often date, pick up guys in bars, and to all of the fun things highly sexed women do for enjoyment.

Whether you donate for their "time" depends on whether you meet them as a client or during personal time.

I've met a couple of ladies whom I did not know where in the biz, had nice rolls in the hay with them. Sometimes a bit more before discovering that they are working girls. Does not bother me in the least.

OTOH I have met providers via the donation route. Can't much tell the difference at the business end lol. EXCEPT to say that there is sometimes less *drama* going the donation route than the personal way.

Lastly I have on a couple of occasions met providers through the donation route and had things get personal. Very fun but very very dramatic, and it does not last.

All in all, I prefer to go the donation route myself. Fewer complications, less drama.

Oh - I have had a few ladies who "met" me on the boards schedule first time visits to DC with the promise of making my acquaintance, such as it is.....

When you mix men and women and sex and money all sorts of interesting things happen, and many do not conform themselves to quite either the SO (lease plan) or Hobby (rental plan) paradigm....

Posted to mrfisher's thread, and it got me wondering.

It's been told time and time again why some of the guys 'hobby'. Don't really care for the word, but I go with it.

It seems, for the most part, there are guys here that either (A) are not satisfied with their marital(SO) situation, (B) are older, divorced, whatever,  or (C) think they can't get a beautiful woman to have sex with them for whatever reason other than the money factor.

I call bullshit. It's apparent to me, there are many ladies here that dig certain guys because of their wit, their wisdom, the way they talk with the ladies, and they way they interact beyond these boards.

I will bet cash money, right here and now, that some of these ladies will see certain guys just because.

These ladies are not TOTALLY into the almighty buck. They have feelings, just like anyone else.

Not saying they're looking for a man here, or on any other board. Just sayin', they're smart enough to know, who's a good guy, and who's not.

And they know a damn good man when they see him.

Notice I didn't put me in there?! I'm a freak-show and I know it.  

So, I fully expect to be called out by many alias'. Knock your fucking selves out!

Not doing the E-Harmony deal. Just sayin'. I get the distinct impression that some of these ladies would infact see some of the guys on a personal basis.

Tell me I'm wrong?!

Glory seeking egotistical prick.

I spit my Bourbon in yer general direction.

Asshole

I agree with the MP here for the most part, but I think it is all a game of percentages.  Sure, some % of women we see would see certain guys just because of attraction or whatever, aside from simply money.  I feel that a slightly larger % just likes the sex and what I may call "surprise sex" - sex with people that they have not been with before.  Something constantly new and exciting.  Or not.  

More than a few women have either told me that they really like the sex (perhaps not necessarily with me!!) or have said the same thing by saying that they can't believe they get paid for "this".  And yes, some just do it for the money, oftentimes both.  It's the "sex likers" that I try to find and I feel that I have had the best time with these women.  Do I like them on a personal level?  Yes, of course, quite often.  But I keep the six degrees of separation - always.  

And there is a % of "money only" women which I do try to avoid and you can tell who these are quite readily.  All a game of %'s.

Just knowledge and experience. I want people to call me out. But tell me why, at least.

When they tell me I'm full of shit, back it up.

Is that so fucking hard?

I don't hide behind anything other than 'MP67'.  Everybody knows this.

Give me both barrels if it makes you feel good. And I say 'you' in general, and not you specifically Primus, because we've talked enough that I will, and do, respect your thoughts.  

You diggin' me?

I started up a civie relationship, sort of a fuck-buddy thing, about six months ago with an old flame from high school whom I've been staying in touch with.

It just got too crazy after a while and now we don't see each other at all.

Stick with the hobby.  It might get a little crazy now ans then, but can't ever match a civie relationship for sheer angst.

Unless you look like Brad Pitt or hell, even Tiger, you are a paying customer and the providers are the vendors that offer a service.  Plain and simple it is a business transaction and nothing more.  You get to live out your fantasy by having sex with a beautiful provider.  Although I'm sure that some of the ladies will have client preferences and they might treat a regular with a little more attention, but if you money runs dry, there are no free rides!  The money is simply too good and that is why old fat guys, married men and the adult loner that just moved out from mom's can live out a fantasy as long as they have money!

