A high rated provider has blocked me because I won't provide my real name and phone number. I have early alzheimers setting in but I think that kind of defeats the the whole fucking point of of this site. What percentage of ladies want that info when you are already whiteliststed?
This is my second or third angry devil emoticon (among a sea of them here apparently) in my 1400+ or so posts, so it means something to me.
But I'm more concerned than angry, as I consider this one of the most important business related GD posts since the one month that I bothered to start posting like crazy on TER, despite being on it for 13-14 years.
Also, EstellaAyrs, this is not a reply to you but strategic placement of my post, so that it doesn't get lost in the flaming below.
There are two issues here:
1. TER/whitelisting
2. reviewer's real name and phone number for screening
Sorry for the length and I warn you that I'll talk within the framework of the bell curve that some idiot (tw*ster? or twisted?) brought up last night because it encompasses the 75%-95% world that most of us live in. Then, there are the 5% tails at both ends that the OP and BSC people live in. First, let's try to remember that you're screening to protect yourself against the 5% of people who might threaten to do you harm, and in turn, we're concerned about the 5% of BSC providers who will blow up our civvie lives. In addition, let's also try, hard as it may, to see the other person's side. So, this is a mediation of sorts.
1. Topic # TER/whitelisting
This is the BSC OP part because he just automatically put you ladies in the right by suggesting that whitelisting was the end all-be all. (also, to get it out of the way, he may have Alzheimer's or mild- mod r'tardation)
There's no question that TER is NOT for screening safety per se.
Cos got it partly right that TER was made to help mongers find out who's a rip off and who's a gem. Whether she knew it or not, Cos is negatively biasing the discussion by mentioning the TER founder in this context because he is the epitome of NON-safety for providers and mongers. (Among other things, he was jailed for threatening and then trying to hire a hitman to kill a monger, and on the other side, he was known for using TER to blackmail and curry sexual favors. The NYtimes can't all be wrong. lol)
I also detect a sour note when the Cos says that TER has become an erotic review database.
What's wrong with that? This is not compromising your safety and it's one of the ways that TER is more fun and user friendly for mongers than all of those other f-ckboards. "if you build it, they will come." lol, OT.
But as a mongerer of 14 years, I'll strongly say that whitelisting (and other things like the "top" lists, but that's OT) is a big Cleveland Steamer load of crap.
Despite its original intention, the main way it's used right now is to aid in the collusion by the certain "5%" mongers and providers to scam the "95%" of the rest of the system.
Practically, it's becoming useful only to highlight the red flags of old fugly farts with way too many double 10's and whitelists from the same group of old hags.
Even a subtle scam like when a guy who hasn't reviewed in 10 months or given a score above 8's before suddenly gives his first double 10 to a NY lady who is only a solid high 8's and thank you very much for my one and only whitelist. But I digress.
Ladies, what I'm reading here, is that our BSC OP has caused you to burn some bras in protest unnecessarily. However, TER is still very much a useful SUPPLEMENTAL screening tool.
If you do your research here quickly before you screen, as we should do our research before we pick,
you should streamline your screening efforts- of course time is of the essence too, I get that.
At the extreme, there is a big difference between the "25%" of mongers here for the large part who are responding to you. Decades of experience, so many reviews, message board opinions, PM discussions, M&G appearances, private anecdotes from references.
Our likenesses and personas are out there to grab in the internetosphere if you so choose.
You can't just dismiss that completely, as the ladies who replied first to the OP seem to do.
This should give you a 75% degree of assurance that we are for real, we are safe, and that we are reasonable gentlemen for the purposes of this business.
Again, i'm not arguing that it is screening per se. You don't have anything to tag us with yet. lol
But it is why you ladies send inbound requests for business to my PM box weekly.
2. Screening, which the OP does not have a clue about, is a must, no question.
Why in this modern age that p411 and datecheck have become our friends.
They're the happy medium to bridge the two extreme BSC ideals of perfect information on both sides.
Is it fair that you know nothing about us for your safety? Obviously not.
Is it fair that you know our names, our addresses, can run a background check for all our other info that gives you unnecessary power to influence over our lives and is possible blackmail? Obviously not either. We don't know you from a hole in the wall or an identity thief so why would I do so readily.
Just because we want to get in YOUR pants? Not I for one.
So yes, dumb-ss there is a problem with giving our full real name out.
P411/DC/etc, live references, and a hobbying email and phone are all you should need to screen us. Yes, really.
Again, everyone is free to do and screen however he/she likes.
I'm arguing the experienced 75% of the world has got the system down and trying to force us to fall into your 5%-25% world is going to lead us to automatically move on.
Now, there are exceptions for my part.
I have only given my driver's license information out once in my entire 14 years, but I would do it again if I feel I'm dealing with a decent "5%" kind of person who I feel would not abuse my information. That takes trust building and BCing the person's track record.
I am starting to feel that way toward a certain lady in this thread, so compromises can be made.
My name? not likely your business. My porn name? It's Johnny James. lol.
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That people like because it seems objective? You use it for your own gain! I know about the founder, but a good idea stands and I'll give him that.
They just don't really spend resources on vetting. I presume financially/legally/ or profitably, etc it doesn't make sense to do so. I don't think it turning into a database of erotic stories which can be truth or fake is necessarily a bad thing, I like erotic stories, but for people with 3/4's of a brain it's easy to manipulate it as you have stated.
It's like getting an ID, certain things are worth points to prove your identity. Some states accept your birth certificate, some don't, and some accept it partially as worth 1 point.
Spot on, double bull. Bring ADJ another one of what he's drinking and one for me too.
