You comment on my answer to your question, but you never answer my question. What part is justified,in your mind?
Perhaps this may be the wrong place to pose this rant and, if so, my apologies.
Dillema:
I call provider. Have VERY pleasant chat. Very much looking forward to it. Discuss possibles as to time/place. Agree on same. This, mind you is three days prior to proposed date. Call day before (after being promised details to be forthcoming...never do). Leave message requesting call back to confirm,...nothing. More nothing. As a matter of fact, a thunderous silence ensues. Even call for some kind of acknowledgement an hour before proposed appointment (actually, 20 minutes from NOW.) More nothing.
Question:
Is THIS the 'class' and sophistication that is so often advertised? I'm curious as to where all that goes when a simple confirmation call is the only courtesy needed.
Am I so old fashioned that that is now asking too much? All I can think is (this has happened now with two - different providers-planned activities) that I am on some sort of 'blacklist' with no justification I can think of. The people I have spent time with did not seem to have any complaints at all. Anything I can do about this or is it just that I expect too much from people who say they have my best interests in mind ?
I had this happen to me just a few days ago. I found it very upsetting as I had these plans made in advance (3 days). I remembered post on how providers get pissed for no shows - no calls. Well later the day of the appointment she calls. Explained what happen and was very sorry. Said I could come right over or reschedule and she would make it up to me. Re scheduled for next day. Sometimes we assume the worst of someone but then we find out (sometimes) there was an unforeseeable problem even we could have.
It's NOT YOU...it maybe You...but I doubt it. I complain of this often on a local board in FL except vice versa. I'm the provider...bitchin about no call/no shows. Unfortunately it's part of the business for some reason. I think because everyone is so "descrete" and often just a username on a website...people just don't care. It's not like you know Mr. X who works in department y at your company stood you up on a lunch date. It's a nameless person with no pride...or like you said class. I'm sorry this happened to you. Guys, Gals everywhere. Let's try to be more considerate of others in the hobby. Ladies, we need to show appreciation for the people that allow you to live the way you live. And men, you need to show respect and appreciation for the women who put that big ass smile on ur face.
We all need to show one another here the same respect that you show people you deal with on an everyday basis. RETURN CALLS! Be where ur suppose to be...at the time you're suppose to be there. It's common courtesy.
Thanks for listening...
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Hey Jamie,
How cum no website?
I agree with you that A LOT of providers who advertise one thing, go agains the grain and deliver just the opposite. My advice...don't waste your time seeing her again. I would give the same advice to a provider who had a client treat her this way.
There are far too many GREAT providers and clients to waste your time and money on people who just don't act in an appropriate manner.
Something may have happened, she could have flaked out, or got nervous by something you said which was inappropriate.
Who knows. Move on to another.
You are involved in a hobby that is full of flakes on both sides. It sucks when it happens but it will happen.
You don't have any reviews and you didn't mention in your little mini rant if you are using the research tools available here on TER or not. Honestly, the flake rate is much lower with well reviewed professional providers here on the boards.
I have to laugh when people tell you to "get over it" but it was expected. I am over it. Was about 8.5 minutes after I wrote the first post. I do appreciate the wise input and, yes she has a number of nice reviews (the main impetus for pursuing it in the first place). To be blantantly honest, have never been that keen on 90% of the 'juicy details" and in the gazillion reviews I've read, the 'open to the peasants' material seemed to give me the gist of it (has certainly worked well in the past). Saw another lovely lady. Had a nice time. No biggie (except on the greater "social" front. Would be nice if people were a bit more considerate.). Thanks to all for the words of wisdom. I will take the 'flake' factor into greater consideration in future.
Here's my question for you. Your post says you've seen other ladies using info only available for "free". Why are you so cheap as to not post any reviews? You apparently want others to pay and then you try and get some benefit.
The flake rate may be lower on TER but they're still out there even among well reviewed providers.
2 examples are Wynter Stark & Peach Quiver in Dallas.
...and on both sides of the hobby.
I've actually had better luck on the road lately with Craig's List, Back Pages, Eros and City Vibe than I have with a simple search of TER ladies. This is due in part to my last minute urges and not planning ahead. Still, as valuable as TER is as a resource it's not the only tool available.
You will get some responses from the locals who may have insight as to who you may be talking about.
You may not have to deal with the Whiteknights that are present here.
I would also suggest you make your post a day or two after being NCNS in the event there is a legit reason for her not to follow up. Give her a chance to respond, and apologize.
Think outside the box on this one. If she was planning on seeing you, she would have acknowledged the appointment.