It's all about the money, money, money, moneeey!

Thanks SG! That's certainly a different perspective, and something that should be discussed!

I'm waiting to hear some ladies views on this!

Have a feeling there might be a shit-storm when I get my drunken ass up here in a few hours from some ladies telling us we're full of shit!

Yeah, yeah.....

Just breaking yer nutz bud.

I ain't got time for Mr. Rogers moments.

I've had this discussion with several different providers who are also friends.  In fact, just yesterday was having lunch with an escort friend and we were talking about her recent dates (yea, weird, she may be gossiping about you with a pal -- but only on a pretty general level.  No girl I've ever known is unprofessional enough to reveal identities.  That would be totally uncool).

It seems to me that girls work for a variety of reasons.  Some just for the adventure.  A crazy thing to do that also gets them some extra cash.  Almost every girl I've known well also does it (although they don't necessarily say this) for the ego boost.  C'mon, these are girls.  They love dressing up and having guys want them.  It's a power trip for them too.  A couple people I've known have some self-image/ego problems, and work sort of salves that.  For the two women I know who are the very best at their job, including one who has been the choice of a certain hollywood action movie star whose name you will likely recognize, it really is about money.  They make damn good money.  They like the money, and they like the travel.  And if the clients are decent, then the work isn't bad at all.  

Why did you go into YOUR job?  Is it just about money?  Is it partly about money?  Is it a lot of different reasons?  Is it the same for everyone else with your type of job?  Sex work isn't so different, and providers are normal people.

Just read some of the other replies, and think maybe I missed the point of the original post, which is an assertion that providers might in a parallel world be happy to date a customer.

Well, duh!  Yea.  I mentioned in my previous comment about a (non U.S.-based) girl I know who had an A-list action movie star as a customer a couple times.  She was totally hubba hubba about him and excited.  But she is also a professional, and was working.  Work is not a date.  

Several other friends have told me about work dates where afterwards they are like 'I can't believe I get paid for this!'  But work is still work.  They'll be service-oriented and take the money, and part of the deal -- as opposed to a real date -- is that they won't call up all petulant in a week asking why you didn't call.  Work is not a date.

I have had 'real dates' with providers, and work is not a date.  I have had relationships that fling between work and not work and they get really complicated really fast.  Work is not a date.  Enjoying your job is one thing, but work is still work.

a sure thing.

No idea whatsoever that you were, despite your persona, so absolutely naive.

But hey...if you're happy....

mrFisher"I started up a civie relationship, sort of a fuck-buddy thing, about six months ago with an old flame from high school whom I've been staying in touch with.
Stick with the hobby.  It might get a little crazy now ans then, but can't ever match a civie relationship for sheer angst."

I disagree with that 100%.. Everyone is different and I respect your opinion.
I would take a great civvy relationship any day over a pay4play lifestyle, even if I was a billionaire
Granted I have only had a few civvy GFs in my life that were as good sexually as the best of providers ,but IMO there is much more than that to the total package.
My biggest problem lately,is finding a adequate civvy in my eyes, who is desperate enough to not look so closely at mine.
Out of all my civvy relationships in my life there is only one that I cut off communication completely,after I left her.  She is a extremely  experienced sexual nympho.. I don't talk to her because I am wary I might take her back, and sex was all she had to offer.
 

It's called civvie sex/relationships... I didn't think it was a secret Mikey

I met a lady on a 3 plus hour dinner date and things went fine, we had a great time. We stayed in touch and a month or two later we went out together to see a band, then another to have dinner, sometimes a movie or just get together. We enjoy each other and call often. We both have spent times with each others children. If she needs something I'm there and the reverse it true. Yes I know she is still out there making a living but that doesn't bother me (I'm out there making a living too but a little differently). When we are together we don't talk about that but of things that interests us both. Will it last, who knows, but for now it seems comfortable for both of us. I enjoy her company and to me she enjoys mine.