Dude, you can be more interesting than that.....occasionally. However, I did like your picture. Are you on the top or the bottom?
the point of this site is to know SHE is real by her reviews.
its not a verification site and your handle alone means nothing.
most of the women I know in his biz screen for your real name real info, as stated if you are unhappy with her expectations move on.
A spurious one.
Knowing you can fukk and not gyp us of that money is not the same as knowing you're not an identity thief or won't become BSC when your SO or pimp dealer won't sell you crack for trade.
It's a super easily debatable point.
That said, there's no doubt the OP's exact philosophy is a cum stain on the GD blogosphere.
its not a verification site and your handle alone means nothing.
most of the women I know in his biz screen for your real name real info, as stated if you are unhappy with her expectations move
A big difference between the two.TER is not P411 or Date-check which are screening sites.
Anyone can get on TER it is not like ter does any screening that is up to the providers.
I do not accept appt requests from guys who say they are whitelisted and just provide me a handle and that is it.Whitelist does not mean anything to me.
The only exception to a whitelist is if it is by a provider that I personally know and even then I still need contact info and name.
I have read and been told by gents myself that some providers have given them whitelists and they have never even seen the provider.After hearing this and reading it over the years a whitelist and handle is not sufficient for me.
If you are not comfortable with providing your real name and contact info to a provider and she will not bend on her requirements why make a post about it?
Move on to a lady who will take your ter handle and whitelist at face value
You can get all the provider's info (email, phone, site) and contact her for verification.
What really do you need or get from a reference?
Sincere, straight with the money, and safe. That's it.
Or do you just want to know what he does for a living? Is he rich? Nice car? Nice house? Good in bed? A "sweetheart?"
This is a frank thread dealing with an important aspect of mutual safety.
So, frankly, why does anyone want more data on a guy then they need, and if they need more info, why do they need it?
Your right I can look at the reviews here and get the providers info to contact her for the reference.
But,what do I say to the reference provider joeblow on ter is using you as a reference?
Yeah...I am sure that will go over well with a reference request.
I don't care if a gent is rich drives a maserati lives in the mansion on the hill I just want to make sure he is not a dangerous person.
There are dangerous guys here with a ter handle that is why I said handle and whitelist means nothing when I have no clue who I am meeting.
Gents and providers do what is comfortable for them.
It might not be the name he was christened with, it might be his street name, nickname, short form, whatever, but surely that's the same name the reference has on file. So he calls up and says, "Hi, my name is Sparky and my TER handle is royaljerkandfattoboot," and tells you he's white listed. You call up and say, "Sparky called and provided the names of the providers on his white list. Is this moron for real?" And she'll say, "Oh... Sparky! Yeah he's a sweetheart! Bought me a Buick!" What else do you need to know?
I barely look at them. If something's is sketchy I will resort to taking a stool sample before I allow them to enter the GFE spa.if the poop floats they can come in.
I find things go a lot better if you just carry a huge knife and keep your fingers crossed
the funny thing is
if somebody wants to wait outside your front door with a pillowcase to throw over your head and some rope and a gun.
it's going to happen regardless of if a booking appointments or get screened there are nuts everywhere.
plenty of innocent people get abducted hacked up and mutilated everyday and they're not even escorting it just happens when they walk outside their door
I haven't been using my reservation forms personally lately but I've been having all great appointments and mostly outcalls to super super high and hotels so I can't really be too concerned about stuff like that
I actually tried to screen last month and nobody even made the cut I ended up not even getting any appointments because I was being such a bug.
I can tell a lot about how I feel about a person by hearing the sound of your voice on the phone.
but the whitelisting saying the only thing about that is is that some guy could say that he's a certain alias.
like say I go to contact one of the women that you reviewed and I say hey do you know this guy and his alias name sympathy for the devil he reviewed you he wants to see me.
I think a lot of the times the ladies are going to know who you are by the name of your alias or at least that's what I have found when I was actually trying to go through all that long annoying process of messaging all these different people just to get a goddamn appointment.
I only started screaming about a year ago and it is the most annoying process in the world.
I always use to just post the ad and have the people in.
now I feel like I am asking for everything but a DNA sample from these poor people.
I have had guys come to see me that use a fake real in first last name
I didn't know he was doing us but I found it out when I was in his car and he has a car that actually like talks to him and it used his name.
it had some kind of a machine voice that was like hey so in so start car or something to that effect
anyways I found out what is real name was by accident because we were hanging out and I hurt over her t***
but the fact that he had the fake name was helpful
because that way I could go and ask these two separate providers hey do you know so and so
speaking of safety I watched this show something about the museum
and they were talking about The Legend of Jack the Ripper
when they found the victim she had her stomach cut open and all her organs removed
she was a well-known prostitute in New York at the time I forget what her name was
the story is actually interesting they found her body and they know it was somebody that has to know professional surgery that had done it
by the way they had cut her open it was only a surgeon could have done a killing like that
they finally put a man in jail for the crime after finding some of her blood from the crime scene on the doorknob to his rum at the same hotel.
this man serves 6 years in prison
he was then released when they realized they had messed some things up and falsely accused him
they then discovered a second victim killed almost the same way I believe the second victim was found in England
my other favorite show I like to watch to get myself good in paranoid about doing a play with a new client,
if you watch the Investigation Discovery Channel you'll probably never see a new client ever again SCREENED
Or not.
then there's a show called happily married never after.
then there's some good shows on the Oprah channel like the one that's called snapped.
a lot of the really violent violent malicious crimes are crimes of passion and done by people you know not strangers.
but people get stabbed 50 or more someone times everyday all over the world for all different things and a lot of them innocent.
