It's infuriating to hear what SWs like yourself have had to endure, stalker wise, threat wise, violence wise, on all too many occasions, etc. I am sorry you had to go through that. I cant imagine how scary that must have been.
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I think it's a good thing that women here mention those things on occasion, if they feel comfortable doing so. It's important for men not in the know to hear about them. Maybe then they will be more apt to understand why certain providers screen the way they do or conduct themselves the way they do.
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Thanks for sharing EC, and again, sorry that you, and all the other amazing providers out there, have to put up with this psychotic shit! You all deserve SO much better. 
....anyone ever do this? A provider, maybe a lonely divorcee who just wants some dick but doesn't want to date, or some professional lady that wants some extra cash on the side to pay off the house, or a full-blown professional SWer?
Is it any different than an apartment? I would imagine extra care is needed with volume. I would also imagine that if it is an area with lots of families and busy bodies someone will notice all the men that come in and out 123 Maple Drive even if it is a few times a month....
i would never entertain out of my private home because all my neighbors have ring cams. our neighborhood is no crime & a tight knit community. someone is going question for sure. People talk.
I personally would not invite anyone to my house because it's bad energy. I have children that are my primary concern. Bad juju. To each their own. Dayuse, Hotels by day, resortpass has day use of hotel rooms for $100-$200.
After moving to AZ I saw on the news an older lady who was arrested for using her home for prostitution. the neighbors did not like the traffic coming to her home. Everyone now has cameras it's undeniable. You're under surveillance in any neighborhood. Do you.
It's a hard no for me.
low IQ operation
stupid careless actions
Good points on both. Way, way, way back in the day I had an incall apartment in Denver a few miles from where I lived with my mine. No way would I have entertained in our home, and I never drove straight home after a date either (the stalker I ended up with was tenacious enough to wait a few hours for me to leave once, followed me to 2 stores and then home, where he'd do his scary shit for the next 9mo). But there were no cameras to worry about in the early aughts. I think a single, low volume non-parent could easily live and work out of a suburban apartment or home... except for those pesky cameras nowadays. Neighbors gossiping is one thing, but people being filmed from multiple angles (and now with Big Brother's Eye-Cloud spy shit) is definitely different.😵💫
It's infuriating to hear what SWs like yourself have had to endure, stalker wise, threat wise, violence wise, on all too many occasions, etc. I am sorry you had to go through that. I cant imagine how scary that must have been.
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I think it's a good thing that women here mention those things on occasion, if they feel comfortable doing so. It's important for men not in the know to hear about them. Maybe then they will be more apt to understand why certain providers screen the way they do or conduct themselves the way they do.
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Thanks for sharing EC, and again, sorry that you, and all the other amazing providers out there, have to put up with this psychotic shit! You all deserve SO much better.
Thank you for that, Robert, it's very kind of you to bring this topic up and to say what you have.🙏🏼
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Fortunately, the damage he did was to my vehicle (keyed a different panel or slashed a tire each month) and apartment (poured motor oil over the entry door of my third floor unit, at 10pm with my child asleep, and lit it on fire... all while I was on the phone with 911 for about 10min as I first watched him try to pick my deadbolt and failing that, decided to burn the place down. Fire dept showed up within 3min and cops didn't show up for another 2hrs). Well, there's also the psychological damage of having notes left on my windshield while I was inside paying for gas that described what my kid wore to school that day and saying how sweet my voice would sound screaming his name searching for him, or left while I was in the grocery store about how much prettier my face would be with my smile widened from ear to ear and eyelids removed to better show the pretty blue. Yeah, that wasn't so cool.
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It is a sad fact that 6 women are murdered Every Single Day in the US by men, and 85% of the murderers are known by the women (vs strangers) with 60% being their intimate partners. Over 1 million women are stalked every year, about 70% by intimate partners whereas about 371k men are stalked, primarily by acquaintances or strangers. And of the all the perpetrators, 87% are male. (Statistics will vary depending on reporting agency but they're all roughly in line... and numbers are up 27% from 2013)
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Simply going on a coffee date increases a woman's chance of stalking, violence or death and dating a man massively increases it. So alluding to a different thread, women "pay" a fuckton (of risk) to go on a date. Men think in terms of cash outlay (not considering the money it takes for the lady's wardrobe and beautification being *exponentially* greater than a man's, or the fact that it takes him 15min to get ready for a date and it takes us 2hrs) and women think in terms of danger and death. (We're off topic already so why not detour a smidge more🤪)
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SWers have a 60-100x GREATER likelihood of violence than non-SWers. 90% of SWers have reported stalking or sexual violence. 54% of murdered SWers are perpetrated by clients. And somewhat counter intuitively, 60% of murders are of "indoor"/escort SWers vs 40% being of "outdoor"/street walking ladies.
