I don’t believe you when you say you don’t believe because obviously you believe in the Trinity because you’ve been three different people through this thread. Just kidding. We kid because we love. (Well, we love somebody. Maybe not you, but… still kidding.)
If you want somebody to admit there’s an ugly side to this business, then yes, there is an ugly side to this business. Yes, it can be draining to attend to someone else’s needs and try to embody someone’s fantasy on a regular basis. Yes, it has to be hard to have someone rate your face, your body, and your skills for all the world to see. Yes, it can be rough physically to etc., etc., etc. But you’re missing something. People here aren’t in denial about the ugly side. You see it mentioned constantly in threads. I’ve seen it mentioned in plenty of reviews. Many people here have decided not to see this lady or that one because it’s clear from the reviews that the lady is not enjoying this life. But there are many ladies who actually enjoy what they do (“and it shows!”). And there are men here who are considerate of the ladies’ feelings. Read SoftlySarah’s reply, “Heaven” (love the line about a universal God not caring who we sleep with, I’ve thought that often myself). Or that godless heathen vantheman saying his religion here is to care about the lady’s physical and emotional well-being when he’s with her. If it bothers you this much, uther, you should stop. You wouldn’t be a sniveling pussydoll if you stopped. Your other option is to screen like hell, read reviews like a profiler, and find someone who seems to be enjoying herself. “The ugly side” is one of the many reasons I’ve quit, but it’s way down the list. The main reason is I don’t want to be a drain. Though I can be a great client, I can also be a fucking nutjob handful. I have needs right now that I can’t even imagine expecting a provider to fulfill, so I’m out. If you think “hobbying” is mostly destructive and you’re bringing that kind of energy into sessions, you should think about getting out, tooTER is a remarkably successful institution. It has professionalized and sanitized our hobby to such an extent that one almost forgets that there are any moral or spiritual implications to what we do. So let us ask once more, does it degrade our humanity to engage in what we do? Is it abhorrent to God? My opinion is, yes it is, at least to how I conceive God, which is an overly punitive, judgemental aspect of the unconscious that seeks to terrify and restrain the conscious self. Is there some higher form of God based on universal love which I'm missing? Perhaps, but I'll never know it, and so as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist.
I have to say the most progress I have made in life is by emulating Satan- the boldness, the desire to glorify oneself, the lack of regard for all authority. I've gone much farther in business and with women and meeting goals in life that way than being a meek, conscientious monk persona that strives to act nice and to do good. My natural inclinations are mostly good. I enjoy pleasing women and don't like to cause harm to others. When I follow Satan, really it means I'm following a path that is neither Satan nor God but is wholly self directed, without regard to the opinions or dictates of anyone else, be it God or Satan, or modern American culture or whatnot.
The price of this is high. I must sacrifice any higher meaning or morality, any chance at 'gazing at the face of God' in order to live my life as I must live it. And I must engage in what others deem unseemly or exploitative behavior. To do otherwise is to ignore my nature out of fear and weakness, and slink back into being some sniveling little pussydoll.
So there it is. I'm in hell, I choose to be here, and there's no place I'd rather be. Does anyone care to join me in this strange infernal dance, before we all die and vanish into oblivion
Drugs are bad, very bad. Remember that. Unless you brought enough for all of us that is.
Well, did you? Bring enough for all of us that is?
Well, did you? Bring enough for all of us that is?
I am guessing it takes more than just casual use to burn up enough brain cells to start looking for answers in a thousands year old book of fairy tales.
I think I will stick to fucking hookers, it's a lot more fun and doesn't fry your brain like drugs do.
second sentence when he claimed TER has "sanitized our hobby". We are all as filthy as ever and well aware. Lol
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want to be "sanitized" sanitary yes, as no one likes a stinky,dirty john, but sanitized? No fucking way. It's the main reason I refuse to self identify as a "hobbyist" I aint no stinking hobbyist, I am a dirty filthy whore mongering pig, OINK OINK!!!
I'll save you a seat on the "Hell Train"
I prefer to compromise my success and attempt kindness and patience as much as my imperfect self is able to achieve.
As to where I will end, only the great pumpkin knows...
