Do you feel having sex is better than making love?  

Why is having sex with a professional (provider) better than both?  

Your thoughts if any?

I also don't understand why the guys here think they are making love to a prostitute.  Or that she gives a shit about the guy.

Why do so many in P4P confuse this?

Don't you think?

Seriously.

roviders are great for trying new things and expanding horizons.

Let's be honest. Their menus just tend to be more open and more extensive than what you would typically get with a non-professional. Not to mention that you can experiment with certain things with fewer inhibitions.

I've had a few civie girlfriends through the years who had the same kind of open menu in addition to the comfort level of trying new things. But those were pretty few and far between to be perfectly honest. The vast majority of the ladies out there are fairly vanilla.

And that's totally fine, because vanilla doesn't necessarily mean lacking in passion or love. The love part is something you won't get from a pro. That and bareback of course. ha h

Best sex ive ever had has been with my wife......the times i have spent with provders was hot and fun, the best has always been with my wife.  

Your question revolves around semantics and is totally open to interpretation. Do you believe you have to be in a relationship to make love? Aren't there times you've just fucked the brains out of your SO? You've never shared blissful intimacy with a pro or an ATF?  

I've had sex and MADE love to several professionals. I've fucked others because that was all that was on the table. A lot of that was great. Some average, some eh.  

If they weren't making love back, well I'll be a monkeys uncle. And if the acting was THAT good, then it was making love ... I've also had some great, more average and some lousy sex with my ex-wife, but some world class sex and lovemaking with short term SOs. ...  

And there were also those ocassions that were beyond sex and lovemaking. I liked that a lot ... for me, money is never part of the ocassion, just the toll to enter the field of play.  

So what was your question? LOL

fucked and know the difference. And if the fantasy is that close to the "real thing" or lovemaking as you allude, I'm having a lot more fun than you.

to make it all the best, I'd overdose.

As to your breakdown of the possibilities, I find them limiting.

Two people can make love, have sex, do many things.... and commitment is not always required for it to be great.

The world, even this small space within it, is a much larger place than your question considers

The shit I do with prostitutes is a lot of fun.

It better be since I am paying for them to do whatever the fuck I want.

I would bet you have never really had any experiences like mine.  You want to pretend that the prostitute loves you.  Get a dog.

why do you hobby? Does she not put out often enough? Or do you just like to pay for "not as good sex"? I really don't get it ....  very serious and not making jest at your situation. If I wasn't so happy with my life, I'd be jealous. Maybe a fetish? IDK  

I wish my ex was the best sex I ever had. Before or after I married her. Not why I married her

Of course  making love is better than just having sex. One can thank the providers for all the LIMITS and BOUNDARIES for that.

However I have blurred the line with my various ATF regulars over the years so one can really do either with both civilians and prostitutes.

My BEST experience has been making love to my ATFs or to put it bluntly prostitutes!  

When a pro has few if any limit or boundary she easily best a civilian due to her experience and ahem... frequent training

I've had the pleasure of sex and love.
Sex...wanton sex, no holds barred with a provider or a signifacant other are the same. Extremely fun and erotic, errogenous....

Making love can only be done with a significant other.

Just sayin

the shape of your heart ...

1. You'd lose that bet  
2. Never fucked or made love to my dog
3. It might be a safe bet that the ladies you  
refer to might have a better time with me ...
 I pay for that and feel I get a significant ROI
4. It's not that hard to rattle your cage, is it.  

Can we kiss and make up ... JK

when there is chemistry, connection, communication, mutual respect and mutual enjoyment

It is not better than the sex I had with my ex-wife when things were going good with us. She was as willing to try things as any pro, and she knew exactly what to do to please me, and did. As good as the pros are that I've met, they don't come close to my ex. Also, nothing can make up for love. It makes any sex so much better when you know the things being done are because the woman loves you, and not just for money.  

When it comes to comparing pros to the civvies I dated, the pros blow them out of the water. The civvies were restrained and didn't know how to even give a good BJ.

How much experience she has and her attitude.  Other factors include the tightness of the vagina. Some can get you off in 5 minutes others it takes 15 to 20 minutes.

but i'ave always had trouble expressing myself with women, not only physically, but emotionally and even verbally.  as a young man i was pathologically afraid of women.  sex was a disaster for me.

sex with my wife was fine up to a point but i was still incredibly afraid to try things, including even initiating sex when she was not apparently in the mood.  and tbh she was not interested in the role play i asked her for.

so i moved on to professionals.  i found the big difference between professionals and civvies is that professionals seemed to be engaged in the process, where as every civvie i ever was in bed with waited for me to make every move, set every pace, initiate every kiss, suggest every position... in short, i was running the show.  and as a frightened participant that often meant no show got off the ground.

once i became fully immersed in the hobby i found women that were happy to take the lead, even in little things like suggesting we go to the bedroom, or just dropping to their knees and (you can guess what) without my asking.  also nobody ever curled up in a little ball and pouted if i was stymied about what to do next, or if the magic dragon lost some of his magic for a while.  the professional ladies would gracefully continue on with erotic play, letting me know simply by their engagement in the process that mistakes weren't something to be concerned about, and they usually weren't even mistakes.

