The more I read posts on the boards I see SB mentioned. I prefer a deeper connection. I tried the SB sites I never went on not one date because it seemed, like a complete waste of time. Everyone who contacted me had a set rate for example $500 for diners and entertainment. I would never try those sites again.  

IMO, a SB is a step closer to an actual GF. When I see a provider, I'm there for the sex, not social time. I am able to get a GF for social time and she doesn't cost me nearly as much as a SB. And, providers with exclusive offers cost even more. A irl girlfriend typically comes with her own job/money and doesn't expect me to pay for her time and shower her with gifts and expensive meals. Sure, I might pay for the dinner if we go out. But it's not even in the same ballpark of financial expectations. At least, this has been my experience. I know others get into much more costly relationships.

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I'm not looking for a "relationship". I'm not doing the weekly dinners, shopping and be that end of the month life support.
It's not moi.
Tried it years ago but found out it isn't in my DNA to be some wanna be "daddy". CAN'T DO IT

The sugar world is a way for men to find a more intimate connection than can be found in the escort world. While “no strings attached” is still the foundation, many men want to move away from the transactional feel of a date with an escort, even those escorts who are most skilled at creating the feel of intimacy. The cost of a well respected escort makes multi hour dates, that may or may not include social time, prohibitive for many men. A SB is most likely open to “off the clock” dates that may last 5-6 hours for a set amount of $$$, with the understanding that this will occur 2-4 times per month. This, in many cases is “found money,” a supplement to their income, or in the case of an SB with multiple arrangements, the way they make a living.  When it works, this type of arrangement is “mutually beneficial.”  I can see why an escort, who’s professional model is based on hourly compensation, would find a sugar relationship not financially worthwhile, unless she could find that “whale” that all SBs seek but who is mostly a myth

As someone who came to this by way of sugar dating, what amazes me is how much better I’m treated, including with gifts and dates, than I ever was as an SB.

A girl I had seen a few times wanted to discontinue being a regular provider and took down all her ads. We talked about it and worked out a figure for a monthly stipend in exchange for a “wow” date (major activity such as a concert, first class restaurant, overnight, etc.) once a month. It also included another couple of get togethers (such as for lunch) during the month.

And I totally respected the Queen .....    if I was seeking only a purely intimate encounter and had the financial resources, the queen would be one of my first choices.  

My SB experiences have been, at best, okay.  At worst, disastrous.  Perhaps I chose badly, but I found the SBs I saw to be flakey and unreliable.  Too eager not to use protection.  Sometimes there were issues with other boyfriends or husbands.  After a year or so, I decided to stick with professionals.  Much better.

I don’t think it’s an age thing. I’m not that young. Now, it might change with age for some. But I think it’s still about each’s preference.

Agree with everything you said. And, I would add for some the escort life isn’t for them. The SB might be a side hustle. They see one, maybe two or three, guy(s) and not much more. They might be okay with this type of relationship but not okay with a revolving door of clients.

Mine was accidental. She did porn and tried escorting briefly. I was one of her first clients. We hit it off and we agreed upon a set rate for longer dates. She stopped doing escorting because she didn’t like it. A friendship developed and we have a great arrangement. We have a pretty good age difference but she takes care of me and vice versa. She is an amazing girl and I know I’m one lucky fucker.

The sugar thing sounds like a fun thing . But as a happily married guy I just don't see how it would ever work. I wonder if there is a hybrid model ? Very similar to a regular provider but with a bit more personal touch ? Thoughts  

It heavily depends on expectations.  Most of the time, It's a dinner date along with sex.  Usually unprotected.  The girl is a girlfriend with lower levels of attachment.  Some fun texting and flirting in-between dates.

