or at least share your general outlook.  It has been awhile since we had providers like you on the general discussion board.  If you show up more, I may also check the board more often (this is not meant to dissuade you).  Have a great Easter.

gives this thing of ours a bad name and leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.  The proper way, it seems to me, to handle a haggler is to tell him, politely, that you don't care to see him and disengage, rather than make a date one has no intention of keeping.  Those ladies who see nothing wrong with making a date with a creep with no intention of keeping it compound the problem.

A lady sets her prices, there are reviews to justify whether or not the hobbyist wants to partake.

Anybody who trys to haggle should be turned down, politely, but told "no thanks."

When I see a beautiful lady I'm glad she doesn't say "GET OUT" when she first sees me!!

whenever a guy haggles with me, i raise my price so it's rare that we ever get to the agreeing part but i'm sure if we did, i'd show.

i dont judge the way other people run their business, i might offer some advice but in the end, it's their decision to make.

some people have ethics, some dont. some people need to put other people down in order to make themselves look good, some people look good because they dont put other people down.... everybody gets their own drummer.

If you WERE to barter with him (to which you did say that you do not participate in), then you just might stand him up if something better came along in the mean time.

It amazes me how many girls view this industry and the way they treat their clients.  I am not looking to criticize here because this is America and each girl runs her own business, so to each her own BUT I don’t think many realize what is at stake when they make certain choices.  It is every provider’s right as a human being to conduct themselves in a manner they deem appropriate but most don’t realize what you choose to do or not do will affect your business.  Be it a good affect, a bad affect or none at all- you must suffer the consequences of your actions.

What other services do consumers pay a minimum of $200/hr and upwards of $$$$???- plug in whatever price you want?  Doctors, attorneys, specialists and I’m sure there are some others I’m not thinking of at the moment.   If your doctor dicked you around by being late for an appointment or NC/NSing- would you be returning?

This is a purely luxury item and one that doesn’t have any lasting, tangible value.  It is like enjoying a very expensive meal.  Sure it tastes great, and you enjoy it thoroughly at the time but you can’t take it home and set it up on the shelf to be admired, so to speak.  And just like restaurants, there are many providers to select from.  While a certain restaurant may have calamari that is to die for, there are plenty of other eateries that also serve the same thing.  Especially in a large market, choice is so readily available that if a restaurant has terrible service it almost always goes under- even if the food is great.

I have moved dinner plans, totally rearranged my daily schedule, and even moved flights to accommodate regular clients.  Do I have to put myself out for my clients?  Absolutely, but I am a service provider.  I know that it will pay me dividends if I bend myself to a gentleman’s schedule.  I don’t just mean monetary reward either; some of my best clients are those that know I will do my absolute best to accommodate their hectic schedules.  They appreciate me because even thou it is my prerogative to do and act as I want, I respect that they have limited time and resources and move heaven and earth to please them.  I have received champagne, coffee, flowers, candy, foot rubs, gift certificates, excellent legal and investment advice and tons of repeat business from grateful clients.

Bottom line is, in my eyes, no one wants to play top-dollar to be treated like shit—no matter what you are selling.

As for hagglers- there is absolutely NO POINT to seeing them or even entertaining their offers.  They will not be enjoyable, friendly or repeat clients- so don’t waste your time- or theirs.

XO
Melanie

Good attitude. No reason to make an appointment you don't keep.  Hurts everyone.

Some nationalities cocsider it rude NOT to haggle - not mine - but they don't thin k of themselves as being cheap.

or a combination of both.

But if you are not a VIP Member of TER, then you don't get to read your private mail.  

I have not been a VIP member since TER started allowing ladies full access to their reviews.

She's clearly advertising, attempting to make herself look better over some other girls. I don't see many of these "platinum pussy" types who don't provide excellent service, though. Just because some girls may operate differently than she does in her later years, doesn't mean that they have to be villified.

I think there's room for us all... some girls are just higher maintenance and can easily command the higher rates, poke a little fun and have the guys forgive them, whatever.

To the original poster, I roll my eyes and wish you much business off of this post by tearing the other girls down because it's rather pathetic. If you're not busy these days, it might be for other reasons, not because of the escorts you find yourself competing with...

