Hey Folks,

Here's an portion of an Ohio provider's website that states: "After August 1st, I will ONLY travel via exclusive arrangements with all expenses paid upfront."

Guys: Would you pay someone's expenses upfront not knowing with 100% certainity that she will show up to your town? Are you willing to risk your money this way?

Gals (Traveling): Would you do this to your clients? If so, why?

Isn't it part of the business of being a provider is to acknowledge that you have expenses related to your profession and you are responsible to take care of those expenses?

Why dump all of your provider responsibilities of the expenses onto us hobbyists?

What does "exclusive arrangements" mean? First time I've seen those words phrased that way in this business.

sunrosc

Obviously she has no clue how to run her business.

And you're just the fella to show her how  LOL

but a reasonable explanation would be that she no longer "tours" and that if any client wants to see her outside of her hometown, he would now have to make exclusive arrangements which of course would include paying upfront for her travel expenses because she would be traveling exclusively to see him and him only. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

This took all of about 10 seconds of thought, I am sure there are other, equally plausible explanations, but without a link I am simply guessing.

It sounds to me that what she wants to do is just fly out to see one client, and then fly home again. If that's the case, I can understand her wanting money up front. I know that if someone in another non-adjoining state wanted to see me, I'd be requesting 50% in advance to cover my travel expenses (and ensure it wasn't a scam).

Last year I actually had someone in Oregon who wanted to see Freya (who is based in Boston) for an overnight. He agreed to the rate I quoted him (which certainly was NOT cheap), and to paying 50% in advance. But negotiations broke down when he refused to pay by credit card, and wanted to mail a check.

If you're REALLY determined to see a particular provider, and she doesn't travel, you really only have two options. Travel to her, or pay her enough that she'll come see you.

You are a reasonable person with a logical thought process.
The OP is very far from that!

So if I want to see someone that would be considered "top-shelf" I either have to fly somewhere myself or fly them here.  Usually I choose to do the flying myself and turn it into a vacation for me.

But I have flown them here on a few occasions.  The price of the travel is generally going to be pretty small compared to the price for the engagement.  I have told girls I'm not paying for first class - if they want the donation, they can fly coach or pay for the upgrade themselves when they get to the airport.

I have got burned on that - but only once.

I expect if I want to book a provider from the east coast, that she will cover all her expenses to get to Hawaii to see me!
Luckily there is a Wendy's close to the Honolulu airport, where I would insist on meeting her upon her arrival. If she was not exactly as advertised, then she is back on the next plane home! If everything looked good, then I would buy her a frosty and proceed with the date, and I would reimburse her for her expenses...at the end of the date of course!

Nyx,

What if at the last minute, you had to cancel for whatever reason.

Do you refund the money that was advanced to you back to the hobbyist?

sunrosc

Gambler,

So, you're willing to risk your money without any kind of assurances from the provider that if for some reason she had to cancel, that you'll get your money back.

Why risk your money that way? Isn't investing in stocks much safer?

sunrosc

Only the ladies would see you as being a cheapskate.

Way to go.

sunrosc

I responded to your post in the hopes that you weren't as stupid and troll-like as some of the posters here have implied. You aren't off to a good start in proving them wrong.

Putting myself in the providers shoes, I can see why she certainly would not want to take the risk to front the travel expenses to see a single client that may or may not flake out on her. As others have already opined, if a client wants to see a provider that doesn't tour, he has two choices. Either go see her in her city, or fly her to you. Since he is the one asking, the onus is on him to do the guaranteeing,not her. Is that really so hard to understand?

I have a well deserved reputation here for being an asshole and slamming providers for having prima donna attitudes and asking hobbyists to jump through endless hoops just for the privilege  of getting to spend their hard earned money on them, but EVEN I can see the reasoning for a provider to INSIST on a deposit before traveling to see a client.

and the next time you feel the urge to put words into my mouth that I plainly did not say, please DON"T. We'll get along much better that way.

No way.  I can understand a partial payment for pre bookings but never would I expect all of my expenses to be covered by clients. That's very strange to me .

