P411 just broadcast a message to everyone on site that clients, if asked, must show the ID that created their p411 id.  Failure to do so will get you banned from p411.

It has always been in their terms, and that same message from Gina is repeated every so often.

Micah and I were just locked out of our accounts until we sent in stuff to verify who we were and that we were of age. They say it could take up to 72 "business hours" to get back into it. I guess something must have happened to make them go to this kind of verification measure.

It's not a new policy (as noted, ty).... this has been the client id policy since the inception of P411 (2005), and I  post it every year or so (and it can always be found under Extras).

It's amazing to me that these sites are asking for government ID as if this activity is lawful.  I mean, the potential for security breaches and outing alone is cause to tell them to take their requirements and kindly fuck off.  Why are people agreeing to this??  I get the ones who aren't concerned about outing and the like.  Not everyone needs to hide, sure.  But are those of you (clients and providers) who want this to be a secret...are you actually agreeing to this?  I'm really interested in knowing.  

I see no problem with it at all, and even require it myself for newbies who don't have references as well. I'm pretty reputable so they know I'm not fake or LE, but if you have no one to back you up, I'm not willing to see anyone without it. As for P411, I get it on their part as well for both sides. It's way more risky to have girls signed up that are under age and legitimate government ID's are the only way to prove the age requirements. In retrospect, also having the guys information makes it much safer for the ladies to use their service without as big of a risk and helps us in the leg work as well. I love P411 for much of that reason. Granted, if the guy is new, I'll still ask for those things, as Gina consistently suggests to do (mentioning to both ladies and gents alike that we are allowed to do any additional screening we feel makes us safer) but for those who have established accounts, it's a great tool. Everything that is on my screening form is already listed in the user's profile including age, race, and preferences. Not only that, but it also has all your references listed there and a quick way to contact them. I don't accept "TER Whitelist" as a means of reference anyway, as I prefer to contact ladies directly and ask how the date went from them. P411 is a great tool that has helped me many of times-even got my donation when a guy flaked out after knowing my cancellation policy! They're great, so I have no problem giving them those things if they help both parties to be safe and play by whatever rules you want to say this hobby has.

I can tell that you're a libertarian by the paranoia. P411 doesn't keep records of how they verify client users. They verify, and then they make the client ID based on information that a provider can verify in person. Like the four-digit number part of a client ID is the last four digits of some form of ID that you can show, like a driver's license. This is for the provider's sake, so she can verify that a client is actually the person who was cleared by P411. Likewise, P411 verifies providers to make sure that they aren't law enforcement or underage, so that clients can feel secure when booking with them. Sorry you don't see the value in it, but most of us do.

...contact the lady directly using a TER White List. The providers name on the white list is a link. It will take you to her profile where her contact info is.

I was aware of the policy and mentioned it just a few days ago.  I have been on p411 since April of 2016 and this is the first admin broadcast email about it that I've seen (I keep them all, so I've just verified not getting it.)  So that's why I assumed it was a crack down.  

Those are people who indulge exhaustively in fuzzy concepts that would probably never survive exposure to reality; and I say probably because Libertarians can never be specific enough about an idea to seriously vet.  So no, I'm not.  

Not a rhetorical question , do you honestly believe p411 deletes all that data?

I believe she deletes it.  Because the only value is for recurring billing.  The rest is a liability target.   Since there is no recurring billing, the most likely cause is deletion of data.

Do you have any evidence she doesn't?  If so, how come none of it has leaked?  And if she keeps it, why?  What would be the point?  Last, don't you think she knows if any personal info leaked, or was hacked, her business would be Instant Toast.  So she has no incentive to keep it and every incentive to shit can it.

I simply explained why it's extremely unlikely P411 has ever (or would ever) leak info.  I provided my personal info to the about 7 years ago and nothing has been leaked.  Nor have I ever heard about personal info ever being mis-used by them. So all I am doing is making a logical inference.
Your final point, "efficiency" is just plain silly.  How does having a copy of my Driver's License make it easier to "service" me? They have my email address, which is all they need.
And talk about assumptions, you speculate that all they may do it hit the "trash button on the email."  Why do you assume that?  As far as assumptions go, that's much further out there than any I made.
You worry too much.

Not to quibble but the data historical and present is one way the product (p411) has value to a potential buyer so their is definitely a reason to keep it
Kinda like an agency book. That said if a leak happened the value goes to 0 in an instant...   So like all things safety including your data everyone should take personal responsibility for themselves and act accordingly...

You should definitely reread this exchange.  I'M not the one making assumptions.  I'm pointing out the potential issues.  YOU'RE the one making assumptions about what precautions P411 is taking with your data and how safe it is.  

I really am LMAO at that one.  I also never said I wasn't making some assumptions.  Seems like i'm not the only one who needs to do some "rereading.":
Edited to  add this PS:
Gina already answered on this thread and has a very good rep in this community for professionalism and responsiveness. Whereas you are an unknown handle on this board with no reviews and a couple of dozen posts on local boards that only go back to September.  

She does not delete provider info it says right on the page you get when your account is locked so they can keep your ID on file!!!!!!

I think in 8 years, 2 girls (booked thru P411) have asked for my ID.  One girl I showed without even thinking there would be a problem.  The other I could not because my wallet was in the car.  No issues either time.

That's exactly why P411 rocks!!!!

My comments were based on the client side of things.  I have no insight to the provider side.

I've seen this message and have no problem with this.  I'm happy to use p411 as one of my verification methods so I know when a friend comes to see me that they are who they say they are.  Yes I know the possibility is there for it to be otherwise but p411 has always shown me to be a great source for verification and one that I trust so If they are asking for members to send ids as is a requirement anyway from what I gather then I have no problem with that.  I'm sure everyone can understand this is something that allows people to feel safe so them not doing this would be considered off if that was the case.

....advertising and screening site I have used consistently for the last 10 years. It works for me and it works for the clients that I like to see. Gina runs a tight ship and I’ve never had cause for concern.  

In my experience P411 and TER do collectively provide about the safest way of finding good providers. Clients and providers should still do a little sleuthing. With TER that might include checking reviewer history on top of provider reviews, and with P411 this should always include comparing provider contact info against at least a basic www search. In the case of P411, I’ve ran across providers with no reviews and found next to nothing (sometimes nothing at all) when searching, for example, the provider’s phone number. I’m sure Gina has verified these latter, but my own standards of safety keeps me from even considering such a listed provider.  

As many have said, this focus is not new.  My experience has been that Gina is an amazingly honorable person. I knew (of) her before there was a P411 or a TER, and she was known as being honorable then too. IMHO, good and decent people do not change... so I trust her, and it seems to me that while nothing is perfect, P411 is better than anything else at what it does.

My 4 digit number was requested the first two times I met ladies via P411. Since then I always have all of the data/ information with me (in my travel wallet) every time I meet with a new lady, but I've not been asked to show it again.

P411 is not in business to protect clients. It is for profit by taking money for membership. There are providers using p411 that should be avoided, but they are there.  Because without providers to attract members, there would be no p411. It's only a matter of time before LE infiltrates as phony clients/providers. Eros has been around for years and just recently office was raided in U.S.?  

You can avoid all risk by staying in the closet and die a virgin.

"....to make sure they aren't law enforcement or underage..."  I have several clients that are LE and they all have 411 memberships so I'm pretty sure p411 does not verify that aspect of identification.  

I posted my previous comment and realized I had deleted the rest of my comment...oops.  Anyway, I meant to say that IMO no verification site is bullet-proof, including p411.  We as a community both Providers and Hobbyists need to use common sense and conduct ourselves as responsible adults and not solely depend on any site to keep us safe.