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These convos typically devolve into narcissists, pedantic contrarians and MRAs minimizing, victim blaming or throwing whatboutisms left and right, which is a sad statement on them and their misdirected, but valid, anger so they're tough to have. Thanks for bringing it up.
Sorry you had to be attacked by such a sick-o. I hope they caught him. Sadly, this business attracts more than its share of sociopaths. I've become aware of a few of them but never anyone as toxic as this sick fuck.
The cops knew exactly who he was and refused to do anything.
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He was the top guy, a 25-30yr veteran, in his department in a county gov't. Kind of like a Mayor or Sheriff, but not those departments. He had tons of connections with all the other top people in his county, as well as mine and others, and tons of lackeys eager to curry favor by providing alibis. Not to mention being a good Christian family man, married with 4 kids🙄
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I had pics of him/his truck following me and of him tampering with my unit's phone lines - he opened the service box thing, plugged into my landline, called his cell repeatedly and then reported ME for harassment. (I had to have a phone line to have internet service but didn't even have a phone plugged into the wall in my apt, I used my cell exclusively). After that, the cops ignored me every time I received a threatening note, damage to my car or whatever. That's why they didn't GAF when he tried to burn me in my apartment.
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And because of who he was, the cops said that unless I had him ON CAMERA physically assaulting me (cuz me saying it happened/was him wouldn't be enough), there was nothing they would do. One of the "good cops" actually took me aside, confiding that every complaint I made ended up making ME look like the crazy one, so I'd be better off to just disappear, stay silent, go away and not 'make a target out of myself'. How sweet of him.
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And some people wonder why others support defunding (which, let's be real, is not DEFUNDING but PROPERLY REDUCED FUNDING while funding services that actually help people), say ACAB or why women don't report things....
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Whew. I'm glad AF I don't live up there any more. The 'safety from stalking' thing is a big part of why I don't mind being face-out now.
I cant even imagine what that must have been like! You are an extraordinarily brave and resilient woman! Thank you so much for giving more detail about your horror. As I mentioned before, I genuinely believe it is important for some men to hear personal stories like yours, because they provide essential context that is so often missing.
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By speaking about your lived experiences, you put a human face on a lifestyle that is often only thought of by some as endless piles of cash, drinking the finest Champagne, staying in glamorous hotels and dining in upscale restaurants. The painful and frightening experiences you endured, and that many others have endured like you, challenge that often times illusion.
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Good luck to you moving forward and keep fighting the good fight EC!
More than a few would have the client just drive into the garage and then they'd shut the garage door once the client pulls in. And yes, for blatantly obvious reasons it is quite different than an apartment for a plethora of reasons. Stuff like this keep you awake at night?
I met a lady in Florida whose MO was to meet in a nearby strip mall parking lot. I got into her car with dark tinits and she drove to her private home and into the garage. That avoided neighbors seeing strange cars coming and going. After the appointment she drove me back to my car.
Assuming it's not against some HOA/lease contract, anyway. My folks ran an Amway thing out of their garage in an upscale development cul-de-sac for years - you want to talk about daily individual and group traffic, parking congestion and nosey, uppity neighbors?🤪 There's any number of creative ways to justify traffic to a home... one of which is just that she's horny! No law against that. If she's face-in, does intelligent screening, uses a burner/unpublished number and has a stack of boxes she can slap together or some manilla envelopes/files/binders to send the dudes out the door with... the issue is...?
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Ok, that may be oversimplifying it a little but seriously... Don't answer the door in lingerie. Make friends with the neighbors. Host girl's nights occasionally. Have a reasonable home biz cover story. Follow HOA/lease rules. Bake cookies for the block party and give good Halloween treats. Unless there's an actual parking meter and turnstile on her doorstep, you're overthinking this😇
good point
nobody would bat an eye if a single dude was a playboy and was bedding women he picked up at bars or clubs and had several visitors a few times a week
but if a single woman is entertaining men refulalry, it becomes a federal case (literally in some cases)
Yes, misogyny rears it's ugly, double standard'd, hypocritical head regarding the differences between how men and women enjoying their sexual autonomy are viewed (and vilified).