To answer the OP question, yes I think some ladies do enjoy some of the men they meet. Most; probably don't act on it (some have rules) others hope to make them regulars. But some find friends in this world we call the hobby. Because there are just a lot of nice "people" out there.

I agree with your thoughts... And I also seek out those women who ENJOY the sex, and whenever I see a provider multiple times, that's usually the common factor, she was very much enjoying our time together, rather than just working through the allotted time to collect her pay check. And I agree, many I like on a personal level, sharing our wit, wisdom and personalities,  not just purely physical... As you stated, it is all percentages, take 1000 providers and 1000 clients and you will find some percentage of various relationships amongst them...

if very many providers would give me the time of day.

I have had many off the clocks but not the kind like I had originally paid for..Doing  friendly things doesn't seem like off the clock to me, but only simple fun.Never had a let down with random acts of kindness, but I had a big let down with  Free Sex.

Taking her out to eat after session,when she mentions she is hungry.Sometimes they offer to pay. I imagine room service food does get old and "most" traveling ladies, don't like eating in a Hotel restaurant alone.

Giving her a ride to airport after session,to pick up bag airline lost,and later found. She was too impatient to wait for them to deliver. Maybe she just wanted to get out of the room.If you like to hear her talk about a million things ,start driving.

Taking her to Nail salon for pedicure.. I had mine done also, so it was cool, looking like we were a hip couple.

Taking her to a movie after our session because she was bored, and no appts for a few hours.

After session taking her to strip club,because she said she had never been to one.

Asking if she could drive my car since she just got her drivers license although she is in her 30s ..I know other hobbyists also let her drive, because she told me about their different cars. I was very nervous with her driving.


Only once did I have a Off the Clock Experience that involved sex, and she was a agency lady. I had just started hobbying and no civvy GF in sight. I wouldn't post this but for the fact her agency has been gone since last year. After the late night session we went out for a few hours on the town.We hit it off on the streets,like Laurel and Hardy.
Came back to her hotel and I spent the night.. She told me not to tell anyone or she would be fired.I kept my mouth shut..I told NO ONE. Before I left in the morning I had great sex and hope she did too.She gave me her NY address and said her room mates would be going out of town soon, and would I want to visit her for a week..Yes!!! Most Definitely!!! No doubts in my Mind!!. I gave her my phone number without thinking.She called me every night for a couple weeks just to talk,and she would tell me she was serious about me visiting next month. About three weeks after our appointment, she called me during the day and asked me who I told..I said No One..She said her agency knew about us, so I must have told someone.
I was at a loss of words..I called her that night and told her again I didn't tell anyone but she didn't believe me..A couple days later she called  and said she was sorry she acted so unprofessional with me, and went out , without her agency knowledge..I had a feeling  someone else was on the line and told her I didn't  know what she was  talking about.I emailed her later that day and she didn't respond.I think I had figured it out.Haven't heard from her since, and she never returned my email.
I reckon she was using her agency phone when she was calling me, and when they saw their bill and my number on it twenty times.. YIKES!!!.They didn't send her near my city anymore.Next time I called her agency to see a different lady, they wouldn't answer their phone.
I really liked her a lot . I felt like I was playing Salim and Anarkali .She was trapped and I felt helpless.

Hmmm ...   another way to look at it is ask yourself how often has the lady said to you (after you're "done"), "Hey, how about you and me just hang together for awhile."

getting ready to see me out the door or, if an outcall, get out the door herself.

Do I wish I had meet one or two under other circumstances.. OH Yeah!
but I didn't  therefor I can not see them in my persona life ever!

Just one of my golden rules....

and I've been invited to go off the clock with 3.

So, yeah, it happens and probably more than lots of guys think.

I don't kid myself that I'm such a great guy that wimmenz can't resist me. I just do my homework well.

Not A, B or C for me.

I hobby because it is a completely different relationship. A completely different interaction exists - from when I open the hotel room door and invite her in until I say goodbye and close the door, so to speak.

