For any population of people the hobby is fairly constant - about 4-9% of people work as providers at some point and 40-80% of men will be clients at some point.  Within any population it remains very constant year to year, decade to decade, and even century to century.  When Law Enforcement drives activity out of one place it pops up in another - kind of like a waterbed.  The very nice law enforcement term for this is 'Displacement'.  It is never reduced, just moved.

I am looking for examples of this for an upcoming article.  If you know of an example of activity pushed out of one neighborhood and in to another can you please post it here.  Any related web articles would also be very much appreciated.

Thanks all,

your statistics for providers and clients?

Those numbers seem very general and very disparate.  40 - 80 percent is a pretty big swath for a statistical pattern.

Just curious where they came from.

You lost me at the waterbed simile.  But it all sounds like proven scientific fact, by George.

and as Terry mentioned a range as wide 40-80% really has no statistical relevance.

But I'm not really interested in sharing details with someone who quotes "statistics" with a 100% margin of error. Kinda makes me wonder what kind of a witch hunt you have in mind....

If this poster were really a writer (esp. a journalist) he'd know better than to make such statements without citing sources!

Yeah that displacement thing could be compared to a waterbed.

I would compare it to what happens when one community gets tough on illegals,they just all seem to move to the next town that has poor immigration enforcement...lol

The bulk of the business that occurs on this board happens in hotel rooms or in communities where noone knows.

It would impossible to have a community devalued or declined when noone is aware of what is going on.

xo Lisa Butler


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the Neighborhood of Make Believe.  X the Owl turned her out and started working the neighborhood hard with his bottom bitch.

Soon King Friday wanted his cut and started using Henrietta Pussycat's services to pay the debt.

It all went to hell though when Prince Tuesday got the clap from Henrietta Pussycat who got it from King Friday, who got it from his wife Queen Sara, who got it from banging X the Owl on the Trolley while Mr. McFeely got a hummer from the Purple Panda.  

All this while Mr. Rogers was jerking off in the corner wearing a red sweater and tennis shoes and nothing else as Lady Elaine Fairchilde pissed on him while filming the whole thing.

almost none of the people here do anything on the street, and generally won't be visible in public.

You need to define what you mean "ruined" and "by" - if some loon goes shooting people in Virginia when they realize people are actually fucking on Los Angeles, is that neighborhood ruined, and by what?

If Amy Winehouse (or a lookalike) goes strutting down the street, does that ruin the neighborhood?  Or are they gravitating to high crime areas because the cops have already established they don't care what goes on there?

If a junkie is a street whore, is it the dope or the whoring that causes the problem?

And exactly how do you figure you are going to get a reliable handle on this activity?  How much time has to pass before an act is statistically insignificant?

Jast asking....

mrfisher, terrev, and balathazar all have been “displaced” because the girls all said they talk to much and they can’t pry the keyboards from their hands. None of them will see BizzaroSuperdude anymore because he’s always way too analytical. And Smelly Smegma can’t get a date anymore because. . . well . . . . you know.
And as for myself, I’ve been having trouble lately with. . . . Oh wait. I guess those weren’t the kinds of  “displacement” examples you were looking for.
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You poor paranoid children...  This is not anything confidential I'm after.  This is stuff very likely reported in the local paper with all kinds of quotes from LE about how they've driven drugs and hookers out of a neighborhood or how someone has revitalized a neighborhood.  Then 3 pages or 3 days later is an article about how some other neighborhood is suddenly seeing an increase in drugs and prostitution.  It could also be your memory of this happening 30 or 50 years ago.  One that we're studying in great detail is how the Levee in Chicago was shut down in 1911 and we're tracing it neighborhood by neighborhood and decade by decade to what we have today in places like Pullman, Roseland, and Washington Park (the upshot being that Chicago would have been much better off leaving the Levee as it was.)