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And also, I'll mostly retract my blasé position on suburban entertaining because as Queen Bia pointed out, those damn cameras are everywhere now and if they aren't already spying/reporting on us (like our phones aren't listening to us🙄), they soon will be. I've been away from US daily life long enough now to not have that kind of thing mentally register... but once mentioned... yeah, that def changes my tune.😬
I am genuinely curious if there has ever been an instance where a guy like Charlie Harper from Two and a Half Men with an active sex life has been kicked out of his building for bringing in a large amount of women on a regular basis....there was at least one instance on here from an old thread where female providers were kicked out by their landlords because some karen ratted them out...
for all the landlord knows, she is entertaining friends that all happen to be men the same as the man entertaining friends that happen to be all women.....having friends over is not illegal
i'm told that women are naturally jealous of any other attractive female in the vicinity of their man so would likely snitch if there was even the slightest suspicion that the cutie in 6C is a SWer, whereas a man, even a married or partnered one, will be "my man!" when he sees the dude down the hall bringing home his fourth hottie that week!
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P4p occurs in the suburbs and it happens in apartments there as well. lol. Personally, I don't prefer to meet a girl in her private residence, if that is what you are getting at, unless I know her and her situation/surroundings VERY VERY well.
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I do see women outside the city, but they are almost always in mid to upper tier hotels.
There are a large number of providers that work out of a private residence here in NYC. I prefer it, so long as they don’t have any roommates or anyone else living with them. I think it is safer. There isn’t going to be any hotel staff or guests to worry about. You’re probably not going to run into anyone you might know. Also, they usually have a room set up specifically for their job, which helps with the ambiance and atmosphere. I only get nervous if there is a doorman, but usually the providers usually tip them well enough to look the other way. I’d be curious to hear what your hangups are about seeing someone in their private residence.
if that is directed at me, then i agree, i prefer private flats and apartments…
in the op, i was referring to houses in the suburbs where zealous neighbors particulalry if she is having traffic
In your response, you mention several of them. Working out of her residence leads to too many things out of my control or possible knowledge. Does she have roommates? Kids? A SO? All things I wouldn't know on a first meeting, certainly, and possibly never. Any of those could pop in unexpectedly to the girl then that could potentially create massive issues/problems for me.
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As the OP states, the risk of nosey neighbors increases. If they see all different men going to her place at all hours of the day/night, does that increase risk? I would think so.
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Many women who work out of their home have pets and I have allergies. They may or may not tell me about those when I contact them.
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I just feel so much more comfortable going to a hotel. I don't have any worries at all about someone I know seeing me there as my situation may be different than yours. I am not saying "never", bc I have seen providers in their residence, but those are few and far between as those women I know, trust and have history with for me to better gauge the risk level.
and I didn't think anything of it.
One gal met me at a nearby outdoor mall, then I rode with her to her house so the neighbors wouldn't see a strange car in her driveway.
Another gal's response to the problem was to open her garage door as she saw me coming, then have me park in her garage.
Most however were fine with me parking in their driveway, and the neighbors can go pound sand.
I often have gals come to my house in the burbs and they park openly in my driveway. Only one was a little concerned so she parked her car in a way that it couldn't be seen from the street.
and I didn't think anything of it.
One gal met me at a nearby outdoor mall, then I rode with her to her house so the neighbors wouldn't see a strange car in her driveway.
Alternatively, she parks down the street and walks to my back gate.
I've had a few incalls at SFRs and didn't think anything of it. I park where I can see down the street and wait if there's anyone obviously paying attention to me.
They are all houses and apartments in the suburbs. Someone is noticing the volume.
Feel that is true but many of those are the Asian apartments or agency apartments with multiples providers that are creating an abundance of traffic.
Feel the apartment in a large complex with a quality reasonably low volume provider always left me feeling safer then walking through a hotel lobby.
high volume? was the building owned by an agency and full of SWers?
that draws a ton of law enforcement attention
a low volume gal in a single family dwelling is allowed to have visitors…2-3 clients a week after dark will not draw attention if she is discrete.
I agree with both of you that volume increases risk. But, if I'm visiting a provider I can only guess her volume. Obviously higher cost usually means lower volume. But it's a risk I would be careful about since arrests keep getting made.