I have a reservation form but I only use it when somebody sketches me out or seems like they're up to no good.
my way of screening before when I had my other beach house was to meet the people up the street I would take a look at them and see how I felt about them and decide whether I wanted them back at the house or not!
unfortunately the risk was and always will be part of the fun for m
I find things go a lot better if you just carry a huge knife and keep your fingers crossed
the funny thing is
if somebody wants to wait outside your front door with a pillowcase to throw over your head and some rope and a gun.
it's going to happen regardless of if a booking appointments or get screened there are nuts everywhere.
plenty of innocent people get abducted hacked up and mutilated everyday and they're not even escorting it just happens when they walk outside their door
I haven't been using my reservation forms personally lately but I've been having all great appointments and mostly outcalls to super super high and hotels so I can't really be too concerned about stuff like that
I actually tried to screen last month and nobody even made the cut I ended up not even getting any appointments because I was being such a bug.
I can tell a lot about how I feel about a person by hearing the sound of your voice on the phone.
but the whitelisting saying the only thing about that is is that some guy could say that he's a certain alias.
like say I go to contact one of the women that you reviewed and I say hey do you know this guy and his alias name sympathy for the devil he reviewed you he wants to see me.
I think a lot of the times the ladies are going to know who you are by the name of your alias or at least that's what I have found when I was actually trying to go through all that long annoying process of messaging all these different people just to get a goddamn appointment.
I only started screaming about a year ago and it is the most annoying process in the world.
I always use to just post the ad and have the people in.
now I feel like I am asking for everything but a DNA sample from these poor people.
I have had guys come to see me that use a fake real in first last name
I didn't know he was doing us but I found it out when I was in his car and he has a car that actually like talks to him and it used his name.
it had some kind of a machine voice that was like hey so in so start car or something to that effect
anyways I found out what is real name was by accident because we were hanging out and I hurt over her t***
but the fact that he had the fake name was helpful
because that way I could go and ask these two separate providers hey do you know so and so
speaking of safety I watched this show something about the museum
and they were talking about The Legend of Jack the Ripper
when they found the victim she had her stomach cut open and all her organs removed
she was a well-known prostitute in New York at the time I forget what her name was
the story is actually interesting they found her body and they know it was somebody that has to know professional surgery that had done it
by the way they had cut her open it was only a surgeon could have done a killing like that
they finally put a man in jail for the crime after finding some of her blood from the crime scene on the doorknob to his rum at the same hotel.
this man serves 6 years in prison
he was then released when they realized they had messed some things up and falsely accused him
they then discovered a second victim killed almost the same way I believe the second victim was found in England
my other favorite show I like to watch to get myself good in paranoid about doing a play with a new client,
if you watch the Investigation Discovery Channel you'll probably never see a new client ever again SCREENED
Or not.
then there's a show called happily married never after.
then there's some good shows on the Oprah channel like the one that's called snapped.
a lot of the really violent violent malicious crimes are crimes of passion and done by people you know not strangers.
but people get stabbed 50 or more someone times everyday all over the world for all different things and a lot of them innocent.
I have a reservation form but I only use it when somebody sketches me out or seems like they're up to no good.
my way of screening before when I had my other beach house was to meet the people up the street I would take a look at them and see how I felt about them and decide whether I wanted them back at the house or not!
unfortunately the risk was and always will be part of the fun for me
Honey Angel is anything but well thought out reasonable.
Seeing ppl based on the fact that their shit floats? you call that reasonable. ALL shit floats.
Theres no reason to that post there usually isn't. Agreeing with her and claiming her reasonability only makes you look like an idiot.
I find things go a lot better if you just carry a huge knife and keep your fingers crossed
the funny thing is
if somebody wants to wait outside your front door with a pillowcase to throw over your head and some rope and a gun.
it's going to happen regardless of if a booking appointments or get screened there are nuts everywhere.
plenty of innocent people get abducted hacked up and mutilated everyday and they're not even escorting it just happens when they walk outside their door
I haven't been using my reservation forms personally lately but I've been having all great appointments and mostly outcalls to super super high and hotels so I can't really be too concerned about stuff like that
I actually tried to screen last month and nobody even made the cut I ended up not even getting any appointments because I was being such a bug.
I can tell a lot about how I feel about a person by hearing the sound of your voice on the phone.
but the whitelisting saying the only thing about that is is that some guy could say that he's a certain alias.
like say I go to contact one of the women that you reviewed and I say hey do you know this guy and his alias name sympathy for the devil he reviewed you he wants to see me.
I think a lot of the times the ladies are going to know who you are by the name of your alias or at least that's what I have found when I was actually trying to go through all that long annoying process of messaging all these different people just to get a goddamn appointment.
I only started screaming about a year ago and it is the most annoying process in the world.
I always use to just post the ad and have the people in.
now I feel like I am asking for everything but a DNA sample from these poor people.