I've had three separate SB relationships that lasted around two years each. Each arrangement was great in its own way, although one ended in the most awful way. One is engaged now and we still keep in touch occasionally

I think the hybrid, if it exists, is finding an escort you’ve seen enough times that you feel comfortable making her an offer outside of her traditional published rates. Let’s say, for example, she charges $600/hr and you see her for one hour at a time, occasionally two. What you’d like is a 3-4 hour date, but at $2000 that exceeds your financial comfort level. The “hybrid” could be that you offer her $2500 for two 3-4 hour dates per month. Logistically, she gets the full $2500 amount at your first date and then a 2nd date that month is scheduled. The benefit to you is obvious. To her? Well…she gets a steady stream of income from a client she likes AND she is able to maneuver her monthly schedule to put you in at a time that may be traditionally slower for her (as long as it fits your schedule). Thus, she is making money (albeit at a lower rate) without the “opportunity loss” of seeing someone else at a higher rate. Of course, this takes trust and mutual respect so that 2 dates consistently happen without a lot of rescheduling, which is not good for anyone.
This is a business transaction. Your bargaining chips are the fact that you are a trusted, enjoyable client who is providing consistent cash flow. Would every escort agree to this? No. But it is good business for a companion who is looking to either fill a schedule that is not as busy as she’d like, or one who is overly busy with “one off” type clients. This can work

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While you can try with a regular, many do not like haggling even if it's for something more regular. And if she says no, you leave her, find another regular, and ask her at some point? Chasing what's not a posted option can be more difficult. Providers who like longer dates or arrangements often post better rates for longer bookings. They already put thought into it. So while there is a chance, if this is something you really want, you might be better off seeking out an actual SB and seeing if she will offer the hybrid version.

one that went according to the original agreement.  She was a 22 year old university student from Norway.  Her father, some kind of diplomat stationed in DC, told her she had to get a job to pay her living expenses while studying in California.  She had gone through a few low-paying jobs before I met her at a party in the neighborhood where I used to live but still knew everyone.  We hit it off and made a deal where I could see her as much as I wanted on 24 ours notice on certain days and times when she was not in classes.  I paid her a monthly fixed amount and it was such an attractive deal for me financially that I ended up not seeing her nearly as many times as I could have.  

I see your point, but I think this falls outside of the definition of “haggling” (which is definitely bad form). What’s built into this hybrid is the foundation of trust and comfort, and the realization that this trusted, enjoyable client is actually offering MORE money. How? Well… if you see a lady 2x per month for an hour at $600/hr, She gets $1200 for that month (but only has to give up 2hours of time). In the hybrid, she doubles the amount she gets from this enjoyable, reliable client (but has to give up more than double her time). But there is a win for her in that she can fill “slow” time with a reliable client plus she avoids the situation where, in order to make the same money she is being offered by this client, she will have to see 2 ADDITIONAL one hour clients. We all know that alot more time and energy goes into the companion having to prepare for 3 one hour dates than 1 three hour date.

moved to AZ 17 years ago.  

If i wanted a SB, id just find a civvie gal and hook her up.  

If the post does not apply to you and you're going to reply with disrespect why comment?  Maybe you can create your own post and share your experiences with TS's. 🤔 You seem to have a type. Variety of dicks.

The intersection between sugaring and escorting is an interesting and rich topic. I’m glad you posted

First off, i didnt hijack. I answered the question, honestly at that.  

Love you too damn much!

But I do find the arrangements interesting when other ladies tell me about them. I like structure too much and I like my off time to be completely off. I know ladies who have arrangements where a man pays a monthly fee, say eight thousand a month, and much more if he wants exclusivity. For that they can text her every day, call for chats, and see her for a few days each month when they come to town, or fly her out for a little extra when they can’t make it. To me that sounds exhausting. I would feel like I was working around the clock with all of that emotional labor. These guys text a good morning message every morning and a sleep tight message every night and expect daily communication.
It's just not for me. Sure, some of my long term clients have my personal number and can call me any time, but they would never call more than once a month or so if we didn't have upcoming plans that needed a conversation.

i think we are not discussing the big picture..   that traditionally  "civilian" ladies are open to the possibility of no longer giving it away and now requiring a donation.  The stigma of pay for play has certainly greatly reduced in the past say 10 to 15 years.      

Very true. There are many ways for sugar relationships/arrangements to emerge. I’ve had numerous experiences that played out just as you suggest with civilians who are active on Tinder, like older guys, and basically say that they might as well make a little cash

I think many take advantage of females who don't know any better. I have had one arrangement $10k monthly. I had another at $4k monthly. I am willing to customize monthly arrangements depending on the circumstances. I enjoy being wined & dined, and love to spend time with the right person.  For me it's about stability.