And maybe if she is nice he'd even Supersize it.

Maybe that's what hasn't worked for you yet?

Try it...the Supersized that is LOL

The stupid is strong in this one.

First of all, I do not know what inspired the lady you speak of. But, I created a variety of exclusive travel packages for a number of reasons. But, I can offer my main reasoning and maybe give a bit of insight from our perspective.

The main reason I created the page was simple: I was tired of going through awkward discussions about rates for arrangements that I didn't have listed. I learned very quickly that a LOT of guys like having the option of bringing a lady to them exclusively. They don't want to have to wait for a lady to make it to their area on her own because sometimes there is no telling when that would be. Those gentlemen who do like having the option have no issues honoring the lady's request to take care of the arrangements because most appreciate the fact that she's willing to make the trip for the sole purpose of accommodating him. It's not about dumping our provider expenses on the client. It's about a gentleman who has no problem going after what he wants in this manner if he chooses to do so.

As far as trusting that a lady won't run off with your money, I am not sure where the concept of full payment beforehand comes from. The rates are listed, so I already know beforehand what is coming my way. No need to make the situation awkward by demanding it upfront. I have traveled on exclusive arrangements where I've been paid as soon as I reached my destination, immediately before departing, and even a week after the arrangement had happened (the last situation was an extremely trusted friend). It's all about what you and the lady are comfortable with. Obviously, these types of arrangements aren't for everyone.

LOL. There are assholes, and then there are assholes! And some assholes are fun to be around and some are just...well...assholes!

You don't seem to realize that Cappy is a:

Published author and expert on "How to be a Hooker"
Self proclaimed IT expert...that doesn't know how cell phone tracing seems to work
Expert button pusher on TER....no one has a quicker finger on that Report A Post..AND I MEAN NO ONE!!

And YOU...HA!!

Some guy that claims to fuck 5-7 chicas a week (I'm working on that audit report...but you need to stop sending in those gals to distract me).

Get with the program Jack....YOU need to understand this is the NEW TER  

And I decided that even if I turn her down and throw her back on the plane, I would probably still offer to pay...
for the frosty.

At your very brief and simple comment. I can just see Master Yoda saying that line!
Thanks man!

Or did you mean the "Supersized" Frosty?

Now that would be better...and clearly the right thing to do

She's not talking about touring, she's talking about traveling to see a specific client. Clearly she's been cancelled on after traveling to another city to see a client who reneged thus leaving her holding the bag for her travel expenses.

I really don't see the big deal.  She's not "dumping provider responsibilities" on anyone since the CUSTOMER is responsible for the lady's travel and lodging expenses under an exclusive arrangement anyway.

She's covering her ass.  I don't disagree that we have no way of knowing if she will show up or not but it's her decision and I'm sure she has thought about the consequences.   We can all choose to book with her or not...

If a gentleman requests my presence in another state and I am not going to be seeing anyone else (EXCLUSIVE ARRANGEMENT) but him, he pays 100%.

If I was going on tour and seeing a few men, I pay travel expenses and accommodations.

He has no reviews!

and it seems that many folks here don't want to have those showing.

What the hell is this world coming to?

But if there are royalties involved...I assume that they'll want some advertising revenues.

I'll make it the supersize frosty. I might even through in a small fries.
But if I decide to proceed with the date, I will actually pay for an entire combo meal!

To answer your question though, no, I wouldn't do it.

However, I have no interest in paying a woman to fly in a plane, sleep in a bed next to me, or watch her eat dinner. I'll stick to my 2 hour "dates" consisting of strictly sex. If I want a real date, I'll ask a woman who actually wants to be there for more than the size of my bank accounts.

You see, that is logical. You need to remember who you are talking to here.

If I (or one of my girls) had to cancel, then yes I would refund the money. If he canceled at the last minute after I had made travel arrangements, then no I would not.

Yeah your right again PS, I am that wayward nonconformist hooker who won't listen to the grand Poohbah of TER and his rules and regs on how to run my business.