I have had guys come to see me that use a fake real in first last name
I didn't know he was doing us but I found it out when I was in his car and he has a car that actually like talks to him and it used his name.
it had some kind of a machine voice that was like hey so in so start car or something to that effect
anyways I found out what is real name was by accident because we were hanging out and I hurt over her t***
but the fact that he had the fake name was helpful
because that way I could go and ask these two separate providers hey do you know so and so
speaking of safety I watched this show something about the museum
and they were talking about The Legend of Jack the Ripper
when they found the victim she had her stomach cut open and all her organs removed
she was a well-known prostitute in New York at the time I forget what her name was
the story is actually interesting they found her body and they know it was somebody that has to know professional surgery that had done it
by the way they had cut her open it was only a surgeon could have done a killing like that
they finally put a man in jail for the crime after finding some of her blood from the crime scene on the doorknob to his rum at the same hotel.
this man serves 6 years in prison
he was then released when they realized they had messed some things up and falsely accused him
they then discovered a second victim killed almost the same way I believe the second victim was found in England
my other favorite show I like to watch to get myself good in paranoid about doing a play with a new client,
if you watch the Investigation Discovery Channel you'll probably never see a new client ever again SCREENED
Or not.
then there's a show called happily married never after.
then there's some good shows on the Oprah channel like the one that's called snapped.
a lot of the really violent violent malicious crimes are crimes of passion and done by people you know not strangers.
but people get stabbed 50 or more someone times everyday all over the world for all different things and a lot of them innocent.
I have a reservation form but I only use it when somebody sketches me out or seems like they're up to no good.
my way of screening before when I had my other beach house was to meet the people up the street I would take a look at them and see how I felt about them and decide whether I wanted them back at the house or not!
unfortunately the risk was and always will be part of the fun for me
Tidwell's Coke,
PCP or
LSD
That you were on while reading that post?
PCP or
LSD
That you were on while reading that post?
with out putting your misinformational post down.
Angel if you don't know how to screen, maybe hire a screener, we've been over this with you before.
you have a flaky way about you and I think ppl know when push comes to shove your values about your safety can be shoved aside so NO they don't want to be screened they know they don't have to be.
You may take the view that screening is for the birds if its meant to be it will be.
that's not always true.
If someone hell bent on hurting you knows you know who they are and someone else , like your screener knows who they are where they work and all the crazies will seek out someone who is not going to screen them. So will the police.
If Jalissa Brisman had screened her clients on April 14th 2009 at the marriot in Boston Phillip Markoff the craigslist killer would have moved on to someone else. She became a victim by her own neglect for her safety. Even if she had screened him and he still killed her there would have been his info somewhere. Its a security blanket and one in my eyes well taken.
do what you want but if the shit hits the fan you have no one to blame but yourself.
And there are plenty of great clients in the Boston area willing to be screened in the 8yrs I have been in this business I have no trouble screening my clients. The ones who refuse move on.
I find things go a lot better if you just carry a huge knife and keep your fingers crossed
the funny thing is
if somebody wants to wait outside your front door with a pillowcase to throw over your head and some rope and a gun.
it's going to happen regardless of if a booking appointments or get screened there are nuts everywhere.
plenty of innocent people get abducted hacked up and mutilated everyday and they're not even escorting it just happens when they walk outside their door
I haven't been using my reservation forms personally lately but I've been having all great appointments and mostly outcalls to super super high and hotels so I can't really be too concerned about stuff like that
I actually tried to screen last month and nobody even made the cut I ended up not even getting any appointments because I was being such a bug.
I can tell a lot about how I feel about a person by hearing the sound of your voice on the phone.
but the whitelisting saying the only thing about that is is that some guy could say that he's a certain alias.
like say I go to contact one of the women that you reviewed and I say hey do you know this guy and his alias name sympathy for the devil he reviewed you he wants to see me.
I think a lot of the times the ladies are going to know who you are by the name of your alias or at least that's what I have found when I was actually trying to go through all that long annoying process of messaging all these different people just to get a goddamn appointment.
I only started screaming about a year ago and it is the most annoying process in the world.
I always use to just post the ad and have the people in.
now I feel like I am asking for everything but a DNA sample from these poor people.
I have had guys come to see me that use a fake real in first last name
I didn't know he was doing us but I found it out when I was in his car and he has a car that actually like talks to him and it used his name.
it had some kind of a machine voice that was like hey so in so start car or something to that effect
anyways I found out what is real name was by accident because we were hanging out and I hurt over her t***
but the fact that he had the fake name was helpful
because that way I could go and ask these two separate providers hey do you know so and so
speaking of safety I watched this show something about the museum
and they were talking about The Legend of Jack the Ripper
when they found the victim she had her stomach cut open and all her organs removed
she was a well-known prostitute in New York at the time I forget what her name was
the story is actually interesting they found her body and they know it was somebody that has to know professional surgery that had done it
by the way they had cut her open it was only a surgeon could have done a killing like that
they finally put a man in jail for the crime after finding some of her blood from the crime scene on the doorknob to his rum at the same hotel.
this man serves 6 years in prison
he was then released when they realized they had messed some things up and falsely accused him
they then discovered a second victim killed almost the same way I believe the second victim was found in England
my other favorite show I like to watch to get myself good in paranoid about doing a play with a new client,
if you watch the Investigation Discovery Channel you'll probably never see a new client ever again SCREENED
Or not.
then there's a show called happily married never after.
then there's some good shows on the Oprah channel like the one that's called snapped.
a lot of the really violent violent malicious crimes are crimes of passion and done by people you know not strangers.
but people get stabbed 50 or more someone times everyday all over the world for all different things and a lot of them innocent.
I have a reservation form but I only use it when somebody sketches me out or seems like they're up to no good.
my way of screening before when I had my other beach house was to meet the people up the street I would take a look at them and see how I felt about them and decide whether I wanted them back at the house or not!
unfortunately the risk was and always will be part of the fun for me
And biasing strolls down memory lane with serial killers....
The real argument is about whether you need the real name information.
Not whether one needs screening, which is the easily proven but irrelevant point.