Katie

You probably are going to say you don’t remember, but I made two attempt to set-up a session with you :
Attempt 1 left thorough screening info including refs on VM
Attempt 2 filled contact info on site & after two days later left a detailed message

I hold no grudge about the lack of response, but that did make me question all the stellar high praises I’ve heard about your reputation. So for the next potential client who sends you their info, try to follow your own advice you gave here.

For the people who are getting ready to verbally pelt me, I was polite, have great references & I’m a gentleman with no hobby incidents with any ladies. So I can’t understand for the lack of response. Internets black hole maybe, but I left messages on VM as well.

I think it is exactly those higher maintenance girls...who "easily" command higher rates, poke fun, and yet have guys "forgive" them...that EM is speaking against.  In that respect, I wholeheartedly agree with her.

Both you and Ana are guessing that EM made this post to make herself seem better than other providers to get more business.  It would seem a strange forum to do so...for several reasons.  

I would guess New Mexico isn't a huge destination for "National board" types, so I would doubt there would be a huge increase in business for her from this thread.  Maybe a few guys, but not a lot of new, regular clients.  Would it really be worth inviting the ire of your sisters in business just to get a few one-time clients?  

Also, it seems as if EM has a decent number of recent reviews, which would imply she isn't "starving" for the business.  

Finally, EM hasn't posted here for the past year, except for the past couple of days, and if she was such a business hound, you would think she would have been working the boards more than that.  She only has a couple of posts on her local board, even, so she certainly isn't the huge self-promoter that Ana implied.

Maybe she actually just really believes what she said, and had the guts to say it.

Of course, all of this is so much mental masturbation, as the bottom line is that if enough clients pay your price, you have no reason to give a fuck what anyone else says.  It doesn't mean that it can't be the truth, though.

Woh there bud... I'm just saying there's room for everyone and if these girls operate their business that way, she doesn't need to tear them down. She can operate her business her way, they can operate their business their way and I can do my stuff my way. There really is room for everyone.

I personally don't care how one girl conducts her business compared to another since it's not my business I have to worry about, but I did think that it was a post made in order to make herself look better in comparison.

You may not agree and that's the beauty of having different opinions, but does it matter? Nope. Am I going to cry now? Nope. Do I feel that I'm among any of these people she's calling out? Nope. I'm pretty secure, if you haven't guessed by now.

Katie

DT is probably correct, Katie.
The impression I got from the original post was not self serving. Sure, she probably felt better after getting that off her chest/breast, but if she were trying to make herself look good for business purposes, she could have done it much easier on her regional board.
Certainly, her comments were not directed towards you, because you are, well, a Lady.
I can't say that about a few other providers posting as of late.

Why post as an alias?  If you sent me your actual information I would better be able to remember you.

If I did drop the ball, I apologize.  I was not saying I was blamless- I was just pointing out suffering consequences of actions.  Apparently, I am suffering mine now by you making a point to publicly call me out.  I find it highly unlikely that I didn't return the email or call eventually to try to make things right, but I suppose it is possible.

Please feel free to contact me again, and I'll make a point to screen you again.

I really do not remember you- especially because you posted an alias and you didn't give me any information.  However, it may have been your voicemail that alarmed me or perhaps there was something in your references that made me pass.  I have been known to do that on occassion.  I believe in chemistry very much, and if I got any sense that we may not "click" I might have avoided you.  If I did, the only thing I am guilty of is not coming out and telling you I wasn't interested and for that, I am sorry for wasting your time.

Just because you're buying, doesn't mean I'm selling.

XO
Melanie

Ana, you just wrote:

"whenever a guy haggles with me, i raise my price so it's rare that we ever get to the agreeing part but i'm sure if we did, i'd show."

You would?  Did you change your mind since writing the following?

“i dont let guys haggle, but if i did.. i might not be as concerned about keeping an appointment for less than my rate. especially if someone else calls before the guy gets there.”

As ed2000 did, I interpret that to mean that you might not show up.

I don't fault hagglers, at least if a lady doesn't say that it's unacceptable, but it's not for me.  Maybe I'm more fastidious, but if I don't want to pay a lady more than her posted rates, I'd rather not see her.  Theoretically, a client should never pay a lady's posted rates.  If he's looking for a bargain, he should haggle and if he cares more about being with the lady than the money, he should pay her more so he can stand out to her.  I like a line by Steve Martin's character in "My Blue Heaven."  To explain why he's so loose with money, he says it's not tipping that he believes in, but over tipping.