So yes, when a client requests my person just for him I should pay all my expenses and then not charge him and overstay another day or two for free and be grateful for that review he threatened...er promised if I didn't.

She does not want to tour but she is willing to travel.

Some ladies only work at their home towns, some tour extensively, some mix and match.

she is not dumping anything on anyone, she is making an offer.  

I have 4 trips planned in august.  One is a week long tour, one is a two day mini tour and two trips would fall under "exclusive arrangements with all expenses paid upfront" definition.  Meaning I am traveling somewhere to spend X amount of time with ONE person,  Well, in case of one trips it's a couple, but same idea.

Exclusive arrangement means exactly what it says - an arrangement made between two parties.  It means that while she is visiting that person she won't bee seeing other people.

Elle,

Unlike some of the responses in this thread, your response is exactly the kinds of responses that is informative and constructive.

Thanks!

sunrosc

to post about. You are fkin seriously disturbed and really need to stop STALKING people dude. Let me borrow a page from your book and say, "Why don't you stop reading every word I write especially since you have to go to my actual website to see it?" What a nut job. FYI, MANY guys with MONEY unlike you, pay for us to fly all over the place so it is no so uncommon. Just for those unemployed, broke folks like you. Since you have taken such a huge interest in me, what I say, where I go, and whom I fk let me spell it out for you...got a full-time job, and can't tour for days on end anymore, not to mention touring was getting to be an utter pain in the ass. Please have your people contact my people if you have any further questions about wtf a hooker does with her time and business.

I love the way you call it "dumping our expenses onto hobbyists" bwahahaha. That is the funniest shit I ever heard. There are women who have NEVER left their home base for even a day without all expenses being paid...it's called not taking their free time to go fk off without a guarantee, and an "exclusive arrangement" means just that! The ONE guy wanting to see them PAYS for it!

To answer your question of how many guys do this....PLENTY, just not broke guys like you. It might be some other hooker's job to go lose money, but it's no longer mine lol. I don't "need" to do shit if I don't want to, therefore I don't.

Just so the entire board knows how not cryptic dipshit is, here is the link right to the EXACT words from my site. "August 1st" is not exactly some date he pulled out of his ass is it? S T A L K E R! You will also note it says, "All EXPENSES" paid upfront, not the damn money for the date, which I would not collect until I arrived. If I cancel, he gets a refund...duh. I am not going to fk up 4 years of consistent service and integrity over a few hundred bucks, and very few would unless they had an agenda.

http://www.londonrayne.com/contact.html


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He is even sending out mass mailers to TER members about his name change and his text includes, "I hate London Rayne so I changed my name" lol. Yep, got the exact word for word copy from a gal wondering why the fk he thinks she cares. Get a rope.

You need to get educated on how business works, before you lose yet another job bwahahaha. It's not an "expense of doing business" when we don't HAVE TO DO A DAMN THING! You think every provider out here tours? Get fkin real! Unless I actually WANT to visit a place and just want to goof off for a week with all expenses paid and no profit, touring is no longer needed for me. I have guys in certain areas like Cleveland, Memphis, and Chicago that I will ALWAYS make a trip for, but can't do it every 2 months anymore. Would I ask those guys to pay me upfront to see me?

Not unless it's on a week I can't go because of something else. Would I or any other provider with a lick of sense make a guy she has NEVER met pay a deposit for her to fly out to some strange city? WTF...of course! You're suggesting a guy emails us and says, "Hey baby, can you fly to D.C. next week to see me," and we just head for the airport...yea, talk about STOOPID!

We are not talking about getting expenses paid for a "tour," but a ONE date only fly out. If John calls you from NYC and you live in NC, you would just fly out there not knowing who he was or getting a deposit for your airfare? Um, ok lol. So, what if you pay for all your shit and he leaves you standing at the airport? Hmm, Business 101 anyone> Smart!