What would he pick a retard like you to be his mouth piece?
I have to say the most progress I have made in life is by emulating Satan- the boldness, the desire to glorify oneself, the lack of regard for all authority. I've gone much farther in business and with women and meeting goals in life that way than being a meek, conscientious monk persona that sitrives to act nice and to do good. My natural inclinations are mostly good. I enjoy pleasing women and don't like to cause harm to others. When I follow Satan, really it means I'm following a path that is neither Satan nor God but is wholly self directed, without regard to the opinions or dictates of anyone else, be it God or Satan, or modern American culture or whatnot.
The price of this is high. I must sacrifice any higher meaning or morality, any chance at 'gazing at the face of God' in order to live my life as I must live it. And I must engage in what others deem unseemly or exploitative behavior. To do otherwise is to ignore my nature out of fear and weakness, and slink back into being some sniveling little pussydoll.
So there it is. I'm in hell, I choose to be here, and there's no place I'd rather be. Does anyone care to join me in this strange infernal dance, before we all die and vanish into oblivion?
"Tiffany please find enclosed my 2 references, and my p411 info. My interests are sports, doing the crossword and Satan worship. Are you available Friday at 7pm?"
And do you happen to have a goat?
We have received applications from many extremely qualified candidates but unfortunately there are only a few special positions at this time. Best of luck in your future endeavors
I truly pity your kind. Since I'm atheist/agnostic I'm 100% happily fucking around without fear of being judged by deities and/or sent to hell.
There's also no self-guilt like for them Christians, LOL!
But hey if you are one of those who needs a spiritual crutch and/or guidance to live a meaningful life go for it... no skin off my nose
Cheers to that!! My sentiments exactly.
..or whether I'm just agnostic about it. No one has ever shown me proof it exists. LOL
She sleeping on the floor next to me as I type this.
....works for me!
But I'm sure the OP thinks that since you are a lesbian, you'll be taking the non stop express! 
Toot toot!!!!
All aboard!!!!!
All the COOL people will be there anyway 😎
Nor do I believe in any God.
It's a good story, as far as I'm concerned.
But I have, and will continue to defend your right to worship Satan, or any other God that you wish.
Ol' Hieronymus sure knew how to throw a wild party!
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a parody religion as much as the next heretic, but goddamn, is this some joyless horseshit.
Amongst that LaVeyan morass of half-digested Jungianism, you're still constrained by the severely regressive binary of good and evil, and couching your ideology in the very terms you purport to reject. You're saying that the only "higher meaning or morality" to be had is one based on "God"...which would seem to make you exactly as beholden to said god (literal or metaphorical) as those who would proclaim their faith. It's really too staid to be subversive, too reactionary to be revolutionary.
It's really reminiscent of the Marquis de Sade (that petulant old fusspot) shitting on bibles and fucking hookers with crucifixes, all the while screaming how much he didn't care about god. Could've fooled me!
Why not banish those (literal or metaphorical) constructs entirely and be liberated? You can't dismantle the master's house with the master's tools.
It's a lot more fun making (and breaking) your own rules than slavishly recasting the same tired old tropes into what is essentially a macho self help message. Really not giving a fuck instead of pretending not to give a fuck is real enlightenment! (I'm working on it myself!
I was thinking along similar lines- why in heck bother to give legs to something you've defined, pretty much, as your own unconscious, anyway? We can control a hell of a lot about how we see the world, and hence how we experience it. All of it a choice. Everything's a choice. I choose pleasure and joy.
I'm in heaven here. 
I hear what you’re saying, “If they say this is what hell is, then ok, I choose this.” Problem is, I don’t believe what they say and obviously, you don’t either. What I say to you is (cliché alert, more coming) don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I think the biggest problem is somebody sold you a bill of goods on who God is and who satan is, you realized it was a bill of goods, but like Inari said, you’re still holding on to the bill of goods.
It’s not either/or. You don’t have to sacrifice God, higher meaning, or morality to succeed or even to get what you’re looking for here. What you do have to do is make peace with being imperfect, do something else “self-directed” and take a look at God and spirituality without the Sunday school glasses they handed all of us, and figure out the difference between who God says He/She is and who they say he is.
