Whether you are writing a provider's first review or browsing for a p4p date, how do you distinguish between "Average", "Curvy", and "A few extra pounds"? In many cases they seem interchangeable.
I met a provider recently who's pictures made her look athletic, but she was a bit more...I had a good time, so want to leave a positive review, but don't want to be one of those guys.
Is any one of those descriptors a deal breaker for you more than the other?
But if some of these ladies don't have somewhat up to date pics ... That's a major red flag! Sometimes these ladies use way dated pics & once you see them in person not a deal breaker pers say... But I've noticed a few times that the lack of honesty at times leads to the quality of session put forth by them that leads to the disappointment in the long run.
To me IMHO those descriptions are interchangeable YMMV but all somewhat in the same neighborhood. I like an athletic, muscular, average, curvy or "few extra pounds" but just be upfront about it. Beauty comes in all forms, if the service you are paying for is as advertised, equal effort is put forth,they are fair decent personally & do your homework in advance shouldn't be a deal breaker... But again thats just one man's opinion!
IMO state YOUR experience in the review, put emphasis on having a good time & why. Then let others gage their opinions based off that. Thats all you can do & thats what I look for when doing my honest homework on a provider.
Posted By: RockOn72
I've noticed a few times that the lack of honesty at times leads to the quality of session put forth by them that leads to the disappointment in the long run.
Unfulfilled expectations can totally ruin a session. If you are expecting Olive Oyl and Blondie or Betty Boop shows up, that might seem like a good thing EXCEPT to the guy who was expecting Olive! And it isn't just body type or general appearance.
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All of her photos show long, flowing black hair and she shows up with orange spiked Mohawk hair. Mood killer. Give us some notice or a warning! Please!!! ("I recently had my hair restyled but I do not yet have new photos. My hair is now much shorter and a different color.")
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Most of us know that photos often photoshop tattoos away for privacy purposes and we understand that. Be sure to mention that in your ads. "I have one small tattoo on my ankle, airbrushed out of my photos." is a lot different than "I am totally covered in multicolored tattoos, skillfully airbrushed away by my photographer." Most of us don't mind tattoos, but if someone is expecting a soft scoop of plain vanilla, coffee or chocolate ice cream (food analogies, again!) and he gets a banana split or "kitchen sink" (any New Yorkers here?) with all the fixings, it is disruptive to the EXPECTATION.
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"Outfits" was a recent topic. He spends a week fantasizing and expecting someone in an "I Dream of Genie" outfit and enters to find blue jeans and a sweatshirt. Kaput! Off to a bad start. "I'm sorry, the airline lost my luggage so I can't fulfill your outfit request for our appointment tomorrow." solves the problem before it comes up.
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I think that the more honest and accurate you can be about what to expect BCD, the better things will be for both parties.
Posted By: John_Laroche
Whether you are writing a provider's first review or browsing for a p4p date, how do you distinguish between "Average", "Curvy", and "A few extra pounds"?
Who did you see? Coconut or Hazelnut or ??
and I am also not a fan of either super dark or super pale women. I do like Cocoa and I do like Vanilla, and I also seem to like just about everything in between, just like I seem to like women of all colors and flavors. lol
is the one that I think is most open to interpretation. To some people, “athletic” might mean a sleek figure with some muscle, ala a fitness model. Others might picture an Amazon type. Or something in between.
To me, “athletic” means someone who keeps herself fit with some kind of regular exercise. It encompasses a wide range of body types, from slender to curvy to muscular. But I wouldn’t expect to see a paunch or rolls of fat on an athletic woman.
I prefer providers who are at least average but especially appreciate those who are fit and take care of their bodies. If a description says “a few extra pounds”, I’ll check the pics and reviews to see what that means, as some people might consider a woman with a sturdy build to have a few extra pounds.
What's the fucking difference between thin, slender, and skinny?
Posted By: Steve_Trevor
Re: Athletic
is the one that I think is most open to interpretation. To some people, “athletic” might mean a sleek figure with some muscle, ala a fitness model. Others might picture an Amazon type. Or something in between.
