...fucking envelopes won't protect you from LE and just because the money is "invisible" inside an envelope doesn't mean he isn't paying to have sex or that you aren't getting paid to have sex. Out of sight is NOT out of mind. An envelope isn't any more discreet that placing the donation on the dresser or in the bathroom. And there's a much less likely chance that you'll receive a bunch of one dollar bills or counterfeit bills.
I always considered the envelope to be a matter of discretion. When I meet an SB for a dinner date, I always put the cash in an envelope--you don't want to be seen handing over a wad of cash to a young woman at an upscale restaurant. I once had an SB take the money out of the envelope and count it at the table. She was a vulgar little tart. Our waitress came to take our order while Miss SB was counting out the cash. "I'll come back in a minute," our waitress said. OMG. That was a one & done dinner date. I ignored Miss SB's texts after that date.
For a first meeting with anyone in P4P, I'd highly recommend the envelope. Don't be vulgar and wave a bunch of cash around. Once you have a regular hookup with SB/ATF, then you don't need an envelope. The tricky part would be providers you see on an ad-hoc basis. Some providers like the envelope just as a courtesy. It seems rather trivial to make a big issue out of it. --z
Oh goodness, i just remembered when the new 50-dollar-bill came out..... the first time I saw them, they were from a client.
I'm blushing right now in remembered embarrassment lol.
OK, back on topic (sort of)..... I like to give the donation a quick check at the beginning of the date, while my new friend is in the restroom. Some here have said that ladies who do this are paranoid, but you know what?
I'd rather be paranoid than ripped off. And I have been ripped off in the past.
If the bills were obviously fake, then I could do something about it. But if they were good enough to fool me at a glance, then the envelope makes no difference at all.
BTW, my preference for an envelope has nothing to do with LE. Actually, until someone posted about this last year, I had no idea that the envelope request had anything to do with assumptions/beliefs about that. :shrug:
when meeting in private I simply drop the cash on the dresser or nightstand as I am getting undressed. It's right there in plain site and a few hundred dollar bills can be counted from halfway across the room with out ever having to make a big deal out of it.
Now as far as meeting SB's in public, I don't have anywhere near the experience that you have in the sugar bowl, but personally I don't pay for "public meetings" at all, much less in advance before even having ordered appetizers. Is this really common to agree to pay for a simple non BCD get together?
Now as far as meeting SB's in public, I don't have anywhere near the experience that you have in the sugar bowl, but personally I don't pay for "public meetings" at all, much less in advance before even having ordered appetizers. Is this really common to agree to pay for a simple non BCD get together?
I do offer $100 for a dinner date, but I'm quite selective in who I contact. When screening SB profiles, my age filter is limited to girls 18-24 years old. Many of those girls ask for 'Substantial/High' allowances in the $10,000/month range. They'll often settle for much less, like my $400 wk/$1600 month allowance. Top-tier SBs will often fuck for that allowance, while still looking for that elusive millionaire, lol. But you need to get the goddess to the table, so I offer the $100 dinner date.
I can't post my photos on the sugar website--that would be personal/professional suicide. So that's a problem. But a top-tier SB will often take the bait of a $100 dinner date, no strings. When she contacts me, I text her my photos. If you look like George Clooney & can post your photos on the site, then you won't need to offer a $100 dinner date. I just post info about what works for me in the sugarbowl. You may be quite successful with a totally different approach. regards, --z
I'm nothing special to look at and I don't ever pay until AFTER going BCD. I think some of those girls are professional daters. They can get 300 a week extra and free meals for doing that 3 times a week. I don't bother with the 10K a month ones. My allowance is about what you offer. I kind of base it on the girl's needs.
...fucking envelopes won't protect you from LE and just because the money is "invisible" inside an envelope doesn't mean he isn't paying to have sex or that you aren't getting paid to have sex. Out of sight is NOT out of mind. An envelope isn't any more discreet that placing the donation on the dresser or in the bathroom. And there's a much less likely chance that you'll receive a bunch of one dollar bills or counterfeit bills.
often include a Thank You or Blank card. My preference, my choice. A small gesture, but one I enjoy. Plus, she can reuse the card.
I'm a big believer in re-using and re-purposing; when the card is blank and still in good condition, I do reuse it!!! I particularly enjoy giving cards from clients to prudish, ultra-sexually-conservative people. It's my own little private joke and really makes me smile.