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Travel when it's time to go.  When the guy comes on the boards to complain, everyone  (rightly) lays the blame on him for taking the risk.  These are ALWAYS fun trainwrecks to watch, with White Knights charging in against alias snipers fighting over who can be the most stridently self righteous.  LOL

The bottom line is that the guy should never risk more than he can lose, and if the dice come up snake eyes, find another table to play at

I have never had to return a deposit but once, and it was returned in less than 24 hours of me receiving it. Had plans to go somewhere, then family issues came up. Sent him the money back, and he returned a 200 dollar gift card for the honesty. Guys who can't afford to lose a few bucks, are not usually the ones paying thousands of dollars for a hooker to fly to them either I might add...that's why this is such a foreign concept.... He has never paid more than 300 and insists that is only paid AFTER he gets his rocks off.

You can think of the reasons too, so it begs the question: why did you really post this?

I hate you London! (I am stomping my feet) LMAO

Actually your my hero. I am drinking all the beer I can handle so I can shrink my dick, and see you!

I don't have to tell you that whatever he's involved in, there will be a problem.  It's how he's become an expert.  LMFAO.

The guy is a NUT JOB who has been stalking me for months! He has even gone as far as to send out PMs to other TER members telling them, "I had to change my handle because I hate London Rayne." Disturbed, nutty, and about to be dealt with on a new level so stay tuned. Seems the entire board can't stand this dumb ass, and he is too oblivious to even realize it!

By the time she is done with your d*ck, it will be the perfect limpy for me bwahahahaha!

DC,

I asked the question mainly for the hobbyists to chime in on if they would do something like this.

I was more curious about that kind of situation and the risks involved if it was YOUR money. (not you specifically)

Like I have stated in the original post, I was on an Ohio provider's website and saw that little piece on her website. That is what this post was all about. Nothing more. Other people have tried to make this original post more than it really should have been. That's their problem, not mine.

sunrosc

Should become the enemy of every good hobbiest. Any man in general should have an instinct to protect women in general. That behavior is an insult to me. Makes us all look bad.
I'm sorry that is happening to you.

what, you think the man is made of money?!!

Hound,

So, what you are saying is that you will take someone's word for it and not doing any kind of fact-finding to verify that these statements are in fact true?

You make it sound like that her word is Gospel.

sunrosc

The info is available on the web.

Which is why YOU are continuing this charade trying to clear your pathetic name.

STOP already...it's what it is and the more you keep this up the more evidence YOU leave in your wake!!

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Stop acting as if we're fucking stupid and tell the orderlies to up your meds.

I don't know what kind of facility let you mentally deficient cretins have internet access, but it should at least be monitored.

Your typical Obdurate Obfuscation (have one of the guys in white look it up) is one thing , but outright fucking lying so that you can continue to stalk a provider is just fucking creepy, dangerous conduct that should get time added to your commitment.  

And if you're not the crazy impatient you appear to be, then you SHOULD be locked up for everyone's safety.

Your behavior here has crossed too many lines.

Feeling guilty? How come?
BTW. It wasn't hard to prove what I've been reading.

Changing your handle didn't magically make it all go away. Neither did begging admin to remove thread after thread.

You can't help yourself. You bring up the same topic regarding blacklists over and over ... leading people to find you on there for themselves and keeping it fresh in the minds of everyone.

Please do yourself a favor and take a vacation from the site for awhile. When you come back, try to refrain from beating that same topic to death. At least many will forget. I can't imagine any lady who uses this site regularly would currently be foolish enough to meet with you in person.

Don't get greedy! I already offered to upsize the frosy, and maybe throw in a small fries. (Because I didn't want CPA thnking I was a cheapskate).

But this was only for the ladies I was sending back. In your case anyway, I am sure I would probably proceed with the date, in which case I would cover everything (at the end of the date of course)

I will confess to having paid little or no attention to this potentially dangerous stalker up until now, but after this thread I am fully in the camp of "what are we going to do with this asshole?"

This person needs to be treated with the contempt that he deserves, and I can promise you that I for one will always keep this in mind in any further contact I might have with this pitiful person.

I am also in complete agreement with DC, something needs to be done about this guy, as we know banning is rarely a permanent solution as there are too many ways to create a new identity/IP address and be back here again in less than a day.