Some people think of, rather do NOT even want to think of, the Bulgarian Women's Weightlifting Team, but that's sometimes what you get! Some people think of a lithe gymnast but get a women's boxing team member. Some tennis players have one slender arm and one Popeye giant muscular arm.
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"Athletic" is ridiculous ...
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AND THAT'S WHY THE "MATCH THE IMAGE" METHOD IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN AMBIGUOUS ADJECTIVES!
those were all options in TER. If so, yes I agree, not much difference there.
And yes, an accurate picture is worth 1000 words. Or even one word!
Difference you ask? Simple, cup size!
However implants is a completely different story.
Skinny to me equals A to B cup.
Thin or slender is B to C cup.
Athletic is C cup and beyond.
Truth be told I like to see my own posts, so non of this applies.
Many factors to play: stress, hormones, womanhood, menstrual, medication, eating disorder, birth control, Covid, Life
the list goes on & on
The fact is most women have clothes to accommodate all these factors of being a woman. In my closet I have clothes that range form 10-15lbs up, or down depending upon the season...Winter usually accounts for women gaining 5-10lbs
Athletic photos vs real life maybe curvy, or overweight depending upon your personal view. Everyone is different. We all do not have the same opinions, or define things the same. Unfortunately, you can hurt the providers score & damage her business when writing fantasy reviews.
Just be honest. I am a few extra pounds right now, but that's life. I have been taking new photos to show my current situation, but I am not embarrassed because it is beautiful when a woman wears confidence. I update my photos always, but also rotate them to show my current situation. I am not in training at the moment, but when I am new photo shoot.
You are hardly what anyone would describe as svelte, but your scores for appearance don't seem to suffer because of it.
Lets be honest, "some" guys prefer a gal with a little (or a lot) of meat on her bones, and those women should advertise accordingly so as to avoid guys like me who prefer a size 0-2, besides it's not, or at least it's not supposed to be about the providers score, or her business when a guy writes a review, it's supposed to be an honest recollection of his experience, if the "truth hurts" so be it. Reviews are written by clients for clients, it's just a happy coincidence that good providers receive a benefit from good reviews and bad providers don't.
If you show up to a session 30 pounds heavier than your pics I would hope the guy would say so in his review, but of course I know better, you have so much blackmail information on your johns that I bet they clear every word they write about you before posting a review.
So rather than trying to pick/order the options I'll just comment in general. I wonder if tossing all that out and just dealing with the pics would be best. For that we should just use: Accurate Pictures, Representative Pictures, Pictures of a different person (does it really matter if that are the person 20 years and 40 lbs in the past or some model lifted from the web?).
The the other big one to add: Given what you know now about the provider, would you have chosen to make the appointment? Yes/No.
At the end of the day that is pretty much what everyone wants to know. Might just use this metric as the system scoring numeric. Scale it one to ten or as a percentage of responses to get a ranking number for searches and bragging rights.
The all the text in the General and Details expands on what you want to say for others.
Case 1: You like the pics and the Profile says, "Accurate Pictures", you're good to go.
Case 2: You like the pics but the Profile says anything OTHER than Accurate. "I don't care if she's prettier, uglier, fatter, thinner, ... I only want to see Accurate Pics." and you're good NOT to go.
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What about the others cases where you like her facial appearance or hair or tattoos, and her photos appear to be Slender but you would be perfectly happy to see her even if she is Average, Athletic, or Curvy? The Profile says the "slender" photos are too different from who showed up by a few inches or a few pounds so the Reviewer said, "Not her!" You've cut yourself off from a potentially good thing.
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Suppose the photos are of Olive Oyl but you like the services offered or quality of service or her availability ... whatever ... but she is really a Betty Boop (see my other post in this thread with a pic of Olive Oyl, Blondie, and Betty Boop). The Profile says, "Not her; Photos of Another Person." Now you're missing out on someone even more to your liking, Betty Boop, boop-boop-dee-doop! But if the Profile painted a different WORD picture ("Curvy" Betty vs "Skinny" Olive) you might actually be at least as or more interested to find out about her and make a date.