As to the stats these come from a variety of sources including reviewed studies by Pew, Janus, Hart, Edlund&Korn, Venkatesh, Dubner, and about 60 others as well as a number of journalistic articles.  We also did a study with Sex Workers Outreach Project (SWOP) a few years ago on independent workers that included a lot of data gathered in a survey from this very forum.

Any help anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated.

But those on this board are tuned in to the whole scene in their cities (and perhaps others) and many got their start somewhere other than independents on TER and have valuable knowledge about the history of the hobby.

Who's paranoid?

Shit, with today's gas prices I wish all my ATF's lived in my neighborhood.  Seriously, my two main ATF's both work out of their homes.  One is a small, but nice house in a nice neighborhood.  Some of her neighbors have an idea of what she does, but it's not presented any problems (and I've been seeing her for 5 years, so I can confirm that).  The other is a nice apartment in a nice apartment complex.  She's kept her "secret" as far as I know from her neighbors.  Both of these ladies live about 30 minutes from me (which really isn't that bad), but I wish they lived closer to me.

Today's professional escorts don't fall into the same category as SW's or on-the-corner drug dealers, you know!

You will have to forgive the cynical comments you are receiving. This industry has been slammed more times than a WWF wrestler and we are very protective of anyone trying to add to the slamming. You may very well be quite legit, however no-one here knows that. Any time anyone has spoken to any source, the upshot has nearly always been negative. You never see any TV slot or talk show showing the success stories. You only get sensationalistic "save the whore" diatribe or worse, the images of drug addicted ladies wandering the streets looking for the next $20 fix.

You have pretty much answered your own question with your sources from the police department. ...of course they relocate, just like pedophiles and any other group does when found out. And unless the participants live in an area that is severely urban decayed, they would not see what you are describing. You can't shell out 200 to 300 dollars a pop and live like that. This, in my opinion is the wrong venue. Go to the areas affected and knock on the doors of the residents and ask them how it has impacted them as individuals and as a community. After all they live there.

I gotta agree with "Dick".  
Providers must be discrete, if not totally UTR.  I've been seeing on who works from a small house in a neighborhood.  Who knows if it's their computer she's fixing?  
Even those who work from hotels must be discrete as no hotel managment is going to withstand the soccer moms who-won't-put-out but picket out front...  or go to the town hall.  (And I'm in Rhode Island where what happens behind closed doors, stays behind closed doors.)
The crack downs will hurt strip joints, MPs, street workers...  but discrete hobbying will go on everywhere.

increase in strip clubs and the like along route 1 north of Boston as the old Combat Zone in Boston's theater district was "cleaned up".

However, strip clubs do not a "hobby" neighborhood make.

I am not sure what the stats are, but in most cases, escorts who work out of apartments take care not to annoy their neighbors and therefore can not me seen as a ruination of their neighborhoods.

Those who do bother their neighbors won't be there very long anyways.

when you pull yourself out of your contrived environment of academia and into the real world once you stop living off of someone else's dime, you will begin to garner an appreciation of life being lived rather than studied.

Not really.  Psych

I used the face and the intro to get your attention.  I don't think you're serious, and I believe that you are a troll on the board.  The "poor paranoid children" thing was a dead give away because any "researcher" with a pulse knows not to antagonize the subject pool.  You should know that you are being identified for what you are, and, hopefully, as people read through this thread, you will stop getting the visceral reactions that feed your pathetic need for attention.

I usually refrain from feeding the monkeys like you, but felt the need to shine a little light on your psychosis.





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part of our community, yet others have this need to regurgitate to "them". Oh, well.    

I love to ruin neighborhoods. I just move in, park my car on the front lawn, put a beat-up couch on my front porch, blast my music with the Base on 10, leave cigarette buds all over my neighbors lawns and let my cat poop there, too.  I found that the neighbors also didn't like it when I decided to make my own whiskey in my back yard, allow my dog to bark at 2 a.m., have my friends park in front of my neighbor's driveways blocking their garage entrances, and last but not least (my favorite): become part of the "Neighborhood Watch."

Hugs,
Ciara