The saying "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" comes to mind here. As long as we make the occasional reminders to the new posters that will come on the site from time to time. I might suggest we make him a pariah here, treat him with the contempt he deserves and keep a close eye on him.

You call yourself a lawyer?

That's a laugh!!

sunrosc

You're crazy as your post is.

sunrosc

You have been totally and completely exposed for the menace that you are.

And if you continue with your stalking behavior...TER banning will be the least of your fucking problems.

I have said on occasion I don't ever threaten people...but you should talk to an attorney and show him/her the evidence that is on this board as well as what is in the public domain.

Maybe someone that you think is out for your protection can finally get you to understand you are moving into an arena that may have serious...and I mean serious implications.

This community is well beyond laughing at your handle...they appear ready and armed to take action.

And you do realize...WE all know what your legal name and address is...RIGHT?

in the Post.    I know that you won't get what I just wrote, but anyone who is worth a shit will.

You've now decended below pathetic.

I agree with your last paragraph on how to deal with the idiot stalker, but of course that only works if the posts are allowed to remain.

... and as meaningless as this probably seems to you, it would probably keep me up at night to represent a despicable piece of trash such as yourself. I always try to find the best in someone but ... well sometimes its quite a treasure hunt.

I attempted to be civil, because frankly I can be quite the ass without much provocation, but I guess its "game on" as far as TER will allow me, Cap-rapist!!! To the winner goes the spoils ... a spicy chicken sdandwich and large frosty I guess!!!

... he's a computer genius ... just ask him. He couldn't have possibly fucked up posting a link.

Threatening me in a public forum is NOT a smart move on your part.

Using the word "armed" has serious implications on YOUR part.

Threatening physical violence against someone is really, really stupid.

Good luck,

sunrosc

You THINK you're smart.

You didn't do any kind of search at all.

The search engines found over 410,000,000 results, not 12.

You're the real idiot.

sunrosc

Vegas,

I don't know anyone in VT, so why should I care how long it him to figure it out?

I could care less.

BTW, 410,000,000 results ends up to be well beyond 50+ pages. Feel like an idiot now?

sunrosc

personal or health issues, there is no freaking reason why a companion charging hundreds of dollars a month should be THAT broke

Lina

That is not uncommon for top providers who travel.

Then some guys are spending flyer miles and rewards, not dollars, to book the flight and hotel.

If I have to drive further than an hour I ask for travel expenses & 50% deposit upfront.   Not going to go out of town just to get stood up.

When you attach your hobby email to your real name and photo and then hit backpage ads with it, that says it all right there. STOOPID!

toss any of your stalking emails and the PM you sent me either. The entire board knows who you are and what you're about. Anyone can do a search for serpius and see how many blacklists you had LONG before I ever dealt with you, so stop backpeddaling! You're a nut job!

We know who he is, what is real name is, where he lives, where he went to school, and have his photo...what does he know about any of us? Not a fkin thing lol. Seems the ball truly is in our court as it always has been. If you're going to stalk someone, you might want to make sure that person does not have all they need to know to really FK you up!

websites, but the ones with the exact words, "After August 1st I will only travel via exclusive arrangemtents," and MINE is the ONLY ONE WITH THAT EXACT WORDING, jackass! Face it, you're a loser, a stalker, and no one here even likes you ha ha. Pretty sad when you can't even get a bunch of hookers and johns to give you the time of day eh? Tis your life.

and desperate for money, that we will pack up our shit on a whimb getting nothing upfront. Yea, stupid hookers WILL do that, but there are not many stupid hookers who frequent these boards without picking up valuable information. It does not take a rocket scientist to know about covering your ass. A guy is not "required" to see any provider he does not want to, nor pay for shit upfront. A provider is also not "required" to spend her time and money or see anyone she does not want to either. For the guys who DO want to see certain providers who require such expenses paid upfront, they will pay it or not see them.

is that it is logical, and makes perfect sense to most normal people! And we all know the OP of this thread is far from "logical" or "normal!"