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And that's also why I think that a set of standard silhouettes or standard images (used in the fashion / garment industry, psychology studies, etc.) are even better than ambiguous adjectives. Is Betty Boop Curvy or A Few Extra Pounds or Athletic ... and the same such rating to everyone? No! The Reviewer simply checks the box that he thinks is closest to the hostess he met: "Silhouette #3" or "Standard Form #3". There may be minor disagreements, but a #3 will vary between #2-#4 and not swing to a #8.
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*** Industry Standard Body Image pics instead of adjectives!
*** Hair color chart instead of bleached, blonde, limited word choices ... OTHER
*** Color pallet (coconut to espresso) for Complexion instead of "ethnicity" (ugh)!
(Use "country of origin" or "ancestry" or "cultural background" to distinguish between a 3rd generation Brazilian - American who can't speak Portuguese and a fresh off the boat Brazilian from Brazil. (Korean - American / Korean / Korea; Chinese - American / Chinese / China; Hungarian - American / Hungarian / Hungary; Italian - American / Italian / Italy; etc.)
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Vote for adoption of impposter's suggested changes to the Profile - Review system! (I am impposter and I approved this message.)
Posted By: 36363jensen
I wonder if tossing all that out and just dealing with the pics would be best. For that we should just use: Accurate Pictures, Representative Pictures, Pictures of a different person ...
I DID NOT make you write all of this? LOL
He'll usually use three hundred anyhow.
He is a firm believer in complicated answers to simple questions. lol
Yep and this entire discussion is driven but the overly complicated/attempted detail review options. Probably why he wants add additional interpretive and confusion to the review.
Sorry, but this is too broad. In kgirl world, for example, 95% of the pics are straight up fake or so removed from reality, both body and face, that simple binary questions don't convey much information if any.
If I already know the pic is fake, I want to know as much information about her real size, face, body type and so on. Would you still see her given you saw her real appearance is just way too broad of a question to be asked and it doesn't convey any info.
As much as options are limited, curvy VS athletic VS slender gives you at least differentiation and removes some possibilities provided the reviewer is honest.
If I see 'slender' or 'average' body type, I don't expect an Amazon or a Whale. That's already more information than "would you still see her given what you know", because some like big women and woulf say yes, while for others its a complete deal breaker.
When seeing Asian providers I agree about "slender" or average" but when seeing White, Black or Brown girls I have seen women listed as "average" who were fucking beasts. The same goes for "Athletic" personally when I think of athletic where it comes to a woman I think of a lithe dancers body or perhaps a toned fitness model, I do NOT think East German weight lifter or Romanian Shot putter, but others seem to disagree. I think "athletic" is the most infuriating descriptor of them all.
Back to the OP, I have NEVER booked with a woman who is listed as a "few extra pounds" nor do I ever expect to. Big women deserve love and money too, just not from me. lol
My point was more so that if someone puts 'athletic' or extra pounds, you know she probably isnt slender. Otherwise they'd pick that option.
So those descriptions do have value. That's all I'm saying. I agree with you in general.
You just have to know how to read between the lines. An "average" white woman is going to be on average three or four dress sizes bigger than an Asian woman who is also described as "average"
Back to athletic, every once in a while I find a provider listed as athletic who actually does have that "dancers body" that I look for, but I will confess it's rare.
I am of a firm opinion if there's a need to read between the lines of reviews, the system needs to be changed as to you don't have to read between the lines.
Besides, I don't get the stark difference between grade descriptions ("only if you're drunk" etc) and the careful, don't-let-anyone-get-offended euphemisms of "curvy" and "few extra pounds".
I am a fan of being honest and direct.
Agree that athletic is very problematic.
In terms of the OP questions, both Average and A Few Extra Pounds both put me off. The image I get from both is an out of shape, flabby/saggy/squishy body that probably is "unbalanced" in the weigh distribution -- a pot belly or fat ass and/or thighs.