Who says what x provider needs? I did not require personal info for fear that you might be a cop or a nut job.. that's one click away from being revealed. I required real info. to make sure you were not one of my brother's or father's friends, a coworker, my boss, or former professor. I can see your point about the lack of logic behind some responses, so we are in agreement there. If you check ID to make sure a guy is legit after he opens that door, you're fked either way. I have given my info. to a few guys (less than 5) over the years for vacation dates, because if I were injured I need certain things to be known and for him to tell EMS. Also, if I did not trust him with that info. am I really going to be that dumb to cross state lines with him? Wacko logic lol.
I have never checked an ID, because it's pointless after the fact which is why P411 was just a guide for me to see who a guy was with, not if he was legit. If everyone did the agency method of making him slide the ID under the door before he opened it, maybe so, but we all know that's not happening. It only takes 5 seconds, but people are paranoid about who might be in the hall watching you go through that process now. Not like it used to be.
I lost you at about 50%.... And now I need more coffee.
How many times have we gone over this with you !!! Sad.....
On topic, some women require full name and work info. no matter how many refs you have... that's just how some operate. I never required it touring, but in my home town, damn right. I wanted to make sure I was not hooking up with someone that could ruin me professionally or with my family, but you know what... even getting all that does not stop guys from running off at the mouth sometimes. What can we do after that fact? Blacklist every guy we see?
I've never checked an ID, because I find that to be a bit stupid once he is in he room alone with me. What good is knowing his real name going to do when I am stuffed in a suit case? If I don't know with 99 percent certainty that he is who he says BEFORE I open that door, I am not meeting him period. ID checking goes back to agency providers most of which do hotel calls. Most owners back in the day screened through calling the front desk to verify John Doe was in room 4536, so the provider was to check ID in the hall before entering the room. The guy would slide it under the door.
Those were the days before references were so common.
Angel, did you really just tell the entire board that not only do you NOT screen, but that you take clients to your real home? You need some serious mentoring before you end up in a dumpster. That's not mean, but real. Christ!
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The local issue is an interesting one to me.
I'll have to give it some thought.
Good historical perspective on Ids as well.
I've never checked an ID, because I find that to be a bit stupid once he is in he room alone with me. What good is knowing his real name going to do when I am stuffed in a suit case? If I don't know with 99 percent certainty that he is who he says BEFORE I open that door, I am not meeting him period. ID checking goes back to agency providers most of which do hotel calls. Most owners back in the day screened through calling the front desk to verify John Doe was in room 4536, so the provider was to check ID in the hall before entering the room. The guy would slide it under the door.
Those were the days before references were so common.
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I read it for the entrepreneurs who talk about their startups there.
Mostly I lurk.
Very boring.
And exactly what does Alzheimer's have to do with any of this? I'm confused, if you are concerned about it being a LE setup, they'll get your real name and info when the bust you. I can completely understand how and why a lady wants to know who you are, I mean c'mon man you could be an axe murderer (ok, sorry had to throw some off color humor into this) but seriously every encounter for them could be a dangerous one. I would rather she be totally comfortable with me from the first moment we meet until we part ways, it makes the appointment that much more enjoyable. As the ladies said above, if you don't like a ladies requirements, move on.
If YOU get busted, LE WILL get your real name. Now, if SHE gets busted, LE MAY still get your real name, unless, of course, she doesn't have it.
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its all about safety.
AND even if for some reason she had your name they found it they cant cold call you and harass you. don't you have an attorney?
The government LE and what not cares nothing about you only if they bust you with her will they want your name and they will have it then anyway.
use a burner phone
stop letting your imagination run wild.
Google "Hush Hush Charlotte escort" and you will see. One man even committed suicide over it.
How ya like them apples? No one is forcing any of you to be here.. you are not the ones being paid to do a job. You are here to get your rocks off. Either up the info. she wants, or go see some tart up the street with nothing to lose. FYI, generally the providers who are the most lax on screening, are the very same ones who can and will fk with you, because they don't have shit going for them in the real world. Some of you have confessed time and again to seeing providers in their homes where minors live! Some have also confessed of fkin providers in the very bed your wife sleeps in... do you really think we can't find out your info. if you are that stupid? LMAO!
Some of you will put your uncovered member in a mouth that just swallowed 10 gallons of random jizz and trust her not to have an STD, but you won't leave your pants in the room while you shower. So you trust your LIFE with her, but not your work info... seriously, what sense does that make? Not a bit.
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Just because they don't match yours doesn't make them trash.
Some of you will put your uncovered member in a mouth that just swallowed 10 gallons of random jizz and trust her not to have an STD, but you won't leave your pants in the room while you shower. So you trust your LIFE with her, but not your work info... seriously, what sense does that make? Not a bit.
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I am talking about in real life. No intelligent woman is going to let some stranger in a room without knowing a few things about him. So no, she is not trash... she's just a fkin moron.
Nice way to avoid EVERY situation I posed about how dumb some of you are too lol. What is that? I don't care what a woman or man chooses to do in this business... it is the dumb logic behind why they do it, that never makes a bit of sense. If you don't trust a provider not to rip you off while you take a 2 minute shower, why would you put your d*ck in her mouth? Duh.
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No one's interested in your info except for the thieves. Lol.
If the provider gets pissed at you, for whatever reason, your name is going to land on the Internet. I can show you a bunch of websites where the names of Johns have been made known to the world. Now if you are some kind of the professional where his/her info is out there, for professional reasons.. Lets say you are a Doctor, Lawyer, Real Estate Broker, Banker, Professor... Anything that is public facing, good luck keeping your reputation intact. You may even get fired for this shit. Of course they will find something else to pin you down with...