this gave me more and more confidence in myself and my ability to participate.  i also became more confident in my ability to ask for what i wanted, and to open my mouth when something was happening that i didn't like.

yes, i know i am emotionally stunted, or at least my emotional matrix got twisted way out of shape while growing up in a violent and bipolar household, but unfortunately for my civvie partners i never felt like they were involved in my love making other than just occupying space.  i am sure i was looking at it (and them) wrong, but it was what it was, and i am where i am.

with civvies i felt like i was dragging dead weights across the floor.  with professionals i feel like i am dancing with a partner.

i never had a civvie partner, my wife included, tell me i was a good lover.  or even that i was sexy to them.

sure, the ladies i see are saying that mostly in deference to the envelope i lay down, but damn it's nice to hear it for a f^cking change.

i thank god for the wonderful women that have shown me how to not be afraid of what i am, which is just a guy with specific kinks.

and i guess i have to say i haven't found any difference between making love and having sex.  c'est le guerre.  at this point for me it's just about enjoying myself for the first time in my life.

we were going through a very rough time and i was having a mid life crisis......we worked through my betrayal and we now only hobby together, i am very lucky that she lets me enjoy this with her!!!!

Fucking and
Making love so it's apples and orangutans really

Less inhibitions = more fun

you have when you are with a provider?  If it is.......do you still end up enjoying yourself?  Are you into S&M or something.........or do you get off on being an asshole?

Not judging........we all like what we like.  Just wondering.

When I go to a restaurant, I pay them, and they will do just about anything I want if it is on their menu.  But, I still enjoy having a good rapport with my server and  the exchange of courtesy.  You may be surprised at the amazing service and occasionally the additional perks I often receive as a result.

I have considered that myself. I bet u in real life he's a total cuddly teddy bear. He's playing tuff guy here.

he gets pushed around a lot at work.........or was bullied when growing up..........and now thinks it is his turn to be on the giving end.

As I climbed the corporate ladder, had to deal with a number of people like that and was often surprised they were trusted with supervisory responsibility in spite of their difficult attitudes.  As I ascended to higher and higher positions of responsibility, I quickly learned my ability to establish rapport was just as valuable as what I knew about my profession.  Eventually, most of these guys ended up working for me and I enjoyed reindoctrinating them and allowing them to experience what they had burdened their subordinates with.

I agree a "willing" partner usually is better.  Willing enthusiasm is usually better.

Oh my.
You're kinkier than I thought!

On how you feel at the time.  For me, I have not been in a satisfying civvie relationship in over a decade.  Not to worry...the hobby has substituted not only the sexual, but I have made friends with a number of ladies that have satisfied at least in part.  I keep an open mind, and it works here.   Just my three pennies...

Hey don't knock it until you try it.  
Actually, the auto-complete feature on my phone gets the credit
Siri did make me laugh pretty hard that time, but I have
To fess up to the kink
Got me there. 😎

Hey! Stop feeding the Troll! Now, he will never leave.

The best sex I have had over a long dissolute career beginning at age 13 and continuing now into my 70s was with six different women (not together, of course.) Three were providers and two were lovers and one was a friend with benefits.  Sex with each was spectacular. The relationships were, of course, different, but the sex was always spectacular.  . The difference was that time with the lovers was heavily emotional and of course in long periods together, traveling, spending long time together.  The sex with the providers was also wonderful and emotional in a different way.  There wasn't the heavy person deep feeling and the (still enduring, in one case after decades of absence) love. The friend with benefit was totally different but also had its unbelievable charms.  
With each of the six, the sex was absolutely great, but the emotions with the two perfect lovers was the deepest best relationships I have had outside my family (nothing touches love between parent and child, grand parent and grand child, and --in my good marriage-- husband and wife.)  
In terms of pure sex, each of the six was absolutely great and just as wonderful with each of them.

Though statistically, I've only ever had sex with about 10 civies, but well over 200 professionals, so I'm not sure how a statistician would feel about that.

In any case, I chuck it up to that old saying:  Practice makes perfect

Start making appointments without money see what happen....Alot of people cross lines in the business.

You are one lucky bastard......Mine just closed up shop in 2009.  No discussion, no consideration, just decided she was done and to hell with me.  

She was great in the sack when it came to actually fucking...scream, yell, squeeze my cock while in her pussy, etc.  

Foreplay....forget it.  After play....forget it.  Oral, forget it giving and receiving. I think she was a guy in a previous life.......

Once again, you are a lucky bastard.....good for you!

My ex-wife was fantastic at lovemaking and animalistic fucking.  Blowjobs, anal, CIM, she did it all.  Professional sex workers might be somewhat better at certain things in some respects, but that's because they are very experienced.  My ex was probably about as experienced as a civie woman can be, so that explains a few things.  I personally think any good relationship (civie or professional) is going to include a mixture of lovemaking and lust-fueled fuckfests.  Enter my ATF, who, with even more experience than my ex-wife, and a genuine attraction to me, can make sweet love to me...or fuck my brains out with an intensity that's almost terrifying.  Chemistry is key in all sexual situations.

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