I’m not saying you’re going to find a hidden message from Buddy Christ that pay-for-play is ok, but maybe you will see a God that is way more complex than “the authorities” tell us. More complex, way less legal, and certainly more forgiving
So I love the range of responses and personalities in this thread and let me take this further with a few concrete examples which I'm making up but which I think might be possible. You find a girl who is not reviewed and is just starting out. You meet her at the hotel, and when you enter her room she looks scared and self conscious. You both talk and you try to make her feel comfortable but she keeps looking away as if she's feeling shame. Do you go through with the encounter or, realizing this isn't really the right profession for her, do you "do the right thing" by walking away? Suppose you figure she'll warm up to things so you both start getting busy but even after some minutes it's clear she's really not into it and not even able to fake enthusiasm. If you take it upon yourself to see new providers, aren't you at any time liable to encounter challenging situations like this?
Another one... a k girl advertising website gets shut down and it is found there was sex trafficking involved with some of the providers. However, another major advertising website that had many of the same girls and has close ties to the first one is not shut down, though you notice some of the girls are now gone. Do you continue seeing girls from that website that is not shut down?
I would deal with these situations i think alot differently than most hobbyists
This post I will actually take seriously, but you might want to make a separate thread out of it.
Scenario number one, I take her for ice cream and have a long talk with her about her newly chosen profession and whether it's the right one for her.
Scenario number two. if I had been seeing the girls in K girl agency number one, I would already know if there was actual sex trafficking going on, or if the media and prosecution had simply invented the charge. This scenario strikes home with me as I know how the human trafficking laws have been twisted to fuel the "war on consenting adults" The short answer is, YES I continue to patronize the girls from the other site. I am not going to punish those women just because the press is on a mission to sell human trafficking to the public. Some of you do gooders think you are "helping" women by boycotting them. Do you see the irony in this. Boycotting women because of a false report of human trafficking only hurts the women you purport to be helping. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
There's alot of sloppiness here. When I say "sanitized" I obviously mean "morally whitewashed". Yes everyone parades all the nasty details of their fuck sessions in the reviews etc. but they do not mention the momentary fear that a certain provider showed on her face when she first opened the door, or the look down and away when you try to kiss her face, or the sadness in her voice when she says she is lonely. And no, it's not just me, I am good looking and friendly with providers. It's something about the hobby and something about their past history with hobbyists.
Have I got you to stop yapping and beating the ground with sticks?
I use the mythology of Christianity simply because it's an adaptable and powerful way to discuss concepts like heaven, hell, sin, love etc. It would be appropriate even if one believes, as I do, that there is no God. In fact, there is a God. Do you see what I'm doing? I'm saying I don't believe that there is a creator of the universe that was embodied in the form of Jesus Christ. That's the first "God". I am saying that there exists some part of one's unconscious that requires obedience of the ego and which comes in the garb of a higher order. That's the second "God". I don't think you can really claim that these symbols don't in some sense resonate. You might even say because they've been around and woven into our culture that we at this point can't help but find them powerful. If you think they aren't, then perhaps you're the one in denial. If you try to use a different set of symbols like the ancient greek theories about the world being up of earth, air, fire, water, well I don't think those symbols are really appropriate here
I don’t believe you when you say you don’t believe because obviously you believe in the Trinity because you’ve been three different people through this thread. Just kidding. We kid because we love. (Well, we love somebody. Maybe not you, but… still kidding.)
If you want somebody to admit there’s an ugly side to this business, then yes, there is an ugly side to this business. Yes, it can be draining to attend to someone else’s needs and try to embody someone’s fantasy on a regular basis. Yes, it has to be hard to have someone rate your face, your body, and your skills for all the world to see. Yes, it can be rough physically to etc., etc., etc.
But you’re missing something. People here aren’t in denial about the ugly side. You see it mentioned constantly in threads. I’ve seen it mentioned in plenty of reviews. Many people here have decided not to see this lady or that one because it’s clear from the reviews that the lady is not enjoying this life.