I had a similar problem when I was a newbie and it was partially because she was not a well-reviewed lady (minimum 6 reviews by established reviewers). I have learned from this and you will too.
You need a VIP membership to read (not just look at the pics) the juicy details. Some reviews will acknowledge a "flaky" disposition.
Here's my thoughts. She takes the call and engages in some "get to know you" banter. She agrees to a time, which in her mind isn't in concrete. Upon doing her screening, she doesn't find what she's looking for. At that point, there's not going to be an appointment, and the easiest way to convey that message is to banish you to the wall of silence.
Assuming that I'm correct, and I've known providers to behave that way, it's not the greatest way of conducting a business. It does happen, and most of us have just gotten used to it. I rarely have it happen anymore, but as a newbie, it was pretty common.
Your take on this is probably spot on. I agree her people skills could use a lot of improvement, but unfortunately her behavior is not all that uncommon.
I see 4 possibilities here:
1. There's something wrong with her (e.g., bad manners, total flake, crazy);
2. Something happened to her (e.g., family emergency);
3. LE caught her; or
4. She learned something about you that precludes her from talking to you again (e.g., became convinced u r LE, saw u on a blacklist, etc.)
In any event, you need to move on to someone else.
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...the distinction between high-class (note: I did NOT say "high-end"), quality PROVIDERS who take pride in their "work" and no-class WHORES who only think about the bottom line. TER is by no means perfect, so don't let a number of "positive reviews" be the measure by which the two are separated. This site is only a tool.
Your rant is fine, but don't ever forget: You want to trade money for sex. Those that want this are usually cast in a bad light by our society. It's not entirely fair, but some of it is justified. And those who accept money for sex are usually cast in an even worse light by our society. Again, this is perhaps more unfair. But then again, some of this is justified, too. It IS the nature of the "beast". You shouldn't let something like this "surprise you". And "YES" you were surprised! Hence your post.
but "some of it is justified" I'm not trying to pick a fight, but what part of it do you feel is justified? Just curious.
Some of the guys who pay money for sex are scumbags. Do you go around telling all your friends about your hobby? Why not? Because you don't want people thinking that YOU'RE a scumbag.
Almost all my friends know about my hobbying, and all of them know I'm a scumbag.I like women at least twenty years my junior and I make no secret about it. Most of friends, especially the married ones, are jealous about my hobbying.
Do you feel guilt over your hobbying? I feel no guilt whatsoever.I am perfectly secure in who and what I am. Are you???
I'm very secure in who I am and what I do. But "NO" I tell know one about my hobby. I suspect most hobbyists do not go around "spreading" their secrets. I won't speak for them, but this suspicion is based on poll results that I've seen, as well as conversations I've had with many providers.
most don't, but I do. I answered your question, you did not answer mine.
You comment on my answer to your question, but you never answer my question. What part is justified,in your mind?
Commented on AND ANSWERED! Perhaps, you're just too stupid to realize it? Or such a prick that you want an actual percentage? Or perhaps just a liar? I recall, "not trying to pick a fight" in your post. In any case, re-read my first reply. I don't consider myself a scumbag or a criminal, but the eyes of the law, technically I'm a criminal. And the majority of this nation's citizens would frown upon my hobby, and many would consider me a scumbag. But I'll repeat that I'm very secure in who I am and what I do. However, there are many hobbyists out there who give the good ones a black eye. Are you seeing the "answer" now? Or are you just too obtuse?
Here's your first reply.
"Some of the guys who pay money for sex are scumbags. Do you go around telling all your friends about your hobby? Why not? Because you don't want people thinking that YOU'RE a scumbag."
If you think that was an answer to MY question than you are stupider than I thought. My question was "why do you consider some of the criticism justified?" You told me how you thnk others think, and you told me how YOU thought I think(incorrectly I might add), but you didn't say shit about how you thought.
Don't try to drag me into a name calling contest, just because you didn't answer the question. If you really want to get into a pissing contest try the P&R board, it's unmoderated and we can call each other all the names we want, but I won't do it over here in "polite company"
Pal, if you're unable to discern the difference between what I wrote in my first reply and my previous one then I pity you. You obviously have to have everything spelled out for you! Ooops! I apologize. You obviously spelled your latest reply on your own. Nice job. Only two errors. I can't drag you into anything, you've been leading the way!
I am done with this conversation.
Can't the two of you play nice?
So I've decided to quit playing, with who ever is hiding behind the alias "SaucyJack" at least.
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