And how about if she finds out about your SO. Yeah good luck dealing with the Divorce Attorney after that..
If my board persona and TER handle is not enough, sorry.. We are not going to have a session...
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Thats the way I look at it.
And how about if she finds out about your SO. Yeah good luck dealing with the Divorce Attorney after that..
If my board persona and TER handle is not enough, sorry.. We are not going to have a session...
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Lives and your interaction with an SO are important, but you don't think a woman who chooses to have this as a protocol shouldn't value whatever makes her feel comfortable? She's not dealing with repercussions that happen to her professional life, she's dealing with repercussions that can happen to her life. Period.
She can ask for your first born, this is a volunteer type of encounter. Come on dude, I thought you were smarter than to post a condescending easily squashed question.
When someone has entered the profession of sex trade, one has assumed a certain level of risk. Deal with it like an adult. Just like a Football player should not complain about concussions, a provider should not complain about the risks..
I am doing it for fun, and you are doing it for money. Its fair to say that the risk I want to assume is much lesser for few hours of fun, than the risk you should be willing to assume for thousands of dollars a month - in a good month..
If you still feel safe collecting personal info, and mangina boys want to give it to you FINE !!! I ain't one... Here's a HINT... A real badass criminal will do bad things to you even if you have his personal info.
P.S - I and You are both used in Universal Tense...
There's a difference between complaining about the risks and minimizing the risks.
Though a football player shouldn't complain about concussions he's sure as hell going to be wearing a helmet. Will it protect him from a deadly blow? Of course not, but he still wears it because it makes it less likely.
A badass criminal won't be alarmed by the fact that she has his info written somewhere, a borderline one might be. Who's to say.
Point being the only complainer here is a guy who should be more experienced to know that women can ask for whatever they want, and you as men have the right not to comply, but to complain about it isn't logical.
1. Start accepting P411 or DC verifications. I am OK with providing my info to these sites should need arise for me to go that route
2. Network with other providers and ask them questions about the person
3. Read his reviews and gauge his personality
4. Read his posts.. I can't imagine anyone having session with Lungman or Udo, should they ever contact a hooker with their ID
5. Gauge personality and try to get vibe based on email correspondence
6. Try talking on phone to see if the guy is professional or some doofus.
A lot of things can be done... w/o having his real identity.
So, you're also right that the douchy OP shouldn't be complaining.
I'm finding this is one of the most useful threads i've seen for ruling out BSC, financially and socially naive people, and those dangerous people who don't know how to compromise. Assuming there's a modicum of true beliefs in what everyone is saying.
Ok, but when someone chooses to get their rocks off by seeing hookers, they ALSO 'assume a certain level of risk.' I hate to point out the obvious, but providers are the ones running a business. If I want to hire x Attorney and he demands a retainer, I can pay it or go somewhere else. I went to him for SERVICES, he did not come to me. If I go to your place of business, you have your own demands that I must adhere to, in order to obtain services, do you not? Same thing.
This is a moot and redundant argument, and has been for 10 years. Do what the provider wants or find someone else... it is really that simple. You don't have to see providers, but if you choose to do so, certain ones are going to require certain things in order to meet. If you don't like those things, no crime in going somewhere else, but that attitude displayed (not by you babe) that says 'I am going to ruin her business and drill into every guy's head not to provide info.' is as tired as the day is long.
Have I made exceptions for certain TER members in the past? You betcha, but I was also on the boards 24/7 and got to know most of you on a more personal level through email, pm, and phone calls. Not every woman in the hobby has the time to put into that. They want the screening info. or no go.
Here's the truth.. Not just any truth.... DA TRUTH..
A lot of gals will ask for the Full Name, but will accept anything I give them...
So either they are too damn stupid, or all that wisdom goes out the window when the bills are due..
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I did not say there were not dumb hooktards out there lol. If they are going to demand info and then not check to make sure it's yours, they may as well not bother with it.
At best, it's stuff to chew on for the day they look
out at their market and see what they can change IF they want to compete differently.
Because clever argument or not, stated screening policies or not, I can copy-paste multiple emails from ladies who in print are on the stricter side of screening but then are seeing me after just knowing my TER record.
It's RL compromises and business tactics.
It's anecdotal but so is your proof.
Your analogy of the lawyer's market helps my argument more than yours. Sure there's the old retainer model for established attorneys; its different for less established lawyers or those with waning careers. I'm going to retainer the lawyer who won two cases for me before (that's RL), not some schmo on Superlawyers or Martindale's just because they said so.
Saying you set the business in any monopoly means something entirely different from seting the standard in this competitive market. Prisoner's dillemma plays a role.
This is a moot and redundant argument, and has been for 10 years. Do what the provider wants or find someone else... it is really that simple. You don't have to see providers, but if you choose to do so, certain ones are going to require certain things in order to meet. If you don't like those things, no crime in going somewhere else, but that attitude displayed (not by you babe) that says 'I am going to ruin her business and drill into every guy's head not to provide info.' is as tired as the day is long.
Have I made exceptions for certain TER members in the past? You betcha, but I was also on the boards 24/7 and got to know most of you on a more personal level through email, pm, and phone calls. Not every woman in the hobby has the time to put into that. They want the screening info. or no go.
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I can see what you are saying about the professional aspect though. I don't think I'd like it if it got exposed to my employer, although I don't participate in ANY social media sites so they'd have to be looking for that to find it. I appreciate your response and perspective, I think a key to all of it though is if a provider gets pissed at me, I don't do anything to get a provider pissed at me, so unless she totally bat shot crazy, I'm probably good. I do my due diligence upfront before asking to be screened and only contact reputable (to some extent) providers. I suppose there is always a risk, but I'm quite anal retentive and thorough in my research. As far as SO, I don't see myself ever having that problem again
And how about if she finds out about your SO. Yeah good luck dealing with the Divorce Attorney after that..
