I saw a few posts about it a while back. I thought that ANY discussion of money was kind of a major faux pas. If it's on the provider's site, don't you just follow instructions and put that shit in an unmarked envelope and not mention it upon arrival?

Personally I have no issue with hagglers. I have some fun with them. I do not get upset, I smile and then renegotiate.

We just had a lengthy discussion about this. Not really sure how giving a woman tons of cash but less than she puts on her website on a night she may have made nothing is "trashy" but you go on with your naïveté.  

I generally don't negotiate often with a 1 hr standard rate but when it comes to multihour dates and I become a repeat, it's in the girls' best interest to keep me as her repeat client by either grandfathering me at her previous rate or giving me a couple hunnit off her new rate. There are no shortage of HOs in this business and we can usually find another Ho who is cheaper, younger, and hotter. When a ho's phone stops ringing and her inquiries dry up after she realizes that her rate hikes or current rates are not bringing in good business, she no doubt will reconsider her "I don't negotiate" policy. LOL The golden pussy syndrome is an epidemic among many ho's and the only cure is a dose of reality. They learn their price point the hard way and often end up giving good deals. It's like any other fuckin bidness transaction, mon!

Note that that logic only applies to seeing women who you know ahead of time that once isn't enough. For a one night thing, who cares? Go ahead. If it's worth a couple of hours of emails back and forth to save a hundred bucks, and if you don't care if she flat out turns your offer down, give it try if you've got nothing better to do.

The providers can set and ask for a certain rate. We as hobbyist can also say yes or no to the fees.
Also it's true that in major cities like NYC, Las vegas and Chicago etc.  
The living cost are very over priced and more expensive, but two things come into play.
Most people don't make $300 and up a hour and rich people usually don't like to pay a lot money either, unless they get a return on their money.
We like fair prices and don't like feeling we are getting over charged, when spending our hard earn money.  So this is coming from a person who can afford the higher end fees.

Plenty of great girls for 300.  

Just keep it simple and fun!  
Why worry about haggling and price?  
So go with the providers, that fit your pockets

I am a professional in a service industry and people usually want to haggle.   In my younger days, in the few instances I gave in, I can say that 100% of the time the client turned out to be a pain in the ass.   Yes, I did my job professionally but I could not wait to get rid of the client, because not only was I making less money, I was dealing with more bullshit for less money.  

In negotiation, you're trying to come to a mutually agreeable solution. With haggling (and it's ugly compatriot, "lowballing"), you're just trying to get one over on the other party. As much as we try to establish rules of engagement, you're free to try things differently - just don't lose your shit if it doesn't go your way

the heaux will play along more power to all you hagglers. Ads saying "no negotiating rates" but actually negotiating with the hagglers is their prerogative, and your luck. I personally stop all communication if even the hint of negotiating is given. Some dudes then send an apology email and I still will see him. If I get a nasty email for ignoring, or again asking if I will accept his offer I simply add his email to my ignore list. Voila! I have not had to deal with a haggler in person, ever.  

Sorry my dear Heaux....but negotiating is a major component in this game "we" play.

at the outset I don't believe in haggling -   if the sticker price does not seem justified I move on - there is no shortage last I checked of qualified lovelies in a price range that makes sense....

How do you not see that what we do and with whom can come under that "hard earned money" slogan tricks love to bandy about. And some times it really is hard earned so, you tricks are not the only ones who work hard for their money, so do some hookers.

One haggler trick can be passed over for a non haggler trick who is cleaner, more respectful and less trouble. Although I have no issue if a trick starts to haggle, I just haggle back, it usually has the desired effect.

Let their names get around, the hagglers will gravitate towards them and leave the rest alone. Maybe there should be a list by district of who allows haggling. Make it easier for the tricks who play that way and since these ladies don't seem to mind, I would think it  is a good pairing.

Just own it Markus!

Why in the world would you think it would take a "couple of hours of emails back and forth" when sometimes it takes one email out, one email in?

You are right..all leads to lowering her price for the same services...call it what one will, as you said, the results are to close.

And even YOU haggle...you've publicly admitted that  

How many times have you negotiated with a p4p girl? I am going to go out on a limb here and guess the number is less than one, right?

I see no reason to do the same work for less money. Hagglers, more often than not, turn out to be way more work and a PITA. They rarely are decent clients, always looking to get more for less. I have no issue with this type of trick, I just don't want to deal with them and by coming back with a counter offer that reduces time, well, they soon get the hint and move on.  

It would seem that he would have to go through that exercise with quite a few to babble that nonsense and make it believable.  It's tools like WB that will watch a sporting event and comment that they can do it better than the pro athlete...yet they've never attempted anything of the sort.

Some guys swear by it, but 80% of what they say to us is bullshit, so I pay them no mind. What actually happens is they ask 10 girls, 9 don't respond and two blacklist him but then that one is feeling desperate enough/is unaware it's an LE trick and take it. A pattern or good practice that does not make. Yes it's a numbers game but you will quickly run out of girls to email if you take the unverifiable bragging here as a good first approach.  

But you've frequented these boards (and in particular the Newbie board) long enough to see how some of the gals like to throw out the "we don't negotiate" to intimidate the newer johns.

negotiate. Nothing to do with the "time" it takes (as they spend countless hours on the boards, lol) or the girl will give a half assed effort (how would they know?) but more about they don't want to get shot down.