I say it that way because I suspect you might be wrong about your suggestion that a lot of the ladies might see a guy on a personal (non-paid) basis. Maybe most would not. It's a completely different relationship when a provider sees a hobbyist vs. when she sees a man outside the hobby. Not good or bad, better or worse, just different.

When my wife started to provide I ask many ladies (about 15 in all) that I knew well why they provide. All of which I knew fist and foremost as a friend or in my wifes case more than friends.  Note I only seen two of them professionally and all of them are friends of my wife or is my wife. All of them but three are independent Backpage ladies that do not screen so my sample is limited to what some refer to as low class ladies. (I do not feel this way, I do not see the difference other than the risk they put them self in.) My wife works at a Nevada brothel, anther works in an agency and the last is a part time UTR provider who finds her own clients friends of hers. The number one reason they tell me they provide is the money. Most of these ladies I know are single mothers and their day jobs do not cover their bills, so the hobby to get extra money. Two I know are providing to get through collage debt free. All but one is in it primarily for the money. About half of them say they love the sex all of them say the enjoy the time for the most part with their clients. Only three of them are sexually active outside of the hobby, one of which is my wife. Many say that when the see a man who is socially awkward they feel they really helping them out and take pride in this service they provide. A few said they like the rush it provides. But in all but one case it still was about the money in the end. Now the one exception is my wife. She does it to build her ego. Escorting is how she escaped a very bad home situation as a teen. She used it to get though collage. It was the first thing she felt she was good at and when her business she fell back to it. She does not need the money as we have no debt and I make in the range of the upper to mid six figures. While most ladies are not in it totally in it for the money it is the main reason they are in it and for more than a few it is the only reason they do this. At least thats what I gathered form my wifes friends. Can anyone tell me I am wrong?

Posted By: MP67

Posted to mrfisher's thread, and it got me wondering.

It's been told time and time again why some of the guys 'hobby'. Don't really care for the word, but I go with it.

It seems, for the most part, there are guys here that either (A) are not satisfied with their marital(SO) situation, (B) are older, divorced, whatever,  or (C) think they can't get a beautiful woman to have sex with them for whatever reason other than the money factor.

I call bullshit. It's apparent to me, there are many ladies here that dig certain guys because of their wit, their wisdom, the way they talk with the ladies, and they way they interact beyond these boards.

I will bet cash money, right here and now, that some of these ladies will see certain guys just because.

These ladies are not TOTALLY into the almighty buck. They have feelings, just like anyone else.

Not saying they're looking for a man here, or on any other board. Just sayin', they're smart enough to know, who's a good guy, and who's not.

And they know a damn good man when they see him.

Notice I didn't put me in there?! I'm a freak-show and I know it.  

So, I fully expect to be called out by many alias'. Knock your fucking selves out!

Not doing the E-Harmony deal. Just sayin'. I get the distinct impression that some of these ladies would infact see some of the guys on a personal basis.

Tell me I'm wrong?!

Just don't get it....

All I was referring to was that the ladies aren't always money-grubbing whores that have no feelings. I see how some react and swoon when certain guys get on and spew their shit.

Whether the guy is genuine or not, some of the ladies fall for this shit, regardless of how jaded they think they are in this profession they chose.

I said some, not all.

Whether they eventually meet, and do shit OTC we'll never know.

My point is, the ladies are human. They have needs and desires too, that money can't always compensate for.

Someone told me I was naive' on HERE. Maybe.

But then again, this person, as well as everyone else, only knows what I or anyone else says as to their experiences on these boards and with whom.

You getting my drift?!

Maybe the person that called me naive', and anyone else for that matter, should consider the fact that this isn't the end-all. There's other ways to contact each-other. They used TER as a stepping stone, so to speak.

It's easy to hide behind a persona. But when you actually meet someone, and click, for whatever reason, sharing something in common by being here? Might kinda make one think, and God forbid that should happen inside of this realm!

Take it for what it's worth. Mikey's drinking, and will more than likely forget all about this when I wake up tomorrow.

But some just might contemplate this rant. THAT'S what interests me!

Fucking peace!

How's this?!