If my board persona and TER handle is not enough, sorry.. We are not going to have a session...
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Really? Your 'board persona'? So you use this forum as a way to 'sell' what kind of person you are? So that a prospective 'provider' can feel safe/comfortable/like you? Huh. Does that work? Are you conscious of what you say and how you say to keep that 'persona' consistent?
I'm not mocking you. Honestly. I'm curious if that's common here. It might explain alot of the types of posts I see. If your answer is 'yeah, that's right'. Cool. Just curious if I am understanding your sentence.
Russ, just wait until you run across a well reviewed, but BSC provider who goes nutso on you for something a trivial as an 8/8 review, and then launches a campaign against you that involves outing you to everyone you know, and plastering your name all over the internet. THEN you will know what is the big fckn deal about giving your personal info to a potentially BSC hooker.
Now I am not saying it will ever happen to you, but there are far too many cases of it happening to others to simply dismiss it. It happens, and it actually happens a lot.
Personally I don't mind giving out my real name, but I am blackmail proof. I have no job, no wife, I date mainly hookers, and even my mother knows I am a whoremonger, so there isn't a damn thing anyone can do with my personal info, but I have been outed and my real name and even my picture was plastered as over the internet just for shit that I said on this very site, so I know of what I speak,. Like I said, I am blackmail proof, so no harm done, can you say the same?
Bit again I do my due diligence. For instance there was a lady I wanted to see, her reviews were mostly great and I was seriously thinking about making the plunge and then I saw a train wreck of a post in here from her and I decided against it, too many other great women to see. Of course not every woman I want to see post in here so that doesn't always apply. Fortunately, I have not had any of those problems yet, knock on wood, and I've seen more ladies than I have reviews for. I haven't yet had a woman that didn't want to see me again, knock on wood. Perhaps I'm lucky, but I am convinced that we make our own luck.
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but it doesn't mean they haven't tried. lol
You can never tell which women are going to go BSC on you, surprisingly enough the ones with all 10/10 reviews are probably the MOST likely to do so as they have the most to protect and very likely got all those 10/10 through manipulation/extortion, etc to begin with.
and what if you had seen that woman with all those great reviews BEFORE she made that train wreck post here, you never would have known she was BSC until it was too late.
I will agree that doing your due diligence will improve your odds tremendously, but you can never be certain until after the fact, and then of course it's too late.
Funny I had a provider friend of mine confess to me once that she hates it when a guy is as blackmail proof as me, she freely admitted that she hates not having any leverage on someone like me if they ever have a dispute. Yes, I have had someone go waaaay out of their way in an attempt to destroy my life simply over words spoken on an anonymous fuck board, that person was very disappointed to find out how little impact those actions had on my life, but it wasn't through lack of trying. That person set out to ruin my life, and if I were in a vulnerable position, it would have succeeded. You just never know how vindictive and cowardly a person can be, especially when they can hide behind the internet when doing it.
Lol.
True words.
I'm heading that way to being a target based on the last three months.
I'm not as bulletproof as you are but I'm closer than most.
So good thing there.
Complaining... These girls have to protect themselves and I don't blame them for not using TER as a screening method. Since i started using p411, I have only been asked for my real info once. It is well worth it, and really speeds the screening process as well...
Good luck,
Spartan
that there are alternative ways of screening... Like P411 or DC.
But if the hookers insist on Full Name period, its just a futile argument.
Originally? For guys to review women so that other guys would know if they were legitimate escorts or would rip them off. That's what the founder wanted.
Now it's turned into a database of erotic reviews as well as a community for men and women who participate in this.
I don't believe its intention is to make it safe for women to do this, so a screening site it is not.
And even if it was, no one is seeing me without a real full name. Period.
Suffice it to say that I know who I'm meeting BEFORE that door opens. Checking ID when you're already alone with the guy is kind of moot.
a name that sounds just ask real as my real name..? Nothing really !!! Unless you got other means to verify it (Geez I hope not), you are really not going anywhere..
The only way I will ever give my real name to a provider is if she is my girl friend.
Only mamma knows Curly's real name because mamma gave him his real name... ![]()
That's my point, I DO have the means to verify it before I see the guy. There'd be no point otherwise.
The only way I will ever give my real name to a provider is if she is my girl friend.
Only mamma knows Curly's real name because mamma gave him his real name...
Nothing NSA about it really, a provider that requests your full name may simply run your name on a sex offender registry or criminal court records.
You may have p411, references etc, but that won't show that you've never been arrested for domestic violence or something as bad as child sexual abuse. And that is a good reason for a provider to avoid a client. I've given my full name to a handful of providers...it's not a comfortable feeling but you just have to go with your gut. I would only do this with someone who was very well reviewed and who has been vouched for by other providers that I know. I'm glad to say that I've seen some wonderful ladies that I would have never gotten the chance to see if I didn't give my full name...it can be risky yes but sometimes you have to take a risk in this game to get what you want. I'm willing to accept a little bit of risk. I understand why some people aren't comfortable with it though.
So p411 has no value to you?
Not in the traditional sense, I guess. For me, the value of P411 lies in its ability to expedite the reference check process, and to learn a little bit about the guy (if they choose to fill out their profile).