Curvy makes me think Rubenesque - a nice well distributed layer of fat on the body.
So of the three Curvy produces the best image in my opinion and certainly has a section of the demand that is interested in them (just not me).
Few extra pounds = Morbidly obese
Curvy = FAT
Average = FAT
Athletic, usually = FAT.
"Athletic" to describe a girl with visible muscle tone, ripped abs, etc., but I quickly learned that many mongers view "athletic" exactly as you describe it . . . . FAT, so I switched to "slender". I still like girls that work out, so I will usually mention muscularity if they have it, but its still going to be within the "slender" profile tab.
*** Industry Standard Body Image pics instead of adjectives! ***
"Average" women these days are rather big. A slender woman is becoming somewhat rare.
At least half are slender, or even "skinny." The average Kgirl is 5-5 and 110 pounds. Spinners are 5-2 and 100 pounds. I saw one last week that was 4-11 and 92 pounds, slender and all lean muscle. Not a lot of room at those weights for any chunkiness.
I think a BIG, or at least a "tall" K-Girl is 5'5" and 110 lbs. lol
I think the average K-girl is more like 5'3" and maybe 100-110 lbs with a lot of spinners 5' and under 100 lbs.
Average White/Black or Brown women are a LOT bigger than the "average" K-Girl, that is for sure.
I honestly can't remember the last K-girl that I saw that was over 120 lbs.
And yes, before planet fat and stupid chimes in, of course there are K-Girls much taller than 5'5" but we are talking averages here.
Are Bud at 6-1 (no longer active) and Quinn at 6-0 (still works Vegas every few months). Of course, when you get them horizontal, the height difference sometimes disappears, depending on whether they have long or short legs compared to their body.
All of what you are asking for would be expected to be provided in the General and Details text of the review. Putting a bunch of labels that are not even interpreted the same (and probably never could be by people with slightly different tastes/preferences/personalities).
The problem is that some will also see a woman you consider "big" as small or average -- I suspect some might even oddly call one slender based on their tastes.
Last, I didn't say "see her again" nor did I say only use the visual information from the visit. What I SAID was given what you now knew (factually and not surmised from the ad/other reviews) would you have seen her in the first place. That is, if you could have been fully informed would you have been interested? The main point here is that a lot of mongers seem to have zero interest in repeats so they would always be answering No to such a questions so providing no value to anyone.
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Labels exist because despite undoubtedly true statement that everyone has different tastes and viewpoints, there exists an average use case scenario. There is a fairly accepted standard as to what is considered fat, average, bbw and so on.
I kinda like spicy food, average spiciness. My Indian buddy thinks food I like is not spicy at all. So does my Mexican buddy. My American white buddy cant stand anything even remotely spicy, he becomes red as a tomato.
And yet when catering brings us food into office, they mark anything spicy as spicy. They put a label on it even though different people have different definitions of spicy.
I call a fat girl fat, just like I call spade a spade. Sure, I'll call her chubby/chunky and not fat, but is there really a difference? Unfortunately ter does not have such option so I put curvy. To me, slender = thinner than average, average=average, curvy=fatter than average. Athletic is a bad term, it can mean both a linebacker, Amazon body or a fat nose tackle body. Or even a extremely toned, thin field and track body. But in this case I'd just use slender.
I don't really get why imagery produced by these labels gives you problems. Like you said, you can mention any details in review body.
Oh and extra pounds = fat/chunky/chubby
Aint nothing wrong with fat girls too. A lot of them are great in bed.
In all seriousness though, a lot of guys actually prefer the bigger girls, just like many guys prefer older women, which leads me to wonder, if you are older or fatter "why lie about it?" It only disappoints the guys who prefer younger and/or thinner while steering guys who are into older/bigger women towards the competition who advertises honestly.
I'm sure you've heard the phrase, the bigger the cushion the better the push'n
And I'm glad those guys feel that was as they are the market for the the women I don't really want to see but still need some income, fun and love as well.