I guess one of the problems with cyberspace is the fact that we can't truly see the speaker and discern the subtle nonverbal cues that add to the message. I took it one way, he took it another. Oh well...

Thanks for the compliment as I always hope to be seen as a lady.

Katie

In many Latin American countries where the hobby is legal haggling is the norm. I don't personally haggle because I feel it takes away from the experience, but to others it is the norm.

FWIW I find EM's attitude refreshing, if as has been suggested that she is simply trying to drum up business, then so be it. Since when is there anything wrong with having a nice attitude as opposed to coming across as some kind of prima donna that expects her customers to jump through all sorts of hoops for the "priveledge" of spending money on her?

Elizibeth, kudos to you I wish more providers would adopt your attitude. Well actually many do, at least in my experience, but kudos to you just the same.

I’m not going to go back and forth here, I‘m not trying to be negative, I’m sorry if it came across that way. The alias debate, no need to defend that, since it’s my choice. I will say it again, great advice you posted, but a follow through with potential clients would be nice if your answer is yes or no.

I’m not the guy who gets pissy over being declined. For the record, I gave my screening info not my TER handle, since I don’t give that out period. As for my references, they have your same type of “persona” so I don’t know how that can alarm you & also I asked them did you contact them & their reply was no. For the VM I left the same info I filled out on your site & was professional in my tone, so I don’t know, how did that “alarm you”.

I know some guys like to chase a woman down & double or triple call & e-mail them, that’s not me, two attempts is my max. Like your last remark- Just because I have money to burn, doesn’t mean I’m going to beg a woman to take either. I brought this up so you can be aware in the future, that’s all. Once again this post was not to bash you or put unnecessary spotlight on you. Since I couldn’t get a response from you in the conventional ways, I figured this would definitely get your attention. This is water under the bridge for me, I’m making you aware, in case you honestly didn’t get my info.

I made my point, so this matter is closed for me.

I travel quite a bit for work. I’m always going to new places, so I started keeping a “to do” list. It’s not driven by geography but instead by woman I just happen to run across. There’s only 9 names on it right now. Each one has something unique that’s drawn my attraction. The Albuquerque slot isn’t empty anymore.

I completely agree with you and TRB . We are in the service industry. NO the customer is not always right, and NO I'm not Burger King, but you should try to be accommodating.

 I get very upset over no calls/ no shows, my site even says so.When a client No calls/No shows me, I do my very best to see to it that the only thing he is going see for the next six months is the toothless , crack whore on the street corner.

So there for clients have EVERY right to get upset about no calls/ no shows.There the ultimate of RUDE! As of a matter of fact if I were a client and a lady did that to me. I would do my very best to make certain that for the next six months all she would see was toothless, fat, hairy balled men with $50 dollars to there name.

 If a potential client wants to haggle you simply say " I'm sorry I don't believe I am the lady for you" To set an appointment, then no call/no show just sets you down to his level and releases bad karma on you.
         Just my 2cents...



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im human.

sometimes irresponsible, sometimes thoughtless, sometimes i do the wrong thing.

i dont allow haggling.. but if i did and i agreed, i'd keep the appointment.

but if someone came along in the meantime and offered my normal rate, i dont know. .. i can see how it would happen though... maybe caller #2 is a regular who i could count on showing up and if caller #1 was an unknown and since we get flaked on alot too, maybe i'd go for the known guy at the higher rate....

still even if i took caller #2, i'd call caller #1 and let him know i changed my mind.  

regardless, if you were looking for someone who claims to be perfect, you got the wrong girl.

For the record, Dagny Taggart is a woman's name.  

Interesting take you have. Would you not care about how someone runs their business if they were duping people?  Hey, anyone can do anything, there's room for us all.

Yes, it is obvious that you are "secure"...as you basically said "I don't care how much sense your post made, I think her post was about her".

Enjoy your youth, dearie.

it isn't an issue I am upset over, as you can see. I think you need to realize that you can't control everybody and that these girls are entitled to run their business the way they want to. So what if they think, act or operate differently? Does it hurt you? No. Big deal if they act like they're God's gift or platinum pussies? So? Who cares?  