If some guy wants to see me and get all that there is to offer and then asks to reduce the price, I immediately know what the session could end up like and it shuts down the need to be on my "A" game.  

You admit to negotiating and you realize it can be in your best interests as well to do so. Too many gals here will say they NEVER negotiate publically, but we know that is very likely just bullshit to keep the inquires down.

Is relative to each hooker and what they can and will deal with. For me, some guys are just not worth the money and I hope I never get into a situation where I have to see some jerk for the money and be at his mercy because I am desperate.  

"I won't negotiate" are comical in their defense of this.

I have negotiated on dozens and dozens of occasions and I have NEVER felt the girl wasn't going all out. Some sessions were better than others, but that is true in non negotiated sessions as well.

There's a shelf life for prostitutes and it's 10 years tops before a ho needs to put on a thicker layer of makeup and start to cater to the MILF or GILF clientele. She will then start managing her own reviews and blackmail a few morons so that no one posts the truth about how old and fat she really is. If ya wanna get together with me, pay my rate. I charge extra for your fetishes.  Might not be me who shows up though,  I have learned to pull bait and switches jus like how ho's do. Make sure you leave the donation as soon as you get in though.

It's just part of life's little games.

Only if she is reviewed...

Because it is in her best interest NOT to tank a session. Sort of caught between a rock and a hard place if reviews are involved.

And your use of a sweeping statement ALL have been there, is not true.  

The need for the money and possibly getting a repeat client out of a guy as well as just being "professional" and enjoying the time out of the house to boot.  

to draw you conclusions? Sounds like you have tons of experience.

And everything I've posted here is quite the truth.

If she is getting paid, the jokes on you

It's not bullshit. Guys that right off the bat ask for a discount have a very low success rate. Engaging in haggling is what most say they will never participate in, and it's true. There is a HUGE difference between a regular who has already given you thousands of dollars saying "can we do 5k instead of 6k?" When you know he just had to replace his engine, and a guy who emails and says "hey so I'll be a regular but I want to make sure it's worth it first, can I get $100 off?" THAT is the bullshit. Not girls letting you know how repulsive they find that kind of email.  

Get off your high "I know how every hooker runs her business" horse before you get a nose bleed.

I can still see a 20 year old prostitute when I'm 80. An 80 year old ho can't. That's why hoes look for sugar daddies otherwise they can't do shit after they retire. No degree or some worthless liberal arts degree lol. No job skills. Maybe if they spent all their hooking money selling pussy on schooling instead of shoes things would be different.

Why should they?  No upside in doing so.

It's just not how I play the game. I don't want to be with anyone that I can not be on my "A" game with.  

I have a really good idea how YOU run this gig.  It's a rather finite set of options.

MANY MANY MANY girls here claim to NEVER negotiate under ANY circumstances. lol. They don't differentiate the way you do between "haggling" and "negotiating" publically, but privately, something quite different occurs. You really don't know this?  

Put him on "ignore." That will help the softer side of you deal with mega dicks like the Doctor more easily.

I am not one of them and what I have shared on here is as much as you know. You do not know how I operate.  

How old are you, 16? You have been at this a few months or is it this incarnation of an old handle (NEG maybe)?

Because I come on here for entertainment and the shit he says is seriously funny!  
You are pretty comical too by the way. Thank you  

You know your place. Good boy. One less idiot john I need to set straight.

Whether they really cut that deal is irrelevant? I disagree. You are perfectly welcome to waste your time mass emailing and getting yourself on blacklists (and I mean that honestly, go for it if you want. No skin off my nose), but that is not an effective way of getting a date. It's not that other guys are scared of rejection, they would just rather have their possibly one day a month to play go as smoothly as possible. Maybe you enjoy emailing multiple girls and taking whichever bites, but most guys don't feel the need to get one over on someone to have a good time and have a specific person in mind when they get the itch to email. Thank god, and not for the money, that most people really do just want to have an old fashioned good time.  

Wtf are you talking about with "mass emailing?" I have NEVER sent out a "mass email" in this biz as there is never any need. Is that the way you REALLY think it goes down?  

Like I said you boys really do crack me up. I am a provider, escort, who goes by the alias ChiTownHeaux.

Get back to me when you know what "sticker" and "negotiating" means.  

Because based on your flip flopping and frequently contradictory posts, I would have to say it's really just about disagreeing with the ladies, rather than the greater good nonsense you think we'll all buy.

When you decide to try and engage here...better up your game.

could you possibly be any more obtuse? lol

it is very simple -   but you completely failed to understand it -

He's pretty sure the word 'Heaux' is GAY.  

Again...pretending that haggling isn't negotiating is pure folly.  And falls into the dickering bucket.

Lots of ugly attitude here.

last dollar off on the already $2 item at the flea market.
When purchasing houses and automobiles, one negotiates, one does NOT haggle.
With the mostly $300 per hour and up rates, escorts are more like luxury items (yes, please excuse the inappropriateness of comparing women to things, but I do think this helps make the point).
I dare say, how many ladies here pay $300 per hour for ANY service in their life?  And if they had negotiated this service (perhaps a spa treatment of the Gods) from a $400 rate, would that be considered "haggling"?