But there are many ladies who actually enjoy what they do (“and it shows!”). And there are men here who are considerate of the ladies’ feelings. Read SoftlySarah’s reply, “Heaven” (love the line about a universal God not caring who we sleep with, I’ve thought that often myself). Or that godless heathen vantheman saying his religion here is to care about the lady’s physical and emotional well-being when he’s with her.
If it bothers you this much, uther, you should stop. You wouldn’t be a sniveling pussydoll if you stopped. Your other option is to screen like hell, read reviews like a profiler, and find someone who seems to be enjoying herself.
“The ugly side” is one of the many reasons I’ve quit, but it’s way down the list. The main reason is I don’t want to be a drain. Though I can be a great client, I can also be a fucking nutjob handful. I have needs right now that I can’t even imagine expecting a provider to fulfill, so I’m out. If you think “hobbying” is mostly destructive and you’re bringing that kind of energy into sessions, you should think about getting out, too
ok it stopped.
Sex is ok but if you are worried about how you having sex for pay is killing your soul I suggest
1 you pray for forgiveness
2 you stick to masturbation
3 supposedly there will be sex robots coming out soon, invest in apple while stock is undervalued.
It is ok to think about these things but if you are bringing god into your musings and posting here...well, I suggest you turn in your firearms and stop listening to Dr Savage during drive time.
Peace.
The Biblical perspective is one of grace. People are all inclined toward selfish gratification. That is human nature. God points that out to us via the 10 Commandments. They illustrate our evil inclinations as no one has ever kept them all. Since we cannot perfectly obey those and earn by works a place with God in Heaven; God gives us his unmerited favor through his son Jesus Christ. So, Christians aren't deemed worthy by their works, but by their belief in Christ wholly apart from works. Study the life of King David. He was a man of great courage and faith who periodically gave into lust, women, anger, violence, selfishness, deceit and murder. But...he trusted God. He is called "a man after God's own heart" not because of the mistakes he made but in spite of them. In Jesus lineage there is even a provider...named Rahab. I don't think God hates us; I think he understands us pretty well.
That's my understanding of Biblical teaching on the subject.
Personally I can't imagine caring less about what a bunch of people who believe in an invisible man in the sky think about anything.
I also don't give even a single fuck what the Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Wiccans, Moonies and Scientologists have to say on the subject.
We have a Politics and Religion board for a reason. I'd be more than happy to tell "how I really feel" about the subject over there.
that religion and whoremongering could cause conflict or be polarizing???
Peoples beliefs are what they are but bringing them to the board is asking for
intellectual cleansing whether you believe in a higher power or not.
BTW you forgot Khrishnas.
hari hari
I'm in heaven here! I love this arena for expressing myself. I choose how I see the world, too, and I see good in everything I do. Otherwise I wouldn't bother doing it. Why waste energy on something that would bring me down?
It's your choice to not see the goddess based on universal and unconditional love; it's my choice to embody her. Make better choices, and you'll be much happier. Really, it's not that hard!
And I'd question your definition of progress: If you define progress purely in material things, well, I'd say that's not the best definition of progress. Much more telling is this: "how I conceive God, which is an overly punitive, judgemental aspect of the unconscious that seeks to terrify and restrain the conscious self. Is there some higher form of God based on universal love which I'm missing? Perhaps, but I'll never know it, and so as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist." This tells me you probably need more progress.
And look at this and tell me that some anthropomorphized phantom of a religious persuasion really gives two shites about whom you're bedding and under what circumstances:
I don't believe in any fairy tale god. And if I did, I'd keep my religion and my sex life separate. But fuck it, sex in itself is an intense physical and emotional (spiritual) experience. So my religion here is to treat providers with the same respect that I want from them, and to care about their physical and emotional well-being when I'm with them...even if I am paying for a service.
Playing small does not serve the world. Be bold and know that it is not against "God". It is against controlling fucks in the name of God.
"If we are all going to hell then we are going to have one hell of a party down there".
Then save up all your venial transgressions for an occasional visit to the confessional and the farcical representative here on earth. Divine Comedy, indeed. God! That Karen Cho, On CNBC-Squawk Box Overnight, has a great pair of legs. Sorry, got distracted. lol