I found a young lady on one of the websites seeking to become a Sugar Baby---recognized her at her work---she was working at Burger King.....I never seriously considered pursuing her as a S B....but she was absolutely amazingly cute and probably could have been maintained inexpensively---she was probably in her early 20's  .....so ....my analysis is that like everything else there is someone who will  get it done for you that comes with every level of financial expectation....!

I think where the lines blur is providers look at the SB as an alternative to standard providing, but only if it makes financial sense. The provider is not all of the sudden becoming the client’s girlfriend. It’s still a professional arrangement and she is working, regardless of how good she may be at making him feel like she’s his girlfriend. A provider sees it as her job to make him feel good and expects reasonable compensation for her work. And, in this situation it makes complete sense.

You are only looking at it from a provider perspective.  Yes. You would need to replace your income.  But, a SB is not doing P4P.  She is dating a guy who can afford to supplement her lifestyle.  If you still think I'm 'using' someone by taking her on a week long vacation, paying for everything, buying her clothes and other necessities for the trip, while paying her tuition for school then I'm at a loss on what to say.  With what I provide I am allowed to have expectations.  An arrangement with a provider probably wou not work for me personally.  Unless it were just a simple, I get a discount but have to see you weekly.

My boyfriend's bought me lots of gifts. My babies Daddy took me off the market bought me cars, a house, and paid off student loans. I realize there's a huge difference that's why communication is key. I don't mind compromising if it can be mutually beneficial.

In my experience finding a escort meets the needs/desires as there is an expectation of mutual pleasure after going out to a restaurant or concert.  Once a month or every three weeks keep the  body/mind in a good place.  

You're right, and so are they. It doesn't make sense for a provider to do it unless it fits their financial model. But for your average civie who wants more than just giving it up for free, it may make a ton of sense. I know ladies who spend 5k-10k to travel to see places they are interested in. Having a guy cover their trip to a place they want to see is a huge financial gain for them. And, from a guy's perspective, he is paying a lot for her to be there. This is a large financial example.

Haggling or not, it all comes down to trust and the amount of the offer.  $2500 is not likely to elicit much interest from a provider.  if the offer is $10-12K/month, for at least a year, you would be surprised at how positive the response is.  

At that price, we're talking 120k-144k for the year. I was saying it would be difficult at the 2.5k offer. A higher price point like your example is completely different.

Looks like one of my earlier posts got deleted.  

It depends! There’s something for everyone, anytime, anywhere.

Hmmmm.

Yes, it is possible ...
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Not that it involved marriage, but I happened upon a house of ill repute one day, as was my wont in the day, and as was often the case with such establishments, the madam had her charges line up in front of me for the purpose of allowing me to select which Coleen would be my belle du jour.

Rabbits are lagomorphs! Unlike rodents, they have a double set of front incisors, and they’re strictly herbivorous with the digestive modifications to match.

While I enjoy my regular pro SW immensely,  something less transactional while still NSA appeals to me.

Thanks for your honest reply. I am single & prefer less transactional. After over twenty years in this hobby lifestyle I prefer prepaid dates it allows the time to flow more organically when everything is settled. All we have to do is have fun & enjoy each other's company. 🥰

It all makes sense to me. mrfisher is the one who mentioned "toothsome" and the incisors you mentioned are very toothy!

This thread has nothing to do with the Internal Revenue Service. Some of these posts should be audited.

I guess he'll now have to add "still not an accountant."

Here's the definition of taxonomical:  

Zing!

Very interesting. I suppose the next thing you'll be telling us is that "toothsome" doesn't mean "having some teeth." EVERY lagomorph has teeth! And when properly prepared, they are pleasant to the taste.

I thought the fair maidens were butterflies.

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Is someone playing Jedi mind trick on u

I’ll give you the “Bunny-has-gun” manic pixie dream girl experience if u want. $50000

I have freestyled in NYC & Manhattan it's always golden.

Toothsome and buxom!