Yeah, I'm that petty.
I keep a lot of envelopes too and either re-use them as envelopes or re-purpose them to make into mini gift bags or other crafty things.
and stop him so I could take the white envelope that was on the front passenger seat of my car with $$$$ for the date. Awkward situation. I wish I could just keep it in my wallet, I'm not used to carrying around envelopes in my routine, everyday activities.
Do a message search on the subject and you will find discussions going back a decade on this subject, back then you wouldn't believe how irate people would get at the very suggestion of not complying with a hookers demand to use an envelope, I doubt if 5% of the posters here agreed with me back then that the envelope was not only unnecessary but actually counterproductive for many reasons, and the manginas and BSC hookers routinely tried to shout me down when I argued for a bit of common sense on the subject.
It's not a battle I fight in person, only on the boards. In person I NEVER use and envelope and no hooker has ever given me grief for it. If any woman ever complains about me not using an envelope I would simply pick up my cash and walk back out the door and that would be the end of that. Fortunately it's never happened to me and I doubt it ever will.
If the lady specifically asks/instructs you to have it in an envelope, and you deliberately don't do so simply because you object to the envelope, then that is a bit disrespectful, in my opinion.
I prefer for my clients to use an envelope, set it down in plain sight, then excuse themselves to the restroom. I used to not state any preferences regarding the handling of the donation, and wound up with some bizarre routines from clients who just didn't know any better. (Or they were following another provider's donation instructions, IDK.) Nowadays it's right there on my site, and I'm going to start including that in my confirmation details too. So if that's objectionable to someone, he should just bail right then and there. :-P
Yeah, I've been around forever so I should be totally blase' about all this crap. But I'm not. I'm human and like all other human beings, I have my quirks.
I agree with you on this whole envelope thing. But it's to each his own and if a young lady strongly requires the gift in a envelope and this is against your beliefs then skip the chick. But really, would something like that really push your buttons to leave or not make an appointment? Me personally, I do the envelope thing and it works for me, plus I like to add a little surprise in there, hence the envelope.
that you make your way to Boston this spring, but I can guarantee you'll find an envelope on your night stand while I'm in the shower polishing the boys .... Feel free to specify the color and size ... how thick it is will depend on other criteria xo
A colored envolupe like a birthday or holiday card is better if out in public or a gift bag. If in private, I use a paper clip to keep it together after I've verified the amount.
I started my hobby (or mongering) using an envelope because I read in here that this was the process. Not sure I knew then that it wouldn't protect me from LE, perhaps for my own security I wished that it would.
But since, I have of course been informed and realized that it doesn't. This hasn't changed my approach, I've developed a checks and balance process, in which I count the bills when I place them into the envelope, recount prior to leaving home or my hotel room or prior to placing it in the bathroom of mine. I pat myself down prior to walking out the door and when I get out of my car. After our initial greeting, I drop the envelope and I don't think about it anymore.
This process has worked perfectly for me to this point, I've never once been light, and so I'll continue this process regardless of whether you think it's ridiculous or silly
don't want to get in a flame war with BP, but this guy just doesn't give a fuck. He once posted (on another thread) that he often wears sweatpants to a session. The "counterfeit money" concern is just a rare red herring. Let's be clear: this guy doesn't give a flying fuck about what a provider thinks of him. He'll walk into provider's incall in a sweatsuit & sneakers, and throw a wad of cash on the bed. So what if she prefers an envelope? Nah. He knows what's best for her.
In P4P, does style & discretion matter? It matters to me, and it should matter to you. And if you're seeing a high-end provider or a top-tier SB, it definitely matters to her. My brothers, try to look your absolute best whenever you meet a beautiful woman. It doesn't matter if she's a provider, SB, or Sunday School teacher. Workout and try to stay in shape. Dress well & act like a gentleman. If your provider prefers an envelope, then put the cash in an envelope. A beautiful provider/SB has a lot of options. You're just one option. --z
Are you really too cheap to go to Dollar General and spend a couple of dollars for 50 envelopes? Of all of the things we should be concerned about in this hobby, whether to use envelope is the least of my concerns. Like Jay Z, I got 99 problems and a fucking envelope is not one. You sound like a knit-picking, little punk who spends the whole session whining and complaining.
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