Ok just trying to learn here please bear with me? Let's say I've been on ter for years, many reviews that look ok to you, dozens and dozens of WL's some from gals you can easily contact and a well established p411 profile again with dozens and dozens of ok's again easily verifiable you'd STILL want the guy to fill out your form disclosing full name etc? Again, just trying to reconcile the value of p411 in the eyes of a top notch lady like you. Thanks.
I think Tobi works with the police which explains all the...
I'm TJ Hooker.
But in all seriousness, yes. The only exception that I'd make to that is if you had a reference from a gal that I trust without doubt, and that list can be counted on one hand.
And god love ya for calling me "top notch." I'm no Dolly Jewel, but I appreciate the compliment.
In the end though. It's her biz.
That's kinda like bitching about a dress code in a resturant you know.
I always give my name.
Like Gambler. I'm pretty blackmail proof.
I don't have anything to blackmail Lol!
Unless she wants me to fix the bathroom.
For me. It's a comfort thing.
It's important to me think she has peice of mind.
If she is comfortable.. I am comfortable.
I see why some guys with a lot to loose won't give out info.
But you can't complain about a woman not accepting you without it.
It's whining.. ![]()
That's not the point.
Yes. Some guys have to be extra careful.
Which means the providers they can see are limited.
It's a fact.. Complaining about it will not change it.
If her requirements are too much, go to the next one. You will find plenty of women who meet your comfort threshold.
Providers have every right to demand who is coming over to do the most intimate thing possible between two humans.
TER is not a screening site. P411 and DC are. Join up or shut up. Reviews and whitelists are technically fantasies, nothing more nothing less.
If males don't want to go through screening, it's your choice. Go away and find someone else then.
There are clown-costumed, axe wielding psycho killers that would love to have you with a good Chianti out there, just as well as BSC, bunny-boiling nut jobz. Fucked up in the head is not limited to XX or XY chromosome pairings.
THEY are out there to get you, or not. Depends on the fold of your tin-foil hat and if you like shiny side our or not.
Everybody has little hairs on the back of their neck and feelings in the gut that are there to keep you from becoming saber-tooth tiger lunch meat. Use them.
Bottom line: The person with the pussy makes their rules to live, and the person with a dick either pays and plays by their rules or not. It don't get any simpler than that
with the provider you're referencing. Her non-stop posting of 'specials' and 'new rates' is a little off-putting to me. I was considering seeing her before I saw all of that stuff, but have more than enough options without putting myself in what might be an uncomfortable position, so to speak.
If you don't want to give out your personal info, that's totally fine. That's your prerogative. But most of us who require that information make that clear on our ads/websites, so if you take the time to read what we write, you'll know that ahead of time. So if a lady outlines her screening requirements and you aren't comfortable divulging the information that she's requesting, just move on. Plenty of fish in the sea. But don't contact her anyway and expect her to make an exception just because you aren't comfortable giving her the info she asks for, then get all incredulous when she tells you that she won't see you without it. You'll only be wasting her time and nobody likes a whiner.
Just like there are "some" providers that INSIST you contact that them initially ONLY by filling out their screening form, it makes it easy to simply move on to the next lady on my list. No need to whine, bitch, moan, or groan about, I simply move on to the next lady I have an interest.
Being clear on your website for the ladies, and actually reading the website for the guys, can clear up a lot of disagreements before they ever start.
FWIW, I don't mind giving out my personal info, but I can certainly understand that men with a lot to lose would be loathe to do so.
Being clear on your website for the ladies, and actually reading the website for the guys, can clear up a lot of disagreements before they ever start.
FWIW, I don't mind giving out my personal info, but I can certainly understand that men with a lot to lose would be loathe to do so.
Which leads me to ask, do providers provide their real names? Should they not also have to be screened to ensure they won't misuse the information we provide them?
Moe Levish email Missy Mississippi after reading her sight. Missy wants to know if that's his real name, and he says yes. He gives his cell and she calls him. He refers her to his WhiteList, and she calls two or three of the women vouching for him, then she asks Moe where he works. He says he's self-employed. Doing What? He sells metals. Where? Down on 3rd Street.
So okay, she'll see him.
Missy's boyfriend, who works as security guard in Missy's building wants a lot of cash, so he gets Missy to fork over Moe's info. With that as a start, he figures out that other people name Levish are probably related to Moe. He calls them up and asks, "If you're next of kin to Moe Levish, please call me back." He notes which numbers call back.
Moe has a good time with Missy. He's a real sweetheart. As he's leaving, Missy's boyfriend meets him in the lot and they just talk about what Moe's Uncle Emile or Aunt Rose would say if they knew what their nephew was doing tonight. They also talk about how the boyfriend would really like to have some gold and platinum, and asks if maybe Moe could get him some of that stuff because, hell, Moe's been playing with his girlfriend.
Write your own ending, make it as violent or non-violent as you want. Doesn't matter if Moe gives up a few ounces or a few bricks. It's not going to be a happy-ending rub down. Missy is safe. Her safety has priority because she's conducting business and Moe just walked into her shop. She has a right to make a profit, and so does her boyfriend. And they promise to protect Moe from having his family from finding out. Sounds like a good deal, right?
Is this supposed to be the normal way things go?
and perhaps have a false sense of confidence because nothing bad has ever happened to them after providing this info.
Seems a little crazy to me, as it only takes one time for your info to be misused for you to be screwed.
Providing once to P411 was my entry ticket to the hobby, and if that, my okays, and references aren't enough, then its just not meant to be...
Very few of the people I see every week in my normal activities know my first and last name as given me at birth. I have a nickname. I don't spend a lot of time or communicate much with my source of income, and they are far removed from the people I hang out with. My provider knows more "about" than almost anyone else.