As for your reductio ad absurdum argument, obviously stealing is not the same, but to be fair, it's up to the consumer to do his homework and decide who he wants to see. That's why this forum exists. Furthermore, if a gent doesn't like the way a lady comes across on here, he can choose not to see her as well. He can exercise the power of the purse strings, so to speak.

I don't really see how it's a problem for you except to maybe advertise that you are someone who feels ladies should give good service. Great. I know I offer excellent service, so I'm not worried about speaking out that I think this is a stupid post made for no other reason than to advertise and in doing so, tear down other ladies she may not agree with. Hell, I even use my real handle because I'm not afraid to speak honestly and openly. Apparently you are because you're using an alias.

As for my youth, I do enjoy it, thank you very much.

Katie

Do you fault airlines for having the same practices?  If you want to fly stand-by, you may get a lower price- but you may not get a seat at all if someone else shows up and buys a full-price ticket.

class in the business of the biz.

Jesus - Just email me if you have  a gripe=  Yes I am the one that said it -

And yes I make 500 a day and more, every day-

( well not Saturday and Sunday )

Even platinum pussies have to rest -

Its all on someone situation -
I work out of my home .. and I am in the midst of three huge hobbying cities- and 3 huge hobbyist states- Have a great day-

And Smile

You should be smart enough to see right through that post.

Elizabeth wasn't afraid to post openly, either, but look how much respect it got her from you.

Sorry, honey...I'll stay anonymous on this one. I can't hope to match wits with someone as smart as you.

What her comments about me are-  *LOL* Who in the hell could stay in this business if they made less than that????  

I guess a few who are so loud to post and scream platinum pussy type comments don't actually pay for their own home or their work place.... or, their advertising or their computer or tehir Internet server to provide such high speeds to maintain a site- that also costs big $$ if it's done properly.  Lets see what else do some of those women actually forget to account for.....
Hair, nails, clothes, physical maintenance you know that sorta' thing-

Plus airline tickets, and of course TAXES I'm sure she didn't take that into consideration.

Trust me, if you gross less than 5 a day you wouldn't be able to maintain yourself, your lifestyle or your business. (*Some women just don't think before they start posting and guess what.......   THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME !!!!!

My advise- don't post snippidty comments about other women until you have walked a mile in their shoes!    Much luv and kisses ~T

Obviously she is not in tune with the cost of a woman maintaining herself as a provider.   I don't think her class wouldn't be helpful to many! Her statements were short sighted and narrow minded. To make such broad sweeping statements just demonstrates how little thought she put in her post.

Her failure to think out the situation completely before making such a post also makes me wonder if she practices as little research and consideration in the course of her daily business.

First- Escorting is not a "lifetime career" all women know they have a short time span where they are marketable for optimal revenue. Expecting to make more than $500 a day is probably in their business game plan.

Next- why would an individual who is so judgmental even get into the business of being a provider? I think her post suggests that all providers need to be complacent and accepting of the fact that whatever amount of money they make is terrific. What type of twisted logic is that?

As I posted in my comment above- some providers EXPECT tehir time in the business to be limited. They focus their time, efforts and energy into marketing themselves and attaining a specific financial goal in a specific amount of time. Not all providers are over 45 w/ "baby fat"  as some profiles indicate.

To blatantly post such a judgmental statement in an effort to kiss up to clients who want a provider who charges less or has lower expectations of herself is short sighted and narrow minded.

It takes all types to make this world go around and posting something negative about a fellow provider just demonstrates lack of respect and thought in my book.  

And in reply to Elizabeths statement about what type of lifestyle a woman can have by making under $500 a day-  that is just absurd. If a provider grosses less than $500 a day and still markets herself and pays for all of her maintenance on both herself and her web presence, she will not be living such a grand life once her overhead is paid. To suggest otherwise is not sensible. Just an example of how shocking this business could be to those who only look at it without taking into account everything:

A typical month of expenses for a provider:
Website- $100
Advertising- $500
Makeup- $300
Clothes- $1200
Incall maintenance- $1800 (*rent or mortgage/insurance/supplies/maintaining freshness*)- this is in an average community, not a larger City
Personal transportation- $900 w/maintenance and insurance
Utilities at incall- $180 water/gas/electric/cable/phone
Air fare- $600 this is a monthly average after considering the entire year
Personal insurance- $350
Food and food & beverage for entertaining- $800
Investment- 10% of income

