I have never gotten ripped off once in 2 years.  I never ask for the money up front.  Maybe I'm lucky, but I like to not even think about that when both are just getting to know each other.  
Watch, tomorrow I'll get ripped off LOL  

IMHO I think a provider who either asks you to place an envelope on the dresser/armoire or waits until the end of the session to discuss those things shows a lot of CLASS!

In California I tend to ask up front, In Las Vegas I wait until the end...go figure. :0)

my .02 cents

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You mean you have never had a client try to go through with a session without paying only to do that pat-down "I left my money in the car I'll be right back" game?   It will happen eventually, unfortunately.  

Why is it classy to ask for the money afterwards?  I am missing something here.  ???

Nope, never.  Maybe I'm scary muhahahahaha.  

Some have almost forgotten to pay me, but they always seem to catch it before I have to mention anything.  Talking money to me feels tacky.  Just me though, not asking to be flamed for my feelings LOL  

Maybe I'm lucky, who knows.



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If this IS a business as you put it, then why isn't it done like other businesses, where the exchange of funds is done when the customer either has the product, or is satisfied that the product he or she is paying for will be delivered as advertised. Also when the product or service is not what a customer expected, or is someway flawed, then there is some kind of action that can be taken to have some or all of the money refunded.

Too many times we as customers get ripped off and there is no recourse.

I cannot speak for everyone who posts here, but if I receive the service I expected then I will gladly pay the agreed amount and more. When the service advertised is not what is provided, then I feel cheated and angry.

I realize that there are many wonderful providers out there who want only to provide a good service to their customers, but there is also alot of rotten apples in the barrel and they tend to outnumber the good ones. I also realize that there is a flip side to that coin, as there are some rotten apples on this side of the fence also. However we are the customers, and in any business, if you want to keep your good, loyal and paying customers, then treating them with respect, and honesty is always the best policy.

"A ladies comfort zone should be considered". I wholeheartedly agree and I try my best to do that each and everytime. The customer's comfort zone, and the fact that he is a paying customer should not be forgotten either.

Just my 2 cents.

What about PAYPAL or some other form of cc pymt in advance to PROVIDERS with solid reputation & reviews?

I dont always pay up front, but I don't get offended if someone asks me. I would prefer they dont have to ask though, so with someone new I usually proffer the cash. With someone I have seen several times and have a relationship of sorts, I typically leave something afterward.

And I have never tried to skip without paying, so I generally have pretty good credit. Did I mention I have an honest face?

I follow a pretty strict set of policies and rules to prevent myself from getting ripped-off.

http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=11&Page=5&Messageid=823

And I don't get ripped-off, but not paying up-front isn't one of those rules. It's within the ability of the gentleman to know whether he's going to be ripped-off, before he walks into the agreement. The lady doesn't have that same ability.

This business is unique in so many respects that mandate a pay, before play, system.

1) There is typically no manager to appeal to if you don't like the service.

2) It's feeling-based and entirely subjective, whether the service was adequate.

3) In a one-on-one confrontation, the guy has a greater potential to win through intimidation.

4) Gentlemen are kind and respectful and giving when they're trying to get laid, by instinct. They are not so much, right after they've gotten laid.

5) Many men who are attracted to this activity are not at all gentlemen. (unfortunately)

I respect the ladies who are confident enough to accept payment at the end, but I'll bet real money that they follow some serious screening procedures as well.

Because once the man has gotten what he wants, a lot won't pay and then its not a business, its a give-away.   Also, I am able to know what to give the client based on what he paid me since I don't want to discuss money once he is in my door.

I have had several guys try to get service and pay later. They ignored my instructions to put the money on the table.  When asked for it, they "left the money in the car" but they tried to convince me that they were good for it.  I refused to service before being paid and they never did bring the money to me...they were lying.  I never give service prior to being paid.
Otherwise I would be robbed blind.  The men who see me have the benefit of reading my reviews so I am not an unknown quanitity but they are to me.  

And Talisa said it better.

Not flaming you at all.  How long have you been in the business?

Over two years

As I mentioned in my post on 7/26, there are rotten apples on this side of the fence also, but we shouldn't all be held accounatble, nor do I hold all providers accountable for my bad experiences.

If I go to meet a provider and find that it is not the perosn in the pictures or she has a different attitude or is strung out on God knows what, then I give her my apologies, a tip for her time and I leave.

The same should count the other way. If a hobbyist shows up and is not willing to play by the rules, then ask him to leave. I realize that in some cases this may be difficult and the guy my get aggressive, but some providers are not exactly petite little angels either.

From my point of view, and being a new member of this site, I have read about the customer getting ripped off. It happens often enough for an entire section of this site to be devoted to it. It seems to me, and I could be worng, that customers get shafted (pardon the pun) more than providers do.

I said it in my last post. If a business wants to retain it's loyal, honest, paying customers, then they should be treated with the respect they deserve. Common sense and judgement should be used. If a customer arrives at your place of business, is polite, well mannered, clean, then the cold, calculating attitude of the provider can be dispensed with.

I have been ripped off in the past and I know some providers have been also. I wish it was a perfect world, but its not.
We are the customers and like it or hate it, the customer is always right or at least he should be treated like he thinks he is always right.

I think that makes 4 cents.

How can either of you know the answer to that question for sure? For the sake of discusion you always get payment up front and 10% of your clients leave tips.  How do you know that if you waited until the end of the session to get paid that 20% of your clients would not leave tips.

I do not know how either of you can answer that question unless you have done a rather extensive test where you tried it both ways.

I am aware that people tip both ways.  The original question was whether more people tip if they pay at the end as opposed to the beginning or do exactly the same number tip whenever they pay?

My secondary question was how you know which way results in more tips unless you conducted a pretty extensive test doing it both ways?

If this is just your belief or assumption then just say so.  If you have some other reason for believing that it is the same no matter when somebody pays please state it.

My answer to the first question might have been I think this or that but I don't really know.

Well I thought I might add my 2 cents......I tend to hint for the money up front, usually nothing needs to be said being that most leave it on the table or somewhere in plain view.  Sometimes I do however get caught up in the moment and don't recieve the donation till after the session.

But what surprises me the most is that a majority of my clients that leave the money out in plain site prior to the session leave more than my usual rate.  Thus tipping before hand!  This is always a nice surprise for me, I sometimes wonder if they give extra in hopes to recieve the ultimate services.  I give the client a great time not because he tips me but because I enjoy him.

If a client is dirty or a turn-off then his tipping will not get him far, a shower works better for that! LOL