I'm kind of obsessed with this subject lol
I do google searches on "prostitution stings" and "prostitutions arrests" regularly and they almost always involve massage parlors and motel stings, almost always high volume...they love bragging about it to the media because they can throw the word "trafficking" in the article and look like heroes!
I suppose some Becky from the Burbs could might have a revolving door with guys who have no common sense and park all over the place, show up with flowers and candy, and basically wearing a sign screaming "i'm paying for pussy" might piss off some locals but what real recourse do they have? It's a public street. Plus, she likes to entertain on a regular basis and if all her guests happen to be men, who cares?
Nobody can prove anything else is happening.
I've seen someone several times in a private residence. The arrival process is always exactly choreographed, never knowing the address (at least the first visit) and each visit being guided for the last 10 minutes by phone to the location, presumable to eliminate anyone taking any wrong turns which may draw unwanted attention. Nothing was listed in writing/texts about the location. It is very safe, as far as it can be, and very discrete, which I'm sure is part of her planning. I appreciate her attention detail of the process and felt comfortable.
After lurking and reading these forums, with post exactly like this, I've decided to not keep seeing her, or, at least not as often. There are other people to contact in my area, so I'm going to widen the net, so to speak.
I have done several of these type meets over the years. Apartments are not really an issue for upper scale providers and almost the same for those in houses in a subdivision. Shit hits the fan for some mid to lower rated providers. Higher volume and personality conflicts can cause problems. I used to see a great provider very close to my home , it was great until I met her neighbor on the steps one day. She knew exactly what was going on I could see it in her eyes. I never returned after that, to much risk of being on a ring camera or other problems
I hobbied in a large midwestern city for nearly two decades. I would have to say at least half of my encounters were in the burbs. Yep, pull up in the driveway or park down the street. Go in and have a diet coke in the kitchen, or a beer in the living room, then head downstairs or upstairs or to the back.
Many times in an apartment complex. It was never really a big deal as far as I could tell.
I love helping gals pay off their homes. I visit many in homes in the suburbs or in their town homes they own. These are my favorite providers to support regularly. They usually have their shit together.
I always carry a folio when entering a hotel or a private home. You’re there on business 🙂
Already do it. I got this great idea from another poster on here, though he suggested I wear a tool belt to look like maintenance which I was not sure was just trolling or he was being serious. In a suburban setting, that can work. I can carry a toolbox and look like a handyman. lol
I carry a notebook in hand and have a minisuitcase with me that I hold an old laptop in that I don't care gets lost of stolen.....
I'm there to help her manager her finances. 
You just have to be as discreet as you reasonably can.
My go-to massage providers relocated to a ranch house in a suburban neighborhood. They're already getting complaints from neighbors about "visitors" parking in front of their homes. However, the reason they relocated was because they saw that the amount of traffic to the townhouse they were using was drawing unwanted attention. And we've recently discussed on another thread the risks of hotels--elevators that require keycards, nosy staff, etc.
I personally prefer the anonymity of large apartment buildings. Once you enter the building, no one knows where you're going, other tenants and delivery persons are coming and going so you're just one of the crowd, and your moment of maximum exposure is the (hopefully) 30 seconds between the time you knock on her door and the time she opens it.
I’ve told this story before, but not in this context. I was in Seattle for a conference. This was about 15 years ago. Before I discovered TER. I found this hot escort on Eros. Back then, I knew to do my own homework. I searched the web far and wide. I won’t go into all the details, but I found enough to know she was legit.
I contacted her to book an hour. She called and we chatted a little bit. She convinced me to book 90 minutes. Closer to the date, she called and asked if I would be willing to Uber to her place instead of she coming to my hotel, and we can make a full date night out of it, no extra charge. No hesitation, I said yes.
So, I took an Uber to her house in a Suburban town in Seattle. She was a little older than her pics, but still very hot. It was both a fun and crazy night. We even had a couple verbal spats at her house like a couple. That was weird and not expected, nor what I wanted. But penis brain endured it. The sex was pretty fantastic. It was like 4 or 5 in the morning when I left.
I later learned I was not the first or last she did this with. Apparently, she has plenty of money and doesn’t need it much. Long story there. But she escorted a lot when she was young and these days (and those days about 15 years ago) she uses escorting as a social outlet.