This quick look is already $7400 for the month. If you consider a provider works 5 days a week and Elizabeth has posted that $500 a day is acceptable then you are left with $2,597 to cover your taxes, any vacations, family gifts and related expenses of entertainment and education.  -I think I've shown that $500 a day on a 5 day work week, while looking like a cool $10 grand is actually just a gross income that overhead expenses need to be taken from. A little thought would have shown an educated reader that $500 a day for an established provider is not adequate to indicate a "platinum pussy" syndrome. More like an: I work for myself attitude.


If anyone hasn't taken the time to break down all of the expenses an independent has then let them go on believing that grossing $500 a day will keep them in a life of luxury- I'd hate to be the one to burst their bubble!  

I was surprised to see you encouraging such provider bashing by another woman in the business-  regards ~Tori

#1- This isn't South America and we aren't a poverty stricken Nation

While many who know your history know you are quick to brag about your exploitation of young women in third world countries who are uneducated, poverty stricken and turn to prostitution as a means to survive..... you are posting on a board that caters to Providers and the men who support them.

Anyone with common sense knows that any underdeveloped South American country has women who can easily afford to charge their clients less than American women who are living in a metropolitan city and paying their own expenses. To even compare the "Suggested gift donation"  of a young woman who is uneducated in a South American city to the prevailing rate of a provider in a metropolitan city in America is ridiculous.  

If you want to pay for a warm hole on a foreign young woman who is uneducated and lives in a poverty stricken area then don't compare it to the women who are listed on this board- you are only insulting the women who market themselves here and making yourself look like a jerk of a guy who brags about exploiting poverty and youth.

It has long been established that most providers aren't selling a warm hole. Too bad you haven't grasp that concept yet.   regards ~Tori

BTW- TER VIP membership is only $20 a month- didn't you calculate that into your "business expenses" ???

I guess if you aren't making at least $5 hundred a day that is another one of those "luxuries" that you were talking about.

Until you know another ladies situation why would you make such nasty comments about her views on how much someone in the business should make-

In this business I'd caution a provider not to be so judgemental, sometimes the severity of judgemental statements that you make about another is the same measure people will use to comment about you. Being so judgemental in this business isn't wise!!!

-- Modified on 3/26/2008 3:00:30 PM

And- you hide behind an alias..... wow am I shocked you are advocating women in the business making less than $500 a day.

To be clear for those slow on the up take- when a provider grosses $500 a day there is usually a percentage that is overhead. As with any business it takes capital to keep the business running.

Just because a provider has $500 cash in her hand after an appointment (*or in some cases 5 appointments*) doesn't mean that is her profit. The provider will now have to reinvest a percentage of that into herself and her business. Not to recognize that is just stupidity.

You can find those NON high maintenance type women anywhere, why would you be supporting a site that caters to escorts? Believe it or not some women will spend time with you for the price of a drink(*under $10*) so why bother even hobbying if you aren't seeking what providers are selling? -pure stupidity-

What are you doing tomorrow? Sitting in front of the Porsche dealer in your Ford screaming at the people who are shopping tehir lot?... just wondering what other intelligent behaviors you practice. If you are too cheap to pay a ladies asking fee then go somewhere else. If you don't like high maintenance women then go somewhere else- but stop making yourself and the site look cheep and petty.

Tori I love your passion. "That red hair is no lie"! ...to borrow a line from one of my favorite movies.

People love Drama -
Cracks me up

~I'm planning a quick trip back to the states and decided to check into the boards for a minute- gheez, what's with all the hating!!!!  

I guess I'm showing my age because I can remember when providers used to actually stick together and help each other *LOL* (-I'm so thrilled to be out of the business and not dealing with the negativity!!)

Chek my blog on my site for the dates and cities I'm planningto visit (*sorry it's not Chicago, other demands call me elsewhere*) But, our paths will cross again one day. Take care stay safe & well.... luv ~Tori

-Having your name on the front page of the General discussion board than the drama- LMAO !!!

I guess I picked a good time to "check back in"  *LOL* kisses ~Tori